South Africa boasts of several freedom fighters and human rights legends such as Nelson Mandela, Thabo Mbeki, amongst others. Years ago, these legends fought for the freedom and rights of the South African black man and even when they were severely prosecuted, they fought on till they achieved freedom for South Africans.

Fast forward to the present, South African blacks have dragged themselves back to the post-freedom era. Racist comments are hurled at them, on a daily basis, by whites without any legal reaction taken by the blacks. This happens on their own land, South Africa. It is very shameful to remember that this was the land that was liberated for them.
The most shameful, and annoying, part is that when these blacks see a fellow black, from neighboring African countries, toiling and making it, they grow angry and pick up weapons to kill and maim such person. The South African blacks have gone so lazy to work and yet they want to eat.

Anyway, as President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe said, "South Africans would knock down the statue of a dead white man but won't attempt to slap a live one. Yet they can stone to death a black man because he is a foreigner".

So much for a country of freedom and human rights legends.

ok

They cn lick their white men's ass

StefanSalvatore:
They cn lick their white men's ass

Exactly

Too bad!

South Africa is for both black and white...deal with it

247NewsUpdateNG:
South Africa boasts of several freedom fighters and human rights legends such as Nelson Mandela, Thabo Mbeki, amongst others. Years ago, these legends fought for the freedom and rights of the South African black man and even when they were severely prosecuted, they fought on till they achieved freedom for South Africans.

Fast forward to the present, South African blacks have dragged themselves back to the post-freedom era. Racist comments are hurled at them, on a daily basis, by whites without any legal reaction taken by the blacks. This happens on their own land, South Africa. It is very shameful to remember that this was the land that was liberated for them.
The most shameful, and annoying, part is that when these blacks see a fellow black, from neighboring African countries, toiling and making it, they grow angry and pick up weapons to kill and maim such person. The South African blacks have gone so lazy to work and yet they want to eat.

Anyway, as President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe said, "South Africans would knock down the statue of a dead white man but won't attempt to slap a live one. Yet they can stone to death a black man because he is a foreigner".

So much for a country of freedom and human rights legends.

I think Mandela let them down with the rainbow nation nonsense. That is why the white nations adored him.

When God gives your enemy over to you, you do not smile with them. You get your payback. He should have made an attempt at restitution of his brothers. At least give them back their stolen lands, even if he would let them continue stealing away the minerals.

MduZA:
South Africa is for both black and white...deal with it

Then why do the whites seem to have more of South Africa than the Africans?

muafrika:

Then why do the whites seem to have more of South Africa than the Africans?

Blacks are in majority,you will hardly see a white person in Johannesburg...you will only meet a black person in every corner,rich and poor...by the way can you explain what do you mean by whites having more of SA..

MduZA:


Blacks are in majority,you will hardly see a white person in Johannesburg...you will only meet a black person in every corner,rich and poor...by the way can you explain what do you mean by whites having more of SA..

They own most of the land, control Agricultural production, industries while leaving most Africans to menial underpaid and hard labour. You know where the money is is where the power is.

I remember Zuma and his war song as he ran for elections first time round. What happened? He was given a few shares here and there and now presides over a police force that opens fire on striking miners and presides over continued economic oppression that has been South Africa since the Dutch discovered it. That's how South African whites own South Africa. The blacks are nothing more than squatters in their ancestral land.

muafrika:

I think Mandela let them down with the rainbow nation nonsense. That is why the white nations adored him.

When God gives your enemy over to you, you do not smile with them. You get your payback. He should have made an attempt at restitution of his brothers. At least give them back their stolen lands, even if he would let them continue stealing away the minerals.

Mandela did not let anyone down....he implemented ANC policies,black south Africans don't dream of emigrating to African countries because their stolen land is producing enough food...its suprising to see those who own lands in their countries flocking to south Africa like flies ,leaving their lands behind and live in a stolen land...

muafrika:

They own most of the land, control Agricultural production, industries while leaving most Africans to menial underpaid and hard labour. You know where the money is is where the power is.

I remember Zuma and his war song as he ran for elections first time round. What happened? He was given a few shares here and there and now presides over a police force that opens fire on striking miners and presides over continued economic oppression that has been South Africa since the Dutch discovered it. That's how South African whites own South Africa. The blacks are nothing more than squatters in their ancestral land.

Don't you have people doing menial jobs in your country?every person works in the office I guess...black south Africans own mines and farms today,Nigerians don't want to see that that's why you are all typing rubbish on this forum...apartheid legacy cannot be corrected in a single day...Europeans are building eko antlatic on the land supposed to be owned by people living in mokoko...if the 100 % black nation cares for each other don't you think that that land was supposed to be given to those homeless Nigerians roaming your streets?

MduZA:


Don't you have people doing menial jobs in your country?every person works in the office I guess...black south Africans own mines and farms today,Nigerians don't want to see that that's why you are all typing rubbish on this forum...apartheid legacy cannot be corrected in a single day...Europeans are building eko antlatic on the land supposed to be owned by people living in mokoko...if the 100 % black nation cares for each other don't you think that that land was supposed to be given to those homeless Nigerians roaming your streets?

MduZA:

Mandela did not let anyone down....he implemented ANC policies,black south Africans don't dream of emigrating to African countries because their stolen land is producing enough food...its suprising to see those who own lands in their countries flocking to south Africa like flies ,leaving their lands behind and live in a stolen land...

My point is, blacks in SA need to take by their power. If the country has to burn to Ashes for it to happen then it's what exactly needs to happen. I thought you guys were just sleeping on your job till I saw this whining European article..... you are on the right track after all..

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/12/beyond-the-rainbow/

"... Since whites are now only 9 per cent of the population (down from 11 per cent when Mandela came to power in 1994), whites should not consist of more than 9 per cent of engineers, managers, doctors and maths teachers. Black Economic Empowerment, which is simply legalised corruption, states that all companies wishing to do business with the government must hand over a proportion of their ownership to black people. Naturally the black people in question are always connected to the ANC: relatives and chums.

These policies have been ruinous, especially for poor black people. Qualified, experienced white managers and engineers have been replaced by unqualified, inexperienced black ones in government service. (This is also known as ‘cadre deployment’.) In a municipality serving a poor black community, the unqualified black cadre in charge of water and sanitation is often out of his depth and poor black people die of cholera. If you question this policy, there is an automatic response: ‘You think blacks are incompetent!’ That shuts down the argument. Black babies have died in state hospitals thanks entirely to the incompetence of black affirmative action hospital managers. Anyone who points this out was decried as a racist..."

Keep taking back your power.

muafrika:




My point is, blacks in SA need to take by their power. If the country has to burn to Ashes for it to happen then it's what exactly needs to happen. I thought you guys were just sleeping on your job till I saw this whining European article..... you are on the right track after all..

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/12/beyond-the-rainbow/

"... Since whites are now only 9 per cent of the population (down from 11 per cent when Mandela came to power in 1994), whites should not consist of more than 9 per cent of engineers, managers, doctors and maths teachers. Black Economic Empowerment, which is simply legalised corruption, states that all companies wishing to do business with the government must hand over a proportion of their ownership to black people. Naturally the black people in question are always connected to the ANC: relatives and chums.

These policies have been ruinous, especially for poor black people. Qualified, experienced white managers and engineers have been replaced by unqualified, inexperienced black ones in government service. (This is also known as ‘cadre deployment’.) In a municipality serving a poor black community, the unqualified black cadre in charge of water and sanitation is often out of his depth and poor black people die of cholera. If you question this policy, there is an automatic response: ‘You think blacks are incompetent!’ That shuts down the argument. Black babies have died in state hospitals thanks entirely to the incompetence of black affirmative action hospital managers. Anyone who points this out was decried as a racist..."

Keep taking back your power.

You said whites control everything in SA...therefore why are you criticizing BEE which is meant to uplift Black people...we know that a lot of your friends in UK are disappointed to see a black government correctly running a well established country like south Africa which was incorrectly ran by the whites for many years,as a black person am proud to inform you that south Africa is much better than it was during the apartheid...where do your white engineers,managers and doctors work?are they invisible because we don't see them..don't mix politicians and professionals,they are two different things serving different purposes....South Africa is for both black and white,nobody will ever change that...

MduZA:


You said whites control everything in SA...therefore why are you criticizing BEE which is meant to uplift Black people...we know that a lot of your friends in UK are disappointed to see a black government correctly running a well established country like south Africa which was incorrectly ran by the whites for many years,as a black person am proud to inform you that south Africa is much better than it was during the apartheid...where do your white engineers,managers and doctors work?are they invisible because we don't see them..don't mix politicians and professionals,they are two different things serving different purposeso . . . South Africa is for both black and white,nobody will ever change that...

I'll ignore most your post and deal with the phrase in bold.

For the record unlike the South African Rainbow nation mistake that you have to now pay for, our first president was smart when the ex-colonialists asked him what he'd do with the white settlers. This is the answer he gave

"Those who consider themselves Kenyan are welcome to stay.."

Meaning, you have to submit to the new government, and your separate developement (yes apartheid was not unique to South Africa,) ceases to exist. Most left after that day. The new government then bought back the land stolen by whites from the British govt and organised Kenyan into land buying companies and set the rest of it aside for Agricultural schemes, settling locals to farm it.

When we took over in 1963, all our professionals were white. Any post with the word head or manager was white. Now, they have been successfully replaced. We do not consider them anything more than tourists who have a rightful home in Britain.

The delusional ideal of racial harmony is being used to keep you subdued. Even God deals with tribes as a unit of organisation. The SA Portuguese have their own land and destiny. In Europe.

Abeg I won learn

muafrika:


I'll ignore most your post and deal with the phrase in bold.

For the record unlike the South African Rainbow nation mistake that you have to now pay for, our first president was smart when the ex-colonialists asked him what he'd do with the white settlers. This is the answer he gave

"Those who consider themselves Kenyan are welcome to stay.."

Meaning, you have to submit to the new government, and your separate developement (yes apartheid was not unique to South Africa,) ceases to exist. Most left after that day. The new government then bought back the land stolen by whites from the British govt and organised Kenyan into land buying companies and set the rest of it aside for Agricultural schemes, settling locals to farm it.

When we took over in 1963, all our professionals were white. Any post with the word head or manager was white. Now, they have been successfully replaced. We do not consider them anything more than tourists who have a rightful home in Britain.

The delusional ideal of racial harmony is being used to keep you subdued. Even God deals with tribes as a unit of organisation. The SA Portuguese have their own land and destiny. In Europe.

fortunately Kenya was willingly handed to you
....not the case with SA...blacks had to fight all forms of resistance...I have never heard of white Kenyans..before you even dream of chasing white people from SA...go and claim back the likes of Barack Obama in america

MduZA:



fortunately Kenya was willingly handed to you
....not the case with SA...blacks had to fight all forms of resistance...I have never heard of white Kenyans..before you even dream of chasing white people from SA...go and claim back the likes of Barack Obama in america

First of all the South African resistance was underwhelming.

Most Kenyan tribes violently revolted. The Kalenjin engaged the British in serious warfare for over 10 years under the leadership of Koitalel Arap Samoei. The British took off his head to Britain when they finally killed him after tricking him into a truce.

It is the longest resistance the British ever faced outside Europe. It took place in present-day Kenya between 1890 and 1906. It involved members of the Kalenjin ethnic group, mainly from the Nandi.

The Man Mau, a Kikuyu resistance was similarly devastating, gathering a lot of international press. Mau Mau fighters bound themselves with an oath and unleashed terror on the colonial government and settlers (and collaborators) leading to a declaration of a state of emergency in 1952 and forcing the British Crown to engage the Africans in political negotiations.

Other people formed political unions and trade unions which were used as vehicles of resistance. Meanwhile, the ANC in South Africa was busy preaching peace and ensuring the colonialists were comfortable while blowing up white transformers. You stayed with those people for over 500 years. Till 1994¡¡ You are just too soft for Africans. Even Tanzanian's resisted in war. It needs to stop.

muafrika:

First of all the South African resistance was underwhelming.

Most Kenyan tribes violently revolted. The Kalenjin engaged the British in serious warfare for over 10 years under the leadership of Koitalel Arap Samoei. The British took off his head to Britain when they finally killed him after tricking him into a truce.

It is the longest resistance the British ever faced outside Europe. It took place in present-day Kenya between 1890 and 1906. It involved members of the Kalenjin ethnic group, mainly from the Nandi.

The Man Mau, a Kikuyu resistance was similarly devastating, gathering a lot of international press. Mau Mau fighters bound themselves with an oath and unleashed terror on the colonial government and settlers (and collaborators) leading to a declaration of a state of emergency in 1952 and forcing the British Crown to engage the Africans in political negotiations.

Other people formed political unions and trade unions which were used as vehicles of resistance. Meanwhile, the ANC in South Africa was busy preaching peace and ensuring the colonialists were comfortable while blowing up white transformers. You stayed with those people for over 500 years. Till 1994¡¡ You are just too soft for Africans. Even Tanzanian's resisted in war. It needs to stop.

When the British were fighting the MauMau, they dropped 6Million Bombs into MauMau hideouts, the British are even said to have used the Lancaster Bombers (the same one they used in world war 2).... Keep in mind that they were fighting Africans who din't have even the ability to manufacture any modern weapons.... And then someone comes and says The British willingly handed Kenya to us... That is so ignorant and insulting... tell him FYI - The red color and the shield in our flag symbolizes the blood we shed in defense of our country to get our independence!

muafrika:

First of all the South African resistance was underwhelming.

Most Kenyan tribes violently revolted. The Kalenjin engaged the British in serious warfare for over 10 years under the leadership of Koitalel Arap Samoei. The British took off his head to Britain when they finally killed him after tricking him into a truce.

It is the longest resistance the British ever faced outside Europe. It took place in present-day Kenya between 1890 and 1906. It involved members of the Kalenjin ethnic group, mainly from the Nandi.

The Man Mau, a Kikuyu resistance was similarly devastating, gathering a lot of international press. Mau Mau fighters bound themselves with an oath and unleashed terror on the colonial government and settlers (and collaborators) leading to a declaration of a state of emergency in 1952 and forcing the British Crown to engage the Africans in political negotiations.

Other people formed political unions and trade unions which were used as vehicles of resistance. Meanwhile, the ANC in South Africa was busy preaching peace and ensuring the colonialists were comfortable while blowing up white transformers. You stayed with those people for over 500 years. Till 1994¡¡ You are just too soft for Africans. Even Tanzanian's resisted in war. It needs to stop.

Don't pretend like if you don't know the history of shaka Zulu...unless you don't know anything except the information fed by your UK masters..fact remains,white people voluntarily handed Kenya to you..
We defeated the white resistance to claim back our country...I notice that you are making mockery of SA a rainbow nation...it is not our fault that no white person has ever claim to be Kenyan...they don't want to be Kenyans for a good reason I guess....leave us alone with our white people..nobody forced them to be south Africans,they are proud to be be part and parcel of this rainbow nation...

denisfidha:


When the British were fighting the MauMau, they dropped 6Million Bombs into MauMau hideouts, the British are even said to have used the Lancaster Bombers (the same one they used in world war 2).... Keep in mind that they were fighting Africans who din't have even the ability to manufacture any modern weapons.... And then someone comes and says The British willingly handed Kenya to us... That is so ignorant and insulting... tell him FYI - The red color and the shield in our flag symbolizes the blood we shed in defense of our country to get our independence!

Exactly. We are still recovering some of those unexploded bombs on a daily basis.

Speaking of flags,

They(SA) even included their colonial masters flag on the new independence flag. And anthem¡

The Mau Mau inspired other African countries to fight.

MduZA:


Don't pretend like if you don't know the history of shaka Zulu...unless you don't know anything except the information fed by your UK masters..fact remains,white people voluntarily handed Kenya to you..
We defeated the white resistance to claim back our country...I notice that you are making mockery of SA a rainbow nation...it is not our fault that no white person has ever claim to be a Kenyan...they don't want to be Kenyans for a good reason I guess....leave us alone with our white people..nobody forced them to be south Africans,they are proud to be south Africans...

And the resistance died with Shaka. Just when the European powers had convened and divided Africa into protectorates. You are a let down to his memory.

Nobody forced them to be South Africans. They forced themselves on you, for the sake of your resources, and it's a burden you have to shake off if you dream of any reasonable future for the South African Africans.

muafrika:

And the resistance died with Shaka. Just when the European powers had convened and divided Africa into protectorates. You are a let down to his memory.

Nobody forced them to be South Africans. They forced themselves on you, for the sake of your resources, and it's a burden you have to shake off if you dream of any reasonable future for the South African Africans.

Yeah shaka died in 1994 after taking back his country ...surely the future of Kenyans look bright due to the fact that south African universities are sharpening many young Kenyan minds...thanx to the black government of SA...we know that many of you wish to see black south Africans suffering,even if it happens...you will never see us roaming your streets...

MduZA:


Yeah shaka died in 1994 after taking back his country ...surely the future of Kenyans look bright due to the fact that south African universities are sharpening many young Kenyan minds...thanx to the black government of SA...we know that many of you wish to see black south Africans suffering,even if it happens...you will never see us roaming your streets...

First of all I want authentic South AFRICANS my bantu distant relatives to prosper. And most importantly, to live free. If anyone is preaching what you just said to you down there, they have an ill motive.

You had a chance in 1994. We waited on baited breath to hear you taking control of your destinies. Just to hear the rainbow nation fallacy. That can only happen in South Africa. If the tables turned right now, and your colonial masters get a chance to rule over you again, you would be back to your pre-94 status. You are dragging our bloodline down with your softness.

Am afraid Shaka died longer before that. Even metaphorically he did.

MduZA:


Yeah shaka died in 1994 after taking back his country ...surely the future of Kenyans look bright due to the fact that south African universities are sharpening many young Kenyan minds...thanx to the black government of SA...we know that many of you wish to see black south Africans suffering,even if it happens...you will never see us roaming your streets...

The black government only serves as the face of independence in South Africa.
Underneath, the dictates of the white man is still what governs the country.

247NewsUpdateNG:


The black government only serves as the face of independence in South Africa.
Underneath, the dictates of the white man is still what governs the country.

White people are sitting on the opposition bences in the south African Parliament..opposing everything the black man is implementing...that in itself tells you that the black man is in charge..South Africa is governed by anc policies...that's why many of your country men are here...

muafrika:

First of all I want authentic South AFRICANS my bantu distant relatives to prosper. And most importantly, to live free. If anyone is preaching what you just said to you down there, they have an ill motive.

You had a chance in 1994. We waited on baited breath to hear you taking control of your destinies. Just to hear the rainbow nation fallacy. That can only happen in South Africa. If the tables turned right now, and your colonial masters get a chance to rule over you again, you would be back to your pre-94 status. You are dragging our bloodline down with your softness.

Am afraid Shaka died longer before that. Even metaphorically he did.

So your expectation was to see every black south African rich after 1994? No wonder why you are so concerned about our situation because we are not flocking to any country the way many of you do...an avarage black south African lives 100x much better life than an avarage Kenyan...the fact that many African people flock to SA for better life clearly tells that we live in a much better country...we are sharing our limited resources with millions of your brothers roaming our street ,may I also tell you that not every white person is rich in SA..there are white people who wake up every morning and go as far as begging on the street...you will never talk about this because you only focus on criticizing black south africans as if we owe you...

MduZA:


So your expectation was to see every black south African rich after 1994? No wonder why you are so concerned about our situation because we are not flocking to any country the way many of you do...an avarage black south African lives 100x much better life than an avarage Kenyan...the fact that many African people flock to SA for better life clearly tells that we live in a much better country...we are sharing our limited resources with millions of your brothers roaming our street ,may I also tell you that not every white person is rich in SA..there are white people who wake up every morning and go as far as begging on the street...you will never talk about this because you only focus on criticizing black south africans as if we owe you...

100X? Most South Africans are employed as menial labourers in mines, etc. We don't have mines here. That should begin to tell you how our lives differ.

Your ability to see the negative in all the positive things I've posted here about South African Black's should be studied.

How many Kenyans have you met in SA?

You have been picking on and burning poor refugees who have no countries. And by the way, how does a foreigner running their business have to do with you. Start your own shops. If you believe it's what your people should be doing. Burning that small shop and looting will not change your life. The strangers will leave and that place will remain the way he found it.

Learn how to do business from those refugees, and start your own. We host more refugees in Kenya than any other Country in the world. And we let them own their businesses. Because we know it does not affect our ability to have our own businesses.

If you owed us a thing, we'd not expect you to pay.

muafrika:

100X? Most South Africans are employed as menial labourers in mines, etc. We don't have mines here. That should begin to tell you how our lives differ.

Your ability to see the negative in all the positive things I've posted here about South African Black's should be studied.

How many Kenyans have you met in SA?

You have been picking on and burning poor refugees who have no countries. And by the way, how does a foreigner running their business have to do with you. Start your own shops. If you believe it's what your people should be doing. Burning that small shop and looting will not change your life. The strangers will leave and that place will remain the way he found it.

Learn how to do business from those refugees, and start your own. We host more refugees in Kenya than any other Country in the world. And we let them own their businesses. Because we know it does not affect our ability to have our own businesses.

If you owed us a thing, we'd not expect you to pay.

Who do you want to see working in south African mines if not south African themselves?ghosts?..a miner working in south Africa gets an income many Kenyan professionals can only dream of...if you think every black south african is a miner surely you are living in the world of fantasies,south africa has diverse industries to an extent some spread their wings to other countries including your country Kenya...i have seen many Kenyans in south africa ,last year thousands and thousands of Kenyans living in SA held a protest in Joburg about fatal incident which occurred in one of your universities...if all black south Africans were xenophobic...no Kenyan would be here..my point is leave us alone with our white people...we are doing fine with them

MduZA:


Who do you want to see working in south African mines if not south African themselves?ghosts?..a miner working in south Africa gets an income many Kenyan professionals can only dream of...if you think every black south african is a miner surely you are living in the world of fantasies,south africa has diverse industries to an extent some spread their wings to other countries including your country Kenya...i have seen many Kenyans in south africa ,last year thousands and thousands of Kenyans living in SA held a protest in Joburg about fatal incident which occurred in one of your universities...if all black south Africans were xenophobic...no Kenyan would be here..my point is leave us alone with our white people...we are doing fine with them

They are lucky to have you.

Am preaching to a hardlined beleiver here.

muafrika:


They are lucky to have you.

Am preaching to a hardlined beleiver here.

Ok we going to chase them away and invite all of you here ....

MduZA:


Ok we going to chase them away and invite all of you here ....

We do not sit and dream of migrating to SA. There are countries with better opportunities out there.

Nigeria overtook you as the biggest economy. Your unemployment stands at 30%, which is why your unemployed people are turning on foreigners under the misguided belief that they take their opportunities. We shall not talk of the crimes which your white brothers have borne the greater brunt of. For being richer than the blacks.

That is not a place I look forward to going without a private personal security team.

muafrika:


We do not sit and dream of migrating to SA. There are countries with better opportunities out there.

Nigeria overtook you as the biggest economy. Your unemployment stands at 30%, which is why your unemployed people are turning on foreigners under the misguided belief that they take their opportunities. We shall not talk of the crimes which your white brothers have borne the greater brunt of. For being richer than the blacks.

That is not a place I look forward to going without a private personal security team.

Our unemployment rate stands on 24%...you are spewing lies because yours stand on 40%...Google is your friend,my man even if your economy can surpass ours...you will never see us roaming your street...we love our country big time...am glad to hear that there is no crime in Kenya...but some of the shooting incidents your country often witnesses...can make one stop breathing...