cloudgoddess:

The long and short of your epistle is "Why are people suffering".
No it is not. Stop trying to dodge my question. My question is why is god picking favorites. Why arent all of his followers "blessed". By the way, god does promise blessings to his followers so either you're cherrypicking the bible or you're misinformed (i assume its the former).
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you,” says the Lord. “They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope.

Proverbs 1:33
But all who listen to me will live in peace,
untroubled by fear of harm.”

Philippians 4:19
19 And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus.

Just a few among many such verses.

why are some people more blessed than others.
i am falling down dead because i haven't had a morsel of food in many months while pastor joseph just bought a ferrari because his gullible congregants (i mean "god" has blessed him with that luxury. to say pastor is just "more blessed" than me is a huge understatement.

cloudgoddess:


Thanks for running away when you don't have answers, just proved my point more

cloudgoddess:

OF COURSE I WOULD. but YOU would not. because there is already information proving that the biblical stories are false, yet you still cling to them. you are the one determined to believe in something, not me. i came to accept evolution because it MADE SENSE. not because it "felt good" and not because my pastor or parents preached it to me.

cloudgoddess:

It's been over 150 years since darwin's time and not a single inconsistency has been found to disprove evolution. every bit of biological evidence, every species we see today, every bacterial mutation we observe in the lab, CONFIRMS that evolution is a real thing that is happening all the time and that has been happening since life began on earth. If a scientist found evidence that disproved it, he would be a millionaire, and scientists would have NO CHOICE but to change their minds.

cloudgoddess:

This doesn't make any damn sense. How is reading an article or research paper different from listening to a lecture? And are you suggesting that there aren't lectures from the same sources I listed (harvard, cambridge, & princeton professors) teaching evolution? What the hell?

cloudgoddess:

What are you talking about and why are you trying to derail the conversation again?

cloudgoddess:

By "we" I was referring to everyone who does not believe in dieties, everyone who does not subscribe to 2,000 year old myths, everyone who identifies as non-religious.
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cloudgoddess:

No one claimed atheism was science, stop putting words and assumptions in peoples mouths. Atheism is a LACK OF BELIEF IN GODS BASED ON LACK OF SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE. you are atheist to shinto gods aren't you? you are atheist to zeus and the loch ness monster aren't you? why don't you believe in those things? tell me why you aren't praying to shinto gods right now?.

cloudgoddess:

what if i believed a unicorn larger than any unicorn ever imagined created the universe by a flick of its horn? would you respect me more then, since i'd be more "open to beliefs in super intelligent beings"? so unreal that you consider it a positive character trait to believe in things based on faulty/or complete lack of evidence. unreal.

Kay17:


Of what use would my definition have if it doesn't align with yours

winner01:
"God is good to me" is different from "God is good to me but not to others.

Christians fill hospitals, giving hope to the hopeless on death beds, prison yards, motherless homes, remand homes, charitable foundations.

I see how insensitive christians are to others plights
Happy new year.

dalaman:


Two questions. What are earthquakes and hurricanes perfectly designed for? What about the asteroid belt in our solar system and and deadly mutations that causes deformity, what were they perfectly designed for?

What are the scientific findings that have been confirmed by the bible? I've asked you but you keep running away from it? Please tell

winner01:
Lol, unlike most people here, im just starting my Phd.
I dont get facts from google or the internet.
Its what you people do and then you call yourselves scientists overnight.
A guy who hasnt even gained admission to uni. was calling himself a scientist simply because he copies articles from science sites and post them on nairaland science section

You were quick to let me know the possible places i can get facts, just like you usually do. As a matter of fact google will give you anything you seek..
You may try to type " obama is satan" and see what im saying.


kingebukasblog, see what ive been telling you.
Most of these people are internet bred students and dont even have the slightest formal education on science or philosophy

cloudgoddess:

sigh. you are just making up crap. 99% of biologists worldwide have already reached a concensus on evolution. WORLD WIDE. search "evolution

winner01:
Evil manifests because man swore his alleigance to the enemy by eating the forbidden fruit (i.e Believing the devil instead of God).

But our loving God has made a provision to redeem man from this terrible mistake by sending his Son to die for our sins so that through Him we might have life and have it more abundantly.

Can you coherentely and precisely give us an account of the existence of evil.

menesheh:



most christians are good by default. those good deeds done in the name of Christianity comes with a price, do good for the sake of good not for a reward or with the intention to convert one to your ideology.

By the way, tell me any of those good deeds that can be achieve through the said tag name that can't be achieve through secular means.

Kay17:


@winner01

The meaning of evil you intended in this quote is what matters not my postmodernist idea of evil. Your idea of evil seems fixed and stable and not as flexible as mine. To use my flexible definition of evil would counterproductive in this quote.

Do you get me?

KingEbukasBlog:


You spew BS with confidence . Please can you state articles , credible sources from which you got the above statement .

winner01:
It only shows how desperate she is to convince me and make herself feel better.

Maybe She meant 99% of sites she visits.
lol

dalaman:


Two questions. What are earthquakes and hurricanes perfectly designed for? What about the asteroid belt in our solar system and and deadly mutations that causes deformity, what were they perfectly designed for?

KingEbukasBlog:


... walahi na true... even her atheist brother dalaman couldn't call her to order . I guess he was enjoying her show of shallowness

cloudgoddess:

when the hell has that ever occured other than in your dreams

ivyT:
Lets løok at it this way..if u are good/kind to somebody,the person wld return the favor (for good pple nt bad ones)..
So if u dont serve God in spirit and in truth,doing good and pleasing him,u wont be appreciative of who u are and what u have....#INoFitShout cos #MyGodHasBeenGoodToMe despite daily challenges of life.

winner01:
You ask if God does evil, and then i ask you a simple question of what you mean by evil with the guess that you dont believe in biblical terms.

Our world itself does done mean the same to atheist of christians. Atheists believe the world is a random and meaningless coincidence. How on earth do you think i share that same belief.
The same goes for everything else.

Give your defination of evil and then we can analyse together if you make sense or not.

@bolded, exactly what im saying. But please dont use the word flexible, a better word will be "unstable", just like the wind.

Look, You initiated a question, you wanna continue this convo, you got to explain your question clearly.

winner01:
Somehow, someway, you still have failed to realise that what you all do here day and night is to convert people to your ideologies.
The major message we are enjoined to preach is love. And that love encompasses assisting people to prosper, be in good health and ultimately salvation.

@bolded, what is good?
And how can we determine good considering the fact that you're just an higher animal.
Why aren't you referring to "good" as an indoctrination, passed on from ancient men whose level of sanity couldnt be verified .
Is there a universal standard to verify what you mean by good?, or are you living on your own "indoctrination" of good- probably the good of christianity.
Why dont you people ever want to probe the origination of anything else?

Secularity dosent care about humanity, you people for example keep confirming that truth.
Islam kills people everyday, I dont see any of you on islams page trying to prevent them from becoming future terrorists.
The day you raise an organisation in the name of atheism that seeks to tackle poverty, malnutrition, hope to the sick, prison inmates etc and not just an evangelical message of hate towards the christian God. Then maybe ill think about what you're saying. But for now, you all are the selfish, and confident hypocrites.

winner01:
You mean why do we live in a fallen world full of suffering and disaster?

These are already answered questions and i didnt ignore them. I only keep wondering why you keep laying emphasies on mishaps and disasters when the bible explicitly describes earth as fallen.
Mutations, disasters are products of a fallen world and its tiring giving you the same answers over and over again.
Why not school us on why you think life is unfair.

cloudgoddess:

demon-possessed atheists, huh?

tell that to bill gates, b.f. skinner (the father of behavioral psychology), the other hundreds of atheists philosophers, scientists, inventors & innovators, and 50% of the chinese and western european population. yep, we are all possessed.

you are so out of touch with reality. its scary to see how low the human brain can sink. and if you think the bible has no contradictions with science then i know for a fact you have never cracked open a single biology, geology, astronomy, or paleontology textbook in your life.

dalaman:


Living in a fallen world you say. These are just simple explanations the founders of your religion sought out to complex events, phenomena and occurrence they say happening around them, things they know nothing about. It's much easier to state that small pox or leprosy are punishments from the Gods with their limited knowledge and create stories round them, than to know that they are caused by microscopic living cells that are feeding on their own body cells and affecting them negatively which results in diseases such as small pox and leprosy, things they could not see and didn't even know existed.

If you know anything about how the continents formed and how the operate you will know that earthquakes have nothing to do with any fallen world, there have been earth quakes and volcanoes long before humans existed, in fact they are what shaped our continents and landscape as a whole. With or without humans there will be mindless micro organisms doing their things, feeding off each other and struggling to survive. Storms will always form with out without humans, land will erode, asteroid will strike, all natural disasters will continue with or without humans. An asteroid can fall into the earth and end all human life, but earthquakes will still continue to occur over time.

Evil mostly comes as a result of the struggle and competition to survive. There is natural evil and human evil. Even the human evil depends on many factors. You just acknowledge that life is unfair, that alone shows that there is no central God figure controlling anything anywhere as you guys try to proclaim.

menesheh:


How many times will i tell that you have a fundamentalist idea of secularism and disbelief (atheism).

Even in your holy book, there is no difference between morals before the advent of the purported law giver, to the living standards and morals of the people afterwards. laying emphasis from the bible; lethal harms to human deteriorates via those laws assumed issued by a deity that commanded the killing of fellow human outside of their immediate altruistic enclave, killing of gay, killing of witches and a bunch of other horrid laws.

Secularism (atheism) bleeds compliance to objective laws, empathy, taking responsibility for errors and crime, name them.
we have breathing Examples of secular countries and religious ones, compare and contrast how they fare on morality. Of which you are aware secularism achieved greater compliance to objective laws, even the objective laws in your bible than its religious counterparts.

KingEbukasBlog:



This article refutes every letter of every word of every sentence you've written -->

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/natural_evil_theodicity.html

Its good to dig out old articles one has come across in cases like this

dalaman:


God and science apologetics? What the hell is that? I don't have time reading christian apologetics nonsense anymore. They are known to be bias and also known to tell.lies for Jesus. It's like a Muslim referring me to a Muslim apologist website and expect me to take anything written there seriously. I don't do that anymore. Just state how the writing there refutes the fact that earthquakes and volcanos have been occurring long before humans existed using scientific explanations.

KingEbukasBlog:


I wonder why people mistake secularism and irreligiosity for atheism . . Being irreligious or a secularist does not make you an atheist .
Deists are a perfect example of secularists and irreligious people

menesheh:



If you refuse to look at your dictionary, then assume meaning of stuffs from your head, you may be wrong sometimes and in addition, blinded by it, brother.

Atheism and religiosity are dragging Japan, Luxembourg, UK, France etc, almost atheistic countries. Alright. let's not argue about this, if you care to know more facts about secularism in relation to atheism and religiosity, Wikipedia and other research materials will always come to your rescue.

KingEbukasBlog:


Its none of my business if you dont want to read the article. The answers are there - even to the ones you'll ask later . They tell lies for Jesus but atheists' websites don't tell lies but reveal the truth...abi ? I read an atheist website that said over 90 percent of scientists in the US are atheist , I almost shut down my laptop after I read that bullshyte

werey !

dalaman:


The website actually supports what I stated. If you notice my first reponse to winner01 was based on the fact that sin or what he called fallen world is not responsible why there is natural evil in the world like earthquakes , mudslides and volcanos. These natural disasters are partly responsible for the formation of our continents and landscapes. They have nothing to do with man or man's sins. The traditional christian explanation is that man's sin lead to a fallen world with natural disasters and evil, something which winner01 clearly alluded to. The author of the website clearly rejects that traditional Christian explanation. So it is you the author and winner01 that disagree with each other. The writer clearly agrees with me.

From the website:

Rejected Christian responses

Numerous Christians throughout the ages have argued for specific explanations why there is natural evil. Some have suggested that natural evil was created by Satan and his angels. We reject this argument because nowhere does the Bible suggest that Satan has creative ability or took part in the way the universe was designed. We also reject the argument that all natural evil is required for spiritual growth. Some natural evil may pull at our hearts to encourage us to get involved in helping others. However, many forms of natural evil probably do not consistently result in a greater good in this way. So, we reject the argument that spiritual growth is the primary reason for the existence of natural evil. Young earth creationists say that that fall of Adam and Eve resulted in corruption of the physical creation, and that all the bad things are the result of sin. We reject this explanation,

there is no central God figure controlling anything anywhere as you guys try to proclaim.

menesheh:


How many times will i tell that you have a fundamentalist idea of secularism and disbelief (atheism).

Even in your holy book, there is no difference between morals before the advent of the purported law giver, to the living standards and morals of the people afterwards. laying emphasis from the bible; lethal harms to human deteriorates via those laws assumed issued by a deity that commanded the killing of fellow human outside of their immediate altruistic enclave, killing of gay, killing of witches and a bunch of other horrid laws.

Secularism (atheism) bleeds compliance to objective laws, empathy, taking responsibility for errors and crime, name them.
we have breathing Examples of secular countries and religious ones, compare and contrast how they fare on morality. Of which you are aware secularism achieved greater compliance to objective laws, even the objective laws in your bible than its religious counterparts.

winner01:



You will side with anything to remain relevant, secularism is not atheism.
Secularism simply does not involves God in its government and parts of society.
Atheism is a sure standpoint that God does not exist.
Many christians are heads of secularist societies and countries. Many christians live in secularist countries and secularism is tolerant to human rights
I was the vice president of my dept as an undergraduate and it was needless to bring Christianity into my speeches or gatherings. A good way i could preach the gospel was through my attitude and lifestyle. Does this mean im a secularist?.

Either you like it or not, you and your beliefs are seriously irrelevant and thats why you cling to naturalism, secularism, science and even religion. Many theists and deists are major stakeholders in secularist governments, it dosent make them alesser christian.
Secularism is tolerant, atheism governance is so intolerant and insensitive to human rights and cant even be compared to islams intolerance. North korea and china are good examples.

If atheism spread, it would become a religion as intolerable as the ancient ones. --Gustave le Bon

In the holy book, followers of Christ are called christians and are bound by no earthly law or government and i think this is the greatest threat to the small box in which atheists have put themselves.