Sahuchak:


250 fighters to face lca tejas.

F-16 block 50 for mid range.

J-31 will be our top line fighter.

We are replacing all our f-7s and mirage first. We shall wait till china develops their top line fighters. We dont need sanctions.

How many F-16s do you have?

Henry240:


How many F-16s do you have?

Around 80.

Looks like another f-16 purchase on way for block 50.

400 are enough for us.

250 jf-17s

100 f-16s

50 j-31 minimum.

You need to consider that india also has china to factor. They will never have all their fighters on our border.

Sahuchak:
The f-5 and f-4 are 3rd gen fighters.

The latest mig-21 are 3rd gen fighters.

None are bvr capable like jf-17.

The early f-16s are not bvr capable either and they classified as 4th.

Off Topic!! What do you think your guys chances are against the Blackcaps!! They are absolutely pumbling SriLanka!!

Henry240:


250 "3rd generation" fighters to face fleets of Indian SU-30MKIs/Mirages doesn't make any sense either.

Not built to face SU30s that's why they are still buying F16s....they are built to counter Teljas.

jln115:

Off Topic!! What do you think your guys chances are against the Blackcaps!! They are absolutely pumbling SriLanka!!

Two words - Mohammad aamer

Sahuchak:


Two words - Mohammad aamer

Aaahhh!! Hopefully he doesn't bowl any no-bowls this time....wouldn't want to get banned another 5 years!!

Sahuchak:


Around 80.

Looks like another f-16 purchase on way for block 50.

400 are enough for us.

250 jf-17s

100 f-16s

50 j-31 minimum.

You need to consider that india also has china to factor. They will never have all their fighters on our border.

That's a potentially huge fighter fleet. How is the Pakistani air force even going to fund that?

jln115:

Aaahhh!! Hopefully he doesn't bowl any no-bowls this time....wouldn't want to get banned another 5 years!!

Lets hope hes learnt his lesson.

Pity about yasir shah though. Gain a bowler and lose another.

Typical pakistan.

jln115:

Not built to face SU30s that's why they are still buying F16s....they are built to counter Teljas.

...... Yeah, the LCA. I wonder when that fighter is even going to enter service, it's been thoroughly delayed.

Henry240:


That's a potentially huge fighter fleet.

Thats the minimum.

We are always around the 450-500 mark for fighter jets.

I believe we will probably procure more surplus f-16s since the f-35 will be replacing them. J-31 needs time.

I doubt we will get j-10 cause its too similar to f-16 block 50.

Sahuchak:


Lets hope hes learnt his lesson.

Pity about yasir shah though. Gain a bowler and lose another.

Typical pakistan.

Haha was just about to say the same thing!! Anyway good thing is Aamer is still only 23, hard to believe he was banned for 5 years!!

Anyway last question, seeing we are deraling the thread a bit!!

When are we going to see international cricket back in Pakistan!! I'm getting tired of seeing Pakistan play at the same 2 venues each time in the UAE!!

Sahuchak:


Thats the minimum.

We are always around the 450-500 mark for fighter jets.

I believe we will probably procure more surplus f-16s since the f-35 will be replacing them. J-31 needs time.

I doubt we will get j-10 cause its too similar to f-16 block 50.

Sure, 3 Fighter types are also okay. 4 ...... And you'll have a logistical nightmare, although the J-10B looks a very potent proposition.

I think it's rated 4++ by the chinese, was offered to Argentina as a Typhoon killer.

I thought your former President, the Dictator, ordered 50 J-10s from china, was it(order) cancelled primarily because of it's shared characteristics with the F-16 block 50 or some other reason?

jln115:

Haha was just about to say the same thing!! Anyway good thing is Aamer is still only 23, hard to believe he was banned for 5 years!!

Anyway last question, seeing we are deraling the thread a bit!!

When are we going to see international cricket back in Pakistan!! I'm getting tired of seeing Pakistan play at the same 2 venues each time in the UAE!!

Wait another decade. Uae is dead. No crowd at all in tests.

Anyway how many jf-17 is pakistan producing a year. Im saying cause we surely cant meet the export demand when orders come.

Henry240:


...... Yeah, the LCA. I wonder when that fighter is even going to enter service, it's been thoroughly delayed.

True!

Henry240:


Sure, 3 Fighter types are also okay. 4 ...... And you'll have a logistical nightmare, although the J-10B looks a very potent proposition.

I think it's rated 4++ by the chinese, was offered to Argentina as a Typhoon killer.

I thought your former President, the Dictator, ordered 50 J-10s from china, was it(order) cancelled primarily because of it's shared characteristics with the F-16 block 50 or some other reason?

I honestly dont know about j-10. Most likely a combination of china meeting their own demands for j-10, us getting f-16s with similar capabilities and the fact that china is developing an export stealth fighter.

I wouldnt go for it. Personally i want a twin engine fighter as our front line.

Sahuchak:


I honestly dont know about j-10. Most likely a combination of china meeting their own demands for j-10, us getting f-16s with similar capabilities and the fact that china is developing an export stealth fighter.

I wouldnt go for it. Personally i want a twin engine fighter as our front line.

The J-31 would fill up that twin engine gap. However, does a twin engine Fighter fit into Pakistani air force doctrine? Looking at your large air force, you've never really flown a twin engine fighter. All your past/present fighter jets seem to be single engine.


The South-Africans, always say your air force got a whooping by the IAF in most of the air engagements you had during the war, do you agree with their assessment ?

Sahuchak:


Wait another decade. Uae is dead. No crowd at all in tests.

Anyway how many jf-17 is pakistan producing a year. Im saying cause we surely cant meet the export demand when orders come.

Well so far you guys have a confirmed order of 8 with another 3 looking very likely... I'm sure you guys can find 11 production slotes !!

Sahuchak:


Wait another decade. Uae is dead. No crowd at all in tests.

Anyway how many jf-17 is pakistan producing a year. Im saying cause we surely cant meet the export demand when orders come.

That's because cricket is boring.

Henry240:



The J-31 would fill up that twin engine gap. However, does a twin engine Fighter fit into Pakistani air force doctrine? Looking at your large air force, you've never really flown a twin engine fighter. All your past/present fighter jets seem to be single engine.


The South-Africans, always say your air force got a whooping by the IAF in most of the air engagements you had during the war, do you agree with their assessment ?

During what war?? They had many!

Henry240:


Sure, 3 Fighter types are also okay. 4 ...... And you'll have a logistical nightmare, although the J-10B looks a very potent proposition.

I think it's rated 4++ by the chinese, was offered to Argentina as a Typhoon killer.

I thought your former President, the Dictator, ordered 50 J-10s from china, was it(order) cancelled primarily because of it's shared characteristics with the F-16 block 50 or some other reason?

Typhoon killer?

Are people actually this delusional?

Henry240:


According to JLN115,

A fighter which has,

- Fly by wire

- Improved Avionics

- EW capability

- Air-Air capability

- MFDs

Is a 3rd GEN jet.

.....You're left to wonder what they teach these m0rons in South-African schools.

According to the PAC and the Chinese Lead Designer its 3rd gen

Henry240:


That's because cricket is boring.

If I wanted to watch someone struggle to score for 90 minutes, id just take you to a bar Henry!!

Sahuchak:


They are sticking to the chinese classification.

World doesnt revolve around the west for us.

The Chinese designer used the qualification of 3rd gen in reference to other 3rd gen fighters.

Thus, it is illigocal to argue that you are using a special-snowflake 3rd gen definition if you are comparing it to western 3rd gen fighters.

This whole "B...but China doesnt mean 3rd gen when we say its 3rd Gen" is nothing more than something cooked up by the author of the interveiw with the Chinese Designer... no where else have I ever read abou the Chinese having an independant classification system.

Fact is this: Chinese (who dont need to pretend things are better than they are) openly refer to it as 3rd gen, Paki's get ass-blasted and need to qualify the statement.

TDLR: Paki's on maximum damage controll.

jln115:

If I wanted to watch someone struggle to score for 90 minutes, id just take you to a bar Henry!!

oooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

jln115:
During what war?? They had many!

It has to be the 3rd Indo-Pak war.

Patchesagain:

Typhoon killer?
Are people actually this delusional?

You should ask the chinese.

jln115:

If I wanted to watch someone struggle to score for 90 minutes, id just take you to a bar Henry!!

Really........ Come on, i don't even know how players score in the game.

- just a bunch of guys in helmets who aren't supposed to be wearing one hitting balls thrown by guys who should be wearing one.

Patchesagain:


The Chinese designer used the qualification of 3rd gen in reference to other 3rd gen fighters.

Thus, it is illigocal to argue that you are using a special-snowflake 3rd gen definition if you are comparing it to western 3rd gen fighters.

This whole "B...but China doesnt mean 3rd gen when we say its 3rd Gen" is nothing more than something cooked up by the author of the interveiw with the Chinese Designer... no where else have I ever read abou the Chinese having an independant classification system.

Fact is this: Chinese (who dont need to pretend things are better than they are) openly refer to it as 3rd gen, Paki's get ass-blasted and need to qualify the statement.

TDLR: Paki's on maximum damage controll.

You carried your hating into 2016........ Wow!

Henry240:


You carried your hating into 2016........ Wow!

I hate it when people insult my intelligence with bad arguments and blatant misrepresentations.

I have read the interview in question and I got extremely agitated when the author did what he did to the interview.

Chinese are notorious for talking a big game about the capabilities of their platforms, and when even they openly say "its 3rd gen" and then compare it to other 3rd gen platforms... then its pretty cut and dry as to what gen it is.

Patchesagain:


I hate it when people insult my intelligence with bad arguments and blatant misrepresentations.

I have read the interview in question and I got extremely agitated when the author did what he did to the interview.

Chinese are notorious for talking a big game about the capabilities of their platforms, and when even they openly say "its 3rd gen" and then compare it to other 3rd gen platforms... then its pretty cut and dry as to what gen it is.

You don't need a sorcerer to tell you the fighter is a 4 GEN plane.

No one insulted your intelligence, the characteristics of the jet is open source.

Henry240:


Really........ Come on, i don't even know how players score in the game.

- just a bunch of guys in helmets who aren't supposed to be wearing one hitting balls thrown by guys who should be wearing one.

Think of cricket(Specifically Test cricket) as chess, enjoyed by the intellectually endowed.

5 days of intense battling, strategizing, planning tactics...changing tactics in the middle of the game, staying disciplined and after all this the match can still very likely end in a stalemate/Draw.

Guess thats why I have such a keen interest in militaries as well!!

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