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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 4:28pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Nope defenceweb is wrong he is being wrong like you guys too are wrong, most South Africans beleve Link Za is working accross platforms, but the TECHNICAL REPORT SAYS NO !!? You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished. Show me another technical report that cancels this one, not fairy tales from ordinary journalists on defenceweb magazine ... "Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms. Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ." http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:31pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: Augustus Have you read the abstract of the technical paper you posted here? The paper outlines how the platforms were integrated This paper expands on the implementation evolution and challenges of the standard over the last 10 years and provides a generic TDL Capability Model with a strategy for establishing interoperability between different implementations of the standard, thus establishing a SANDF tactical Network Enabled Capability. Also, you are saying that Navy Flag Officer Fleet, Rear Admiral Robert “Rusty” Higg has no idea about his own vessels? You messed up big time with your source 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 4:35pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Nope, it is SANDF Link Za that messed up big time, according to South African experts FINAL TECHNICAL REPORT "Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms. Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ." http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:38pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: 1. So naval officer confirms it is operational The ships can transmit their radar-pictures real-time to the Air Force Command Post in Pretoria or to Gripen fighters tasked with intercepting aircraft intruding into these areas using Link ZA. http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7077&catid=111&Itemid=242 2. Paper outlines how it was integrated This paper expands on the implementation evolution and challenges of the standard over the last 10 years and provides a generic TDL Capability Model with a strategy for establishing interoperability between different implementations of the standard, thus establishing a SANDF tactical Network Enabled Capability. Again, read things before you post them 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:04pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain:Dude LinkZA standard has only been stabilized since the end of 2009 and full integration only started afterwards....so you can go on with this outdated source of yours but the fact remains we have a fully interoperable TDL and you dont. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:05pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Patchesagain:Thank you 10/10 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 5:06pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Patchesagain: You should read before you post, stop sulking, I have wrecked SANDF tactical data link false claims. Go eat the humble pie. 1. The Navy officer did NOT say their ship is data linked to Gripen jet, that statement was made by the magazine journalist who has no knowledge of the technical failure report. The words of the navy are in quotation marks, the words of the journalist had no quotation, he was speaking his own mind loaded with error and ignorance of the technical failure report on Link ZA. 2. Paper outlines how it was integrated and failed to work from aircraft to artillery or ship to submarine, report says DISAPPOINTMENT ! SANDF has intra-net and not tactical data link, let that sink into y.our sk.ull.....never mind that I spoiled your weekend . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 5:08pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
jln115: Show me new technical report that cancels this one.... http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf Your personal opinion is NOT a fact ! Show us technical proof. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:13pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: 1. The Rear Admiral confirms it. 1a. airforce General confirms it: The SAAF will be using various sensors throughout the country to compile the radar picture. As the SAAF will be deploying mobile radar units to only the inland soccer venues, the SA Navy will deploy their frigates to the coastal venues, being Cape Town, Durban and Port Elizabeth. Gagiano says that the SAAF will “utilise the radar pictures from the navy ships – via Link ZA – for the total air picture around the stadiums close to the coast.” "So all those sensors contribute to a recognised air picture and Gripen is one part of it, the ship radar is one part of it, our mobile radars, static radar, all these sensors are part and parcel of the input into one recognised air picture.” http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6534 2. No, the paper says that upon delivery it failed to integrate, it then goes on to outline how it was integrated - abstract confirms it You can go on repeating yourself, and I can go on quoting YOUR OWN SOURCE to prove you are wrong I guess I just ruined your life 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:14pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: 1. Admiral confirms it 2. Report itself confirms it Your own source proves you are wrong 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:32pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Does the part in bold even make any sense to you? When did the F-18 enter service? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:38pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain:It's not an opinion it's fact: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6534 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:53pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Henry240: What does the f18 have to do with anything? 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 6:19pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
jln115: Nope, 2010 defenceweb report of falsehood. The technical performance reserach report is dated 2011 after the world cup. http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/handle/10204/5389 Title: Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability [Journal article] Authors: Smith, CJ Venter, JP Keywords: Network enabling capabilities Link-ZA Interoperability South African National Defence Force SANDF Tactical Data Links Battlefield technology Issue Date: Nov-2011 Publisher: Argos Press Citation: Smith, CJ and Venter, JP. Year 2011 Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability. Journal of Battlefield Technology, Vol 14. http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf As of 2011 date, SANDF tactical datalink is a failure 80% failed, show us a 2012-2016 technical report to cancel that. . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by RooiBoi(m): 6:23pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: And your life is 100% miserable 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:28pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Patchesagain:What does the Block 52's service entry have to do with anything? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:30pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: The data-link they keep bragging about is not even functional?..... LMFAO! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 6:34pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
jln115: Lies lies lies !!!! SAAF Gripen PS/05 radar is 25 year old obsoelete technology, how can that be the best in the world? Then all mechanical pulse doppler radars are inferior to PESA electronic radars, so how can Gripen fight Su-30 MK flanker? http://saab.com/air/sensor-systems/fighter-radar/ps-05-a/ More lies, Gripen jet RCS is huge, and thermal emission rating is bad engine characteristics with smoke coming out of it's engine like MiG-29 jet, we see Gripen jet engine puffing out thick black smoke in flight, that makes enemy sensors to detect the Gripen so easily. Stop telling lies dude ! Even F-7 jet has better RCS and thermal emission rating than Gripen. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:38pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain:WTF are you smoking bro?? The Gripen has an RCS of 0,1m2, the smallest of any none stealth fighter....also the PS/05 mk4 can track an 0.1m2 target at 120km...that's almost on par with some AESA radars on the market. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:41pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain:An SA Navy Admiral and SA Airforce commander disagree with your statement: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6534 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 7:20pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: The staff that you are smoking is too strong for you bro. Gripen radar is PS/05 mk3 which means is the latest Gripen RCS is low-confirmed. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 7:26pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: Why do you like to hurt yourself so much? Reutech- Communication technology company says you are lying. Don't you feel ashamed? http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/ 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 7:34pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: Why don't you go and cry? I can see that you are hurt by the fact that we have TDL. Hehehehehehe… Agaust is crying!!!!!!!!!!! Reutech has spoken http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/ 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 7:53pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
[size=20] South Africa joins the TDL clubs and aims to help BRICS countries.[/size] http://www.defenceiq.com/defence-technology/articles/south-africa-joins-the-tdl-club/#.T2LYQtfdU2g.email 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 8:02pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Technical Data Link Conference. How South Africa managed to develop its own indigenous TDL? https://www.asdevents.com/event.asp?id=1564 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 8:07pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
[size=20]It surely will not help you to cry if your country does not have a TDL. Only few modern countries in the world have TDL. So crying and accusing other countries that their TDL is cheap, not functional, and many names will not help you and won't make you to have one[/size] 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 9:12pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
jln115: RCS is a speculative figure joggled by anybody anyhow. Show me SAAB data stating Gripen RCS at 0.1m2....show proof ! Also Show proof that SAAF Gripen uses PS/05 Mk 4 radar, it was not existing when SAAF orderd Gripen and chose a radar, it was PS/05 A version available then in the 1990s and that is what SAAB official website says they installed on South African Gripen jet. "Saab has a long experience in development of radars for fighter aircraft. PS-05/A for the Gripen aircraft has been in service since 1992. At present, the Gripen with PS-05/A operates in several countries. Reference customers include the air forces of Sweden, South Africa, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Thailand." http://saab.com/air/sensor-systems/fighter-radar/ps-05-a/ Your air force Gripen flies with an obsolete 25 year old radar !!! JF-17 has a more modern radar than SAAF Gripen . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 9:19pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
mzilakazi: It failed, 2011 technical resesrch report FROM INSIDE SOUTH AFRICA BY SOUTH AFRICAN EXPERTS says Link ZA failed to perfom across different equipment, it was a huge disappointment. Sorry your Reutech manufacturer is too ashamed to admit failure publicly. Here is the proof of Link ZA 80% failure http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf SANDF got an overpriced intercom instead of tactical data link . . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:22pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain:Did I say SAAF uses the PS/05 mk4?? We use the mk3 which can track a 0.5m2 target at 120km! We will however be getting the mk4 version when we upgrade to block20. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:24pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain:Your source is outdated, just like my source was outdated... Apparently!! http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/ |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 9:29pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:40pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
AugustineAgain: 1. The Rear Admiral confirms it. 1a. airforce General confirms it: The SAAF will be using various sensors throughout the country to compile the radar picture. As the SAAF will be deploying mobile radar units to only the inland soccer venues, the SA Navy will deploy their frigates to the coastal venues, being Cape Town, Durban and Port Elizabeth. Gagiano says that the SAAF will “utilise the radar pictures from the navy ships – via Link ZA – for the total air picture around the stadiums close to the coast.” "So all those sensors contribute to a recognised air picture and Gripen is one part of it, the ship radar is one part of it, our mobile radars, static radar, all these sensors are part and parcel of the input into one recognised air picture.” http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6534 2. No, the paper says that upon delivery it failed to integrate, it then goes on to outline how it was integrated - abstract confirms it You can go on repeating yourself, and I can go on quoting YOUR OWN SOURCE to prove you are wrong I guess I just ruined your life |
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