Amberon:
I'm living by the word of God. At least I don't need to confess my sins to any "father" or pray to Mary. I live by God's word only. bye!!

I'm living by God's word...which gave Fathers power to forgive and retains sins in John20:23.

Bye.

Image123:


He's trying to create discussion.

By starting with such ill thought presumptions?

Op is wrong , angels and demons are not immortal , they can die !!!

vooks:

By starting with such ill thought presumptions?

Na you sabi oh. Those who have observed his threads know that he is creating discussion. There are many ways to communication and response.

excellencyabia1:


Their fight is to subdue.

Is it to subdue each other? Who are they fighting to subdue?

This thread funny die.

italo:


I'm living by God's word...which gave Fathers power to forgive and retains sins in John20:23.

Bye.

Italo

Should we contest the explanation of that bible quote which putatively supports the catholic practice ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Italo

Should we contest the explanation of that bible quote which putatively supports the catholic practice ?

Go ahead.

Also tell me whether saints can do battle on our behalf, since they're like angels.

OLAADEGBU:
If angels and demons can't die, what is the point of their engaging in battle? If angels and demons are immortal, why do they bother fighting each other?

Have you thought about Angels and Demons in another sense? Maybe seeing them as forms of energies instead of winged creatures? I think you'll have more tangible explanation from science than from religious books if you really seek for answers.

oglalasioux:


Have you thought about Angels and Demons in another sense? Maybe seeing them as forms of energies instead of winged creatures? I think you'll have more tangible explanation from science than from religious books if you really seek for answers.

Lol .... Uncle OLAADEGBU please start seeing angels and demons as forms of energies . I wonder if oglalasioux could name which form of energy he thinks those entities are . Here are various forms of energy : Potential , Mechanical , Kinetic, Mechanical wave , Nuclear , Ionization, Elastic , Gravitational, Thermal , Heat , Chemical , Electric, Magnetic and Radiant . So pick one for the Angel and another for the demon and explain in details .

The bible clearly said that angels were witnesses during the creation :

Job 38:4

4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.

Job 38:7

7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

So Mr , can you help us gain tangible explanations with science from the above passage of the bible .

*** Grabs popcorn - this should be fun

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol .... Uncle OLAADEGBU please start seeing angels and demons as forms of energies . I wonder if oglalasioux could name which form of energy he thinks those entities are . Here are various forms of energy : Potential , Mechanical , Kinetic, Mechanical wave , , Nuclear , Ionization, Elastic , Gravitational, Thermal , Heat , Chemical , Electric, Magnetic and Radiant . So pick one for the Angel and another for the demon and explain in details .

The bible clearly said that angels were witnesses during the creation :

Job 38:4



Job 38:7


So Mr , can you help us gain tangible explanations with science from the above passage of the bible .

*** Grabs popcorn - this should be fun

I couldn't check if you were the original poster or not. I offered an explanation to what the OP asked and I stand by what I suggested. The religion which wrote your bible started in Egypt by a pharaoh named Akhenaton. The pharaoh built a religion centred around the worship of one supreme God, the energy of the sun. Moses was his chief priest and at the death of the king Moses took some followers and that's how your religion and the bible came into existence.

I'm not therefore wrong to suggest that angels and demons are nothing but energies emanating from the sun sun as gravity, electromagnetic radiation and the nuclear forces. That's why even your bible is used by babalowos and it works for them. Read the book of Exodus very well and tell me what the ark of the covenant is if not an electrical capacitor.

oglalasioux:


I couldn't check if you were the original poster or not. I offered an explanation to what the OP asked and I stand by what I suggested. The religion which wrote your bible started in Egypt by a pharaoh named Akhenaton. The pharaoh built a religion centred around the worship of one supreme God, the energy of the sun. Moses was his chief priest and at the death of the king Moses took some followers and that's how your religion and the bible came into existence.

I'm not therefore wrong to suggest that angels and demons are nothing but energies emanating from the sun sun as gravity, electromagnetic radiation and the nuclear forces. That's why even your bible is used by babalowos and it works for them. Read the book of Exodus very well and tell me what the ark of the covenant is if not an electrical capacitor.

Ok conspiracy nonesense just like what Ifenes peddles here . I thought I'd be in for something different and exciting .

italo:


Go ahead.

Beautiful .

So let's start in bits

John 20:23

23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

Here are quick questions bro

1.How on earth does this give a priest power to forgive sins ?

2. Can you , Italo , forgive a man of his iniquities in accordance to the above verse that supposedly proves your claim ?

Also tell me whether saints can do battle on our behalf, since they're like angels.

Can you give scriptural evidence to back/buttress this claim - saints are like angels

oglalasioux:


I couldn't check if you were the original poster or not. I offered an explanation to what the OP asked and I stand by what I suggested. The religion which wrote your bible started in Egypt by a pharaoh named Akhenaton. The pharaoh built a religion centred around the worship of one supreme God, the energy of the sun. Moses was his chief priest and at the death of the king Moses took some followers and that's how your religion and the bible came into existence.

I'm not therefore wrong to suggest that angels and demons are nothing but energies emanating from the sun sun as gravity, electromagnetic radiation and the nuclear forces. That's why even your bible is used by babalowos and it works for them. Read the book of Exodus very well and tell me what the ark of the covenant is if not an electrical capacitor.

I also thought you were onto something. And you were. Now with stories of an electrical capacitor, you've shifted from spiritual to physics.

KingEbukasBlog

How about this, an Angel or a demon is a power. A power to effect/execute depend. How can you believe in concepts like the third eye which mainstream science has rejected and doubt these powers.

Your definition of powers is on point, spiritual power can be manifested in all those forms.

OLAADEGBU:


Is it to subdue each other? Who are they fighting to subdue?

Right.

Principalities and rulers of the heavenly realm pretty much work like that.

muafrika:

How about this, an Angel or a demon is a power. A power to effect/execute depend. How can you believe in concepts like the third eye which mainstream science has rejected and doubt these powers.

Your definition of powers is on point, spiritual power can be manifested in all those forms.

Bro , are you asking me or oglalasioux the question ?

KingEbukasBlog:

Bro , are you asking me or oglalasioux the question ?

Yours is the second part. The part you've quote,

muafrika:
I also thought you were onto something. And you were. Now with stories of an electrical capacitor, you've shifted from spiritual to physics.

My brother, there is no distinction between the spiritual and physics. They are one and the same. I can use African deities as a good example for you.

oglalasioux:


My brother, there is no distinction between the spiritual and physics. They are one and the same. I can use African deities as a good example for you.

please do.

muafrika:

Yours is the second part.

There are types of Angels - Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones , Dominations, Virtues, Powers , Principalities, Archangels, Malakhim , then there are Fallen Angels - so if you call an Angel a 'power' you are actually right .

KingEbukasBlog:


There are types of Angels - Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones , Dominations, Virtues, Powers , Principalities, Archangels, Malakhim , then there are Fallen Angels - so if you call an Angel a 'power' you are actually right .

Who are the Malakhim?

muafrika:

Who are the Malakhim?

The messengers

KingEbukasBlog:


The messengers

Noted.

muafrika:
Noted.

Cool .

muafrika:
please do.

I believe you'll have the patience to read through to the end.

When I was in Junior high school 3, I read Chinua Achebe's Arrow of God for the first time. That book left a mark in my memory and a very big question. The question of What African gods are. The story of Ezeulu and Nwaka raised questions every human being on earth today will secretly give an arm and a leg for answers; what are these African gods? Why are they so potent in a world that is far advanced in science and technology? Why are they still active in a world overtaken by Christianity?

Believe it or not the African gods are still active. But you ask; what happened? Why did these gods allow the white man conquer Africa? Why did they allow the white man erode their values, customs and traditions?

Nollywood movies can let us into the efficacy of the African gods and believe it or not 90% of what you watch in the movies about diabolism and witchcraft is true. They happen even in more bizarre ways than the moviemakers can portray. The proliferation of churches and prayer houses especially in the southern part of our country is an indication that more people are using the African gods as a means of living.

What then are these African gods that they seem indestructible?

Curiously, to have the answers we'll have to turn to an unlikely source; science. Science can give us a glimpse of what the African gods are, why they are indestructible and why they allowed the white man conquer Africa. To understand this we have to understand the fundamental properties of the African gods.

Africans are animists. Animism is the worship of nature and the procedure is passed from generations to generations which make the African a firm believer in the wisdom of the ancestors that have held this beliefs from the beginning of time.

These gods are double faceted. They are used for both good and evil. They have the power of life and death. Nollywood movies again gives us an insight of the inner mechanism of making the deities killers or life givers as the case may be. For instance a man who commits a crime is taken before a shrine to swear. More often than not, if the man is guilty, he dies or runs mad. But the movies also show us that the guilty man can subvert the judgment of the deity by running to another deity for protection and most times he goes free. Such arbitrary actions among the deities can be seen in the true story of the Okija shrine.

So what makes the deities act this way? Why do they manipulate each other? Why are they arbitrary in their actions as seen in Chinua Achebe's characters Ezeulu and Nwaka? And most importantly, how does diabolical manipulations work across the vast oceans and seas?

Science can unravel the mystery.

Science has been able to unlock the human mind through neuroscience. It is now common knowledge that what we perceive as dreams, thought and prophecies are our brains interacting with the energies in the environment through radio signals. Through evolution, as promoted by Charles Darwin, our brains have been evolving thereby having more frequency power with the radio signals from energies in the universe. (that's the explanation for the exponential rise in technology in the last 100 years.)

Believe it or not our ancestors were born with high brain frequency and they were able to perceive the forces of the universe in action. The forces of the universe are gravity, electromagnetism and the nuclear forces. Through the understanding of matter at the quantum level, our ancestors were able to build the gods and deities we worship today. That's why they are arbitrary. That's why they can operate anywhere. That's why they are indestructible. Energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed. They can only be transformed from one state to another. The African gods and of course any god or gods of any culture, so far as it operates arbitrarily in our lives and nature, is nothing but the forces of the universe in action.

How does charms work? Charms have the reputation of so many feats from folklore and in today's reality. People disappear, repel bullets, conjure up objects, be in more than one place at a time. People can use charms to strike illnesses including mental illness into other people. Others can heal those illnesses. They are cases of instant riches and misfortunes.

The bedrock of charms is the actions of the two nuclear forces, fission and fusion. This is the interaction of matter in a radioactive state. Matter is converted to energy at the square of the speed of light in a radioactive material and through particle entanglement interact with a like particle no matter the distance. Entanglement of subatomic particles is the interaction of two like particles to the level that if the observer changes the state of the particle, say here in Nigeria, the corresponding particle will change too even if the distance is astronomical. That's what the native doctors do when they ask for any relic from the subject of their assignment. They may ask for hair, piece of clothing or even a picture of the subject. Each of these objects contain subatomic particles from the subject and they are mixed with certain chemicals that start a nuclear reaction that affects the subject through entanglement.

Energies can bend gravity as shown by Einstein. The native doctors also know what builds up such energies. They can repel bullets or weapons with this technique. Invincibility is now common even among car manufacturers. With the science of quantum mechanics, we're beginning to understand why someone can be in more than a place at the same time because the behaviour of subatomic particles which is the building blocks of every matter, have the characteristics of being in more than one place at a time. That is exactly what prompted physicist to bring up the theory of multiple universes.

Feel free to point out where you don't understand. Thanks.

KingEbukasBlog:


Ok conspiracy nonesense just like what Ifenes peddles here . I thought I'd be in for something different and exciting .

Believing that a man called jesus died and rose from the death to pay your debt is proper conspiracy theory,don't you think?

ifenes:


Believing that a man called jesus died and rose from the death to pay your debt is proper conspiracy theory,don't you think?

Well I have proof that its clearly not .

Ifenes ... can you explain to Nairaland folks why God was walking in the garden of Eden ?

Only God doesn't have a beginning and end. Every other thing was created and therefore has a beginning and will surely have an end. So, be it an angel or a demon has a lifespan.

oglalasioux:

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I believe you'll have the patience to read through to the end.

When I was in Junior high school 3, I read Chinua Achebe's Arrow of God for the first time. That book left a mark in my memory and a very big question. The question of What African gods are. The story of Ezeulu and Nwaka raised questions every human being on earth today will secretly give an arm and a leg for answers; what are these African gods? Why are they so potent in a world that is far advanced in science and technology? Why are they still active in a world overtaken by Christianity?

Believe it or not the African gods are still active. But you ask; what happened? Why did these gods allow the white man conquer Africa? Why did they allow the white man erode their values, customs and traditions?

Nollywood movies can let us into the efficacy of the African gods and believe it or not 90% of what you watch in the movies about diabolism and witchcraft is true. They happen even in more bizarre ways than the moviemakers can portray. The proliferation of churches and prayer houses especially in the southern part of our country is an indication that more people are using the African gods as a means of living.

What then are these African gods that they seem indestructible?

Curiously, to have the answers we'll have to turn to an unlikely source; science. Science can give us a glimpse of what the African gods are, why they are indestructible and why they allowed the white man conquer Africa. To understand this we have to understand the fundamental properties of the African gods.

Africans are animists. Animism is the worship of nature and the procedure is passed from generations to generations which make the African a firm believer in the wisdom of the ancestors that have held this beliefs from the beginning of time.

These gods are double faceted. They are used for both good and evil. They have the power of life and death. Nollywood movies again gives us an insight of the inner mechanism of making the deities killers or life givers as the case may be. For instance a man who commits a crime is taken before a shrine to swear. More often than not, if the man is guilty, he dies or runs mad. But the movies also show us that the guilty man can subvert the judgment of the deity by running to another deity for protection and most times he goes free. Such arbitrary actions among the deities can be seen in the true story of the Okija shrine.

So what makes the deities act this way? Why do they manipulate each other? Why are they arbitrary in their actions as seen in Chinua Achebe's characters Ezeulu and Nwaka? And most importantly, how does diabolical manipulations work across the vast oceans and seas?

Science can unravel the mystery.

Science has been able to unlock the human mind through neuroscience. It is now common knowledge that what we perceive as dreams, thought and prophecies are our brains interacting with the energies in the environment through radio signals. Through evolution, as promoted by Charles Darwin, our brains have been evolving thereby having more frequency power with the radio signals from energies in the universe. (that's the explanation for the exponential rise in technology in the last 100 years.)

Believe it or not our ancestors were born with high brain frequency and they were able to perceive the forces of the universe in action. The forces of the universe are gravity, electromagnetism and the nuclear forces. Through the understanding of matter at the quantum level, our ancestors were able to build the gods and deities we worship today. That's why they are arbitrary. That's why they can operate anywhere. That's why they are indestructible. Energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed. They can only be transformed from one state to another. The African gods and of course any god or gods of any culture, so far as it operates arbitrarily in our lives and nature, is nothing but the forces of the universe in action.

How does charms work? Charms have the reputation of so many feats from folklore and in today's reality. People disappear, repel bullets, conjure up objects, be in more than one place at a time. People can use charms to strike illnesses including mental illness into other people. Others can heal those illnesses. They are cases of instant riches and misfortunes.

The bedrock of charms is the actions of the two nuclear forces, fission and fusion. This is the interaction of matter in a radioactive state. Matter is converted to energy at the square of the speed of light in a radioactive material and through particle entanglement interact with a like particle no matter the distance. Entanglement of subatomic particles is the interaction of two like particles to the level that if the observer changes the state of the particle, say here in Nigeria, the corresponding particle will change too even if the distance is astronomical. That's what the native doctors do when they ask for any relic from the subject of their assignment. They may ask for hair, piece of clothing or even a picture of the subject. Each of these objects contain subatomic particles from the subject and they are mixed with certain chemicals that start a nuclear reaction that affects the subject through entanglement.

Energies can bend gravity as shown by Einstein. The native doctors also know what builds up such energies. They can repel bullets or weapons with this technique. Invincibility is now common even among car manufacturers. With the science of quantum mechanics, we're beginning to understand why someone can be in more than a place at the same time because the behaviour of subatomic particles which is the building blocks of every matter, have the characteristics of being in more than one place at a time. That is exactly what prompted physicist to bring up the theory of multiple universes.

Feel free to point out where you don't understand. Thanks.
[/s]

a mishmash of outlandish ideas .

You have been brainwashed to think that deflecting bullets using charms can be explained by science . If all these had scientific explanations , scientists would be the most powerful people on earth - they could use their powers from their "understanding " of nature to do and undo - by simply tuning their brains into this elusive high frequency . You guys propose asinine BS to accommodate your unbelief

Can you explain why herbalists need human heads for rituals using science . Or can you explain miracles - lame walking , blind seeing etc - by mere calling of the name of Jesus using science too ?

You are trying so hard to obliterate any proof of the supernatural - anyway for admitting these events are real I'll give a thumb up

KingEbukasBlog:


Well I have proof that its clearly not .

Ifenes ... can you explain to Nairaland folks why God was walking in the garden of Eden ?

Why one of the anunaki was walking in the garden you meant??/

Ok give me a concrete proof how jesus died and paid your dept?

seguun:
Only God doesn't have a beginning and end. Every other thing was created and therefore has a beginning and will surely have an end. So, be it an angel or a demon has a lifespan.

And the God is real aspect of you,which is nothing special.

ifenes:

And the God is real aspect of you,which is nothing special.

I don't really get you...