oloriooko:
Its a troubling question these days
The Christianity we practise these depict conflicting reasons as to who to fear more; God or devil?

Who do you fear more?

ikenigel:

You don't know what you are practising. It's definitely not Christianity. If you claim it is, then you don't know what you're doing to be asking this question.

johnydon22:
Since you mentioned Christianity it is obvious you are referring to the Christian yahweh..

So check this: when you have a God who allegedly drowns everything both men, women, babies world wide because they didn't turn the way he wanted, murdered all of sodom and gomorrah not minding the children.

Sends bears to maul 42 children for calling a bald man bald, orders the death of people who are homosexual, worships other gods, disobeys priests, are not virgins.

blames you for something you know nothing about, murders his son to appease his own ego, loves the smell of burnt flesh.

I wonder why you need to imagine up a devil when you have a God like that

johnydon22:
Since you mentioned Christianity it is obvious you are referring to the Christian yahweh..

So check this: when you have a God who allegedly drowns everything both men, women, babies world wide because they didn't turn the way he wanted, murdered all of sodom and gomorrah not minding the children.

Sends bears to maul 42 children for calling a bald man bald, orders the death of people who are homosexual, worships other gods, disobeys priests, are not virgins.

blames you for something you know nothing about, murders his son to appease his own ego, loves the smell of burnt flesh.

I wonder why you need to imagine up a devil when you have a God like that

ikenigel:
Why are you bent on denying God's existence when everything around you is telling you that he exists? Why are you forcing yourself to deny your creator's existence? Read Romans 1:19-32 if you really care.

johnydon22:
Isn't it remarkable how you are here defending a jewish deity at the same time denying the existence of other God concepts including the ones found in your own historical root.

If you find out the reason why you disbelieve these other God claims then you will find out the reason i don't believe yours.

All are baseless unfounded assumptions that relies on your Faith other than facts for foundation..

oloriooko:


So what you saying is to fear the Almighty God and that the devil is not a factor abi?

oloriooko:


O boy too much grammar don erase your sense of reasoning

johnydon22:
Isn't it remarkable how you are here defending a jewish deity at the same time denying the existence of other God concepts including the ones found in your own historical root.

If you find out the reason why you disbelieve these other God claims then you will find out the reason i don't believe yours.

All are baseless unfounded assumptions that relies on your Faith other than facts for foundation..

johnydon22:
You have all the time in the world to figure it out..

By the way i do not believe anything is to be feared only understood let alone adding imaginary things to the list..

Find out the reason why FEAR should be used as a basis to coerce you into the belief of this almighty God..

Anything that relies on such to coerce people into submission is not far from being a lie

johnydon22:
Since you mentioned Christianity it is obvious you are referring to the Christian yahweh..

So check this: when you have a God who allegedly drowns everything both men, women, babies world wide because they didn't turn the way he wanted, murdered all of sodom and gomorrah not minding the children.

Sends bears to maul 42 children for calling a bald man bald, orders the death of people who are homosexual, worships other gods, disobeys priests, are not virgins.

blames you for something you know nothing about, murders his son to appease his own ego, loves the smell of burnt flesh.

I wonder why you need to imagine up a devil when you have a God like that

ikenigel:

Dear, I don't disbelieve/believe other God claims. I simply don't care about other God claims. I believe in the only God that exists. People are free to think as they want. I don't fight their ideology because I have grown to learn about this one true God by myself. Forget about believing/disbelieving other people's God concepts. Know God YOURSELF first!

ikenigel:

FEAR is NOT the basis of believing. Damn, you really need to wake up friend.

krattoss:
when u fear either of them... then it is ur fears u are worshipping... and not the god.

ikenigel:

Another one comes. Kratos, fear here doesn't mean we should be afraid or believe because we fear consequences of not believing. FEAR means " a feeling of respect and wonder for something
very powerful." other dictionaries say "a reverential awe for God".... NOT that kind of cowardly fear you guys may be thinking of.

johnydon22:
You see you are not getting the point..

The same way you think you have the true God (belief) is the same way others think they do too..

this is just what it is; Belief.

Others think you got the wrong God too and theirs is the true and rightful God, so you still have nothing..

Believing anything does not make it true not even in the least sense..

oglalasioux:
Is there a God and a Devil in the sense religions teach them? The answer is NO! If there is an underlying power behind the universe, I'll say YES! But to teach a God that has given the devil a free hand since the garden of Eden is making nonsense of that very God.

A God that deliberately planted a bad tree in the middle of the garden and gave the devil the leverage to tempt man and then excuse everything bad in the world to eating the fruit of that tree is a very big laugh.

allanphash7:
Since i have johnydon22 here on this thread i have nothing to comment again cos i know he have said and will still say it alll





I live without fear anyway

ikenigel:


To experience God,
1.Believe He exists

2. He seeks the good of those who sincerely seek him.
Others may think of what they like, it's really NOT your business. It is theirs. Your business is to seek this God for YOURSELF. I'm not telling you to believe in anyone's God. The truth is that there is ONLY one God. Different beliefs does NOT change that. I'm telling you to let yourself experience him and stop allowing OTHERS different views to STOP you from seeking the divine path!
Try and read Rom 1:19-32 as I told you.

aaronson:
Since both of them don't exist in the real world but figment of imagination, then technically Fear creates spiritual paralysis and the only way to combat that pressure is seeking wisdom to get knowledge of self.

ikenigel:


I thought you said you were a Christian. You see you've just exposed yourself. I was right. A true Christian won't ask this question. By the way, to correct your reasoning, what happened in the garden of eden was allegorical. It has deeper meanings that do not lie on the surface.