jln115:

So its a blog?? Well in to the trash it goes!!

FighterPilot:


Shamaz Khan blog is still unreliable. You can see how he is reporting. He is using too much words as "It is said that"

You still lose guys ! There are MANY SOURCES all over internet that state the JF-17 max radar range as OVER 135 km and they are NOT blogs.

"The KLJ-7 radar has multiple modes and can handle greater than 40 targets, tracking 10 of them and guiding 4 BVR missiles to attack 4 of them at the same time. The detecting range for a typical air target of RCS 3 square meter is > 75 km; look-down-shoot-down range is > 45 km; range for sea target is > 135 km ."

http://www.grandestrategy.com/2007/06/light-sabre-for-third-world-fc-1-jf-17.html

I have spoiled y.our weekend again ! JF-17 radar has range of over 135 km. FACT ! PROVED !
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agaugust:


1. There is no difference, radars capture targets by object SIZE not by location on ground or sea. Do that research.


2.

⚫ Gripen does NOT have radar cross section RCS of 0.1 m2, show us SAAB source to prove that, show us now ! Liar ! Fraud !

⚫ Also show us proof that JF-17 radar cannot detect a Gripen until the Gripen is less than 20 km away, show us a source to prove this lie !

⚫ RCS of 0.1 m2 is for the size of a human being ! So is Gripen jet as small as a man ! Plus Gripen is NOT listed as stealth or near stealth jet anywhere in the world, it has all it's hardpoints hanging outside, all weapons carried outside, fuel drop tanks carried outside, and all that creates rough contour shapes for radar waves to hit and reflect back to source thus detecting the Gripen, and the Gripen has NO stealth paint !

⚫ What da fvck ! Gripen jet is NOT a stealth or stealthy jet fighter....and it's smoking engine is like MiG-29...makes it easy for JF-17 missiles to pursue the heat and thick black smoke thermal-infra red emmission oozing out massively and even visibly from the Gripen's smoking engine !

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You obviously don't know the difference between RCS and IR signature!!

The RCS has been conservatively estimated as 0.1m2 by experts.

agaugust:
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Cool, good to see you agree!!

jln115:

You obviously don't know the difference between RCS and IR signature!!

The RCS has been conservatively estimated as 0.1m2 by experts.

I obviously defined the difference between RCS and IR signature, I educated you that IR is from the engine, and RCS is from the body size. I remain your teacher whitey boy with Zulu brain

There is NO world recognized expert on estimating RCS, all those figures you post are joggled by private people in their homes and posted all over internet, speculative unproved calculations. The people who post all those fake numbers do not even have Gripen jet in their homes, you need to have the aircraft physically with you and loaded with weapons before you can calculate the RCS.

RCS is so hard to calculate in reality that almost all jet aircraft manufacturers avoid calculating it and posting any figures, so NOW YOU HAVE TO PROVE the Gripen RCS from SAAB source ! Prove your 0.1 m2 claim ! Prove that Gripen RCS is the size of a small man, 0.1 m2 the size of a short slim human being ! Prove your claim of 0.1 m2 and stop embarrassing South Africa !
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agaugust:




You still lose guys ! There are MANY SOURCES all over internet that state the JF-17 max radar range as OVER 135 km and they are NOT blogs.

"The KLJ-7 radar has multiple modes and can handle greater than 40 targets, tracking 10 of them and guiding 4 BVR missiles to attack 4 of them at the same time. The detecting range for a typical air target of RCS 3 square meter is > 75 km; look-down-shoot-down range is > 45 km; range for sea target is > 135 km ."

http://www.grandestrategy.com/2007/06/light-sabre-for-third-world-fc-1-jf-17.html

I have spoiled y.our weekend again ! JF-17 radar has range of over 135 km. FACT ! PROVED !
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Thank you Agaugust!! Now was that so difficult?

So the JF17s KJL7 radar can track 3m2 target at 75km compared to the PS/05 mk3 that can track a 0.5m2 at 120km!!

Thank you for proving that the Gripens Radar is many many many times better than the JF17s Radar.

agaugust:


1. There is no difference, radars capture targets by object SIZE not by location on ground or sea. Do that research.


2.

⚫ Gripen does NOT have radar cross section RCS of 0.1 m2, show us SAAB source to prove that, show us now ! Liar ! Fraud !

⚫ Also show us proof that JF-17 radar cannot detect a Gripen until the Gripen is less than 20 km away, show us a source to prove this lie !

⚫ RCS of 0.1 m2 is for the size of a human being ! So is Gripen jet as small as a man ! Plus Gripen is NOT listed as stealth or near stealth jet anywhere in the world, it has all it's hardpoints hanging outside, all weapons carried outside, fuel drop tanks carried outside, and all that creates rough contour shapes for radar waves to hit and reflect back to source thus detecting the Gripen, and the Gripen has NO stealth paint !

⚫ What da fvck ! Gripen jet is NOT a stealth or stealthy jet fighter....and it's smoking engine is like MiG-29...makes it easy for JF-17 missiles to pursue the heat and thick black smoke thermal-infra red emmission oozing out massively and even visibly from the Gripen's smoking engine !

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Stealth fighters like F22 and F35 have an RCS of 0.001 and 0.005 sqms respectively and they are both fat bigger than humans. Now my fellow military researcher is puzzled when I reveal to him that Gripen has an RCS of 0.1 sqm.


Rafale has RCS of 1sqm.

Do research. You told us that you are a researcher.

agaugust:


I obviously defined the difference between RCS and IR signature, I educated you that IR is from the engine, and RCS is from the body size. I remain your teacher whitey boy with Zulu brain

There is NO world recognized expert on estimating RCS, all those figures you post are joggled by private people in their homes and posted all over internet, speculative unproved calculations. The people who post all those fake numbers do not even have Gripen jet in their homes, you need to have the aircraft physically with you and loaded with weapons before you can calculate the RCS.

RCS is so hard to calculate in reality that almost all jet aircraft manufacturers avoid calculating it and posting any figures, so NOW YOU HAVE TO PROVE the Gripen RCS from SAAB source ! Prove your 0.1 m2 claim ! Prove that Gripen RCS is the size of a small man, 0.1 m2 the size of a short slim human being ! Prove your claim of 0.1 m2 and stop embarrassing South Africa !
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Wow so much emotional B.S!!

Anyway the Gripens RCS is 0.1m2 deal with it!!

http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

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Let us see how far we wrecked SANDF, SAAF, and SAN this weekend

⚫⚫ "Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

Source: Year 2011 research/report http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF Link ZA is an 80% failure, army, navy, air force CANNOT communicate with each other !

Even Gripen CANNOT communicate with Hawk, it can only use the data link Gripen to Gripen.

SAAF cannot use the FAKE tactical data link to send messages to SANDF artillery !

Link ZA ia a failure, South Africa DOES NOT have a functioning fully integrated Tactical Data Link !





⚫⚫ "Saab has a long experience in development of radars for fighter aircraft. PS-05/A for the Gripen aircraft has been in service since 1992. At present, the Gripen with PS-05/A operates in several countries.

Reference customers include the air forces of Sweden, South Africa, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Thailand."

http://saab.com/air/sensor-systems/fighter-radar/ps-05-a/

SAAF Gripen flies with obsolete 25 year old radar !!

JF-17 has year 2005 radar, more modern than SAAF Gripen !!

Photo: JF-17 Thunder's modern radar[/size]
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agaugust:
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Let us see how far we wrecked SANDF, SAAF, and SAN this weekend

⚫⚫ "Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

Source: Year 2011 research/report http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF Link ZA is an 80% failure, army, navy, air force CANNOT communicate with each other !

Even Gripen CANNOT communicate with Hawk, it can only use the data link Gripen to Gripen.

SAAF cannot use the FAKE tactical data link to send messages to SANDF artillery !

Link ZA ia a failure, South Africa DOES NOT have a functioning fully integrated Tactical Data Link !





⚫⚫ "Saab has a long experience in development of radars for fighter aircraft. PS-05/A for the Gripen aircraft has been in service since 1992. At present, the Gripen with PS-05/A operates in several countries.

Reference customers include the air forces of Sweden, South Africa, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Thailand."

http://saab.com/air/sensor-systems/fighter-radar/ps-05-a/

SAAF Gripen flies with obsolete 25 year old radar !!! JF-17 has year 2005 radar, more modern than SAAF Gripen !!

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[size=20]In 2011, the link ZA was still on its early stages and now in 2016 is totally different. In 2012 most platforms started to be integrated into it and final stages were completed in 2012.

Your source of 2011 is outdated and does not stand.[/size]

jln115:

Wow so much emotional B.S!!

Anyway the Gripens RCS is 0.1m2 deal with it!!

http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Bwahahahaha

Your source is the private opinion of a newspaper journalist, a South African Mr. Darren Oliver and he is NOT even sure of the RCS, he confesses that there are marketing exaggerations, meaning the RCS is mere speculations that vary from person to person.

Thanks for proving me right with your own source

" The Gripen C has a frontal ideal RCS of 0.1 m², going higher depending on angle, so let’s call it 0.5 m² to be fair and to account for marketing exaggerations."


http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Please stop posting ASSUMPTIONS made by people in their bedrooms, we want facts here you dunce !

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agaugust:


Bwahahahaha

Your source is the private opinion of a newspaper journalist, a South African Mr. Darren Oliver and he is NOT even sure of the RCS, he confesses that there are marketing exaggerations, meaning the RCS is mere speculations that vary from person to person.

Thanks for proving me right with your own source

" The Gripen C has a frontal ideal RCS of 0.1 m², going higher depending on angle, so let’s call it 0.5 m² to be fair and to account for marketing exaggerations."


http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Please stop posting ASSUMPTIONS made by people in their bedrooms, we want facts here you dunce !

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What I like is that he conducts research first about whatever he writes and most of his friends are former fighter pilots and even some are currently flying fighters. He conducts research on daily basis unlike my poor and demented friend agaigust.

mzilakazi:



Stealth fighters like F22 and F35 have an RCS of 0.001 and 0.005 sqms respectively and they are both fat bigger than humans. Now my fellow military researcher is puzzled when I reveal to him that Gripen has an RCS of 0.1 sqm.


Rafale has RCS of 1sqm.

Do research. You told us that you are a researcher.

You consumed my words.

agaugust:
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Let us see how far we wrecked SANDF, SAAF, and SAN this weekend

⚫⚫ "Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

Source: Year 2011 research/report http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF Link ZA is an 80% failure, army, navy, air force CANNOT communicate with each other !

Even Gripen CANNOT communicate with Hawk, it can only use the data link Gripen to Gripen.

SAAF cannot use the FAKE tactical data link to send messages to SANDF artillery !

Link ZA ia a failure, South Africa DOES NOT have a functioning fully integrated Tactical Data Link !





⚫⚫ "Saab has a long experience in development of radars for fighter aircraft. PS-05/A for the Gripen aircraft has been in service since 1992. At present, the Gripen with PS-05/A operates in several countries.

Reference customers include the air forces of Sweden, South Africa, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Thailand."

http://saab.com/air/sensor-systems/fighter-radar/ps-05-a/

SAAF Gripen flies with obsolete 25 year old radar !!

JF-17 has year 2005 radar, more modern than SAAF Gripen !!

Photo: JF-17 Thunder's modern radar[/size]
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That was not even a research. Tell that same writer to write again about Link ZA in 2016.

agaugust:


Bwahahahaha

Your source is the private opinion of a newspaper journalist, a South African Mr. Darren Oliver and he is NOT even sure of the RCS, he confesses that there are marketing exaggerations, meaning the RCS is mere speculations that vary from person to person.

Thanks for proving me right with your own source

" The Gripen C has a frontal ideal RCS of 0.1 m², going higher depending on angle, so let’s call it 0.5 m² to be fair and to account for marketing exaggerations."


http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Please stop posting ASSUMPTIONS made by people in their bedrooms, we want facts here you dunce !

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Unlike you he is an accredited and published military researcher/Journalist and it wouldn't be in his interest to spread false and misleading information like you!!

jln115:

Unlike you he is an accredited and published military researcher/Journalist and it wouldn't be in his interest to spread false and misleading information like you!!

Hallelujah!!

HE IS A QUALIFIED MILITARY RESEARCHER. NOT A FAKE PARADING AS QUALIFIED RESEACHER WHO DOES NOT KNOW SIMPLE TDL AND RCS. LOOK AT THE JOKES HE WRITES ALL OVER HERE. THE MAN IS REALLY DISAPPOINTING TO ASSERTS HIMSELF AS PROFESSIONAL RESEACHER WITH THE LEVEL OF POOR KNOWLEDGE HE IS EXUDING. HE IS REALLY DIAPPOINTING.

mzilakazi:

Hehehehehe… so what you know about 140 km is conclusive and not speculative.
You are sick my bro and you need to be admitted to a mental clinic.

Exactly,its all speculative,but it is moderately certain that JF-17's BVR range supersedes 140km at maximum,downplaying the capability of the JF-17 doesnt make your claims accurate.

DO YOU KNOW THAT GRIPEN WILL EVEN KILL JUNK FIGHTER ARMED WITH ONLY IRIS-T WHILE THE JUNK FIGHTER IS ARMED TO THE TEETH. REASON.

GRIPEN HAS A LOW RCS WHICH IS ALMOST UNDETECTABLE.


RADAR MEASURED IN RCS.

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/bestfighter.html

jln115:

Unlike you he is an accredited and published military researcher/Journalist and it wouldn't be in his interest to spread false and misleading information like you!!

Darren Oliver is a mere journalist who writes on defence for his newspaper. Simple....he works for a newspaper NOT a military organization or defence industry. He is an ordinary journalist.

EVarn:
Exactly,its all speculative,but it is moderately certain that JF-17's BVR range supersedes 140km at maximum,downplaying the capability of the JF-17 doesnt make your claims accurate.

That depend on the RCS of the object targeted. Gripen has an RCS of 0.1 sqm. Which is impossible to detect in that distance.

AugustineAgain:


Darren Oliver is a mere journalist who writes on defence for his newspaper. Simple....he works for a newspaper NOT a military organization or defence industry. He is an ordinary journalist.

Darren has Military qualifications apart from his civilian qualifications. He is far experienced and qualified.

FighterPilot:


Hallelujah!!

HE IS A QUALIFIED MILITARY RESEARCHER. NOT A FAKE PARADING AS QUALIFIED RESEACHER WHO DOES NOT KNOW SIMPLE TDL AND RCS. LOOK AT THE JOKES HE WRITES ALL OVER HERE. THE MAN IS REALLY DISAPPOINTING TO ASSERTS HIMSELF AS PROFESSIONAL RESEACHER WITH THE LEVEL OF POOR KNOWLEDGE HE IS EXUDING. HE IS REALLY DIAPPOINTING.

Darren Oliver is a mere journalist who writes on defence for his newspaper. Simple....he works for a newspaper NOT a military organization or defence industry. He is an ordinary journalist.

Last year I corrected he was talking rubbish about Angolan Su-30 and South African military experts like Helmod Heitman were correctinig his errors, I also corrected him on A-Darter range
...LOL....Darren is a mere newspaper journalist, writing on defence matters like other thousands of defence news correspondents and journalists all over the world......or is he an ex-air force pilot?

LOL.....he is a mere journalist.

FighterPilot:


That depend on the RCS of the object targeted. Gripen has an RCS of 0.1 sqm. Which is impossible to detect in that distance.

Fool, even the Darren Oliver you are praising as expert says Gripen RCS 0.1 m2 is a marketing gimmick, he personaly estimated 0.5 m2. There is nobody who knows Gripen RCS, even the manufacturer SAAB is silent on the issue of RCS.....only fools try to cook up imaginary figures for it

FighterPilot:



Darren has Military qualifications apart from his civilian qualifications. He is far experienced and qualified.

Show us proof of Darren's military qualifications...

agaugust:


Show us proof of Darren's military qualifications...

Darren as always mentions his qualifications at the end of every of his articles.

jln115:

Thank you Agaugust!! Now was that so difficult?

So the JF17s KJL7 radar can track 3m2 target at 75km compared to the PS/05 mk3 that can track a 0.5m2 at 120km!!

Thank you for proving that the Gripens Radar is many many many times better than the JF17s Radar.

Show us proof from SAAB that the PS/05 mk3 that can track a 0.5m2 at 120km, and show us proof also that SAAF has mk 3 version that did not exist in 1999 when SAAF purchased Gripen jet.

Now show us official proof of those two claims...liar !!
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FighterPilot:


Darren as always mentions his qualifications at the end of every of his articles.

Quote it and attach weblink. Liar !!!

agaugust:


Show us proof from SAAB that the PS/05 mk3 that can track a 0.5m2 at 120km, and show us proof also that SAAF has mk 3 version that did not exist in 1999 when SAAF purchased Gripen jet.

Now show us official proof of those two claims...liar !!
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Agaugust you are not far from being mad my friend.

FighterPilot:


That was not even a research. Tell that same writer to write again about Link ZA in 2016.

It was a research, and the case has been closed in 2011, a man that died in 2011 won't be alive in 2016....SANDF Link ZA tactical data link died tactically in 2011 and remains in the grave till today 2016 as nothing has changed.

SANDF Link ZA failed data link = basic Inter-com device used in people's offices
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agaugust:


It was a research, and the case has been closed in 2011, a man that died in 2011 won't be alive in 2016....SANDF Link ZA tactical data link died tactically in 2011 and remains in the grave till today 2016 as nothing has changed.

SANDF Link ZA failed data link = basic Inter-com device used in people's offices
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Do you even understand English? The man is not even asserting all the nonsense you are writing here. You are truly demented.


SANDF has TDL, like it or not. Our gripens, hawks, frigates, artillery, Air defence, submarine and vehicles are now all Link ZA compliant and are now a unit. You are coming to us with an outdated trash and parade it as if it was written yesterday. You failed. Go and sleep.

May I remind you that you have no TDL and we have it.


Come with a 2016 source or either tell that man to write about TDL in 2016.

[size=30] Please can anyone here teach Agaugust what is tactical data link. Please anyone to give free lessons. The man is lost and does not know what is TDL. I personally have worked with that system during our training in Lohatlha. [/size]

LET CRAZY AGAUGUGST READ THIS INTERVIEW FROM PEOPLE WHO DEVELOPED LINK ZA FURTHER. A TRUE IDIO.T CALLED AGAUGUAT.

NOW IN THIS INTEVIEW THEY SPEAK ABOUT A NEW PLATFORM HOST NETBEANS WHICH WILL INTERACT WITH LINK ZA.

NIGERIA IS STILL FAR FAR BEHIND.


https://dzone.com/articles/sandf-netbeans-platform

Henry240:


I'm bragging about an Aircraft which is better than SAAF Gripen jets in capabilities and pricing. That's what i'm bragging about.

You said it is on par with a jet that entered service in 1991

Gripen entered service in 1997

Think about what you are saying