Henry240:


It's in quotes dummy....... The events that transpired after the encounter is all the evidence i require.

- SANDF troops brushed aside

- SANDF troops flee

- SELEKA takes over bangui.

Provide the source that says so

agaugust:


Thanks for repeating my same source in full details, the Smith research report on Link Za datalink failure, the weblink you posted still says the same FINAL CONCLUSION as we clearly read.....

The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

Nice to know SANDF got mere intercom instead of tactical data link .

Link ZA is a monumental failure. Fact remains unchanged
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Bwahahahaha… read the conclusion unless you have a problem understanding English. The source actually tracks back to where TDL started and the challenges it posed. Remember, nothing came about easily. Even Bill Gates will narrate to you that windows was not easy to bring about. Will relate to you about the challenges he confronted from scratch.

You lost this one.

GAME OVER.

agaugust:


Thanks for repeating my same source in full details, the Smith research report on Link Za datalink failure, the weblink you posted still says the same FINAL CONCLUSION as we clearly read.....

The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

Nice to know SANDF got mere intercom instead of tactical data link .

Link ZA is a monumental failure. Fact remains unchanged
.

Did you read the report to the end?? Were it clearly says how initial problems were rectified?

Conclusion of the journal proves agaugust wrong.



Link ZA is success at its best.

SANDF interoperability C2 brought to you by CSIR.


https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.dodccrp-test.org/s/2014-020p.pdf

mzilakazi:


Bwahahahaha… read the conclusion unless you have a problem understanding English. The source actually tracks back to where TDL started and the challenges it posed. Remember, nothing came about easily. Even Bill Gates will narrate to you that windows was not easy to bring about. Will relate to you about the challenges he confronted from scratch.

You lost this one.

GAME OVER.

jln115:

Did you read the report to the end?? Were it clearly says how initial problems were rectified?

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I have read the whole report from first page to end page, many times again and again.

I am the one who revealed the report to you, so I read it before you, I read every page of it.

Nowhere in the report does it say anything about the data link problems being rectified.

Conclusion of the report is that LInk ZA is a failure, and SANDF has NO tactical data link, your attempt ended up as basic intercom link like Telkom or MTN can give you...

"Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

Source : Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, Pretoria, South Africa

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SANDF MOST SOPHISTICATED C2 WITH INTEROPERABLE INFRASTRUCTURE. BROUGHT TO YOU BY CSIR.

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.dodccrp-test.org/s/2014-020p.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiMwMHhrKLKAhXI7R4KHaPeC3QQFggLMAA&sig2=DpMLzjJCw5NUm0ZBEK9X0g&usg=AFQjCNFczrwb-y4QiwDJzaEGxBxEvTxnsg

agaugust:





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Nowhere in the report does it say anything about the data link problems being rectified.

Conclusion of the report is that LInk ZA is a failure, and SANDF has NO tactical data link, your attempt ended up as basic intercom link like Telkom or MTN can give you...

"Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

Source : Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, Pretoria, South Africa

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You didn't read the whole report bro!! go read it!!

Case Closed!!

agaugust:





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Nowhere in the report does it say anything about the data link problems being rectified.

Conclusion of the report is that LInk ZA is a failure, and SANDF has NO tactical data link, your attempt ended up as basic intercom link like Telkom or MTN can give you...

"Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

Source : Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, Pretoria, South Africa

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Who taught you English? When you see that guy you must never let him go until he pays back the money.

The research journal by two South Africas CSIR researchers highlighted challenges with respect to achieving interoperability for Link ZA and they resolved it by bringing up three solutions. Short, Mid and Long term. CSIR is the research council of SA that helps to design, improve and develop technology in the field of defence, security, agriculture, science and technology. Thank you dummy.

jln115:

You didn't read the whole report bro!! go read it!!

Case Closed!!

Everything page to page, word for word, I READ THAT LINK ZA RESEARCH REPORT COMPLETELY.

I am the one who first showed the report here not you Southies. All of you were seeing the report for the first time, thanks to me, I educated all of you about the classic failure of SANDF tactical data link that has been downgraded to ordinary INTERCOM....even MTN can do better.

# Link ZA data link = Basic Intercom
.

agaugust:


Everything page to page, word for word, I READ THAT LINK ZA RESEARCH REPORT COMPLETELY.

I am the one who first showed the report here not you Southies. All of you were seeing the report for the first time, thanks to me, I educated all of you about the classic failure of SANDF tactical data link that has been downgraded to ordinary INTERCOM....even MTN can do better.

# Link ZA data link = Basic Intercom
.

Nope you showed us only one page of the report bro!! It was @FighterPilot that posted the whole report.

You either haven't read the whole report or 2 you are just to embarrassed to admit that South Africa has a world class TDL system!!

FighterPilot:


That depend on the RCS of the object targeted. Gripen has an RCS of 0.1 sqm. Which is impossible to detect in that distance.

Even with an RCS the size of a dove,the gripen cannot evade a strong radio sweep and tracking system of the JF-17.At a distance of 140km,the JF-17 can effectively lock on the gripen or maneover out of electromagnetic non-visual range before the gripen even realizes its predicament.

agaugust:


There is NO SINGLE MENTION of Link ZA in that source-less source that you posted with no weblink.

The story talks about SAAF-SAN mobile communications and TELKOM.....LOL.....TELKOM is just like MTN...LOL

Thanks for proving me right.....

SANDF Tactical Data Link ZA = Basic intercom service like TELKOM and MTN according to your own source !
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Did you read the information i just provided?

Do you want to see the testimony of Admirals and Generals again?

jln115:

The SANDF were only in CAR as trainers and to protect the President, both of those objectives were achieved, we weren't there on a peacekeeping mission. Also it was the AUs view that sending more troops would only escalate the situation.

Even if Seleka didn't engage us, they would've still taken the Capital, as with the French that had a similar size force in Bangui it wasn't our objective to protect Bangui...our troops unfortunately found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time, and had to defend themselves when they came under fire from Seleka, which they did brilliantly!!

And yes, if the time comes to face Jihadist, you can count on the SANDF to be up for the fight, they have proven themselves countless times!!

- The lies we tell ourselves to sleep well at night. A president who fled and his government that fell = Objectives achieved in Soweto land of fantasies. You south-Africans are sooo delusional...... WOW!


- they would be up for a fight, is that before or after they are done stealing laptops/computers?

.... I seriously doubt they would be able to pull the trigger with there hands filled with laptops and all.

Henry240:


- The lies we tell ourselves to sleep well at night. A president who fled and his government that fell = Objectives achieved in Soweto land of fantasies. You south-Africans are sooo delusional...... WOW!


- they would be up for a fight, is that before or after they are done stealing laptops/computers?

.... I seriously doubt they would be able to pull the trigger with there hands filled with laptops and all.

Operation Morero: Special Forces unit providing personal protection for Bozizé.

Operation Vimbezel: Training of FACA and refurbishment of military facilities.

Those were our only 2 operation in CAR, both of which were a success

And having a few laptops stolen from admin buildings is nothing compared to Boko Harm who have robbed you of entire military bases.

jln115:

Operation Morero: Special Forces unit providing personal protection for Bozizé.

Operation Vimbezel: Training of FACA and refurbishment of military facilities.

Those were our only 2 operation in CAR, both of which were a success

And having a few laptops stolen from admin buildings is nothing compared to Boko Harm who have robbed you of entire military bases.

- Funny how the guy you claim to be protecting ended up in yaounde, in Cameroun. "So who were you protecting?".


- the supposed units you were training provided no resistance whatsoever to the rebels who coincidentally brushed aside SANDF special forces. So much for superior South-African training.

The supposed trainers couldn't even train themselves........ EPIC FAIL.


- COIN.... Something the SANDF clearly knows zero of. Stealing laptops...... That's the zenith of South-African Intelligence capabilities.

jln115:

Nope you showed us only one page of the report bro!! It was @FighterPilot that posted the whole report.

You either haven't read the whole report or 2 you are just to embarrassed to admit that South Africa has a world class TDL system!!

How do you prove I didnt read the whole report? You live in my house with me? None of you South Africans knew that report ever existed until I posted it to educate all of you and extract you from your day dreaming panorama about an SANDF tactical data link that does not exist in the imaginary form that your country expected and wasted millions of Rands producing.

The conclusion of the reaearch report is all that matters, many pages does not change the fact that at the end of it all...

SANDF Tactical Data Link ZA = Basic intercom service that MTN can provide at cheaper cost

FINISHED !!

agaugust:


How do you prove I didnt read the whole report? You live in my house with me? None of you South Africans knew that report ever existed until I posted it to educate all of you and extract you from your day dreaming panorama about an SANDF tactical data link that does not exist in the imaginary form that your country expected and wasted millions of Rands producing.

The conclusion of the reaearch report is all that matters, many pages does not change the fact that at the end of it all...

SANDF Tactical Data Link ZA = Basic intercom service that MTN can provide at cheaper cost

FINISHED !!

They've been bragging about a Data Link that doesn't work...... LMFAO! "How low can they sink?".

agaugust:


How do you prove I didnt read the whole report? You live in my house with me? None of you South Africans knew that report ever existed until I posted it to educate all of you and extract you from your day dreaming panorama about an SANDF tactical data link that does not exist in the imaginary form that your country expected and wasted millions of Rands producing.

The conclusion of the reaearch report is all that matters, many pages does not change the fact that at the end of it all...

SANDF Tactical Data Link ZA = Basic intercom service that MTN can provide at cheaper cost

FINISHED !!

Well if you read the report like you read my previous post, then you didn't read the whole report, so i suggest you go read my previous post again and after that read the whole report again!!

And all you did was provide a single page, but thanks to @FighterPilot your own so-called report proved everything we've been saying and disproved everything you've been saying!!

"VI. CONCLUSION

It is the findings of the authors that although the history of TDL’ in South Africa is only approximately eleven years old, the SANDF has managed to establish a very strong base for an indigenous capability in this area.


Although the development of this capability underwent growing pains , it is at a mature enough stage where the initial investment and development efforts in communication infrastructure, platforms development, data model and data transfer protocols has been justified.It is believed that the short term and long term TDL NEC development strategies described in this paper, when employed in a capability life cycle management philosophy, will enable the SANDF to realise a complete TDL capability as illustrated in Figure 1."

FINISHED!!

Henry240:


- Funny how the guy you claim to be protecting ended up in yaounde, in Cameroun. "So who were you protecting?".


- the supposed units you were training provided no resistance whatsoever to the rebels who coincidentally brushed aside SANDF special forces. So much for superior South-African training.

The supposed trainers couldn't even train themselves........ EPIC FAIL.


- COIN.... Something the SANDF clearly knows zero of. Stealing laptops...... That's the zenith of South-African Intelligence capabilities.

They brushed us a side by surrendering??

And did the President die? If your answer is NO, then we succeded!

Also we were there to train FACA, unfortunatly we cant train courage, so when they saw thousands of rebels marchying towards them they fled!

Lastly go read Helmoed Heitman's book, and educate yourself on this matter.

agaugust:


Everything page to page, word for word, I READ THAT LINK ZA RESEARCH REPORT COMPLETELY.

I am the one who first showed the report here not you Southies. All of you were seeing the report for the first time, thanks to me, I educated all of you about the classic failure of SANDF tactical data link that has been downgraded to ordinary INTERCOM....even MTN can do better.

# Link ZA data link = Basic Intercom
.

It is not by surprise you would call TDL an ordinary intercom become even intercom has never been long enough in Nigeria to know that is not installed by telecoms. Intercom are equipments which are sold over the counter not TDL.

jln115:

Nope you showed us only one page of the report bro!! It was @FighterPilot that posted the whole report.

You either haven't read the whole report or 2 you are just to embarrassed to admit that South Africa has a world class TDL system!!

The truth is bitter to swallow. Do you ever expect agaugust to easily admit a defeat. Nope, Nigerian always have this "giant of Africa" attitude of thinking that they can never be outclassed by anything in Africa. But, all Africans from Ghana and everywhere else know where Nigeria stand.

Do you know that Nigerian Military does not even have a simple C2 interoperability?

Henry240:


- Funny how the guy you claim to be protecting ended up in yaounde, in Cameroun. "So who were you protecting?".


- the supposed units you were training provided no resistance whatsoever to the rebels who coincidentally brushed aside SANDF special forces. So much for superior South-African training.

The supposed trainers couldn't even train themselves........ EPIC FAIL.


- COIN.... Something the SANDF clearly knows zero of. Stealing laptops...... That's the zenith of South-African Intelligence capabilities.

South Africans came all the way from South Africa to train you about COIN. The skill which many of them acquired from South African military and security forces. How many of their equals are still in SANDF today who have already passed that skill to us youngsters in the force? You know nothing about what you are talking about.

jln115:

Well if you read the report like you read my previous post, then you didn't read the whole report, so i suggest you go read my previous post again and after that read the whole report again!!

And all you did was provide a single page, but thanks to @FighterPilot your own so-called report proved everything we've been saying and disproved everything you've been saying!!

"VI. CONCLUSION

It is the findings of the authors that although the history of TDL’ in South Africa is only approximately eleven years old, the SANDF has managed to establish a very strong base for an indigenous capability in this area.


Although the development of this capability underwent growing pains , it is at a mature enough stage where the initial investment and development efforts in communication infrastructure, platforms development, data model and data transfer protocols has been justified.It is believed that the short term and long term TDL NEC development strategies described in this paper, when employed in a capability life cycle management philosophy, will enable the SANDF to realise a complete TDL capability as illustrated in Figure 1."

FINISHED!!

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agaugust:


Did you go to school and write exams by yourself or you paid a 'mercenary' to write exams for you to pass ?

Your story is complete grabage, the paragraph was cut off by you, you removed the top part of the paragraph, here is the full paragraph :

"Some of the reasons for interoperability inconsistencies are discussed below :

No interoperability strategy . In the requirements, specifications and development philosophies of SDPP platforms no consideration was given to utilising platforms as an integrated joint capability, thus concluding that no clear strategy or owner was driving crosscutting project capability
requirements for Network Enabled Defence.


Standard evolution . It was assumed that using a single standard would ensure interoperability between platforms. "

" The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

The paragraph is actually reporting that the reasons that made Link ZA to fail.....the second reason above is Standard Evolution...an assumed idea that was assumed will make all platforms interoperable, but it disappointed and the assumption failed !

Fool, the report says the STANDARD EVOLUTION assumption is the second reason for the failure of Link ZA, then your retaaaarded skull thinks it was a means of success.

You Southie guys CANNOT escape this embarrassment and national disappointment...

Link Za Tactical Data Link FAILED, your SANDF got mere intercom that MTN can provide cheap !!!

.

Lol

NetBean platforms users for interoperability and SANDF yet again appears to be the only military in Africa to use NetBean platforms. The kind of technology which is far from Nigeria's reach. SANDF always brashes shoulders with superpowers in the field of military technology. We really do not want to be left behind.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NetBeans-based_software

EVarn:
Even with an RCS the size of a dove,the gripen cannot evade a strong radio sweep and tracking system of the JF-17.At a distance of 140km,the JF-17 can effectively lock on the gripen or maneover out of electromagnetic non-visual range before the gripen even realizes its predicament.

Drop this subject because I can see that you are lost. Firstly, tell me what is radar cross section and how important is it for radar detection?

The lower the RCS the harder it is to detect the object at far distances.

Go and learn the basics and come back later for discussion when you are wiser and informed and stop arguing like AGAUGUST who openly said that Gripen is not human and it can't have low RCS it is said to have. Just take the basics. OK my boy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_cross-section

jln115:

They brushed us a side by surrendering??

And did the President die? If your answer is NO, then we succeded!

Also we were there to train FACA, unfortunatly we cant train courage, so when they saw thousands of rebels marchying towards them they fled!

Lastly go read Helmoed Heitman's book, and educate yourself on this matter.

By all reliable accounts SANDF special forces were brushed aside, comments Seleka spokesman confirmed to Reuters.


His government fell, and he was in Yaounde. So who were you protecting?


They fled, just like their SANDF trainers...... Training a success!

- SANDF forces defeated

- SANDF forces fled

- CAR government forces provided no resistance

- Bozize absconded to Cameroun

- Government fell

...... That's all the relevant information that's required. An apartheid glory hunter's book won't change the facts.

BH defy Buhari and General Buratai's claim.


https://www.naij.com/693061-tragedy-read-boko-haram-adamawa-yesterday.html

Henry240:


By all reliable accounts SANDF special forces were brushed aside, comments Seleka spokesman confirmed to Reuters.


His government fell, and he was in Yaounde. So who were you protecting?


They fled, just like their SANDF trainers...... Training a success!

- SANDF forces defeated

- SANDF forces fled

- CAR government forces provided no resistance

- Bozize absconded to Cameroun

- Government fell

...... That's all the relevant information that's required. An apartheid glory hunter's book won't change the facts.

SANDF mandate was not to protect CAR government from falling. You have failed before you even started with your argument. Our assignment was for training not to stop the coup or else we could have deployed 10 000 troops with heavy weapons if we were tasked to defend CAR from falling in the hands of rebels. You failed


We are yet to receive sources you promised that asserted that South African forces fled. Instead, you are waining on and on like a mad dog.

agaugust:


There is NO SINGLE MENTION of Link ZA in that source-less source that you posted with no weblink.

The story talks about SAAF-SAN mobile communications and TELKOM.....LOL.....TELKOM is just like MTN...LOL

Thanks for proving me right.....

SANDF Tactical Data Link ZA = Basic intercom service like TELKOM and MTN according to your own source !
.

The source shows that all platforms were intergrated


So now we have:

1. A report on how they were intergrated

2. A Naval officers testimony that it works

3. An SAAF officers testimony that it works

4. An SAAF publication detailing how it works


There you go, 4 seperate sources that confirm it.