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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by anonimi: 11:25pm On Jan 11, 2016

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by andychukse(m): 11:25pm On Jan 11, 2016
Finally, CBN has woken from slumber, they are the ones laundering money for the polithiefcians, imagine, they buy from CBN at 197 and sell at 250 - 270 Naira.

They should go source for FX anywhere they want, CBN should monitor FX activities of commercial banks too.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by nkowaputa(m): 11:26pm On Jan 11, 2016
gaby:
Wont this create an avenue for looted and hitherto stashed dollars to find their way back into the system whitewashed and laundered through these bdc operators since they have been licensed to source for forex themselves..

Better for us. Is it best those monies are hidden somewhere and we are suffering? In fact policies should be made to encourage stolen funds be spent here so we can have money around.

You may say I'm stupid but I am only thinking positively.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by solid3(m): 11:27pm On Jan 11, 2016
What does this autonomous source means?

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Nobody: 11:28pm On Jan 11, 2016
I am still wondering how we allowed a man who retired 30 years ago and never ran any business but rear cow to come back and become our leader.

Welcome to the cow paradise.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by bookface: 11:32pm On Jan 11, 2016
gottliebglobal:

That is the problem with armchair Economists. The laws of supply and demand should take its course, but no, Government wants to put their hands in everything and control the exchange rate. Now they have seen that the CBN cannot continue to prop up the Naira against other world currencies. Next stop, devaluation.
It is now not a question of whether to devalue or not, it is WHEN?
I project within 28 days. Watch out for $1= Naira 350

Ironically, his goal of defending the Naira is actually causing it to depreciate.

The logic is simple, by restricting the amount of dollar transactions, you actually make the dollar more valuable. It is simple law of demand and supply. A currency with high demand and low supply will go up in value. No one in their right minds will give up their dollars in exchange for naira, knowing fully well how hard it is to source foreign exchange.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Boss13: 11:35pm On Jan 11, 2016
Ngalaba1:
This is really going to be a problem for Importers... I imagine what they would be going through now...

CBN will sell dollars to genuine importers, especially if such goods are allowable into the country. We cannot fund importers to bring in tooth pick. Nigeria should not be a dumping ground

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by gottliebglobal(m): 11:36pm On Jan 11, 2016
nkowaputa:


In Aki's voice: God forbid. PMB promised us $1=#1
God has nothing to do with this. He gave us brains and the ability to think and make sound decisions, if we decide to think with our behinds, how is that God's problem ?

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by gottliebglobal(m): 11:38pm On Jan 11, 2016
bookface:


Ironically, his goal of defending the Naira is actually causing it to depreciate.

The logic is simple, by restricting the amount of dollar transactions, you actually make the dollar more valuable. It is simple law of demand and supply. A currency with high demand and low supply will go up in value. No one in their right minds will give up their dollars in exchange for naira, knowing fully well how hard it is to source foreign exchange.

I don't see anything different here from what I said.
We are saying the same thing.
Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by diva90: 11:40pm On Jan 11, 2016
Dominiquez:
I am still wondering how we allowed a man who retired 30 years ago and never ran any business but rear cow to come back and become our leader.

Welcome to the cow paradise.

Well....... he is our leader and will be our leader till 2023. So stop nagging, get used to it and accept the fact that change has come to stay

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by doctokwus: 11:43pm On Jan 11, 2016
TeOwl:
Banks also need their dollars to pay MasterCard and Visa when we use our Debit cards outside Nigeria... and they also need it to pay people that get MoneyGram and WesternUnion remittances... it is not all their dollars that they can sell to BDC.... and because of how difficult it is now for banks to get dollars, they would not be willing to sell it indiscriminately to these BDC guys...

OK.Ultimately the whole arrangement still does not support any euphoria that the naira wud improve in value.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by bookface: 11:43pm On Jan 11, 2016
gottliebglobal:

I don't see anything different here from what I said.
We are saying the same thing.

Yeah, true, we are.

I think the fair value of the Naira is probably around 310 dollars.

Smart Nigerians should invest money now in real assets - the dumbest thing anyone could do right now is letting his money rot away in a bank account somewhere.

Stagflation is coming, and it is coming big time.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Leke001: 11:55pm On Jan 11, 2016
after they have made enof moni quo?
Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by shogotermies(m): 11:55pm On Jan 11, 2016
hope this guys are not crazy, bank paste the sales of dollar for 199.5, but don't sale for the masses unless you have a valid ticket that you are traveling abroad, bureax d change now sale dollar 290 naira, we don't talk now one dumb fellow wants to stop the sale to bureax d change, so he should damn tell me what other source is he providing, cus Bank does not change dollar except you traveling out with a valid ticket. Nigerians and their I too sabi attitude, he came with Bvn law, now dollar is his priority, from you withdrawing 300dollar, it has now become 100 dollar per day to withdraw abroad, just want u guys to know that his ideas are killing the people, my own money so I can't spend my preferred amount, bank starts telling us 500 thousand naira maximum withdraw per day,. hmm buhari stop calling dangote and otedola for business meeting they are not in the real face of the market, they sit in their offices, and bullion vans brings dollar to their doorstep, they know nothing

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Yehman(m): 11:55pm On Jan 11, 2016
igboboy3:
BUHARINOMICS
Day 1: Ban all Banks from accepting dollar deposits


Day 4: Instruct all Banks to accept dollar deposits

I don't envy Emefiele at the moment. He has been forced to do a good job with a bad instrument. Northerners run the parallel market racket in this country. No matter where you go, na a.b.o.k.i dey sell dollar. Unfortunately, it is near impossible to ban them.

Nobody will deposit dollars in the banks because you can't be sure of collecting it. Everybody will keep it at home. The innocent business men who need dollars to import can't fund their industry because the BDCs have been cut off.

Which "autonomous source" does the CBN want BDCs to get dollars from? Dasuki?

Dasuki ko! Dasuki ni!
Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by 5thcolm(m): 11:55pm On Jan 11, 2016
igboboy3:
BUHARINOMICS
Day 1: Ban all Banks from accepting dollar deposits


Day 4: Instruct all Banks to accept dollar deposits

I don't envy Emefiele at the moment. He has been forced to do a good job with a bad instrument. Northerners run the parallel market racket in this country. No matter where you go, na a.b.o.k.i dey sell dollar. Unfortunately, it is near impossible to ban them.

Nobody will deposit dollars in the banks because you can't be sure of collecting it. Everybody will keep it at home. The innocent business men who need dollars to import can't fund their industry because the BDCs have been cut off.

Which "autonomous source" does the CBN want BDCs to get dollars from? Dasuki?


Why cant the innocent businessman finance import through the right channel

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Unemadu: 12:12am On Jan 12, 2016
busomma:
The banks are not helping matters as a matter of fact. I am in Washington DC as I write this. I withdrew $200 from bank of America @ the rate of N277.8/$ against official rate of N199/$.

I was charged N280 to a dollar
Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by appini: 12:17am On Jan 12, 2016
We don finally balance for one chance mode. Buhari is a confused old soldier.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by akin003(m): 12:21am On Jan 12, 2016
I was gonna quote some one, but so her head won't swell smiley


I'm not an economist or anything but based on what I think is obvious, there are multiple factors at play, albeit with its own cause and effect result.
While the official exchange rate has been pegged at #197( whether this is right or not, I can't say), BDC aren't selling at this rate, they make margins of #60/70 on a dollar which is robbery. CBN stopping sales to BDC means they have to sort elsewhere ('autonomous' I wonder where/who that is undecided), bottomline is, no free meal for the BDC as no #197 again. This might cause an increase on d black market but it won't last, majorly because banks would now trade dollars (for legitimate reasons only). Importers who the major people in need of the dollar would boycott entirely the BDC's meaning less demand for their own dollars.
Also those that have stockpiled dollars in vaults would likely bring them out in the short term, which would likely crash the price in the black market further.
I think the bottom line is this, the dollar isn't our currency, why the heck are we so keen on having it (as Nigerians in general) even as non importers.
Time would tell though, but I am fairly confident nobody as a one stop solution to fix this problem... I would take CBN govs adaptability and flexibility over those shouting devaluation as the only solution. As time goes on, the CBN would evolve better strategies to fix the loopholes generated by each policy while we pray for better oil prices in 2016.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Addicted2Women: 12:30am On Jan 12, 2016
realborn:
Very detailed and well written communique.

Summary:

- If the CBN continues to sell to the BDCs, there will be a strong strain on the foreign reserves
- Foreign reserves are dwindling due to low income.
- BDCs get the $ at 197 and sell at N250. Excess gain.
- BDCs should hustle for $ henceforth.
- BDCs should note that BigBrother is watching the hustle process.
- CBN will prioritize $ sales for Letters of Credit, import of petroleum products and other key payments
- we can now fund our domiciliary accounts directly.

Author - the CBN Governor with 9 lives!

It is well. How we wan do summer this year sef?
Hi
I wanna ask you a question
Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Ayatullah(m): 12:32am On Jan 12, 2016
Atlantian:
Hahahahaha, The Cattle rearers are on Experimentation. Who ever voted a cattle-rearer to Aso Rock should not expect anything more than cow dung.

The thing pain you well well! Now make una dey eat una dollar. Buhari don pour cow dung and cow urine for una wicked head.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by piagetskinner(m): 12:39am On Jan 12, 2016
asdfjklhaha:
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A for AGBAYA wink

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Infomizer(m): 12:48am On Jan 12, 2016
akin003:
I was gonna quote some one, but so her head won't swell smiley


I'm not an economist or anything but based on what I think is obvious, there are multiple factors at play, albeit with its own cause and effect result.
While the official exchange rate has been pegged at #197( whether this is right or not, I can't say), BDC aren't selling at this rate, they make margins of #60/70 on a dollar which is robbery. CBN stopping sales to BDC means they have to sort elsewhere ('autonomous' I wonder where/who that is undecided), bottomline is, no free meal for the BDC as no #197 again. This might cause an increase on d black market but it won't last, majorly because banks would now trade dollars (for legitimate reasons only). Importers who the major people in need of the dollar would boycott entirely the BDC's meaning less demand for their own dollars.
Also those that have stockpiled dollars in vaults would likely bring them out in the short term, which would likely crash the price in the black market further.
I think the bottom line is this, the dollar isn't our currency, why the heck are we so keen on having it (as Nigerians in general) even as non importers.
Time would tell though, but I am fairly confident nobody as a one stop solution to fix this problem... I would take CBN govs adaptability and flexibility over those shouting devaluation as the only solution. As time goes on, the CBN would evolve better strategies to fix the loopholes generated by each policy while we pray for better oil prices in 2016.
Insightful post.
Quick question please.
Before now, was it that at some point, commercial banks stopped selling to legit and qualified importers and travelers? If yes, it would explain the surge in demand, ergo, margins between what CBN sold to BDC guys and what they sold to end users.

If No, why the surge in demand then?

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by poseidon12: 12:53am On Jan 12, 2016
Arian11:
my last hope to pay my f***king fees....why are these people like this .....would start making people travel to ghana just to change currency...mtcheww

You can still pay school fees through the banks.
Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by onechance(m): 1:02am On Jan 12, 2016
The MAIN reason the US dollar is sold in the parallel market @ 266 - 283. Is because
1. The CBN handicapped commercial banks from deal with foreign exchange
2. The CBN empowered the BDC over the banks to deal foreign exchange...which is an error!
3. Excess liquidity (naira) chasing limited dollar
4. Reduction of amount of dollars given to the BDC ....from $50k to $10k
5. Drop in oil price
6. Corruption in all levels of government
7. BAD ECONOMIC POLICY .....hit back to back to back

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by solelymade: 1:05am On Jan 12, 2016
bookface:


Ironically, his goal of defending the Naira is actually causing it to depreciate.

The logic is simple, by restricting the amount of dollar transactions, you actually make the dollar more valuable. It is simple law of demand and supply. A currency with high demand and low supply will go up in value. No one in their right minds will give up their dollars in exchange for naira, knowing fully well how hard it is to source foreign exchange.

I'm tempted to go by your simple logic, which in itself self is correct given we believe the frivolous demand created for the dollar bills remain.
But really I will have none of it of every Tom, Dick, and Harry place unnecessary demand for the dollar bills by importing whatever they feel necessary into the country.

Every industry will look inwardly into the deepest corners of the country to source for some raw material component instead of going through the rigorous process of getting the hard currencies to import product components.

Really with Nigerians, these measures and foreseeable predicted reactions which remains subjective to each person aren't sacrosanct
Bless you

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Nobody: 1:14am On Jan 12, 2016
Atlantian:
Hahahahaha, The Cattle rearers are on Experimentation. Who ever voted a cattle-rearer to Aso Rock should not expect anything more than cow dung.
common sense u no get. So it is buhari that makes these policies? Or it was buhari that had the Ex CBN gov and replaced with the current 1?
Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by solelymade: 1:15am On Jan 12, 2016
akin003:
I was gonna quote some one, but so her head won't swell smiley


I'm not an economist or anything but based on what I think is obvious, there are multiple factors at play, albeit with its own cause and effect result.
While the official exchange rate has been pegged at #197( whether this is right or not, I can't say), BDC aren't selling at this rate, they make margins of #60/70 on a dollar which is robbery. CBN stopping sales to BDC means they have to sort elsewhere ('autonomous' I wonder where/who that is undecided), bottomline is, no free meal for the BDC as no #197 again. This might cause an increase on d black market but it won't last, majorly because banks would now trade dollars (for legitimate reasons only). Importers who the major people in need of the dollar would boycott entirely the BDC's meaning less demand for their own dollars.
Also those that have stockpiled dollars in vaults would likely bring them out in the short term, which would likely crash the price in the black market further.
I think the bottom line is this, the dollar isn't our currency, why the heck are we so keen on having it (as Nigerians in general) even as non importers.
Time would tell though, but I am fairly confident nobody as a one stop solution to fix this problem... I would take CBN govs adaptability and flexibility over those shouting devaluation as the only solution. As time goes on, the CBN would evolve better strategies to fix the loopholes generated by each policy while we pray for better oil prices in 2016.
Your comment reeks optimism. Good

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by millhouse: 1:35am On Jan 12, 2016
igboboy3:
BUHARINOMICS
Day 1: Ban all Banks from accepting dollar deposits


Day 4: Instruct all Banks to accept dollar deposits

I don't envy Emefiele at the moment. He has been forced to do a good job with a bad instrument. Northerners run the parallel market racket in this country. No matter where you go, na a.b.o.k.i dey sell dollar. Unfortunately, it is near impossible to ban them.

Nobody will deposit dollars in the banks because you can't be sure of collecting it. Everybody will keep it at home. The innocent business men who need dollars to import can't fund their industry because the BDCs have been cut off.

Which "autonomous source" does the CBN want BDCs to get dollars from? Dasuki?

funny
Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Nuahall2k14(m): 1:53am On Jan 12, 2016
plds wil this make d exchange rate go down...wen i use my gtbank mastercard here dey charge me at 280 to a dollar..tot dat was only at parallel market..why dnt banks charge customers at cbn rate

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by GenOrumov: 2:09am On Jan 12, 2016
If CBN says they sell $60,000 weekly to BDC's @ N197 and they in turn sell it @ N260 - N270, that means they can make up to N4.2m weekly.

That is some cool cash on a weekly basis for doing almost nothing.Therefore banning them at this point is the way to go.

Since $167 million per week will be saved weekly now, i believe it will be channeled to the following sets of genuine needs -
· Matured Letters of Credit from Commercial Banks
· Importation of Petroleum Products
· Importation of critical Raw Materials, Plants, and Equipment, and
· Payments for School Fees, BTA, PTA, and related expenses

Despite my displeasure in CBN policy instability since the time of Sanusi, this is the best decision so far in the face of current economic realities.

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Re: CBN Stops Sales Of Forex To Bureax-De-Change by Wallie(m): 2:12am On Jan 12, 2016
Too many people are over analyzing the situation.
Here's a simple explanation:

1. Nigerians need dollars to buy stuff abroad.
2. Nigeria only prints Naira.
3. Nigeria has to sell something that pays in dollars so that they earn dollars.
4. Oil pays in dollars but we don't make as much money anymore.
5. Regardless of the price of oil, people still need to buy stuff abroad and pay in dollars.

6. You now go to DBCs and banks to buy dollars with your Naira that wouldn't be accepted abroad.
7. BDCs and banks tell you that they don't have dollars to sell for whatever reason.
8. You go to the black market to buy dollars but law of supply vs demand takes over, and you end up paying a crazy exchange rate.

All cbn is trying to do now is to get the dollars closer to consumers instead of DBCs with the hope that it will alleviate some of the noise.

Here's my take: it won't work unless the CBN (1) reduces demand, and/or (2) earns more dollars by selling more stuff abroad. The cbn governor tried to reduce demand buy stopping people for using debit cards for legitimate reasons and that's a mistake. With this new policy, the Cbn probably hopes that selling dollars directly to customers through banks will curb large scale hoarding by rich people wanting to hold their nairas in dollars but the solution will only work temporarily.

The simple non-punitive solution is to earn more dollars by exporting more. The fast punitive solution is to devalue Naira so that people will become poorer and would in turn buy less dollars.

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