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| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:12pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
PastorAIO: So how has Science taught us to solve that problem? You think it can be all deception? |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 4:34pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
joseph1013: I don't think 'science' has addressed that problem. I think that all knowledge is necessarily illusory, yes. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:38pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
PastorAIO: Then it suffices to say that you think that all that Science has achieved through its rigorous weighing of the evidence in our natural world is mere illusion? |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:47pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
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| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 10:07am On Dec 30, 2015 |
FOR THEISTS WHO DON'T GET IT Believing in God is a belief. Not believing in God is not. Clear now? 2 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:12am On Jan 01, 2016 |
PASSOVER SERVICE Passover service — the night when locals in a particular locality believe the year is ending all over the globe when in reality, it's only their local experience. And they gather to pray because a Roman unbeliever, by the name of Julius Caesar, sometime long ago, told them to believe that a year has ended. 3 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:44pm On Jan 04, 2016 |
[b]SCAMMY BUT FUNNY NARRATIVE Even though it's a scam, the narrative is a very funny one. January 2015: You worship the Creator of the whole universe. He's your Father & He's the Owner of everything. He will open gates of abundance for you this year. This year, He has decided to elevate you above your expectations and nothing can stop Him. Just believe! December 2015: You feel disappointed because this year was not what you expected. Nothing just seemed to work for you. You look back & it's all regrets. Well, it's because your faith wasn't strong enough or you didn't do the right things in the year. Next year is another opportunity. Or it may be that God wants to teach you some lessons. Don't worry. Wait for God's time because God's time is the best. ****************** You see now? In January, they get you all pumped up & in December, they blame you for the disaster. And the cycle, the January-December cycle, the expectation-disappointment cycle, repeats over & over again, year-in-year-out. It's time to break it. You're told that in faith, you can imagine anything & achieve anything but that's not true. While I'm not trying to make you pessimistic, you need to know that you can't just fantasize anything into existence. Doing that will make your expectations about the year too high leading to disappointment in December. One of the things about goals is that they have to be REALISTIC. Because they told you to use your faith for something beyond you doesn't mean you should fantasize rising from abject poverty in January to multi-billion dollar accounts in December. You will be disappointed when you still find yourself in abject poverty in December. Wake up & get out of Disney Dreamland! The key to not feeling let down in December is to be realistic with your expectations for the year in January. While it's possible that extraordinary things happen, they're usually not planned or expected. Most successful people planned their gradual journeys upwards only gradually & the very few that became genuine overnight successes (excluding the fraudulent ones) actually didn't plan or expect it. Have a reasonable & realistic 2016 ahead![/b] |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by geesampower(m): 6:40pm On Jan 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO:I understand you. Believe is subjective to the believer, that is a very valid point and irrefutable. You the believer or unbeliever of whatever, solely determine when you think you have enough evidence or conviction to believe whatever... BUT the mose critical man is more likely to sieve out deception or misinformation than the impressionable man. Key is be critical as much as possible but not to the extent of being grounded from taking necessary actions per time |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by geesampower(m): 8:56pm On Jan 04, 2016 |
Wrap your mind round it. Existence is bigger than any religion. The earth is infinitesimally smaller than a grain of sand in a beach. Live your life to the fullest today for tomorrow you are gone. All you've got for sure is now. What people say about you does not matter one bit. You are not going to be here for long 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:26pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
[b]WHY TALK ABOUT PASTORPRENEURS? Why should I leave them alone? Have they left us alone? Few weeks ago, Daddy G. O. of RCCG said the following words on live TV 'The reason why we're still collecting offerings from you is to get you out of poverty'. That's an insult on the sensibility of the 75% of Nigerians living below the poverty line, a population that's only increasing by the day. There are 3 classes of people who contribute to the poverty of others 1) fraudsters (yahoo yahoo, 419) 2) politicians who plunder our common wealth, and 3) the pastorpreneurs (& their colleagues like fake alternative healers) Fraudsters have no friends. Everybody agree that they should be jailed. But politicians & pastorpreneurs are special people because no matter how blatant their activities are, they will get support from a large population of people, a luxury fraudsters aren't entitled to. Fraudsters also don't do large-scale heists. Per time, they can only dupe a single individual or a small group of individuals a few millions of Naira or so. But it takes a politician or celebrity pastorpreneur to rob the whole population! But the pastorpreneurs are worse. At least, a large section of the population will agree that a politician has done something wrong and should be prosecuted by us but a pastorpreneur's condition isn't like that: a pastorpreneur is believed to better be left to be judged by God. Also the politicians actually don't collect money from your hands. The money embezzled by a politician hasn't entered your hands yet: it's either it's meant to later enter your hands or meant to make life better for you. But the one pastorpreneurs collect from you is directly from your hands. That's worse. Pastorpreneurs live luxuriously lives. Some of them are richer than owners of legitimate multinational companies. All of them were very poor before they started these ministries (of finance & commerce). Where did they get their money? Did the money drop from the skies or germinate from the ground? Isn't it disheartening that the money for their own celebrity status has come from pockets of their poor followers? Imagine asking poor civil servants to drop their whole January salaries (that's going to happen in a few days time). But their effect is even worse. They give false prophecies, cause mass hysteria, make false miracle claims, make people mentally lazy by drowning them in fantasies, dull people's sense of urgency by making them feel 'all is well' when it's obviously not, provide a safe abode for corrupt politicians, outrightly contribute to the corruption, etc. So while we're talking about the politicians, we should also remember their cousins, the pastorpreneurs. Why they're cousins won't be strange to those who know the history behind organized religion.[/b] 2 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 2:56pm On Jan 06, 2016 |
[b]DWELLING ON ABSURDITIES This post on Pastor Adeboye's wall just reminded me of when I used to just listen to this stuff without thinking: ''Africa Map is like a gun, rotating it clockwise, you have Nigeria at the trigger point. Nigeria is the point where the gospel of Christ will be spread throughout the world. Shout amen somebody!!!'' LOL!! I don hear this thing tire. The things religious people come up with. I guess when we shoot, South Africa comes out as the bullet innit? Actually, the African Continent is shaped like a chicken. If you notice, Nigeria is where the arse is. That's where all the shit comes out from! We seriously need to get serious about building a society instead of dwelling in all sorts of absurdities. When this continent was formed, guns were millions of years in the future. If any creator was looking for a shape then, it won't be to shape the continent as a pistol. We must learn to think before we become chickens. This whole craziness religious leaders keep dumping on us says more about us than about them. It shows how opportunistic they are and how daft we are.[/b] 1 Like |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:00pm On Jan 08, 2016 |
NEW YEAR MESSAGE I have a New Year message for all Nigerians who were persistently indoctrinated throughout their childhood years to believe magical stories of gods, spirits, heaven and eternal torture and were pressurised as adults to respect the rules and rituals of these fantasy stories. If you have resolved to think about these stories, if you have tested them against evidence and found them wanting and have rejected them entirely so they no long have any hold over you, I say congratulations! Well done, you have joined millions who have made the same journey and who help to make the planet more reasonable and less divided. If you haven't done these things, don't worry you have another year ahead of you. There is still time... 2015 was a great year. 2016 can be greater. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:48am On Jan 11, 2016 |
OLAMIDE REMIX Every money you dropped in church is a hit. Back to back. From tithes, to offerings, to vows, to pledges. Yet no way out of poverty. F**k that shiii....iyalaya anybody. Dropping money in church o jawo mọ, using your common sense ti take over. Leave trash for lawma Me: Ẹ̀gbọ́n giver, if you want brain, come & collect ooooo.  3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:46am On Jan 12, 2016 |
THE EVIDENCE OF GOD IN MY LIFE If you are terribly sick and pray to God/Jesus and get better, does that prove God/Jesus exists? If you are terribly sick and pray to Vishnu and get better, does that prove Vishnu exists? If you are terribly sick and pray to no god and get better, does that prove no god exists? Since the answers to these questions are transparently obvious, even to the most befuddled believer, why do any believers ever use such pointless arguments? Why? 2 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vitaltruth55: 12:49pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
Any time you share a concept and it is succeeded with an argument it is falsehood. the truth lacks argument. all mankind believe in everything physical because it is the truth. when everything spiritual causes disbelieve it is a lie. be honest. God wants people to serve him in spirit and truth means the spiritual divisions should be harmonized and agreed by all as it is the practice in the physical. argue this and I will tell you this position is a lie. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:50pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
vitaltruth55: Did God tell you this? |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vitaltruth55: 5:21pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
joseph1013:puncture it. it is about issues. you dont need me to tell you who told me. when served a plate of food do you ask of the farmer that harvested the food. assess the food if it is bad throw it away. if it is good you can't do without it. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:47pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
vitaltruth55: Puncture what exactly? I will be honest: what you wrote was incoherent. What I could get out of it was what I highlighted. Please this time, explain your issues more clearly. 1 Like |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vitaltruth55: 6:02pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
[quote author=joseph1013 post=41909982] Puncture what exactly? I will be honest: what you wrote was incoherent. What I could get out of it was what I highlighted. Please this time, explain your issues more clearly.[/quo when you state a claim, if it is the truth it can't be argued with. we all believe a car is a car because we all can see it. no argument follows. abstract ness that is TRUE ought to be so. incoherence of abstractness is relative because you must see to believe. |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:38pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
vitaltruth55: What exactly is your point? Are you saying physical evidence is the only evidence? |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 7:06am On Jan 13, 2016 |
WE ASK FOR ONLY ONE THING We have heard talk enough. We have listened to all the drowsy, idealess, vapid sermons that we wish to hear. We have read your Bible and the works of your best minds. We have heard your prayers, your solemn groans and your reverential amens. All these amount to less than nothing. We want one fact. We beg at the doors of your churches for just one little fact. We pass our hats along your pews and under your pulpits and implore you for just one fact. We know all about your mouldy wonders and your stale miracles. We want a this year's fact. We ask only one. Give us one fact for charity. Your miracles are too ancient. The witnesses have been dead for nearly two thousand years. ~ Robert Green Ingersoll, "The Gods" (1872) I CAN"T STOP LAUGHING AFTER READING THIS .. ROBERT WAS TRULY A GENIUS 2 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by urahara(m): 11:19am On Jan 13, 2016 |
malvisguy212: It's a choice you love Lord Krishna or you reject him 1 Like |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 12:49pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
[b]THE FIRST FRUIT SCAM: LOADING... I met a young woman a few days ago. Young woman, struggling to put herself through school. He salary per month is 30 thousand naira. She is only 25. She had attended different churches and had decided to settle at a particular one somewhere in town. When I met her she had a worried look and was complaining bitterly of being broke, of January being a month she dreads almost every year since she started fending for herself. Her January salary does not belong to her but to church. You see, there is a practice at her church. Every year you give your first salary to God as your first fruit. It has abundant blessings attached to it. You are not giving it to the pastor. Nah. You're giving it to God. She said further that the pastor had told them if they didn't drop their January salary, God would read the action as defiance and ungratefulness for the previous year's blessing and and impediment for the current year's blessing. She was quite sure there is no other way to get money to survive the month but she trusts God to provide. Had God provided in the previous years? Hmmm. He had. It was very very tough, but somehow, she did survive. She would rather not go through all that stress but God has to be obeyed. Why are Nigerian pastors doing this to helpless people? This is another January, you don't have to give your salary to anybody. It's yours. You worked for it. It is not a blessing. It's the reward for your hard work. Save some. Sort out the rest of your life with the rest. As long as you work hard and work smart "God" will continue to 'bless' you. He doesn't need your January salary. It's your pastor who is scamming you. God doesn't need or want your money. First Fruit is simply a scam. Mention any person in the FORBES 100 richest people on earth who gives First Fruits. First Fruit is a scam! Be wise![/b] 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:38pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
[b]MUSLIMS, PLEASE EXPLAIN APOSTASY LAWS In 22 countries, you can be punished for leaving your religion (apostasy). These countries are all Islamic (or Islamic areas of multi-faith countries). Punishments range from loss of inheritance rights and enforced loss of family, to flogging, imprisonment and execution. Execution is mandatory, or possible, in 11 of these countries. The Qu'ran makes it clear that apostasy is an offence that warrants a serious punishment but it is ambiguous as to what that punishment should be. Muhammad is said in Hadiths to have killed many apostates. My question to Muslims is this, how do you justify ANY penalty for apostasy? Why are Muslims not free to leave Islam according to their conscience (as Christians are free to leave Christianity)? How do you even know how many Muslims there are in the world if people are afraid of declaring they have renounced their religion? Is this not such a huge flaw in Islam as to render it an unacceptable religion? Muslims, please explain why you remain Muslims, is it fear or do you believe apostasy laws are justified?[/b] 2 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:18am On Jan 15, 2016 |
A BETTER WAY OF PROPHESYING... Instead of going far, why not just prophesy something that would happen in a few days' time & would have a national consequence? Wouldn't we be happy if Daddy G.O. or Sir TB Joshua on January 1, 2016 had said: 'My Daddy says the 2016 Budget will disappear without a trace in 12 days' time but it will be recovered after a week'? Wouldn't that be a bigger sign of receiving revelations directly from the Almighty? Instead of that, what do we have? 'There will be a major political event in the country in 2016'. Well, looking at it though, the missing budget is a major political event sha (as well as the arrest of Olisah Metuh). LOL |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by robosky02(m): 11:24am On Jan 15, 2016 |
joseph1013: wisdom demands you speak with discretion right |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:43am On Jan 15, 2016 |
robosky02: Are you scared of what would happen if you call out their hypocrisy? 2 Likes |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 10:32am On Jan 20, 2016 |
[b]GOD'S GREATEST OPPORTUNITY God does not give us everything we need on a plate. That's not how it works. God gives us opportunity. And what an extraordinary opportunity it is. When the people around you believe in God, they also believe in a perplexing and unpredictable supernatural realm which contains a cast of powerful characters. These characters take an interest in our daily lives and may wish us good or ill. People know there is little they can do to influence these supernatural beings, even less to control them. Yet they believe these beings can make the difference between a happy and successful life or a poor and desperate one. This is where the opportunity comes in. People accept that the supernaturals offer a special relationship with certain humans. They may allow these favoured humans some insight into their impenetrable minds or they may be more likely to answer their prayers. Sometimes favoured humans will be given prophetic information unavailable to the rest of us. They may even be given supernatural powers, such as the power to heal. The great opportunity I speak of, is to become a favoured human yourself. If you do, you will find unfavoured people will place great confidence in you and will be generous with their donations. After all, you are their path to obtaining help from the supernatural realm and protection from its malevolence. Don't worry if you have no favoured status with any supernatural beings--you really don't need it. A proportion of your prophecies are bound to come true (especially if you don't make them too unlikely) and, statistically, some of your prayers will be successful. Focus on the successes and forget the failures. This is confirmation bias and it works especially well when people really want you to be a favoured human. Which they do. Emphasise the vital need for faith and hold regular meetings with plenty of emotional music, solemn rituals and opportunities for group bonding. If you can run to fancy gold and silver clothes, a distinctive hat and an impressive building, so much the better. The unfavoured will flock to you and love you. For the few who are still not sure, there is the Armageddon weapon--the afterlife. Most people who believe in the supernatural realm also believe in an eternal afterlife which can be horrific or blissful. Even people who have done well in life and don't really need your day-to-day help, certainly need all the help they can get to avoid the horrific version of the afterlife. So make sure you tell them you hold the key to a good afterlife. After all, there's no way for them to prove you wrong! Even if one religion out of the tens of thousands that have existed is true, this is how all the others have worked. False religions have survived and been "successful", some for thousands of years, using just this simple system. It keeps the unfavoured people happy and the "favoured" people even happier. But is even one religion true? Here's the thing, despite the strenuous efforts of very many smart people over thousands of years, no one has ever been able to show there is a supernatural realm, just as we have not been able to show there is any form of afterlife. These are beliefs that arose during the infancy of our species. So, if you are tempted to take up this opportunity, I do not recommend it. Posing as something you are not and accepting money from people based on promises you cannot be sure will be kept is simply dishonest. Religion is a way to redistribute wealth from the needy to the dishonest. No, the real opportunity is to expose those who mislead people to obtain their living and to encourage the "unfavoured" to keep their money in their pockets. That won't make you rich, but it should help you sleep easily at night.[/b] |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:00pm On Jan 21, 2016 |
FIVE PRAYERS THAT MATTER THE MOST Here are five things that God could do if he really hates to see children suffering. He wouldn't even have to raise an eyebrow to make these simple things happen. So, religious folk, please pray for these things, ask your pastor and church to pray for them too. If enough people of all religions do this, it wouldn't even be testing God because we would never know whose prayers were answered. 1. No more babies born with congenital organ defects. 2. Earthquakes, volcanoes and tsunamis only to occur where there is no risk to children. 3. Make it impossible for children to develop cancer. 4. Soften the hearts of Boko Haram so they return all the kidnapped children and never harm any children again. 5. Children love dinosaurs, so bring them back! (Only kidding!) If God ignores all our prayers, you should ask yourself why. Does he lack the power? Does he lack compassion? Does he exist? |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:15am On Jan 23, 2016 |
THE HYPOCRISY OF OPINIONS Sign at the entrance of a hospital: WE CARE BUT GOD HEALS People's opinion about the signpost: Correct ✔ Sign at the entrance of an automechanic workshop: WE TRY BUT GOD REPAIRS People's opinion about the signpost: Wrong [size=14pt]x[/size] So why do people think the hospital signpost is correct but the automechanic signpost is wrong? 1 Like |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:52am On Jan 24, 2016 |
MAKE A NEW JANUARY RESOLUTION... Some of you will start getting your first salaries of 2016 as from next week. Make a good new year resolution. Don't give tithes to the pastorpreneurs. Give your tithes to the poor around instead. If there's someone around you who is yet to pay his school fees or have something to eat this morning & you take all that money to give in church, I declare that you receive abundant sense today! Tithes won't make you richer as you might have, of course, noticed over time. Tithes only make the pastorpreneur richer. Instead, use your tithes to lift a fellow out of poverty today. Calculate your tithes for this whole year. Then multiply it by the number of your colleagues in the church. Imagine if all that money goes into circulation as donations to help the needy. Imagine how happy the society would've been.... 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:05pm On Jan 25, 2016 |
[b]IT'S ALL IN YOUR MIND! On Saturday, a motor accident involving an 18-seater bus happened & Mr. Kunle was the only survivor. Everybody else perished in the bus. Yesterday, he was in church thanking God for sparing his life. At the altar, he said 'I'm the only one that survived the fatal accident. It could only have been God that saved my life. God must have a special purpose for my life. Please, people of God, help me thank God!'. On Saturday, a motor accident involving an 18-seater bus happened & Mrs. Smith was the only survivor. Her husband & 3 children perished in the accident. Yesterday, she was not in church thanking God for sparing her life. She remained in her house & so didn't go to the altar to say, 'I'm the only one that survived the fatal accident. It could only have been God that saved my life. God must have a special purpose for my life. Please, people of God, help me thank God!'. What's the difference between Mr. Kunle & Mrs. Smith? Moral of the story: What you make of God's actions (or inactions) is a product of your vain, volatile mind & desires. IT'S ALL IN YOUR MIND![/b] 9 Likes 3 Shares |
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