Henry240:


-14 dead, fleeing, and a fall of a government = beating


- "Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African
Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after
taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels,
Reuters reports."..... Here!





- Nigerian troops dominate the entire N.E!

Herny just give it up

You can repeat yourself all you want

Fact is your Army fled from 46 towns and cities.

I would say your amy had had 46 Bangui's... but thay would imply your men actually fought and met objectives

agaugust:


Did you go to school and write exams by yourself or you paid a 'mercenary' to write exams for you to pass ?

Your story is complete grabage, the paragraph was cut off by you, you removed the top part of the paragraph, here is the full paragraph :

"Some of the reasons for interoperability inconsistencies are discussed below :

No interoperability strategy . In the requirements, specifications and development philosophies of SDPP platforms no consideration was given to utilising platforms as an integrated joint capability, thus concluding that no clear strategy or owner was driving crosscutting project capability
requirements for Network Enabled Defence.


Standard evolution . It was assumed that using a single standard would ensure interoperability between platforms. "

" The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

The paragraph is actually reporting that the reasons that made Link ZA to fail.....the second reason above is Standard Evolution...an assumed idea that was assumed will make all platforms interoperable, but it disappointed and the assumption failed !

Fool, the report says the STANDARD EVOLUTION assumption is the second reason for the failure of Link ZA, then your retaaaarded skull thinks it was a means of success.

You Southie guys CANNOT escape this embarrassment and national disappointment...

Link Za Tactical Data Link FAILED, your SANDF got mere intercom that MTN can provide cheap !!!

.

Operational use of Link-ZA has been outlined

Your childishness never ceases to amaze me.

agaugust:


There is NOTHING in your weblink that says Link Za works as a TDL, your weblink is talking about a book on SANDF data link for sale online at $4, there is NO PLACE where it says your data link succeeded.

SANDF is fückïng around with INTERCOM that TELKOM & MTN can provide, ya gat no tactical data link Za, ya gotta basic intercom expanded on your equipment

FINITO, case closed.

Case closed?

So were the generals and officers telling lies then?

Henry240:


It's in quotes dummy....... The events that transpired after the encounter is all the evidence i require.

- SANDF troops brushed aside

- SANDF troops flee

- SELEKA takes over bangui.

Where does it say that?

How is a 13 hour battle "brushed aside"?

How is holding our base and getting a seleka cease fire fleeing?

agaugust:


Thanks for repeating my same source in full details, the Smith research report on Link Za datalink failure, the weblink you posted still says the same FINAL CONCLUSION as we clearly read.....

The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

Nice to know SANDF got mere intercom instead of tactical data link .

Link ZA is a monumental failure. Fact remains unchanged
.

Fact is that it was used during the world cup

Fact is you are quoting an article written on how it was intergrated

Fact is we have shown you this

Fact is that Link-ZA has been causing you much jealousy and this is your pathetic attempt to undermine it

This is no different than your "falling bomb" and "mountain air" episodes.... you ignore all evidence except for that which fits into your world veiw

agaugust:


Everything page to page, word for word, I READ THAT LINK ZA RESEARCH REPORT COMPLETELY.

I am the one who first showed the report here not you Southies. All of you were seeing the report for the first time, thanks to me, I educated all of you about the classic failure of SANDF tactical data link that has been downgraded to ordinary INTERCOM....even MTN can do better.

# Link ZA data link = Basic Intercom
.

Read the report

Henry240:


- The lies we tell ourselves to sleep well at night. A president who fled and his government that fell = Objectives achieved in Soweto land of fantasies. You south-Africans are sooo delusional...... WOW!


- they would be up for a fight, is that before or after they are done stealing laptops/computers?

.... I seriously doubt they would be able to pull the trigger with there hands filled with laptops and all.

Henry120 is still tryinv to create a mission for the SANDF that never existed

Henry240:


- Funny how the guy you claim to be protecting ended up in yaounde, in Cameroun. "So who were you protecting?".


- the supposed units you were training provided no resistance whatsoever to the rebels who coincidentally brushed aside SANDF special forces. So much for superior South-African training.

The supposed trainers couldn't even train themselves........ EPIC FAIL.


- COIN.... Something the SANDF clearly knows zero of. Stealing laptops...... That's the zenith of South-African Intelligence capabilities.

- Is he alive? Then he was protetected

- ask the 400 dead seleka about our training

- thay wasnt COIN

This is so dull... so boring.

agaugust:


How do you prove I didnt read the whole report? You live in my house with me? None of you South Africans knew that report ever existed until I posted it to educate all of you and extract you from your day dreaming panorama about an SANDF tactical data link that does not exist in the imaginary form that your country expected and wasted millions of Rands producing.

The conclusion of the reaearch report is all that matters, many pages does not change the fact that at the end of it all...

SANDF Tactical Data Link ZA = Basic intercom service that MTN can provide at cheaper cost

FINISHED !!

If that is whay you think, then:

A. You havent read the whole report

B. You have read it, but are too embarrassed to admit you were wrong

C. You have read it and dont understand it

My money is on Option C

Henry240:


They've been bragging about a Data Link that doesn't work...... LMFAO! "How low can they sink?".

So it doesn't work despite senior officers telling us it does and outlining how it was going to be used??

Henry240:


By all reliable accounts SANDF special forces were brushed aside, comments Seleka spokesman confirmed to Reuters.


His government fell, and he was in Yaounde. So who were you protecting?


They fled, just like their SANDF trainers...... Training a success!

- SANDF forces defeated

- SANDF forces fled

- CAR government forces provided no resistance

- Bozize absconded to Cameroun

- Government fell

...... That's all the relevant information that's required. An apartheid glory hunter's book won't change the facts.

Henry is getting desperate...

Seleka rebels raise the white flag.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-21923624

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/central-african-republic-president-flees-to-cameroon/2013/03/25/94cb9870-957c-11e2-b6f0-a5150a247b6a_story.html

http://allafrica.com/stories/201303251307.html

Henry240:


By all reliable accounts SANDF special forces were brushed aside, comments Seleka spokesman confirmed to Reuters.


His government fell, and he was in Yaounde. So who were you protecting?


They fled, just like their SANDF trainers...... Training a success!

- SANDF forces defeated

- SANDF forces fled

- CAR government forces provided no resistance

- Bozize absconded to Cameroun

- Government fell

...... That's all the relevant information that's required. An apartheid glory hunter's book won't change the facts.

According to Reuters?? The same people that said we took heavy losses!!

You see bro, that's why I keep on telling you to read Helmoed Heitman's book, its extremely detailed, and unlike what you believe, not biased in the slightest..... Hell if you don't want to download it yourself, I'll fvcking email it to you.

But untill you read the book, you don't even have a slightest idee what happened on CAR.

patches689:

The source shows that all platforms were intergrated


So now we have:

1. A report on how they were intergrated

2. A Naval officers testimony that it works

3. An SAAF officers testimony that it works

4. An SAAF publication detailing how it works


There you go, 4 seperate sources that confirm it.

Yes, Link ZA works like basic intercom service that a telephone company like Globacom can provide. SANDF data link is in operation, integrated but downgraded to basic intercom level, so sad, so pathetic

# SHATTERED DREAMS
.

jln115:


Well if you read the report like you read my previous post, then you didn't read the whole report, so i suggest you go read my previous post again and after that read the whole report again!!

And all you did was provide a single page, but thanks to @FighterPilot your own so-called report proved everything we've been saying and disproved everything you've been saying!!

"VI. CONCLUSION

It is the findings of the authors that although the history of TDL’ in South Africa is only approximately eleven years old, the SANDF has managed to establish a very strong base for an indigenous capability in this area.


Although the development of this capability underwent growing pains , it is at a mature enough stage where the initial investment and development efforts in communication infrastructure, platforms development, data model and data transfer protocols has been justified.It is believed that the short term and long term TDL NEC development strategies described in this paper, when employed in a capability life cycle management philosophy, will enable the SANDF to realise a complete TDL capability as illustrated in Figure 1."

FINISHED!!

Blah blah bubble gibber gibberish !!!!

Yöür own source kïllëd yöür gibberish and desperado argument, see what you quoted, it says if SANDF follows the recommendations of Mr.Smith over a long life cycle period, it will enable SA to have a complete data link.....meaning that today SANDF does NOT have a complete data link, what you have is EXPENSIVE BASIC INTERCOM...


"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

Source: Year 2011 research/report
http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF Link ZA is an 80% failure, army, navy, air force CANNOT communicate with each other !

Even Gripen CANNOT communicate with Hawk, it can only use the data link Gripen to Gripen.

SAAF cannot use the FAKE tactical data link to send messages to SANDF artillery !

Link ZA ia a failure, South Africa DOES NOT have a functioning fully integrated Tactical Data Link !

FINAL CONCLUSION
.

agaugust:


Yes, Link ZA works like basic intercom service that a telephone company like Globacom can provide. SANDF data link is in operation, integrated but downgraded to basic intercom level, so sad, so pathetic

# SHATTERED DREAMS
.




Blah blah bubble gibber gibberish !!!!

Yöür own source kïllëd yöür gibberish and desperado argument, see what you quoted, 1. it says if SANDF follows the recommendations of Mr.Smith over a long life cycle period, it will enable SA to have a complete data link.....meaning that today SANDF does NOT have a complete data link, what you have is EXPENSIVE BASIC INTERCOM...


"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

Source: Year 2011 research/report
http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF Link ZA is an 80% failure, army, navy, air force CANNOT communicate with each other !

Even Gripen CANNOT communicate with Hawk, it can only use the data link Gripen to Gripen.

SAAF cannot use the FAKE tactical data link to send messages to SANDF artillery !

Link ZA ia a failure, South Africa DOES NOT have a functioning fully integrated Tactical Data Link !

FINAL CONCLUSION
.

hahaha you been wrecked so hard that you've started going delusional!!

No where does it say we have to follow the recommendations of Mr Smith it says we should continue the with the methods we have already implminted, Also your source is from 2011, which means all the the glitches have been ironed out quite a while back already!!


"VI. CONCLUSION

It is the findings of the authors that although the history of TDL’ in South Africa is only approximately eleven years old, the SANDF has managed to establish a very strong base for an indigenous capability in this area


Although the development of this capability underwent growing pains , it is at a mature enough stage where the initial investment and development efforts in communication infrastructure, platforms development, data model and data transfer protocols has been justified.It is believed that the short term and long term TDL NEC development strategies described in this paper, when employed in a capability life cycle management philosophy, will enable the SANDF to realise a complete TDL capability as illustrated in Figure 1."

FINAL CONCLUSION!

agaugust:


Yes, Link ZA works like basic intercom service that a telephone company like Globacom can provide. SANDF data link is in operation, integrated but downgraded to basic intercom level, so sad, so pathetic

# SHATTERED DREAMS
.




Blah blah bubble gibber gibberish !!!!

Yöür own source kïllëd yöür gibberish and desperado argument, see what you quoted, it says if SANDF follows the recommendations of Mr.Smith over a long life cycle period, it will enable SA to have a complete data link.....meaning that today SANDF does NOT have a complete data link, what you have is EXPENSIVE BASIC INTERCOM...


"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

Source: Year 2011 research/report
http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF Link ZA is an 80% failure, army, navy, air force CANNOT communicate with each other !

Even Gripen CANNOT communicate with Hawk, it can only use the data link Gripen to Gripen.

SAAF cannot use the FAKE tactical data link to send messages to SANDF artillery !

Link ZA ia a failure, South Africa DOES NOT have a functioning fully integrated Tactical Data Link !

FINAL CONCLUSION
.

Augustus

1. The report is written about how it was intergrated.

2. SAAF General told us about how they were using it

3. SAN Admiral told us about how they were going to use it

4. SANDF publication outlined its use during 2010


You can keep repeating yourself, and I can keep repeating myself.

So, how about for once you admit you were wrong and lets move on shall we??

patches689:



Augustus

1. The report is written about how it was intergrated.

2. SAAF General told us about how they were using it

3. SAN Admiral told us about how they were going to use it

4. SANDF publication outlined its use during 2010


You can keep repeating yourself, and I can keep repeating myself.

So, how about for once you admit you were wrong and lets move on shall we??

Please have mercy, AGAUGUST still lives in 2011. He does not want to let go of 2011 while is the year 2016. Many platforms were integrated to link ZA ever since. We are now officially joined the TDL club since 2012. Only few countries on that club.

jln115:
They fled!!

.... Just like their SANDF trainers, nothing new here to see.

jln115:

According to Reuters?? The same people that said we took heavy losses!!

You see bro, that's why I keep on telling you to read Helmoed Heitman's book, its extremely detailed, and unlike what you believe, not biased in the slightest..... Hell if you don't want to download it yourself, I'll fvcking email it to you.

But untill you read the book, you don't even have a slightest idee what happened on CAR.

...... Sure, i should read a book written by an Apartheid Pro-SANDF glory hunter, "sure i would".


There nothing to read...... We know all the facts.

patches689:


- Is he alive? Then he was protetected

- ask the 400 dead seleka about our training

- thay wasnt COIN

This is so dull... so boring.

He's since fled to yaounde...... So who were you protecting?



- No proper news network details that, what is well documented is you got a beating and fled.


- sure, that's the only thing your intelligence agents seem to be good at, stealing laptops.

patches689:


Herny just give it up

You can repeat yourself all you want

Fact is your Army fled from 46 towns and cities.

I would say your amy had had 46 Bangui's... but thay would imply your men actually fought and met objectives

Credible sources prove me right every time.


We won the war, the battles are completely irrelevant.


Nope...... There's only one battle of bangui, that's the one featuring disorganized, poorly trained and reasourced SANDF S.F who got a beating and fled.


Your SANDF did not complete a single objective:

- CAR federal forces fled

- Bozize fled

Henry240:


...... Sure, i should read a book written by an Apartheid Pro-SANDF glory hunter, "sure i would".


There nothing to read...... We know all the facts.

The bolded part makes no sense....at all!!

And no, you don't know the facts, that's why I said you should read the book!

Henry240:


.... Just like their SANDF trainers, nothing new here to see.

Uhm did they over run our base?....No
Did Seleka surrendered to the SANDF?....Yes

Henry240:


Credible sources prove me right every time.


We won the war, the battles are completely irrelevant.


Nope...... There's only one battle of bangui, that's the one featuring disorganized, poorly trained and reasourced SANDF S.F who got a beating and fled.


Your SANDF did not complete a single objective:

- CAR federal forces fled

- Bozize fled

Ok Henry, seeing that you think you somehow know more than the rest of the world.

Tell us, what were our objectives, and how did we fail to achieve them!

Because according to us mere mortals, we were there to protect Bozize, which we did!! And train a few hundred CAR soldiers, which we did.

Henry240:


Credible sources prove me right every time.


We won the war, the battles are completely irrelevant.


Nope...... There's only one battle of bangui, that's the one featuring disorganized, poorly trained and reasourced SANDF S.F who got a beating and fled.


Your SANDF did not complete a single objective:

- CAR federal forces fled

- Bozize fled

So SANDF was not in any war with Seleka rebels, so there was no any measure of win or lose. That was just self defence but the assailant raised the white flag. That's all.

Most of CAR federal forces joined rebels, dummy.

FighterPilot:

Drop this subject because I can see that you are lost. Firstly, tell me what is radar cross section and how important is it for radar detection?
The lower the RCS the harder it is to detect the object at far distances.
Go and learn the basics and come back later for discussion when you are wiser and informed and stop arguing like AGAUGUST who openly said that Gripen is not human and it can't have low RCS it is said to have. Just take the basics. OK my boy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_cross-section

My man,you are speaking to a Nigerian,and I know when a person is attempting to throw up unnecessary concepts in hopes of confusing his opponent.In fighter jets,there are 2 types of RCS:
1. Reaction Control System: this has to do with thrust velocity and reaction mechnism.
2. Radar Cross Section; which is normally written as "RCs/rcs",not "RCS".By typing RCS,you intentionally maneovered your opponent off track and derailed.

Henry240:


...... Sure, i should read a book written by an Apartheid Pro-SANDF glory hunter, "sure i would".


There nothing to read...... We know all the facts.

You can call him whatever you want

But in reality he is a world renowned writer and Janes corrispondent

Henry240:


He's since fled to yaounde...... So who were you protecting?



- No proper news network details that, what is well documented is you got a beating and fled.


- sure, that's the only thing your intelligence agents seem to be good at, stealing laptops.

1. Seleka themselves confirm it

2. No news networks say that

Henry240:


Credible sources prove me right every time.


We won the war, the battles are completely irrelevant.


Nope...... There's only one battle of bangui, that's the one featuring disorganized, poorly trained and reasourced SANDF S.F who got a beating and fled.


Your SANDF did not complete a single objective:

- CAR federal forces fled

- Bozize fled

46 towns and cities - no ammount of words changes that

Our job was not to lead the CAR forces

He is alive? Mission accomplished

patches689:


46 towns and cities - no ammount of words changes that

Our job was not to lead the CAR forces

He is alive? Mission accomplished

Nigerian Troops completely dominate the grounds. This is a Fact!


- the 6 weeks blitzkreig carried out by Nigerian forces still remains an un-matchable military and operational success in African warfare history.


He fled, you cannot be protecting a man who isn't there.

How possibly that is a military success..... Only deluded south-Africans know.

patches689:

1. Seleka themselves confirm it
2. No news networks say that

- Not according to Seleka spokesperson. You got beat and you absconded.

- Reuters and the BBC all say you fled.

jln115:

Ok Henry, seeing that you think you somehow know more than the rest of the world.

Tell us, what were our objectives, and how did we fail to achieve them!

Because according to us mere mortals, we were there to protect Bozize, which we did!! And train a few hundred CAR soldiers, which we did.

- On the contrary, the rest of the world agrees with me, since i quote the BBC (Britain), Reuters (America)..... in Africans also agree with me, the Kenyans and of course SELEKA who brushed you aside also agree with me.

Only South-Africans think differently.


- You simply cannot be protecting a man who simply isn't there. There is no voodoo in it. It's just not possible.


- the guys you claim to train all absconded, just like their saffer trainers. So who did you actually train?


I've never seen Nigerian trained soldiers escape from a fight, they might lose a couple battles, but they'll surely win the war!!