jln115:

The bolded part makes no sense....at all!!

And no, you don't know the facts, that's why I said you should read the book!

I'm simply not interested in reading his irrelevant opinion.

Henry240:


I'm simply not interested in reading his irrelevant opinion.

Yet his so called opinion is much more relevant than Reuters opinion.

jln115:

Yet his so called opinion is much more relevant than Reuters opinion.

Reuters and the BBC reported from right inside Bangui. Facts from the ground in bangui is irrelevant when compared to the opinion of a man sitting in Pretoria.



When i thought i'd seen it all.... This retarrded comment pops up.

Henry240:


Reuters and the BBC reported from right inside Bangui. Facts from the ground in bangui is irrelevant when compared to the opinion of a man sitting in Pretoria.



When i thought i'd seen it all.... This retarrded comment pops up.

So what about the reports from inside bangui that we killed over 400 rebels??

Henry240:


Nigerian Troops completely dominate the grounds. This is a Fact!


- the 6 weeks blitzkreig carried out by Nigerian forces still remains an un-matchable military and operational success in African warfare history.


He fled, you cannot be protecting a man who isn't there.

How possibly that is a military success..... Only deluded south-Africans know.

Your men got thrashed and even despite the fact that you had airpower, armor and heavy artillyery - you got chased out of over 40 towns and cities *fact*

You were only able to push bh back after you called in chad and cameroon to do all the hard fighting *fact*

South Africa has matched and exceeded you pathetic operations

Is Bozize still alive? Missiob accomplished

Henry240:


- Not according to Seleka spokesperson. You got beat and you absconded.


- Reuters and the BBC all say you fled.

According to Seleka they lost over 400 men and thought that they werr fighting 800 South Africans, not 200...

Nope, show me where bbc and reuters says that

Henry240:


- On the contrary, the rest of the world agrees with me, since i quote the BBC (Britain), Reuters (America)..... in Africans also agree with me, the Kenyans and of course SELEKA who brushed you aside also agree with me.

Only South-Africans think differently.


- You simply cannot be protecting a man who simply isn't there. There is no voodoo in it. It's just not possible.


- the guys you claim to train all absconded, just like their saffer trainers. So who did you actually train?


I've never seen Nigerian trained soldiers escape from a fight, they might lose a couple battles, but they'll surely win the war!!

- reuters and the bbc are not saying what you claim

- our claims are based on the statements of seleka

- we protected him while he was there

- we trained them, if they dont want to fight then that is not our problem

I have seen nigerian soldiers drop their weapons and flee without firing a shot. I have seen 800 men flee into ANOTHER COUNTRY. I have seen nigeians put on womens dresses to flee.

patches689:


So what about the reports from inside bangui that we killed over 400 rebels??

Where is the evidence which supports this claim?

We seen ridiculous figures over the past, with figures reaching up to 1500 Seleka dead.

More ridiculous claims from all South-African news outlets stating you faced between 5 times - 15 times the number of SANDF deployed, yet not a single photo of a confirmed dead Seleka to prove your claims.

Henry240:


- On the contrary, the rest of the world agrees with me, since i quote the BBC (Britain), Reuters (America)..... in Africans also agree with me, the Kenyans and of course SELEKA who brushed you aside also agree with me.

Only South-Africans think differently.


- You simply cannot be protecting a man who simply isn't there. There is no voodoo in it. It's just not possible.


- the guys you claim to train all absconded, just like their saffer trainers. So who did you actually train?


I've never seen Nigerian trained soldiers escape from a fight, they might lose a couple battles, but they'll surely win the war!!

Both BBC and Reuters wrote their articles hours after the battle before knowing all the facts, and i can prove it to you!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-21923624

"South Africa had about 200 troops stationed in the city to block Seleka rebels from seizing power." This as you know is wrong, as we were not there to block Seleka, just like the French troops were not there to block Seleka.

"They fought a high-tempo battle for nine hours defending the South African military base, until the bandits raised a white flag and asked for a ceasefire" They did get this fact right however.

Also your Reuters source claimed that we took heavy losses which as you know is untrue, Reuters also stated we were there to protect the capital, which as you know is untrue.

That's why i keep saying to you to read Helmoed Heitman's book, it has every detail of what happened in CAR!!

Henry240:


Reuters and the BBC reported from right inside Bangui. Facts from the ground in bangui is irrelevant when compared to the opinion of a man sitting in Pretoria.



When i thought i'd seen it all.... This retarrded comment pops up.

Prove Reuters and BBC Journalists were in CAR

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patches689:


- reuters and the bbc are not saying what you claim

- our claims are based on the statements of seleka

- we protected him while he was there

- we trained them, if they dont want to fight then that is not our problem

I have seen nigerian soldiers drop their weapons and flee without firing a shot. I have seen 800 men flee into ANOTHER COUNTRY. I have seen nigeians put on womens dresses to flee.

Bwahahahahaha…

You people always write facts, supported with sources even pictures where possible. You don't claim, you are always asserting what actually happened for real.

Aljazeera shows Nigerian soldiers training without uniform and equipment. Poor resources colored everywhere.


http://www.bellanaija.com/2015/10/unbelievable-al-jazeera-video-shows-nigerian-soldiers-training-in-rubber-slippers-casual-wear/

Henry240:


Where is the evidence which supports this claim?

We seen ridiculous figures over the past, with figures reaching up to 1500 Seleka dead.

More ridiculous claims from all South-African news outlets stating you faced between 5 times - 15 times the number of SANDF deployed, yet not a single photo of a confirmed dead Seleka to prove your claims.

Evidence is from Seleka gathered by reporters in Bangui

Its been posted many times

mzilakazi:
Aljazeera shows Nigerian soldiers training without uniform and equipment. Poor resources colored everywhere.


http://www.bellanaija.com/2015/10/unbelievable-al-jazeera-video-shows-nigerian-soldiers-training-in-rubber-slippers-casual-wear/

bellanaija is used to carrying entertainment news.....
this is part of it....

mzilakazi:
Aljazeera shows Nigerian soldiers training without uniform and equipment. Poor resources colored everywhere.


http://www.bellanaija.com/2015/10/unbelievable-al-jazeera-video-shows-nigerian-soldiers-training-in-rubber-slippers-casual-wear/

Meamwhile in South Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cYW-E528_E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT04AyF895U

jln115:
Prove Reuters and BBC Journalists were in CAR

The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed. "I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles. Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport. Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city.




Done!

jln115:
Prove Reuters and BBC Journalists were in CAR

The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed. "I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles. Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport. Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city.




Done!

jln115:

Both BBC and Reuters wrote their articles hours after the battle before knowing all the facts, and i can prove it to you!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-21923624

"South Africa had about 200 troops stationed in the city to block Seleka rebels from seizing power." This as you know is wrong, as we were not there to block Seleka, just like the French troops were not there to block Seleka.

"They fought a high-tempo battle for nine hours defending the South African military base, until the bandits raised a white flag and asked for a ceasefire" They did get this fact right however.

Also your Reuters source claimed that we took heavy losses which as you know is untrue, Reuters also stated we were there to protect the capital, which as you know is untrue.

That's why i keep saying to you to read Helmoed Heitman's book, it has every detail of what happened in CAR!!

Zuma says South Africa "rejects any attempt to seize power by force," and
that the soldiers' deaths will not keep the country from working to prevent
the overthrow of elected government.

m.voanews.com/a/un-chief-condemns-rebel-seizure-in-car/1627865.html




Here is your illiterate President telling us the objective of SANDF troops is to prevent an overthrow of elected government. The objective of SANDF troops in the CAR was to keep Bozize in power, which of course you failed miserably at.



"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken
through a line of South African soldiers during their push
into the city."



SANDF objectives in the CAR

- Keep Bozize in power - Failed

- Protect Bozize - Failed

- Train CAR troops - Failed

- SANDF troops suffered a crushing defeat, left their equipments in the CAR and fled.

patches689:


- reuters and the bbc are not saying what you claim

- our claims are based on the statements of seleka

- we protected him while he was there

- we trained them, if they dont want to fight then that is not our problem

I have seen nigerian soldiers drop their weapons and flee without firing a shot. I have seen 800 men flee into ANOTHER COUNTRY. I have seen nigeians put on womens dresses to flee.

Actually they are.
"Seleka's Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of
South African soldiers during their push into the city."


A source with the United Nations in Bangui said South
African troops were preparing to leave the country.
"They took substantial losses and have asked for French
support to load their troops and take off," said the source.

© 2015 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.


www.newsmax.com/t/world/article/496069


Eric Massi is the spokesman of Seleka




- You cannot protect a man who isn't there, it's just not possible.

- Just like their SANDF trainers, they fled!


Who dominates the grounds in Nigeria's campaign against terrorists...... Nigeria!!

patches689:


According to Seleka they lost over 400 men and thought that they werr fighting 800 South Africans, not 200...

Nope, show me where bbc and reuters says that

Accroding to Eric Massi (Seleka. Spokesman) South-African Special Forces were brushed aside.


- Already provided.

patches689:


Your men got thrashed and even despite the fact that you had airpower, armor and heavy artillyery - you got chased out of over 40 towns and cities *fact*

You were only able to push bh back after you called in chad and cameroon to do all the hard fighting *fact*

South Africa has matched and exceeded you pathetic operations

Is Bozize still alive? Missiob accomplished

- the battles are not important, we delivered on the war. We delivered in 6 weeks, an area the size of Scotland. That's an amazing military feat unmatched in Africa. We have the best Infantry soldiers in Africa.


- Chad secured their side of the border, operating in border towns of Dikwa and Gambaru-Ngala. Operations amounting to only 7% of the AO. We funded the chadian operations, we also provided air-support to them. You should go back to school to learn what facts are.


- the SANDF is an incompetent force, the CAR proves this. While the Nigeria Army was conducting operations in the North-East, our troops were carrying out operations in Liberia, Sudan, Guinea.


- Bozize fled, mission failed.

Henry240:


- the battles are not important, we delivered on the war. We delivered in 6 weeks, an area the size of Scotland. That's an amazing military feat unmatched in Africa. We have the best Infantry soldiers in Africa.


- Chad secured their side of the border, operating in border towns of Dikwa and Gambaru-Ngala. Operations amounting to only 7% of the AO. We funded the chadian operations, we also provided air-support to them. You should go back to school to learn what facts are.


- the SANDF is an incompetent force, the CAR proves this. While the Nigeria Army was conducting operations in the North-East, our troops were carrying out operations in Liberia, Sudan, Guinea.


- Bozize fled, mission failed.

There is nothing like the mission failed. Do you mean if US troops can be contracted to train Somalian soldiers by Somalian government and suddenly the coup erupts that would mean a failure. Nope, firstly the US troops would have gone to Somalia to train its troops and not for anything else. If the coup takes its course during the training and the rebels takes over, that responsibility would not be put upon the shoulders of US troops for failing to stop the coup and would not even amount to decide whether it was a victory or defeat.

Henry240:


- the battles are not important, we delivered on the war. We delivered in 6 weeks, an area the size of Scotland. That's an amazing military feat unmatched in Africa. We have the best Infantry soldiers in Africa.


- Chad secured their side of the border, operating in border towns of Dikwa and Gambaru-Ngala. Operations amounting to only 7% of the AO. We funded the chadian operations, we also provided air-support to them. You should go back to school to learn what facts are.


- the SANDF is an incompetent force, the CAR proves this. While the Nigeria Army was conducting operations in the North-East, our troops were carrying out operations in Liberia, Sudan, Guinea.


- Bozize fled, mission failed.

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Henry240:


Actually they are.
"Seleka's Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of
South African soldiers during their push into the city."


A source with the United Nations in Bangui said South
African troops were preparing to leave the country.
"They took substantial losses and have asked for French
support to load their troops and take off," said the source.

© 2015 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.


www.newsmax.com/t/world/article/496069


Eric Massi is the spokesman of Seleka




- You cannot protect a man who isn't there, it's just not possible.

- Just like their SANDF trainers, they fled!


Who dominates the grounds in Nigeria's campaign against terrorists...... Nigeria!!

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Henry240:


Zuma says South Africa "rejects any attempt to seize power by force," and
that the soldiers' deaths will not keep the country from working to prevent
the overthrow of elected government.

m.voanews.com/a/un-chief-condemns-rebel-seizure-in-car/1627865.html




Here is your illiterate President telling us the objective of SANDF troops is to prevent an overthrow of elected government. The objective of SANDF troops in the CAR was to keep Bozize in power, which of course you failed miserably at.



"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken
through a line of South African soldiers during their push
into the city."



SANDF objectives in the CAR

- Keep Bozize in power - Failed

- Protect Bozize - Failed

- Train CAR troops - Failed

- SANDF troops suffered a crushing defeat, left their equipments in the CAR and fled.

South Africa’s involvement in the security of the Central African Republic followed President Bozoze’s request to South Africa to assist the Central African Republic’s Defence Force (FACA) to upgrade their military capabilities.

SANDF deployment in the CAR is divided into two mainly OP MORERO – a unit of the SANDF Special Forces that was deployed in CAR to provide VIP protection to President Bozize and Operation Vimbesela – the SANDF’s mission involved in the refurbishment of the military bases and the training of the military personnel on that country.

http://www.dfa.gov.za/docs/2011pq/pq78.html

Protect Bozize - Success (is he alive? yes? Ok then)

Train his men - incomplete

Refurbish bases - incomplete

Protect SANDF personel and equipment - complete

A successfull mission - all objectives met.

You can try to create a mission that never existed - but facts remain facts

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Henry240:


The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed.
"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all
been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more
bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles.
Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the
BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their
barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport.
Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken
through a line of South African soldiers during their push
into the city.





Done!

SANDF troops begged for mercy to allow them escape and hide inside French soldiers base .

Proved with sources, Reuters & BBC reports from officials on battlefield Bangui city

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Henry240:


Actually they are.
"Seleka's Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of
South African soldiers during their push into the city."


A source with the United Nations in Bangui said South
African troops were preparing to leave the country.
"They took substantial losses and have asked for French
support to load their troops and take off," said the source.

© 2015 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.


www.newsmax.com/t/world/article/496069


Eric Massi is the spokesman of Seleka




- You cannot protect a man who isn't there, it's just not possible.

- Just like their SANDF trainers, they fled!


Who dominates the grounds in Nigeria's campaign against terrorists...... Nigeria!!

Ok, so where does it say that we "fled" or "abandoned" our position?

No where.

You are so utterly pathetic

Henry240:


Accroding to Eric Massi (Seleka. Spokesman) South-African Special Forces were brushed aside.


- Already provided.

Does he actually say that?

No he does not.


Liar.

Henry240:


- the battles are not important, we delivered on the war. We delivered in 6 weeks, an area the size of Scotland. That's an amazing military feat unmatched in Africa. We have the best Infantry soldiers in Africa.


- Chad secured their side of the border, operating in border towns of Dikwa and Gambaru-Ngala. Operations amounting to only 7% of the AO. We funded the chadian operations, we also provided air-support to them. You should go back to school to learn what facts are.


- the SANDF is an incompetent force, the CAR proves this. While the Nigeria Army was conducting operations in the North-East, our troops were carrying out operations in Liberia, Sudan, Guinea.


- Bozize fled, mission failed.

- You had 20 000 men, tanks, artillery, jets, attack helicopters... and yet you got kicked out of 41 cities and towns by 4000 rag-tag boko haram

- Been done many times, SADF in Op Savannah, or by Mike Hoars merc's in DRC during the Simba uprising. Lets not even talk about WW2

- You had to beg chad to operate INSIDE OF NIGERIA. And you were only able to turn the tide of the war once you let chad into your country.

- How does the CAR prove that? 200 men stopping 3000+ men is incompetant? A casualty to kill ratio of 1:30 is incompetant?

Our mission was never to keep Bozize in power... it was to protect him... and since he is still alive, I would say that is a success

agaugust:

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You come out of hiding again?

Patchesagain:


Ok, so where does it say that we "fled" or "abandoned" our position?

No where.

You are so utterly pathetic

Here it is.....yöür runaway SANDF...

The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed.
"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all
been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more
bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles.
Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the
BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their
barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport.
Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken
through a line of South African soldiers during their push
into the city."


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