Appleyard:
See how they were even treated like common Somali pirates/criminals.

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Lol..hehehehehehehe

Agbada dun hook for barb wire.
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Chelseafan99:
http://ourtimeiscome.com/2016/01/13/obamas-appeasemet-no-body-fears-america-anymore-the-humiliating-moment-iran-arrested-us-sailors-prior-to-release/

Zoharariel:
America is known to be fond of always violating the Iranian territorial waters in the name of conducting scheduled maritime security operations.

In January 2012, the USS Abraham Lincoln - escorted by the guided-missile cruiser USS Cape St. George & 2 destroyers, sailed through the “Strait of Hormuz” violating Iranian territorial waters amid heightened tensions between the 2 Countries.

www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/22/us-aircraft-carrier-sails-through-strait-hormuz.html

Again in December 2015, the USS Harry S. Truman escorted by a US Destroyer & a French frigate, came within about 1,500yards of Iranian rockets in the “Strait of Hormuz” while the Iranian Revolutionary Guards were conducting a live-fire exercise.

www.eurasian-challenge.com/2015/12/hyperbole-us-aircraft-carrier-narrowly.html?m=1

How I wish Iran can just decapitate 3 of the US sailors & mail their heads to the Pentagon in a specially wrapped package through FedEx International Express.

If they could be humiliated like ordinary learning pirates by Iran, you can only imagine what await them in the Russian territorial waters.

BTW where is Missy89 (Iyawo Shymm3x), mazeltov, vedaxcool & that asshole lucasbalo?

Zoharariel:
America is known to be fond of always violating the Iranian territorial waters in the name of conducting scheduled maritime security operations.

In January 2012, the USS Abraham Lincoln - escorted by the guided-missile cruiser USS Cape St. George & 2 destroyers, sailed through the “Strait of Hormuz” violating Iranian territorial waters amid heightened tensions between the 2 Countries.

www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/22/us-aircraft-carrier-sails-through-strait-hormuz.html

Again in December 2015, the USS Harry S. Truman escorted by a US Destroyer & a French frigate, came within about 1,500yards of Iranian rockets in the “Strait of Hormuz” while the Iranian Revolutionary Guards were conducting a live-fire exercise.

www.eurasian-challenge.com/2015/12/hyperbole-us-aircraft-carrier-narrowly.html?m=1

How I wish Iran can just decapitate 3 of the US sailors & mail their heads to the Pentagon in a specially wrapped package through FedEx International Express.

If they could be humiliated like ordinary learning pirates by Iran, you can only imagine what await them in the Russian territorial waters.

BTW where is Missy89 (Iyawo Shymm3x), mazeltov, vedaxcool & that asshole lucasbalo?

Appleyard:
See how they were even treated like common Somali pirates/criminals.

Poseidon000:
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Agbada dun hook for barb wire.
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vedaxcool:


the clip was very humiliating to say the least see what a mechanical fault can cause. But like Turkey actually shooting down Ruskies airplane, it doesn't make Iran any match for the US. As usual propaganda has never been known to win wars. Strategy does, and unfortunately for Russia the US got them all surrounded while war between them seems remote in the event it happens the Russians will be fighting a war on so many frontlines because of their inability to maintain cordial relations with their neighbors. Pls note the strait doesn't belong to Iran entirely it is a shared water way with oman, uae .

Appleyard:

Missy89:
Lol.

Putinbots and their junk Sputnik are dumb like a bag of hammers. US Marines/US sailors - Cant tell the difference?

Keep showing your stupidity, The joke is on you

"Lol! I don't care if this is a bold face lie or propaganda but I must admit, I am enjoying this "

Missy89:


I know you are trolling

I remember people like you making up excuses when Turkey humiliated your Czar and killed his pilot in cold blood. The clip might be very uncomfortable to watch for an American but looks like standard procedure to me. You drift into another country, of course you will be arrested or killed. Good news is they got out really fast.

Appleyard:
Trolling keh! I can see that wry grin on your Londonial face when you typed that word 'drift'. I hope you aren't residing close to Stanford Bridge where Chelsea fans are hoping against hope, still living in delusion of securing a Champions League spot, despite being 14th on the ladder. Cos, You of all people knows better. What do you mean by ''drift''? How can two boats, well equipped, and of a higher standard/class with modern state-of-the art navigation systems, myopically ''drifted'' deep into territorial waters of a nation that is on the brink of having its long term economic sanctions lifted, after years of tense faceoff with a gun tottling US led west? No, Missy. Not with the likes of ''MadCain'' and many of those anti-Iran and pro sanction stooges in both Republicans, Dems and the MIC. They need to keep Iran as a 'threat' than a partner. Is profitable to them that way. What the United States of Agression did, was a well calculated attempt hoping Iran would over react and take out the vessels or atleast, kill or maim one or more members of the crew, which would have soured the nuclear deal and stall the sanctions lifting plan that was in motion; and in addition, give the war chest-beating hawks in washington and Isreal, the much craved impetus to up the stakes against Iran. But unfortunately for them, Tehran didn't take the bait. Rather, it took them and make them look like every other common criminal caught pants down. So whats the fuse all about?

On Turkey and Russia, i've asked you this before, please, allow me to ask you again. Did you of all people honestly expected Russia to declare war on Turkey because of one lost plane? (and thanks to God you agreed now it was a planned cold blooded murder, and you know why they did it. But just like Iran, Moscow did the opposite). Okay! How many missiles or war did Missy's uncle, Sultan Erdogan, lunched against Syria overtly, when Assad took out his plane back in 2012? Or do i need to remind you that Turkey has paid, and still paying, 50 times more the cost of the Su24? My lady, we shouldn't be having this discussion now. Intelligent minds like yours knew that the US and iran boats bruhaha was a well timed, calculated ''bait'' and ''refusal'' by both ends of the divide. We don't have to be pro East or West to admit the truth.

Yes! Its standard procedure, but what difference does it make? They were threated like every other criminals captured on the high sea.

Missy89:


Wow so elaborate.

I think you are over analyzing a simple incident. When you say Iran being label as a threat to the US is more profitable to America's or MIC long term agenda, that is really subjective. I dont see how. Reaching a deal wont change perception so even if this elaborate conspiracy exists, Iran wont really be an American ally deal or no deal. So your theory seems a little bit over the top

The only American sector that will always see the Iran deal as a threat is probably the agricultural industry. If America can have a normal relation with Russia who by the way have superior tech/presence than Iran and still use Russia as a bogeyman for increased defense spending and aggressive foreign policy, Iran will be classified under the same umbrella even if there is a detente and wont need to send 10 sailors to sabotage any deal. This deal by the way is bad for Russia. Now the Europeans can leverage Iran and build that Pipeline they always wanted. Anything to weaken Russia is a good deal as far as the US is concerned. Just give it a few months, You will know how fake the Iran/Russia alliance is if the money starts pouring in.


Remove that tin foil hat my friend and come back to reality

No one expects Russia to declare war but we both know those sanctions were superficial and doesn't mean much. How did he pay 50 times?.

What is the latest in Syria? Looks like the VKS is stuck flying endless sorties just like their western counterpart and the "noise" of Russia's superior campaign seems to be disappearing from the front pages. Smh

Missy89:


Wow so elaborate.

I think you are over analyzing a simple incident. When you say Iran being label as a threat to the US is more profitable to America's or MIC long term agenda, that is really subjective. I dont see how. Reaching a deal wont change perception so even if this elaborate conspiracy exists, Iran wont really be an American ally deal or no deal. So your theory seems a little bit over the top

The only American sector that will always see the Iran deal as a threat is probably the agricultural industry. If America can have a normal relation with Russia who by the way have superior tech/presence than Iran and still use Russia as a bogeyman for increased defense spending and aggressive foreign policy, Iran will be classified under the same umbrella even if there is a detente and wont need to send 10 sailors to sabotage any deal. This deal by the way is bad for Russia. Now the Europeans can leverage Iran and build that Pipeline they always wanted. Anything to weaken Russia is a good deal as far as the US is concerned. Just give it a few months, You will know how fake the Iran/Russia alliance is if the money starts pouring in.


Remove that tin foil hat my friend and come back to reality

No one expects Russia to declare war but we both know those sanctions were superficial and doesn't mean much. How did he pay 50 times?.

What is the latest in Syria? Looks like the VKS is stuck flying endless sorties just like their western counterpart and the "noise" of Russia's superior campaign seems to be disappearing from the front pages. Smh

Akathriel:


Missy89, You know, sometimes I just wish I could have you on my bed atleast twice in a week so that so you could grease my brain with your tested & trusted sophisticated American poetry of propaganda while I grease the sacred portal to your feminine temple in return.

I respect you Missy89. Have you ever been to Langley in VA before? If not for fear of being poisoned with cyanide or polonium, I would have summoned up the courage to ask for your hand in marriage - I swear

Appleyard:
Always the typical Missy89, dancing on the avalanche of admissibility yet covertly denying the unclad reality. Nevertheless, you did, as usual, stated some sensible points. Yes! The deal was never meant to change opinion regarding Tehran, but you can agree that it was a step back from the brink, which in turn, was a major blow to the war hawks and demon possessed in washington and in Isreal. Or have you forgotten that Iran is on the hit list comprising of 7 nations planned to be taken out within the space of 5years, as confessed by formal US General and supreme allied NATO commander, Gen. Wesley Clark? When you take this into consideration, you would agree with my logical reasoning that the real government that operates in the shadow is probably still at work trying to realize their agenda, either covertly or overtly. Just consider some of the facts: Iraq is today a heap of rubble and a cradle of violence, where the eyes of mother earth continue to suffocate under intense and contineous flow of blood of both the innocent and the guilty. Somalia is still gasping for breathe wallowing in the waters of a failed state. As of today, we now have two Sudans-mission accomplished. One don't have to be blind like blind Bathemos not to understand that Libya was a two-fold success, as it didnt just brought about the complete destruction of the nation, but also gave birth to the emergence of IS. On the other hand, even Steven Wonder and his dark glasses don't need any divine intervention on the road to Damascus to see that Syria is currently a work-in-progress; a mission foiled only by the Bear's intervention. I sometimes wonder aloud how people can still call such things as conspiracy theories when the facts are glaringly acting out their scripts in open vision. So, my lady, you can see that i wasn't over analyzing. This is a script acting out its purpose, not some elaborate conspiracy as you termed it.

Yes. Iran's emergence from its economic blockade, is a bad news for oil producing states like Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Ecuador, Venezuella, etc, and Russia is no exemption. But assuming the Russians would be hit harder, is, i think, unfair and culpa lata on your part to undermine Moscow's intergrity as master of geopolitics. Moscow has for long supported and aided Iran and the consequent deal right from the security council down to the p5+1 negotiating table; it is only a russophobe (not saying you are one) that would think Russia does not have its own secret arrangement with Iran, or suggest that Iran won't give some concessions or commit to certain strategic or diplomatic agreements behind close doors. This is geopolitics Missy, and the Russians are grand masters of the game.
I can guarantee you one thing: as long as Moscow remain in the world map, there would be no pipeline cross roads from the MidEast to Europe that seek to undermine its strategic leverage. Its involvement in Syria further underline this fact. Russia is no kid. They knew what this deal with Iran would bring in the future before they committed to it. So no big deal.

On Turkey, no need for much ado about nothing! Ask Erdogan about his Turkmen. Bodies are still counting. His planes can't fly missions any more. You know how the economy is feeling right now.

Of course, you won't see Russia-Syria successes on MSM, but they're wining territories every day.

Missy89:



Dont be naive,

I think you are overrating Russia's geopolitical strategy. History have shown that Russia usually base her geopolitical objective on emotions rather than pragmatism.

Appleyard:
A hunter does not venture deep into the forest just to catch crickets. You are so wrong on many fronts relating to Russia vis the west and Iran. Yes. Russia's support for Iran would see Iranian cash flow into Russian defense industries, and, conversely, as you rightly mentioned, Russia would also reap big in Iranian civilian reactors. In fact, the process is already under way. But these are just part of the bigger picture relating to Moscow support. The major reason is strategic, and its a shared reason. Mr. Putin and Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, both want to prevent Iran’s drift closer to the West in the aftermath of the nuclear deal, and recent event entails their fear is quite understandable. For the Russians, loosing a priviledge partner, especially one that can help maintain its leverage over Europe, is something it can't afford in this trying times. From the Iranian angle, pitching tent with a west reputed for hypocrisy and double standards, would only spell doom for its well being on the long run. They saw what happened to Iraq, Libya, and now Syria, and they understood that they are next and would always feature in the hit list of the US led empire of death. This has informed their decisions to seek Russian and Chinese partnership and help in areas of defense, despite its history of conflict with the formal. Iran knew that the only nations it can trust with its security, are Russia and China. If you are expecting Iran to ditch these two in favour of a west seeking to destroy her, then you have to think again. They would always have their differencies here and there, but when it comes down to security and strategic well being, the 3, especially the 2-Moscow and Tehran, would always ride on the same train.
Russia and Chinese indulgence on western sanctions on Iran, was more of a show of commital in leadership, as at when relations with the west was cordial, rather than as a result of enmity. Sanctions were there way back in 2006 when Russia sold 29 of its Tor M1 defense system to Iran. This was followed by the Pantsyr S1E. Moscow and Beijing also covertly sold high speed torpedoes to Iran through krygystan - all to the ire of the US. These entails that the Russian and Chinese support for the Iranian sanctions then, was only existing on paper. It was never implemented.

Saying that Russia's position is weak, and at such, the US need not worry about the Kremlin, is the height of illusional reality that only exist in Sony Max videos. You even went further to say that Russia's strategies are based on emotions rather than pragmatic. I think you are off here. Contemporary Russia is one (if not the only) major power whose actions and inactions based on its foreign policy and national ideology are '' determine ONLY by their strategic vitality and necessity '', in relation to the overall national interest and security of its people. This is the 'funs juri' that governs Russia's geopolitical posture. For instance, Russia passively watched as the US bushwhacked Saddam in Iraq becos Moscow had little affection for the Iraqi despot; neither does Iraq serve a strategic interest to Russia's economic and security. They watched as America invaded Afghanistan. The thrust against the Talibans and Al Qaeda served Russian interest on many levels, including giving Moscow the perverse satisfaction of seeing the yankees fall into the same quagmire that perplexed the Soviet Union 30 years before. The more powerful the nation, the fewer lessons it seems to learn until that power is solely dissipated by folly.
Russia even watched on as it sunreliable friend in Libya got crushed, because Russia have no vital interest in the matter that should warrant an overt retaliation or interferance. Based on this long string of passive inactions, the US badly miscalculated Russian interests and resolve, (just as alot of you are doing now), and they moved up to the next stage - pluck Ukraine from Russia's orbit. And they got the shocker of their lives. Russia did not only crushed the western designs, it annexed Crimea and secured the northern reaches of the Black sea, showing it as a master of the geopolitical game.
After embarrassing the US and NATO in Ukraine, it outflanked the duo again in Syria. By complimenting Assad's ground forces with strong air power, Russia has annealed the regime and thwarted US plot to topple Assad. Fear Russia! Why? It has invested so much in Syria and Ukraine is none negotiable. That is your concept of Vital interest-national, as against eliticm of the few- the stark definition of US foreign policy.
I think your notion of objectives being driven by emotions, best suit the US where the benches in the foreign dept are contineously graced by niccompoos!

Appleyard:
A hunter does not venture deep into the forest just to catch crickets. You are so wrong on many fronts relating to Russia vis the west and Iran. Yes. Russia's support for Iran would see Iranian cash flow into Russian defense industries, and, conversely, as you rightly mentioned, Russia would also reap big in Iranian civilian reactors. In fact, the process is already under way.

The story is the same now. The foundation of Russia's foreign policy is [b]that it was humiliated after the soviet union fell and everything that has been done since Putin and his cronies came to power is to restore pride and prestige ( Not a bad thing) which i[b]s an emotional reason [/b]whatever the case may be. This is not even my opinion. Respected Russian intellectuals who have advised Putin for a long time like Sergey Karaganov have always admitted it to be true. Have you ever wondered why Russia is the only Nuclear power that is still paranoid of an invasion?[/b]

Missy89:


Really? Lies everywhere


Pitching tent with China for Iran is not born out of any strategicservices. against the west. It is more regional and in that case, an alliance with China or Russia is not only irrelevant, it doesn't make any sense.

Now i have to laugh at your position here. Lets look at Russia decisions since 1900s (will give you few examples). Russia escit to be true. Have you ever wondered why Russia is the only Nuclear power that is still paranoid f an invasion?

While i agree with your version of the events in Iraq, Russia actually aided america in Afghanistan. In fact, The mission in Afghanistan wouldn't be possible without Russia's help. They signaled the Central Asian countries to allow American bases on their territory and allowed overflights

What you are pretending not to understand is that Russia was delighted when the 911 attacks happened. It legitimizes her military heavy handedness in the caucuses and believe that since America is on a global crusade to stop jihadist, they will stop hearing America complain about human rights concerns in places like Dagestan, Igushetia and Chechnya. So Putin was very willing to help and he did.

Russia did not watch as Libya got crushed either. Medvedev failed to veto the UN resolution which was a tacit approval. This was because he had an understanding with the west that Qaddafi will be allowed to escape until the Europeans betrayed him

So much lies and misinformation from you . Emotions oils the Russian state! Always have.

It is embedded in the national consciousness. Now that i am thinking about it, It seems to be a Slavic thing (Just saying)