Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,200,681 members, 7,975,585 topics. Date: Tuesday, 15 October 2024 at 08:57 AM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / Islam for Muslims / Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking (25257 Views)
Atheists, Allah is Your Creator. Repent, Bow And Stop Being Like Shaitan / A Peek At False Manhaj Of Muhammad Awwal Jabata Al-haddaadee At-takfeeree / Prophet Muhammad (allah's Peace & Blessings Be Upon Him) Is Light (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) ... (14) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Nobody: 4:42pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Mimiamal: now who's ignorant? not only comedy books are fun. I enjoy reading the Bible. Fun doesn't have to be partying or laughing hysterically. Because a book is 'holy' doesn't mean I shouldn't enjoy reading it...and if i dont enjoy something, it makes it not fun. Dyu see ur ignorance back in ur face now? Now, as for the verses you claim that christians quote. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion is all for Allah" Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam. These are just, but a few... explain please, what they mean and point out the incorrect ones. |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 4:52pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
[quote author=samted post now who's ignorant? not only comedy books are fun. I enjoy reading the Bible. Fun doesn't have to be partying or laughing hysterically. Because a book is 'holy' doesn't mean I shouldn't enjoy reading it...and if i dont enjoy something, it makes it not fun. Dyu see ur ignorance back in ur face now? Now, as for the verses you claim that christians quote. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion is all for Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam. These are just, but a few... explain please, what they mean and point out the incorrect ones.[/quote] How will you enjoy what you don't want to understand and for your anwers coming shortly insA You know we are not like you who don't do any worship to God unless when you feel like going to church to sing and shake yansh We pray tonAlmighty 5 times daily and after that supperotory prayers and then tasbeehwe don't have much of time on social media that's not benefitting |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Nobody: 4:56pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
[quote author=Mimiamal post=41940389][/quote] so you're trying to tell me that any moslem that has a social media account is not a good moslem? and the going to church aspect, not all of us go to church when we feel like. some christians pray as much as some moslems do. Just as not all moslems pray five times a day. i know moslems who are only moslems during ramadan. the rest of the year is to engage in debauchery and gross immorality. im waiting for your explanation of those verses i put forward. |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 5:00pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
samted:“As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.” – Quran 3:56 This verse references God’s wrath on the people who disbelieved in Jesus. The passage does not endorse Muslims to commit violence. Here, read the entire passage in its context, 3:55 [Mention] when God said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to God alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. 3:56 And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.” 3:57 But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and God does not like the wrongdoers. Quran Commentary on 3:56 Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an – The Meaning of the Qur’an 51 The word (mutawaffi) in the Arabic text is from (tawaffa) which literally means “to take and to receive” and “to seize the soul” is not its lexical but metaphorical meaning. Here it means “to recall from mission.” Allah recalled Jesus because the Israelites had rejected him in spite of the clear Signs he had brought. They had been disobeying God for centuries and, in spite of many a warning and admonition served to them, their national character was rapidly deteriorating. They had killed several Prophets, one after the other, and had grown so audacious as to demand the blood of any good man who ventured to invite them to the Right Way. In order to give them the last chance for turning to the Truth, God appointed among them two great Prophets, Jesus and John (God’s peace be upon them), at one and the same time. These Prophets came with such clear signs of their appointment from Allah that only such people dared reject them as were utterly perverted and prejudiced against the Truth and were averse to following the Right Way. Nevertheless the Israelites lost their last chance also as they not only rejected their invitation but also had the head of a great Prophet like John cut off openly at the request of a dancing girl. ‘And their Pharisees and Jurists conspired and sought to get Jesus punished with the death sentence by the Roman Government. Thus they had proved themselves to be so obdurate that it was useless to give the Israelites any further chance. So Allah recalled His Prophet Jesus and inflicted on them a life of disgrace up to the Day of Resurrection. It will be useful here to bear in mind the fact that this whole discourse is meant to refute and correct the Christian belief in the God-head of Jesus. Three main things were responsible for the prevalence of this belief among the Christians: (1) The miraculous birth of Jesus. (2) His concrete and tangible miracles. (3) His ascension to heaven about which their Scriptures were explicit. The Qur’an confirmed the first thing and made it plain that the birth of Jesus without a father was only a manifestation of the infinite powers of Allah. He can create anybody in whatever manner He wills. His miraculous birth, therefore, is no reason why he should be made a god or a partner in Godhead. The Qur’an also confirms the second thing and even recounts the miracles performed by Jesus, but makes it clear that all those miracles were performed by him, as a servant of Allah, by His leave and not as an independent authority. It is, therefore, wrong to infer that Jesus was a partner in Godhead. Now let us consider the third thing. If the Christian belief in “Ascension” had been wholly baseless, it could have been refuted by pointing out that the object of their worship, the so-called “Son of God”, expired long ago and had become one with dust, and that they could see, for their full satisfaction, his grave at such and such a place. But the Qur’an does not declare this explicitly. On the other hand, it not only uses such words as give at least a vague suggestion of his “Ascension”, but also denies that Jesus was crucified at all. According to it the one who gave a loud cry at his last hour, saying, “Eli” Eli, lama sabachthani?” and the one whose picture they carry on the cross, was not Messiah at all, because God had recalled to Himself the real Messiah before the crucifixion took place. It is thus clear that those people who try to prove the death of Jesus from these verses, really try to show that God is not able to express Himself clearly and unambiguously. (May God protect us from such a blasphemy!) 52″Those who rejected” him were the Jews who were invited by Jesus to accept the Truth. “Those who follow” him are really the Muslims only but if it may be taken to imply all those who believe in him, then the sincere Christians may also be included. [1] |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 5:04pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
that's one verse |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 5:07pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
.... |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Nobody: 5:36pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Mimiamal: NEXT - Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 5:46pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Quran 8:39 – ‘And fight With Them Until There Is No More Fitna (Persecution)’ by DISCOVER THE TRUTH • SEPTEMBER 30, 2014 Quran 8:39 – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah” Let’s read a better translation for Q. 8:39, Pickthall Quran 8:39 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do. The ‘fitna’ mentioned in the above verse (Q 8:39) means persecution, oppression, as shown by Pickthall’s Quran translation. When the verse says, “And fight with them until there is no more fitna”, it gave Muslims permission to fight until there is no more persecution (fitna), 1400 years ago. Critics elude to this passage claiming that the Arabic word ‘fitna’ used here does not really mean ‘persecution’ or ‘oppression’, according to these self-made scholars who have no formal education on Islam, to them the word ‘fitna’ means ‘unbelief’. When it is used in that sense, they’re trying to portray the verse to non-Muslims who don’t know the Arabic language that the passage sanctions Muslims to fight non-believers on account of them of being non-Muslim. However, when we consult Arabic-English dictionaries critics’ deception is exposed. In the following article which can be seen here, I have provided many Muslim and non-Muslim scholarly evidences that the Arabic word ‘fitna’ means, ‘persecution’, ‘oppression’. Non-Muslim Quran Translations for 8:39 Arthur John Arberry Quran 8:39 Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely; then if they give over, surely God sees the things they do… George Sale Quran 8:39 And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly to God. But if they desist, then surely God is Watchful of what they do. Qur’an Commentaries Muhammad Asad: “39 I.e., until man is free to worship God. Cf. the identical phrase in 2:193, and the corresponding note. Both these passages stress self-defence – in the widest sense of this word – as the only justification of war.” [1] The Holy Qur’an Arabic Text With English Translation & Short Commentary – Malik Ghulam Farid: “1120. Muslims were enjoined to fight till religious persecution had ceased and men were free to practice the religion of their choice. Islam undoubtedly is the greatest upholder of freedom of conscience (2:194).” [2] The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation, Commentary and comprehensive Introduction – Maulana Muhammad Ali: “39a That is, desist from fighting and put an end to their mischief, God’s decree of punishment will not be executed. God sees what men do, and if they mend their ways, He will not punish them. The state of religious liberty which Islam aimed at is put tersely in the two opening statements – ‘there is no more persecution and all religions are for Allah’. 40a. If they return to fight, then Allah will protect the Muslim community, helping them against their enemy, as He is their Patron and Helper.” |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 5:55pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Quran 8:12 – ‘I will Cast Terror Into the Hearts Of Those Who Disbelieve. Therefore Strike Off Their Heads’ by DISCOVER THE TRUTH • SEPTEMBER 29, 2014 Quran 8:12 – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. And Quran 8:15 – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.” The historical context for the above passages (Quran 8:12 and 8:15) is that it was revealed at the battle of Badr. A battle in which the disbelievers (Pagans) of Makkah travelled 100s of miles to kill Muslims in Madinah. The pagans had 1000 soldiers ,while the Muslims all they could gather to fight back in defence, they had only 300 soldiers. Even though Prophet Muhammad (p) had left Makkah to find peace for its community without being persecuted, oppressed, they once again were trying to terrorize the Muslim community. Let’s read from Q. 8:9 to 8:19, 8:9 [Remember] when you asked help of your Lord, and He answered you, “Indeed, I will reinforce you with a thousand from the angels, following one another.” 8:10 And Allah made it not but good tidings and so that your hearts would be assured thereby. And victory is not but from Allah . Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. 8:11 [Remember] when He overwhelmed you with drowsiness [giving] security from Him and sent down upon you from the sky, rain by which to purify you and remove from you the evil [suggestions] of Satan and to make steadfast your hearts and plant firmly thereby your feet. 8:12 [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.” 8:13 That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger – indeed, Allah is severe in penalty. 8:14 “That [is yours], so taste it.” And indeed for the disbelievers is the punishment of the Fire. 8:15 O you who have believed, when you meet those who disbelieve advancing [for battle], do not turn to them your backs [in flight]. 8:16 And whoever turns his back to them on such a day, unless swerving [as a strategy] for war or joining [another] company, has certainly returned with anger [upon him] from Allah , and his refuge is Hell – and wretched is the destination. 8:17 And you did not kill them, but it was Allah who killed them. And you threw not, [O Muhammad], when you threw, but it was Allah who threw that He might test the believers with a good test. Indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing. 8:18 That [is so], and [also] that Allah will weaken the plot of the disbelievers. 8:19 If you [disbelievers] seek the victory – the defeat has come to you. And if you desist [from hostilities], it is best for you; but if you return [to war], We will return, and never will you be availed by your [large] company at all, even if it should increase; and [that is] because Allah is with the believers. When we read the verses before and after, we get a clear picture that this was a battle. The killing that is mentioned in Q. 8:12 is on the battlefield, which took place 1400 years ago. When we read Q. 8:17 it says, that it was not Muhammed (or the companions) who killed the enemy, but it was Him (God) who had done so. Furthermore, Q 8:19 offers peace to the enemy, if the enemy desist from hostilities against Muslims, 8:19 If you [disbelievers] seek the victory – the defeat has come to you. And if you desist [from hostilities], it is best for you; but if you return [to war], We will return, and never will you be availed by your [large] company at all, even if it should increase; and [that is] because Allah is with the believers. When we get to read the verses in its context, does it promote killing of innocents? The answer is NO! Even when Muslims were being persecuted by the mighty army of Quraish, God Almighty encouraged Muslims to offer peace if they, the enemy stopped hostilities against them (Muslims |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 5:58pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
I think even these 3 verses are enough proof to you that Islam is a religion of peace but only the unbelievers are misquoting |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 6:05pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
As for the last Hadith by tambari there are many false stories in ibn ishaq and tambari |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by DeathStroke007(m): 6:08pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
samted: Now you have done research.. All you said proves my point to be right.. I never said jesus is yeshua.. And yeshua isn't even greek.. |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 6:25pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Now it's ur turn@samted explain this verses -those who follow him must HATE their fathers, HATE their mothers, HATE their wives and HATE their children! -Luke 14:26 - did not come to bring peace on earth but rather came to bring FIRE and DIVISION -Luke 12:51 |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Mimiamal: 6:40pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
See what all these Cristian's are writing insults and abusive words coz they can't prove the Quran wrong as the Bibble which is full of flaws and contradiction they turn the argument as querel |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Nobody: 9:02pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Mimiamal: Luke 14:26 - Since you know the Bible so well, you must have read the parts where Jesus picked his apostles. There, he asked them to leave their family and follow him. Therefore, this verse simply tells us that if you wanna follow him completely, you may be pushed into conflict with your father and mother. Due to the fact that they may be against you following as much as the apostles did. Luke 12:51 - This one is also like the above one. He knew that his teaching would bring disagreements on certain levels. For instance, the pharisees and the sadducees who were primary upholders of the law were very much against the teaching of Jesus and they tried to insight the people against Him. That's the division He was speaking of.. In modern times, the division between christians and muslims and all the others is what He was talking about. None of these verses insights violence against fellow man. |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Nobody: 9:04pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
DeathStroke007: I meant hebrew. that was an error. greek is a modern language...in a sense |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by analice107: 10:46am On Jan 14, 2016 |
Mimiamal:My dear, if Christ didn't die, then what made him a Messiah? I don't understand Islam. Allah said Jesus didn't die, that he Decieved, LIED, to the Jews to think that Jesus was killed while he Allah took Jesus to himself. Allah didn't tell us why the Jews were after Jesus' life. He didn't tell us, why he took Jesus away, but couldn't save Muhammed from poison. Allah didn't include anything the Bible recorded about Jesus, only that, He was born of a Virgin and didn't die. That's too vague. Am asking again, why did the Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah? Why do muslims accept Him as the Messiah? What does it mean to be a Messiah? Bros, pls help them. 1 Like |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by DeathStroke007(m): 1:21pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
samted: Lol.. Greek na modern language? You sure say you no say smoke oshogbo weed |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by aob2882: 6:26pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
truthman2012: I am a Muslim and Insha Allah I will die as a Muslim. I have asked you this question several time and You always avoid my question by referring me to GOOGLE. Truth-man if you are really truthful Please kindly respond to my question. WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY ? |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Nobody: 7:23pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
DeathStroke007: compared to the likes of sumerian and akkadian and mesopotamian, greek is a modern language. thats why i said "in a sense". learn to read and understand first before u reply |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 10:11pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
malvisguy212: The worse crime he committed is the child abuse. He raped Aisha at 6. Thats historic! !! I must not forget the Satanic verse 1 Like
|
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 10:17pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
VomeSchakleton: Call you my friend ke? In ur dream? True Muslims make no friendship with non muslims. In the north of Nigeria. A muslim friend is always the first to tell allah's soldiers where his christian friend is hiding... |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 10:21pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
There is a terrorist attack today in Indonesia. 5 suicide bombers sent by Allah's army (isis) preaching islam to anyone is teachin the person to hate others who do not believe. And if possible kill that person for allah. In Islam, human worth nothin. A piece of tales worth more than human soul. Pathetic!
|
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 10:26pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
truthman2012: I know my brother. The gospel of Jesus has all that we need. We do not want anyone to preach another Jesus to us. According to the warning of the Apostle Paul. Jesus said. "Upon this rock i will build my church" He has built it even before mohammed was born. Nothin more to add. Road closed... |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 10:36pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
VomeSchakleton: Sure is the wrong word to use my dear. I believe in his birth, death and his resurrection. Christmas have to believe in Christ. John 6:69 ► We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 10:53pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
DeathStroke007: Salvation is from the Jews not the Arabs my dear. Jesus is a Jew. In his name you will be saved. In his name tbere is healing, in his name chains are broken. Jesus was dead and rose again.He is alive again. Only the living God can give life. It is only Through Jesus you can be saved not Muhammad. This Arabia self claimed prophet was dead and rot in his grave like every human. He cant save you. Jesus is alive. John 4:22 ► You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we (Jews)worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews He is still telling the arabs and thie likes today."You arabs worship what you do not know"..... |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 10:56pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
Mimiamal: Next time save your battery and data for some ignorants. Not for us who know the birth of Islam... |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 10:57pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
Mimiamal: |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 11:06pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
Mimiamal: You pray to who? Yet you kill God image (man) like Christmas chicken. Is ur allah not blood socking demon? Why did he always kill pilgrims when they tend to worship him? Why kill those who do not believe in him? Jesus preached to the sinners to repent and accept the gospel of the kingdom of God. He didn't kill or force anyone to accept his Father. What Muhammad did is what isis and co are doing. Spreading islam by force. If not for this method you wont stand here and be defending the arabian god they forced in your ancestors. You are still under slavery. I saw a debate on bbc this morning. Iran/Saudi. On hard talk. Both were exposing each other. Iran accusing Saudi for sponsoring extremists to America and Europe. Is Islam what you paint it ou what we see it to be? |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 11:08pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
analice107: Nice questions there... |
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by plappville(f): 11:10pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
Muhammad is Charlie. ..
|
Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by Nobody: 2:45am On Jan 15, 2016 |
plappville: So your god was dead for 3 days? |
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) ... (14) (Reply)
Sayings and Stories Of The Salaf / Ruling On Eating Onion And Garlic / Saudi Arabia Detains 400 Nigerian Female Hajj Pilgrims
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 125 |