Patchesagain:

STANAG 1... what a P.O.S
I dont understand why countries buy this stuff...

Primarily a policing vehicle, not military.

Nigerian Mid-shore Patrol Vessel

Henry240:
Nigerian Mid-shore Patrol Vessel

Bought by some kind of security company to protect your Oil and Gas rigs if i remember correctly??

Henry240:


Primarily a policing vehicle, not military.

According to @invincible007 source: http://www.milveterans..com, you guys had a friendly fire incident, were a T72 fired upon a Reva MRAP killing 3, including 2 South Africans apparently.......I want to know if you heard anything about it, as im a bit skeptical after reading that the author suggests that if the Reva was in good condition it would've shrugged of the hit!Now i dont care in how good of a condition that Reva MRAP couldve been, but there's not a single MRAP,APC,IFV,AFV ect ect that can withstand a 120mm or 105mm tank round.

Pic 1 SAS Spioenkop looking rather small next to HMS Dragon

Pic 2 HMS Dragon looking like a midget next to a Russian Kirov class Battlecruiser!!

Is this combo for the summer and winter naval uniforms common?especially for officers

jln115:


According to @invincible007 source: http://www.milveterans..com, you guys had a friendly fire incident, were a T72 fired upon a Reva MRAP killing 3, including 2 South Africans apparently.......I want to know if you heard anything about it, as im a bit skeptical after reading that the author suggests that if the Reva was in good condition it would've shrugged of the hit!Now i dont care in how good of a condition that Reva MRAP couldve been, but there's not a single MRAP,APC,IFV,AFV ect ect that can withstand a 120mm or 105mm tank round.

Actually, some of those MRAPs was from the S.A guys and according to my source, those Vehicles where not in perfect shape

jln115:

Bought by some kind of security company to protect your Oil and Gas rigs if i remember correctly??

It was purchased by HSOL, however the armaments and manning would be provided by the Nigerian Navy. The Nigerian Navy would arm it with 2x 23mm and 2x 12.7mm SK. Maintenance and fueling would by provided by HSOL.


Hence the caption as a Nigerian MPV, no navy inserted. It's actually an OPV going by the functions she's going to perform.

jln115:


According to @invincible007 source: http://www.milveterans..com, you guys had a friendly fire incident, were a T72 fired upon a Reva MRAP killing 3, including 2 South Africans apparently.......I want to know if you heard anything about it, as im a bit skeptical after reading that the author suggests that if the Reva was in good condition it would've shrugged of the hit!Now i dont care in how good of a condition that Reva MRAP couldve been, but there's not a single MRAP,APC,IFV,AFV ect ect that can withstand a 120mm or 105mm tank round.

That's the incidence that killed Leon Lotz, the South-African mechanic. The author simply doesn't know what he's talking about. The Reva won't stop a 12.7mm, a 23mm would cut through it like a hot knife through butter, there is absolutely no way it can withstand an MBT round.

Henry240:


That's the incidence that killed Leon Lotz, the South-African mechanic. The author simply doesn't know what he's talking about. The Reva won't stop a 12.7mm, a 23mm would cut through it like a hot knife through butter, there is absolutely no way it can withstand an MBT round.

*mercenary

Patchesagain:


*mercenary

Mechanic, Leon Lotz was a mechanic. at no point were there mercenaries in Nigeria.

its time we as africans choose other allies against this jihadist,i dont think america is too committed to help us.syria and iraq were in a state of despair until russia came to help.if you compare how much AID Ukraine is getting and what we getting in africa its dismal

Henry240:


Mechanic, Leon Lotz was a mechanic. at no point were there mercenaries in Nigeria.

I don't know why they like twisting the whole issue. Whenever any African countries employs the service of Contractors, they automatically becomes mercenaries. US extensively use Blackwaters but then, we termed them as contractors and not mercenaries.
Yes, Nigeria employed the service of STTEP in training 72MSF for just 3months. Their contract ended way back around March 2015 and there wasn't any renewal of contract, neither had this present government employed their service. Col. Eeben Barlow and his crews did a good job and we know how 72MSF puts BH on backpedalling. What's even the big deal in employing mercenaries if not for the slave-mentality some are having and white-supremacist-mentality inbred in some African.
We have so many wars and conflicts ongoing on the continent, but we aint ready to put down our pride and accept the help of other african--- ONLY WHITE(US,EUROPE,WEST,EAST) CAN HELP US. What Lubbish Rubbish Bubbish!!!

We all knows what the US did in North Africa and how some countries are faring security wise there now. That's BH running gaga in West africa, surpassing the record of ISIS/ISIL. We know where they got their weapons from and how they sourced their funds. The Western assasination of a sitting government in Libya says it all and we are here ranting about africans helping africans. So what if they are mercenaries from SA or NG or Kenya or Djibouti or Congo, so far we are cleansing the continent of terrorists and their sponsors.
We better settle down and have a rethink about how this continent is going to move forward. We are being bogged down with endless war while our economies are going down the drain--simply because we are spending more on fighting insurgencies than building and bettering(if there's any word like that) the lives of our citizens. How are we faring when we placed the West as the god and this is the same person that sent a Drone to obliterate an Hospital and still send back the drone to bomb people rescuing the injured/killed/maimed in the first strike.
And now, some contractors came from SA to help Nigeria in her CTCOIN, and the mainstream media are crying we employed Mercenaries simply because their(contractor) tactics works better than their own and we also are blowing fire--they are mercenaries. Who cares if they are aliens? Nonsense.

zambia air force Z-9

I watched with amazement how some Nigerians and South Africans Niggas are ranting over the Burundi's saga. Why do we like taking pride in the fall of others? Someone says he feels good when Nigerian Army runs from BH, what's the pride in that? Another person says Seleka Rebels puts South African troops to flight leaving behind weapons and dead soldiers, i asked, TO WHAT END?
Why can't we just put our (stinking)pride down and embrace each others so that this continent will be a better and safer place to dwell in? We just likes taking glory in the downfall of other africans, are we truely patrotics to the continents?
That's a report about Al-shabaab overrunning military facilities, killing officers and the US couldn't mustered a drone to suppress or give aerial cover. That's why i like Ethiopia.... I want the ethiopian's style. Send away any unuseful and parasitic foreign military that aint helping your course and goals. Had it been there was coordinations and agreement btw the east african Airforce(as some of you guys suggested), Alshabab wont have a field day like they had. We need to look inward and help ourselves Africans. I dont care if you are Black or chocolate or white africans, as far as you are from africa.
That's Russia, we know how they fares in Syria. That's US and its coalitions, we know how they too fares in Iraq and syria over a year ago.
There's a saying in Nigeria that: Nobody loves Nigeria better than Nigerians. And am saying Nobody loves Africa better than Africans. If we dont love our continent, nobody will.
Stop taking pride and happiness in the downfall of other africans.
Look inwardly and tell me how many conflicts had been reported in North America (with exception of guns incidents) or South america(exception of drug cartels). How many? That's it.
That's middle east that has been turned into hotbed of war and radicalism. Check africa, from Burundi to CAR to Nigeria to Mali to Libya to Egypt to somalia to Algeria to kenya to niger to cameroon to chad... Etc and you will see countless bloodshed and unending conflicts. How will the continent grows economically when we get bored with fighting upon fighting. Isn't that why contractors from african are developing ways of countering western influence to destabilized the continent? We need spiritual recrudescence. We Africans can only stop the massacres we are witnessing everyday. Who cares if SA's are trainignwith their Nigerians counterpart or Malawi training a small unit of Egyptians army or Guinea-Bissau having military drills with Algeria. Who gives a damn? Let's for once stop the animosity toward other powers on the continent.

Henry240:


Mechanic, Leon Lotz was a mechanic. at no point were there mercenaries in Nigeria.

So, of all the mechanics in the world (and nigeria)... you just happened to hire a "mechanic" who was a former 32 Bn operator?

Come on dude.

The Nigerian army was facing an enemy they had never fought before, and were fighting a war they had never fought before.

So you hired some merc's to help build institutional and operational experience. There is no shame in it.

Who do you think formed the nucleus of the South African special forces in the early 1970's? It was former Rhodesian operators.

No shame in it at all.

africaken:
its time we as africans choose other allies against this jihadist,i dont think america is too committed to help us.syria and iraq were in a state of despair until russia came to help.if you compare how much AID Ukraine is getting and what we getting in africa its dismal

Russians are sh1tty allies.

Vlad is only in Syria because it suits the "great game" he is playing with Obama.

In the G8 summit he offered to pull out of Syria if the Americans recognized the Novo-Russian states in the Dombass (Ukraine), Obama said no... so Vlad will just wait until the next president comes along and will offer the same deal.

Syria is just a pawn in Russia's Geo-Political agenda.

Patchesagain:


So, of all the mechanics in the world (and nigeria)... you just happened to hire a "mechanic" who was a former 32 Bn operator?

Come on dude.

The Nigerian army was facing an enemy they had never fought before, and were fighting a war they had never fought before.

So you hired some merc's to help build institutional and operational experience. There is no shame in it.

Who do you think formed the nucleus of the South African special forces in the early 1970's? It was former Rhodesian operators.

No shame in it at all.

I really honestly do not know what shame you're talking about.




Lotz is reportedly from KwaZulu-Natal, and was engaged in
the support and care of vehicles used by the Nigerian
military in their current onslaught against insurgency.



https://www.naij.com/401378-south-african-contractor-mistakenly-killed-in-nigeria.html



*P.S, I have no problem with Eeben Barlow or his company. I know the guy, he's a great African, a beegeagle's blogger for the past 3years and a good friend of Nigeria.

Patchesagain:


Russians are sh1tty allies.

Vlad is only in Syria because it suits the "great game" he is playing with Obama.

In the G8 summit he offered to pull out of Syria if the Americans recognized the Novo-Russian states in the Dombass (Ukraine), Obama said no... so Vlad will just wait until the next president comes along and will offer the same deal.

Syria is just a pawn in Russia's Geo-Political agenda.

Even if russia is a Shitty ally, we aint blind to their mission in Syria and to America and allies mission in syria and iraq. We know the mission(between the two) that is bringing result and the one based on propaganda and unseriousness. Yes, the stationing of Moskva sister ship, the firing of cruise missiles by corvettes and submarine from mediterranean and caspian seas and the deployment of S400, BUK and Pantsir is a muscle flexing but still, we are seeing results. Syria is a testing ground for various Russian weapons but still, they aint muscle flexing alone(conveying a message to the west and NATO), they are dealing a decisive/death blow to Daesh/ISIL/ISIS/IS in syria. The Syrians won't talk the way you are talking-- because they know those helping from those aggravating the war. Over 23,000 bombing were carried out by US the world over in 2015 alone.
I am first an african before claiming to be an earthling(alienic). And common sense dictates that with partly showing of muscle, partly fighting ISIL, Russia fares better in Syria than the western coalitions years of bombing.

Patchesagain:


So, of all the mechanics in the world (and nigeria)... you just happened to hire a "mechanic" who was a former 32 Bn operator?

Come on dude.

The Nigerian army was facing an enemy they had never fought before, and were fighting a war they had never fought before.

So you hired some merc's to help build institutional and operational experience. There is no shame in it.

Who do you think formed the nucleus of the South African special forces in the early 1970's? It was former Rhodesian operators.

No shame in it at all.

Not really.

They joined after Zimbabwe's independence.

more rescued arrive

tell tehm abeg. COnstantly comparing D**k sizes and forgetting the enemy is out there!!

Vikkie14:
I watched with amazement how some Nigerians and South Africans Niggas are ranting over the Burundi's saga. Why do we like taking pride in the fall of others? Someone says he feels good when Nigerian Army runs from BH, what's the pride in that? Another person says Seleka Rebels puts South African troops to flight leaving behind weapons and dead soldiers, i asked, TO WHAT END?
Why can't we just put our (stinking)pride down and embrace each others so that this continent will be a better and safer place to dwell in? We just likes taking glory in the downfall of other africans, are we truely patrotics to the continents?
That's a report about Al-shabaab overrunning military facilities, killing officers and the US couldn't mustered a drone to suppress or give aerial cover. That's why i like Ethiopia.... I want the ethiopian's style. Send away any unuseful and parasitic foreign military that aint helping your course and goals. Had it been there was coordinations and agreement btw the east african Airforce(as some of you guys suggested), Alshabab wont have a field day like they had. We need to look inward and help ourselves Africans. I dont care if you are Black or chocolate or white africans, as far as you are from africa.
That's Russia, we know how they fares in Syria. That's US and its coalitions, we know how they too fares in Iraq and syria over a year ago.
There's a saying in Nigeria that: Nobody loves Nigeria better than Nigerians. And am saying Nobody loves Africa better than Africans. If we dont love our continent, nobody will.
Stop taking pride and happiness in the downfall of other africans.
Look inwardly and tell me how many conflicts had been reported in North America (with exception of guns incidents) or South america(exception of drug cartels). How many? That's it.
That's middle east that has been turned into hotbed of war and radicalism. Check africa, from Burundi to CAR to Nigeria to Mali to Libya to Egypt to somalia to Algeria to kenya to niger to cameroon to chad... Etc and you will see countless bloodshed and unending conflicts. How will the continent grows economically when we get bored with fighting upon fighting. Isn't that why contractors from african are developing ways of countering western influence to destabilized the continent? We need spiritual recrudescence. We Africans can only stop the massacres we are witnessing everyday. Who cares if SA's are trainignwith their Nigerians counterpart or Malawi training a small unit of Egyptians army or Guinea-Bissau having military drills with Algeria. Who gives a damn? Let's for once stop the animosity toward other powers on the continent.

invincible007:


Actually, some of those MRAPs was from the S.A guys and according to my source, those Vehicles where not in perfect shape

Doesn't matter, the fact that the Author thinks a MRAP can survive a 120mm tank round, proves he has no idea what his talking about.

denisfidha:
more rescued arrive

This incident is quite unfortunate, we need to go back and re-draw our tactics. The enemy is constantly evolving and he poses a serious security threat to all Africans, especially those of us in Kenya, Nigeria and Egypt.

Henry240:


It was purchased by HSOL, however the armaments and manning would be provided by the Nigerian Navy. The Nigerian Navy would arm it with 2x 23mm and 2x 12.7mm SK. Maintenance and fueling would by provided by HSOL.


Hence the caption as a Nigerian MPV, no navy inserted. It's actually an OPV going by the functions she's going to perform.

I know Damen South Africa, is offering a similar platform to fill the IPV/MPV requirement under project Biro, only difference is the variant Damen is offering to US is the Stan Patrol 5009 which is 51m in length.

jln115:

I know Damen South Africa, is offering a similar platform to fill the IPV/MPV requirement under project Biro, only difference is the variant Damen is offering to US is the Stan Patrol 5009 which is 51m in length.

The Nigerian Navy also received two MPVs from Damen South-Africa in a similar arrangement. The Navy just arms and mans them, while the company is in charge of management and Maintenance.

5 MPVs in all. 3 from the Netherlands, 2 from South-Africa.

Henry240:


This incident is quite unfortunate, we need to go back and re-draw our tactics. The enemy is constantly evolving and he poses a serious security threat to all Africans, especially those of us in Kenya, Nigeria and Egypt.

Alshabaab has been known to change tact everytime something fails, you constantly have to evolve with them meaning lots of intelligence.... like in this incident, it has emerged that KDF always managed to get upperhand info of impending attack because of locals in the sorounding areas, but this time the locals seem to have aided the terrorists.. In all the attackes alshabaab has conducted on different troops from Burundi,Uganda,Ethiopia....it has always been just after rotation when troops are new to the area so this needs to be checked. either troop rotation becomes a top-secrete mission or rotation happens is small batches.

The war in Somalia used to be about clan politics---It seems this has never changed

Details of Al Shabaab attack on Kenyan forces emerge

The soldiers killed and injured by Al Shabaab at El Adde in Somalia's Gedo region belonged to 9th Kenya Rifles formation in Eldoret and arrived in Somalia by road two days before the attack by militants, military sources indicate. KDF soldiers in Somalia under AMISOM are deployed for periods and are often rotated within Somalia itself or are withdrawn and replaced with other soldiers after a certain period. The 9th Kenya Rifles is an infantry formation and the soldiers, some who were on their second tour of duty in Somalia, left Eldoret two weeks ago for Mandera before entering Somalia by road last week. The sources also told The Standard that identification of the deceased and notification of families may take long because most of the bodies were dismembered extensively in the massive explosions.
Depending on the extent of dismemberment, a few may be identified by the tag which bears the soldier's name, blood group and other details. Additional information on identity will come from debriefing of the injured but most information will be known from DNA sequencing of next of kin after collection of all available body parts from the scene of Kenya's worst battlefield carnage. Although KDF and Somalia National Army (SNA) work in collaboration and the Somali forces are considered friendly forces, there is little or no interaction between soldiers and even SNA commanders are not allowed into KDF camps.

Foot patrols

SNA forces are often lightly armed and lack enough armour. KDF's bases in Gedo are not similar to what readers are accustomed to in the permanent barracks—they are mainly tented or camouflage embankments in a flat and extensively cleared area, secured by watchtowers and armed sentries atop armoured personnel carriers (APC). Besides moving in the APC, soldiers mount foot patrols in townships and are also supported by air cavalry helicopters and fixed-wing jet fighters in some missions. The camps contain the command centre and include all sorts of teams including medical corps, fighting units, tank platoons, artillery and mortar batteries and teams, besides reconnaissance and other fighting units such as special forces.

We have also established that although special forces have arrived by air in and around the wrecked base, other Kenyan forces in Busar, Taraqa, Fafaxaduun, El Win and Bardheere have not moved into El Adde for lack of reliable intelligence and fear that the militants, who are said to have included Kenyan foreign fighters, might have mined this area or rigged it with explosives. If confirmed, the toll reported to be over 60, it would mean that more than half of the soldiers stationed at the camp were wiped out in the huge explosion detonated by a suicide bomber early on Friday. The camp had one company or the equivalent of 100 to 150 soldiers commanded by an officer. Reports show that a suicide bomber drove the Vehicle Borne Improvised Explosive Device (VBIED) into the centre of the Kenyan camp and detonated a huge bomb with a fragmentation radius of 200 metres.
Militants then surged in with rockets and machine guns. Many of them also perished in the 5am explosion. Some accounts now indicate that more than one VBIED was detonated. And sources within the military told The Standard that special forces were deployed in areas around El Adde on Friday during the day and Saturday for search and rescue operations. The Standard also established that Kenya's military command authorised search and rescue operations on Friday to locate any soldiers missing in action, investigate the battlefield and attack the militants who, reportedly, broke into small groups after inflicting the damage. The investigation also seeks to establish reports that some local residents and elements within the SNA aided the assault on the KDF camp. The audit, according to sources, also seeks to assess intelligence if any, laxity and reconnaissance failures, review relations with SNA and establish whether anything could have been done to destroy the VBIED before it went deep into the KDF camp. A military official told The Standard that a section of the local population appears to have aided the planning of the attack, beginning with the secretive insertion of the VBIED days or weeks before Friday's carnage. The official ,who cannot be named, told The Standard that "we received reports that the entire population of El Adde fled the town about three hours before the attack, which means they were aware something was about to happen." But the official reports that this behaviour is a bit unusual because the civilian population in these areas tend to flee conflict zones days in advance fearing to be caught up in skirmishes "but in this case they stayed behind until the last moments, which means either they co-operated in the preparations in order not to alert the KDF reconnaissance teams if they fled en masse or were coerced to stay."
Most of the ethnic Marehan in Gedo resent KDF and consider them to be supportive of their ethnic rivals the Ogaden who now control Kismayu port. Marehan warlords lost control of Kismayu many years ago and Gedo region was the birthplace of Islamic movements after the collapse of the Siyaad Barre regime in 1991. Historically, it also has a strong martial history, being the late Barre's birthplace and backbone of his military. Relations between KDF and the local Marehan population have been frosty since KDF's invasion in 2011 and El Adde's capture in December that year.
Ethnic Marehan provide the bulk of Al Shabaab militants in Gedo region but relations between them and KDF and elements within SNA have been frosty since the detention of SNA's top military official in that region Brigadier Abbas Gure in Kismayu several years ago. Two years ago Gure was detained in Kismayu, apparently by KDF and Ras Kamboni Brigade fighters. Relations between Abbas, who now is stationed in Bardheere which is held by Ethiopian and Kenyan forces, and Mohamed Hersi Islam Madhobe, the interim president of Jubbaland are frosty. See also: High alert in Wajir over suspected Al Shabaab Meanwhile we also established that the VBIEDs used in the attack were made from an Armoured Personnel Carrier captured from Burundian peacekeepers last year and taken to the outskirts of El Adde from Wargadud, 40km north of El Adde. It is believed that it was either towed or pulled painstakingly for days, most possibly at night to evade detection by KDF's reconnaissance.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000188497/details-of-al-shabaab-attack-on-kdf-emerge?articleID=2000188497&story_title=details-of-al-shabaab-attack-on-kenyan-forces-emerge&pageNo=3

Patchesagain:


Russians are sh1tty allies.

Vlad is only in Syria because it suits the "great game" he is playing with Obama.

In the G8 summit he offered to pull out of Syria if the Americans recognized the Novo-Russian states in the Dombass (Ukraine), Obama said no... so Vlad will just wait until the next president comes along and will offer the same deal.

Syria is just a pawn in Russia's Geo-Political agenda.

the west can b@#$ all they want about putin and come up with all manner of conspiracy theories.the west as we know it will do anything for their saudi wahhabi and gulf states friends to the detriment of humanity.only after russia involvement did we see ISIS opponents start making territorial gains.the west has lead the world post cold war and look how sh@t it has become.america was the ally of ethiopia during the war with somalia back in 1977/78 and almost lost the war,only after USSR and cubans came to their rescue did the tide of the war change.now compare that with what america did to rescue israel during the Yom Kippur War

jln115:

Doesn't matter, the fact that the Aurthur thinks a MRAP can survive a 120mm tank round, proves he has no idea what his talking about.

125mm actually.

Henry240:


I really honestly do not know what shame you're talking about.




Lotz is reportedly from KwaZulu-Natal, and was engaged in
the support and care of vehicles used by the Nigerian
military in their current onslaught against insurgency.



https://www.naij.com/401378-south-african-contractor-mistakenly-killed-in-nigeria.html



*P.S, I have no problem with Eeben Barlow or his company. I know the guy, he's a great African, a beegeagle's blogger for the past 3years and a good friend of Nigeria.

Suure he was... it makes total sense to hire an experience COIN operator to fix cars... at like 10X the salary that a normal mechanic gets.

It also makes soo much sense that he would be riding in an MRAP on the frontlines when he was killed... just like white guys with blond hair totally werent flying your Hinds when you first got them...

Come now dude. Lets be realistic here.

MikeCZAR:
125mm actually.

Yes!!you right!! Forgot the T72 uses a 125mm gun

Interesting comment by Heitman regarding the Ratel sales to cameroon:

What we should be doing is converting those not needed as ICVS as the Badger enters service to APCs: Refurbish, remove turret and replace with commander's cupola and an overhead machinegun mounting, re-engine if necessary, and that is one fewer new Sapula APC that we have to buy.
We are far too quick to get rid of things and then realise far too late that we should have kept them - Eland-90 (now we have no combat vehicle that the SAAF can transport), C-160 (now we have too little airlift capacity and none that can transport an Oryx in a useful state, and SAS Outeniqua (now we are short of support ships and have no sealift capacity at all).
Has we kept all 1 200 or so Ratels, that would have addressed about one third of the new APC requirement.
We did the same with infantry weapons: Threw away the R1s just before various armies came to realise that 5.56 mm is not always the ideal calibre; threw away the FN Heavy Barrels just before it became clear that we would be participating in peacekeeping and peace-enforcement where they would have served well as basic counter-sniper (what irregular forces regard as snipers) weapons, threw away the Uzis and shotguns just before beginning with operation in rural parts of the DRC where a rifle bullet carries very real risk of overpenetration resulting in civilian casualties.
And so on....