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Re: He Wants More Children by byvan03: 4:57pm On Jan 18, 2016
Armyofone surrogacy makes a lot of sense, but if am the man I will accept this as long as she is footing the bills .
Re: He Wants More Children by bqlekan(m): 5:25pm On Jan 18, 2016
armyofone:
Hmmmm
instead of poly, just discuss surrogacy with your wife.

Nah, inasmuch as I detest polygamy, I don't think I will go for surrogacy, I won't risk my kids having two mothers... grin moreover, it's not our thing in this part of Africa and my religion frowns at it.
Re: He Wants More Children by tpiar: 5:49pm On Jan 18, 2016
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Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 5:54pm On Jan 18, 2016
Fvckin clowns everywhere. grin grin grin


tpiar:


aunty, the economy is not stable right now, dollar is N305 .

Please do not encourage adultery, fornication and out of wedlock kids in these harsh times. Na you go feed them?

you can go open shop as hooker if the thing dey grip you pass.

your mates who want to be baby mamas though, are doing it for single, never married males, this your own na odi o.

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Re: He Wants More Children by kaziblake(f): 6:14pm On Jan 18, 2016
Are they nigerians?
The economy is too hard to train 2kids talk less of more.
I know of a woman that her husband pressurized her into getting more kids all in the name of he needed a son,she couldn't give him a son,she gave birth to 5 girls and he abandoned her because of it.
don't blame the woman,she might have her reasons.

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Re: He Wants More Children by Jahblessme: 6:56pm On Jan 18, 2016
The main thing i understand from the Op is that her main problem is that the woman won't let the man practice his polygamy,it's not even about her wanting more kids.
It's not surprising to me though that it's a fellow woman condemning another over something she has absolutely no understanding of(no kids and not yet married)...So it's easy to sit in a corner and pass judgement over another woman's decision for herself and her well being especially since you are not really in the know about her personal life.If she doesn't want polygamy,shay the man is free to divorce her and move on.Is it not to say "I divorce you " three times?Not everyone can share a man they love knowingly with another woman culture or not.

There's absolutely nothing wrong in not wanting more kids.I have 2 because that's all i want.I do not enjoy being pregnant,waddling like a duck,endless pee stops,lack of sleep due to discomfort,endless ultrasound scans etc i do not enjoy the toddler phase,i do not enjoy the noise and disruption so plenty children definitely not for me.And i say this without apologies.Not every one is cut out to populate the earth.I knew this before hand and Dh and I already agreed on 2 no matter the gender.Life is unpredictable and we don't want to spend the whole of it changing diapers and doing school run.Just not for us.Our families sit where they are and claim we are playing God and that God gives kids and he will always provide no matter what.Seems they do not understand that having more kids is a choice and a person can actively prevent pregnancy.

Now,the man wants more kids NOT because he loves kids o but because he wants to have a son.This is a very slippery and dangerous road to travel because there is NO assurance that the 3rd one will be a boy.So if its not what next? Keep on trying and then what? Stop at 5? Stop at 10?This has to be a factor playing in the woman's head..where will she now draw the line and say NO?Since their culture accepts polygamy,if she says no now or if she says no more later,won't it still have the same outcome?I'm pretty sure she's no fool and probably knows the man she's married to.
I'm speaking as someone coming from a family of over 7 girls all because my dad was boy hunting..all to no avail o!! My father also wanted 2 kids cheesy cheesy

She can accept a compromise and have one more,she can dig in and refuse..it all depends on her but i won't stay here and say her decision is wrong or right in an issue that's as dicey as this cos i don't know the intricacies of her marriage.
She can also make him dole out cash for gender selection that way ,they will have the boy by force and everyone will be satisfied ie if his motive is just another child and not n excuse for another iyawo.

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Re: He Wants More Children by cococandy(f): 6:59pm On Jan 18, 2016
What's your relationship with the man?
Brother, uncle, friend etc
Just asking.

P.S if the man's family desires more children, they can give birth to those ones themselves.
Person no dey born pikin for someone else.

Nubian113:
All this "it's about her" malarkey. What about this Man's family?His mother who desires a grandson or more children. So He must loose out on his linage because of his so called wife,lover and partner. Hun she had no birth complications. She didn't go to work for the ten years he did. He paid the bills and loved her alone. Now he can't have his God giving right to procreate. I feel for African men in the west I swear. BeCause if this was Somaliland he would've remarried and even her mother will whoop her ass if she complained. But in the west he must compromise just so she won't leave with his daughters.


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Re: He Wants More Children by Chillis: 7:28pm On Jan 18, 2016
Let him go and marry another woman who will bore him baby boy.

If the wife no gree. She can carry her load and move out leaving the kids behind for the rightful owner.
It doesn't matter if her health is in danger.

That's the faith of most Nigeria woman. They have no say here. I wonder why the man never give one ekaette bellé yet. What's he waiting for? Advice from nairalanders. ?

Mtshewwww

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Re: He Wants More Children by Miami11: 8:01pm On Jan 18, 2016
Chillis:
Let him go and marry another woman who will bore him baby boy.

If the wife no gree. She can carry her load and move out leaving the kids behind for the rightful owner.
It doesn't matter if her health is in danger.

That's the faith of most Nigeria woman. They have no say here. I wonder why the man never give one ekaette bellé yet. What's he waiting for? Advice from nairalanders. ?

Mtshewwww
Very ignorant rubbish post. Hope you are not married. Her health does not matter Hope you smoking something.

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Re: He Wants More Children by Chillis: 9:09pm On Jan 18, 2016
Miami11:

Very ignorant rubbish post. Hope you are not married. Her health does not matter Hope you smoking something.

If you like burst your Varicose vains for my matter. N'a you sabi.

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Re: He Wants More Children by Chillis: 9:12pm On Jan 18, 2016
Miami11:

Very ignorant rubbish post. Hope you are not married. Her health does not matter Hope you smoking something.

Dp
Re: He Wants More Children by raumdeuter: 9:35pm On Jan 18, 2016
What if the woman wants children and the man says he doesnt want?

Or the woman says she wants 4 and the man says he only want 1. What should happen?

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Re: He Wants More Children by Pidggin(f): 11:08pm On Jan 18, 2016
Nubian113:
If your husband after 2 children wants more children and you say no to his wishes then what is he to do especially if you're against a polygamous relationship.

I know a man in this predicament. I think the wife is wrong to play God with his destiny because it's his right to have as many children has he wants. Why won't she accept a polygamous relationship at least. She wants him to leave his home for another man to raise his kids. Women we can be so bad minded I swear... This man loves you can't you give him more kids or another wife? Come on now you gotta take one for the team IMHO



*man in question is capable of supporting a large family*

** No complications at both pregnancy
**10+ years marriage
** 2 girls but husband wants to try for a son
** he loves her & the children
** no agreement as such before marriage but he has made it clear he'd like a big family

In my opinion the wife is being a little harsh. Maybe I think like this because I've not had children yet. They really really love each other and he'd do anything for her so why deny him a son? I dont understand all these rights...

What is your business? Don't worry, one day people will discuss your issue on social media the same way you are discussing theirs.

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Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 4:48am On Jan 19, 2016
Pidggin:


What is your business? Don't worry, one day people will discuss your issue on social media the same way you are discussing theirs.

Sighs. Ok. I'm sorry?
Re: He Wants More Children by Exponental(m): 7:30am On Jan 19, 2016
To what extend is he ready to give up if a son doesn't come? Maybe the wife asked this and his answer wasn't nice.

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Re: He Wants More Children by ameenahz(f): 8:32am On Jan 19, 2016
Nubian113, no offence meant, but is this man interested in you or vice versa? Why are you hell bent on totally accepting one side of the story without considering the woman's reasons? You think the man cannot lie to you?

I would love to hear your opinion on this matter when you get married and start having kids. Again, no offence meant, please.

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Re: He Wants More Children by ameenahz(f): 8:39am On Jan 19, 2016
raumdeuter:
What if the woman wants children and the man says he doesnt want?

Or the woman says she wants 4 and the man says he only want 1. What should happen?

Sincerely, i am trying very hard not to be biased, but it isn't working. Lol.

Anyway, 1 child is too 'few' na, if they are able to have more.
Re: He Wants More Children by TV01(m): 10:16am On Jan 19, 2016
Morning, apologies for not replying earlier, I really wanted too as I am genuinely at a loss here
EnlightenedSoul:
It's a basic biological human right, which can be and often is determined and ascertained by other outstanding factors, some of which you've already taken the liberty of mentioning. Your local laws, your abilities (physical, financial, etc), your capabilities (fertility, etc), and spousal willingness, etc.
What are these biologial rights we have, or that exist? And if it's a "basic" right, why can it be altered by laws?

To contrast, "liberty" is a right. No one has the right to enslave anyone else. What factors or laws should determine, ascertain, or otherwise impinge on that right?

EnlightenedSoul:
If you're asking what should happen when disagreement strikes, I have no way deciding that for anyone.
No, I wasn't asking. We all have our views and I'm sure the couple in question do too.

EnlightenedSoul:
However, I will say that I wouldn't blame or blacken the image of those who leave infertile (or unwilling) partners with the hopes of having children they could otherwise never have, nor those who refuse to bear children they don't want in the case of women or refuse contribution to their bearing in the case of men. They are justified in what they chose to do with their own genetic material, and they've their own reproductive rights alongside that of their partners.
And here is the rub, and why I specifically asked about the situation in a marriage context. Marriage is by definition, with very little variation. Yes, couples can agree beforehand, but that is at best an articulated desire, and no necessarily what will happen.

In marriage, it's not about individual "rights" or desires. It's about the whole, with reasonable consideration for each other. So case in question, the man is not being unreasonable as narrated by OP.

As for "genetic material" that's a falsehood, even if unintended. If a man impregantes a woman and decides he does not want a baby, he can't force an abortion - hence no, or limited choice in what happens to his "genetic material"


TV

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Re: He Wants More Children by Yeske: 10:37am On Jan 19, 2016
bqlekan:


Sir/ma, never. advise a woman to go for family planning without the husband's consent.. a relationship end game.. you'd understand better if you are a man..

Really? What if the man refuses to understand the woman's stand as seen in this case? I don't think it is wrong sha. #Personal opinion
Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 2:52pm On Jan 19, 2016
TV01:
Morning, apologies for not replying earlier, I really wanted too as I am genuinely at a loss here

What are these biologial rights we have, or that exist? And if it's a "basic" right, why can it be altered by laws?

To contrast, "liberty" is a right. No one has the right to enslave anyone else. What factors or laws should determine, ascertain, or otherwise imping on that right?


No, I wasn't asking. We all have our views and I'm sure the couple in question do too.


And here is the rub, and why I specifically asked about the situation in a marriage context. Marriage is by definition, with very little variation. Yes, couples can agree beforehand, but that is at best an articulated desire, and no necessarily what will happen.

In marriage, it's not about individual "rights" or desires. It's about the whole, with reasonable consideration for each other. So case in question, the man is not being unreasonable as narrated by OP.

As for "genetic material" that's a falsehood, even if unintended. If a man impregantes a woman and decides he does not want a baby, he can't force an abortion - hence no, or limited choice in what happens to his "genetic material"


TV
Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 2:59pm On Jan 19, 2016
In this stalemate, surrogacy seems to b the best option. I hear you can actively determine sex of a child these days.

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Re: He Wants More Children by bjcole(m): 3:34pm On Jan 19, 2016
DBestDoc:
They were supposed to have agreed on the number of kids to have during courtship to avoid situations like this , that is what courtship is meant for.

@ op, your post is so biased. That woman has got her own choices, needs and life goals too, It must not always be about what the man wants. What exactly does he need more Children for? is he looking for a particular gender or he just wants a full house?

The fact that he is capable of supporting a large family doesn't mean he should become the father of many nations. He is not the one birthing those kids, so i understand why he is hell bent on having more.

IMO, two is a good number. What matters is quality and not quantity, they should concentrate on raising the kids right and the outcome could be better than what you get with 10 children put together...

I still don't believe there are people that go into marriage blindly without discussing and sorting out issues like this first in this age. They need to come to a compromise if they still want to remain married.
Don't you think your own post is so biased too, you may plan to have 5 kids before marriage and you end up with 2kids and vice-versa. If they plan to have 2 and the man based on how God blesses him decides they should have more, is he wrong? he is the head of the family, I think the family should just come to an understanding for what is best for the family. I don't know of any sane man that wants his wife to suffer from child bearing, nobody wants his wife looking sag, and issue of compromise whether they want to remain marry does not come in, the Op said they love each other
Women should soften this issue of divorce, anything misunderstanding in marriage does mean you have to be discussing whether you want to still be married or not. That you are empowered and independent does not give you licences to want out of marriage. Women glow better when they are under their husband with mutual respect for each other.

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Re: He Wants More Children by Creamish(f): 4:34pm On Jan 19, 2016
@OP... Have u ever bothered to hear the wife's reasons? They ought to have agreed on the number of kids they want in their marriage. I don't support your notion on the wife being selfish.

I know of families wit at least 7 female kids all in their search for a male child...so...more births does not automatically equate to the promise of a male child. It is also not the woman's fault that all they have are female children.

I'll advise u stay out of their business. I rily hope for the sake of the survival of their marriage that u are neither the man's confidant nor his sole adviser cos u clearly do not have their best interest at heart judging by your posts.

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Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 4:58pm On Jan 19, 2016
Creamish:
@OP... Have u ever bothered to hear the wife's reasons? They ought to have agreed on the number of kids they want in their marriage. I don't support your notion on the wife being selfish.

I know of families wit at least 7 female kids all in their search for a male child...so...more births does not automatically equate to the promise of a male child. It is also not the woman's fault that all they have are female children.

I'll advise u stay out of their business. I rily hope for the sake of the survival of their marriage that u are neither the man's confidant nor his sole adviser cos u clearly do not have their best interest at heart judging by your posts.

The woman is very close to me I love her and like her husband I supported her decision 7yrs ago and I minded my business. I haven't spoke to her about this and I never will because it's not my place.

I bought this here because watching the man suffer has changed my views on such issues as polygamy, rights, ect.

Everyone keeps saying they shoulda planed before marriage but that's bs because when you're in love you say things and years later one is not allowed to change their mind? How he felt about family planning changed along the way... She is healthy, and able but she really doesn't wanna go through all that again. She is a good mum and her two daughters are her testimony. It's not just having a son hun its about having a large family with someone you love. What if the next pregnancy is a healthy bouncing boy? That's also a chance is it not?

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Re: He Wants More Children by Creamish(f): 5:13pm On Jan 19, 2016
Nubian113:


The woman is very close to me I love her and like her husband I supported her decision 7yrs ago and I minded my business. I haven't spoke to her about this and I never will because it's not my place.

I bought this here because watching the man suffer has changed my views on such issues as polygamy, rights, ect.

Everyone keeps saying they shoulda planed before marriage but that's bs because when you're in love you say things and years later one is not allowed to change their mind? How he felt about family planning changed along the way... She is healthy, and able but she really doesn't wanna go through all that again. She is a good mum and her two daughters are her testimony. It's not just having a son hun its about having a large family with someone you love. What if the next pregnancy is a healthy bouncing boy? That's also a chance is it not?

Then u need to rephrase ur initial post...especially where u said the lady is denying him a son.

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Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 5:56pm On Jan 19, 2016
Creamish:


Then u need to rephrase ur initial post...especially where u said the lady is denying him a son.

But why She has denied him A son, another daughter, another son? I'm not taking sides but the problem is what it is... So what's the solution?
Re: He Wants More Children by Burntpalace: 6:05pm On Jan 19, 2016
Nubian113:


The woman is very close to me I love her and like her husband I supported her decision 7yrs ago and I minded my business. I haven't spoke to her about this and I never will because it's not my place.

I bought this here because watching the man suffer has changed my views on such issues as polygamy, rights, ect.

Everyone keeps saying they shoulda planed before marriage but that's bs because when you're in love you say things and years later one is not allowed to change their mind? How he felt about family planning changed along the way... She is healthy, and able but she really doesn't wanna go through all that again. She is a good mum and her two daughters are her testimony. It's not just having a son hun its about having a large family with someone you love. What if the next pregnancy is a healthy bouncing boy? That's also a chance is it not?

grin grin grin

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Re: He Wants More Children by Creamish(f): 6:51pm On Jan 19, 2016
Nubian113:


But why She has denied him A son, another daughter, another son? I'm not taking sides but the problem is what it is... So what's the solution?

It is neither ur place nor mine to offer them a solution. My view on this differs from urs...so will the solution.

If ur concern is genuine, offer prayers for them. They will reconcile however best they deem fit.

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Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 9:13pm On Jan 19, 2016
Creamish:


It is neither ur place nor mine to offer them a solution. My view on this differs from urs...so will the solution.

If ur concern is genuine, offer prayers for them. They will reconcile however best they deem fit.

That's very true hun. They will I'm sure... But... Thank you for your contribution though. I absolutely understand your stand point though.
Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 9:14pm On Jan 19, 2016
Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 6:43am On Jan 20, 2016
DBestDoc:
They were supposed to have agreed on the number of kids to have during courtship to avoid situations like this , that is what courtship is meant for.

@ op, your post is so biased. That woman has got her own choices, needs and life goals too, It must not always be about what the man wants. What exactly does he need more Children for? is he looking for a particular gender or he just wants a full house?

The fact that he is capable of supporting a large family doesn't mean he should become the father of many nations. He is not the one birthing those kids, so i understand why he is hell bent on having more.

IMO, two is a good number. What matters is quality and not quantity, they should concentrate on raising the kids right and the outcome could be better than what you get with 10 children put together...

I still don't believe there are people that go into marriage blindly without discussing and sorting out issues like this first in this age. They need to come to a compromise if they still want to remain married.

I don't think she is biased. Clearly. she has no stronh reasons to refuse him. I want the same number of kids too but I am willing to be flexible.

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Re: He Wants More Children by Nobody: 6:45am On Jan 20, 2016
bjcole:

Don't you think your own post is so biased too, you may plan to have 5 kids before marriage and you end up with 2kids and vice-versa. If they plan to have 2 and the man based on how God blesses him decides they should have more, is he wrong? he is the head of the family, I think the family should just come to an understanding for what is best for the family. I don't know of any sane man that wants his wife to suffer from child bearing, nobody wants his wife looking sag, and issue of compromise whether they want to remain marry does not come in, the Op said they love each other
Women should soften this issue of divorce, anything misunderstanding in marriage does mean you have to be discussing whether you want to still be married or not. That you are empowered and independent does not give you licences to want out of marriage. Women glow better when they are under their husband with mutual respect for each other.

How do you suffer from child bearing?

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