italo:


I see. Including those ones among you whose doctrine is to eat snakes and drink petrol (for example) abi...

Your own 'body of Christ' teaches thousands of different, contradictory doctrines abi...

That's the Church Jesus founded abi...the one that teaches you that something is white, then teaches your brother that the same thing is black...abi?

This is so unnecessary. You're one of the top RCC voices on this forum and i expect something better from you instead of all these cheap diversions. Scandals are found also in the Roman Catholic church. From child sex abuse, to the time of the Crusades and all the killings in the name of Christ, to the gay priests and infidelities of monks and nuns. Sin and folly is not only among 'protestants' and non professing christians. You need to know the definition of the universal Body of Christ, it is beyond your myopic view of it. The RCC synods right from the early centuries were to iron out DIFFERENCES in doctrines and beliefs, so don't come here forming saint in unity of belief. Most other denominations also have their internal wranglings and external agreements/doctrines.

italo:


When did Christ found these shops?

Provide biblical evidence?

Jesus Christ did not found the Roman Catholic Church either. The early church never referred to themselves as the Roman Catholic Church. They even saw others like Paul and James as leaders, they saw all the apostles as leaders. They had no so called pope, knew nothing about the vatican or about praying to, through or for Mary. They had no special regard for Rome or whoever it's Bishop was.

Ubenedictus:
Jesus founded one church, one faith, one baptism, one lord. if ur 'denomination' is part of dat church it should have one faith.

Faith is in Jesus. Anyone that believes in the Lord Jesus is a member of the Church.
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Ubenedictus:
one Lord, one faith, one baptism, dat is d church. do ur denominations share dat.

Most of the popular denominations claim to, from RCC to MFM to RCCG to DeeperLife etc and other churches outside Nigeria. they all claim to believe in one Lord, one faith, one baptism. They have it in their Bibles also.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

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This is so unnecessary. You're one of the top RCC voices on this forum and i expect something better from you instead of all these cheap diversions. Scandals are found also in the Roman Catholic church. From child sex abuse, to the time of the Crusades and all the killings in the name of Christ, to the gay priests and infidelities of monks and nuns. Sin and folly is not only among 'protestants' and non professing christians. You need to know the definition of the universal Body of Christ, it is beyond your myopic view of it. The RCC synods right from the early centuries were to iron out DIFFERENCES in doctrines and beliefs, so don't come here forming saint in unity of belief. Most other denominations also have their internal wranglings and external agreements/doctrines.

We are talking about faith/doctrine, not scandal/sin which even existed among the apostles.

The Church of Jesus Christ has one faith. The Catholic Church says it is the one true Church...and it has one faith/doctrine. Even Atheist know our stand on many issues.

You say the Church includes all your mushroom Churches we see around. Do they have one faith, one baptism? E.g what does your protestants teach about contraception? Hahaha.

And I'm not a top Catholic voice. Don't patronize me. Rather, face the truth.

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Those are not vague dates and names, that's church history. i don't want to go down details about church history as that will waste my time currently and it is plainly not what you need. Authenticity is not found in dates and names.

You don't want to go down details because you don't have the details so you concoct lies about the origin of the Catholic Church that have no backing anywhere.

If you don't know the origin, the Christian thing to do is shut up, rather than lie...just to make the Catholic Church look like your mushroom protestant shops that sprang up just yesterday.

Kukah is right. And RCCG members are Christians and apostles of Jesus Christ by the order of St. Peter and Paul and like Kukah.

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Jesus Christ did not found the Roman Catholic Church either. The early church never referred to themselves as the Roman Catholic Church. They even saw others like Paul and James as leaders, they saw all the apostles as leaders. They had no so called pope, knew nothing about the vatican or about praying to, through or for Mary. They had no special regard for Rome or whoever it's Bishop was.

The early Church had a heirarchy...and they had apostolic succession.

Where is that Church and heirarchy today? Where are the apostolic successors of that Church today?

The gates of hell have prevailed against them?

Hahaha!

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Faith is in Jesus. Anyone that believes in the Lord Jesus is a member of the Church.
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Even Jehovahs witnesses who believe in Jesus and say God raised him but say Jesus is Archangel Michael, not God, are part of the Church?

So your "Church" has thousands of faiths instead of "one faith?"

Your Church is not the Church of Jesus and the apostles.

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Most of the popular denominations claim to, from RCC to MFM to RCCG to DeeperLife etc and other churches outside Nigeria. they all claim to believe in one Lord, one faith, one baptism. They have it in their Bibles also.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Yet they don't all have one faith...how can they then be part of the one Church?

italo:


We are talking about faith/doctrine, not scandal/sin which even existed among the apostles.

The Church of Jesus Christ has one faith. The Catholic Church says it is the one true Church...and it has one faith/doctrine. Even Atheist know our stand on many issues.

You say the Church includes all your mushroom Churches we see around. Do they have one faith, one baptism? E.g what does your protestants teach about contraception? Hahaha.

And I'm not a top Catholic voice. Don't patronize me. Rather, face the truth.

Eating snakes and drinking petrol is not a doctrine is it? It is a scandal, a situation causing public outrage. i'm sure you are aware that the guy's church was burnt and he was manhandled? Even atheist know the different denominations' stand on many issues, it is usually found on their websites, the RCC is no different. The only difference if we can call it so is the age of the different denominations and the catholic's church continued change and revisions through synods and councils. Many of the new denominations are not yet old enough or big enough to start their own revisions, if Jesus tarries. Each denomination has their stand or no stand on different social issues. One thing they do is try to harmonize with their headquarters or GOs. It is no different with the RCC which harmonises with the Vatican headquarters and the pope. It is no different from businesses and companies that have their policies. That one breaks from the other do not make them legal as far as they follow the right procedures. The owners of UBA, GTB, Zenith and co worked in other banks before. FirstBank or Union Bank is not more real or authentic simply because they are older or some of the new generation bank CEOs once worked there. Many churches/denominations have come out of the catholic church, the Methodist, the Baptist, Apostolic Faith, even from RCCG, Deeper Life and co. Sam Adeyemi of Daystar was from Living Faith or so. It don't make one more authentic than the other, it don't make one false and the other true. That the RCC claims to be the true church does not make it true. It is like Redeem claiming they are the only christians redeemed, or Winners claiming that they are the only winners. It is silly but that is what most members of the RCC do. Who knows what the Catholic teach about gay marriage?
i said you are one of the top RCC voices on this forum. It's obvious. you've been on the forum for a long time and are very vocal on issues pertaining or concerning RCC. These are facts. Nobody is saying you are good or bad so i'm not patronising you. i'm just saying you should know better than to be using old worn out lines like catholic is the true church because there is contradiction and scandal in other denominations. That is very lame.

italo:


You don't want to go down details because you don't have the details so you concoct lies about the origin of the Catholic Church that have no backing anywhere.

If you don't know the origin, the Christian thing to do is shut up, rather than lie...just to make the Catholic Church look like your mushroom protestant shops that sprang up just yesterday.

Nobody is disputing that the RCC is the oldest denomination or about so. What we are saying is that God's church is not in buildings and denominations, it is men, human beings who have received the Lord Jesus Christ all over the world. It is God that knows them all, it is not given to men to determine who they are. However, we know or at least assume some of them by their fruits. i say assume because we do not know their hearts and mptives and we are not perfect in knowledge. The thief at the cross, the believers at Ephesus who did not know whether there was any Holy Ghost, the ethopian eunuch and many more were all christians. They knew nothing about the RCC or the pope or its creeds. They are members of the Body of Christ. 'Great' and popular christians like the apostles, Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Matyr knew nothing about the RCC or its rituals and rites. They had no pope neither did they answer to anybody in Rome. They did not pray to or through Mary.
Lemme indulge you a little. Don't worry, you did not spring up yesterday, you are very old, maybe older than methuselah sef if that helps/makes you more authentic. The church has always had to deal with false doctrine and disagreements so shelve your so called one faith theory. These were usually settled by meetings like in Acts 15 and later through councils and synods. From gnosticism to docetism to ebionites to montanism to arianism and on and on. These were the knids of fights or apologetics that brought about the establishment of creeds and articles of faith, so that people will better align. Suffice to say that these were all man made efforts to hold the church and they clearly did not last as more and more adjustments and break ups continued. Church leadership(Bishop votes) often prevailed as is usually the case in every society and government. As at 190AD, there was no pope or RCC or Roman/Vatican dominion. History shows us a dispute the churches had at that period about when to celebrate Passover. The then Bishop of Rome tried to resolve by banning the asian churches from Christian fellowship. It was Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons that was able to resolve the matter. The Roman bishop's attempt to assume authority was overturned and the two parties agreed to allow the different practices(different dates of Passover observance) to continue. It was around then that Irenaeus wrote the Rule of Faith providing the churches with some measure of orthodoxy/conformity. The more definite and formal Creeds were still about 200years away from 190AD.
Tertullian lived around 150-225AD. He knew nothing about the RCC as it had not yet being formed. There was no pope or authority from Rome. however, Tertullian is credited in history for many of the theological terms in common use today. terms like Trinity, Sacrament, Penitence, resurrection, and New Testament to describe the latter part of the Bible. He's a church father no doubt and the catholics picked up a lot from his writings, however he was never a Roman Catholic. Cyprian the Bishop of Carthage was a great influence in the formation of the Roman catholic church, though even him was not a Roman Catholic. there was nothing like that in his time 200-258AD. he only saw himself as a christian, saw the church as one and did what he thought was good to defend it. Carthage's main language was Latin and Cyprian was talented/gifted in administration. No doubt many christians LOVED him, and he is the source of most of those Latin talk in Roman Catholicism. They read his prayers, thought and co which were in latin. When Cyprian became a christian, he sold his gardens, gave himself to celibacy, poverty and Bible study. He was so devoted and within very short time was elected Bishop of Carthage. He introduced most of that dignity and carriage seen in the office of the bishop. During his time, when there was strong persecution and he was in hiding, Bishops of Rome, Antioch and jerusalem were all killed. Evidently, he became the 'senior' or leader or elder in the church. In fact, when a particular Stephen the new Bishop of rome attempted to assert his authority in a dispute by claiming to be a successor of Peter, he still had to back down to the more influential Cyprian. These are all in church history. It is clear that even as at Cyprian's time, there was no god in Rome's vatican. Although the RCC forms rites and way was beginning to take shape. In a later twist which would eventually solidify Rome's preeminence in the RCC, Cyprian wrote a treastise called the Unity of the Church. In it, it talked aboutr the church resting on the foundation of the Bishops, talked about Peter as the prince of apostles, and about the Bishop of Rome occupying a special position among Bishops. Despite these, he never accepted that Rome could dictate matters to other Bishops in his lifetime. His wuruwuru which has no biblical or historical backing is what many RCC people carry on their heads like gala today.

italo:

The early Church had a heirarchy...and they had apostolic succession.

Where is that Church and heirarchy today? Where are the apostolic successors of that Church today?

The gates of hell have prevailed against them?

Hahaha!

If they are deceiving you, is it not worse that you deceive yourself? Where was so called church hierarchy and apostolic succession in the Bible and in the first three centuries AD? if not for Constantine that gave the RCC mouth. Of course, you must know him. nonetheless, lemme indulge you and remind you. Constantine the Great was Emperor of Rome in the 3rd century. Constantine had an unexpected victory in 312AD that he credited to the God of the christians. This victory made him the emperor of the western half of the roman empire. After this victory, he gave the church a favoured position where other emperors had persecuted and hated the church. Many church buildings were erected and he built two basilicas in Rome for Peter and Paul, that one at the Vatican and one on the ostian way. christianity enjoyed special privileges and preferences under his rule and it became fashionable for the people to become or be associated as christians. Formalism, use of vestments and candles was introduced(RCC loading), ritual replaced simplicity. On church issues, church leaders began to appeal to the Emperor on amtters they could have settled. Constantine called for a council of bishops in Gaul in 314AD.. He also called and presided over the council of bishops in Nicaea in 325AD. This was the first ecumenical council of the church. The central issues apart from Arius and his creed was the need to adopt a STATEMENT OF FAITH that would clearly define what christians believed about Jesus. The so called 'one faith' that Roman Catholics develop fits about was not even available as at 324AD. It was at the council of Nicaea that credal professions of faith came to be used as standards whereby orthodoxy was measured. This is the kind of stuff that the RCC uses till tomorrow to measure whether a denomination is catholic(true) or not. If your denomination claims anything else, it matters not if it is in the Bible, you are termed non-catholic, by implication not part of the true church. Quite contrary to the commands of the Lord Jesus who said not to condemn or judge anyone.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Note that even at these, there was no official Roman Catholic Church yet.There was no pope, though it was very much in the mould. Even with the lives of Constantine and Eusebius who were chiefly instumental for the start of the RCC and of course whom we owe the debt of much of church history(Eusebius). He and Constantine helped create the great christian Empire which morphed into the RCC. By the end of the 4th century, the church could no longer tolerate any form of christianity than that permitted by law(political power don dey). Only the catholic faith was allowed. That is those churches that held to an agreed Rule of Faith and a body of sacred literature were considered members of the catholic church.
"In 380AD, Emperor Theodosius published an edict in which he ordered that the Faith taught to the Romans by Peter should be accepted by all nations. The title of catholic was henceforth to be reserved for those churches which adhered to the creed declared at the council of Nicaea, and it became the legal religion of the Romans. Already the church in Rome was claiming spiritual authority over the other churches, and the bishop there began to assume the title of Pope."(culled from 70 Great christians). That's where the Roman Catholic hierarchy began officially and constitutionally.

italo:


Even Jehovahs witnesses who believe in Jesus and say God raised him but say Jesus is Archangel Michael, not God, are part of the Church?

So your "Church" has thousands of faiths instead of "one faith?"

Your Church is not the Church of Jesus and the apostles.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

If any man thirst, let him come. It obviously is not your call or privilege to decide.

italo:
Yet they don't all have one faith...how can they then be part of the one Church?

They claim to have one faith just like you claim to.

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Most of the popular denominations claim to, from RCC to MFM to RCCG to DeeperLife etc and other churches outside Nigeria. they all claim to believe in one Lord, one faith, one baptism. They have it in their Bibles also.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

which lord, they cant agree on pretty much anything, dat isnt d one church with one faith.
i saw d joke u wrote for italo, very funny.

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Faith is in Jesus. Anyone that believes in the Lord Jesus is a member of the Church.
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

WHICH JESUS?

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The catholic church started about 3 centuries after Jesus' ascension. The early christians did not think of or call themselves catholic church. They were simply disciples, followers of Jesus(Christians), brethren. They did not have pope and they were all called to be saints. The Bishop of rome had no bearing or power until some over 200years after. There was no where in the early century of some idea of sole successor to Saint Peter and other such rubbish the RCC carries on its head like gala. It was in the 3rd century that th Bishop of Rome started to act as a kind of court/arbiter for issues that other Bishops/pastors could not resolve. Of course this was politically motivated with the likes of Constantine and Theodosius being in power and embracing Christianity as a state religion throughout Roman empire. Go and find something better to do with life and with the gospel than all these useless mastubations about being the first or oldest church. Who has that one helped? Every believer wants to see God, go to Heaven, please God and that is more important and critical than history and founder quibblings.

These Roman emperors were Byzantine i.e Greek and based in Constantinople, not Rome. If you want to falsely accuse any church of this Constantine thing you will have to accuse the Eastern Orthodox Church.

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Nobody is disputing that the RCC is the oldest denomination or about so. What we are saying is that God's church is not in buildings and denominations, it is men, human beings who have received the Lord Jesus Christ all over the world. It is God that knows them all, it is not given to men to determine who they are. However, we know or at least assume some of them by their fruits. i say assume because we do not know their hearts and mptives and we are not perfect in knowledge. The thief at the cross, the believers at Ephesus who did not know whether there was any Holy Ghost, the ethopian eunuch and many more were all christians. They knew nothing about the RCC or the pope or its creeds. They are members of the Body of Christ. 'Great' and popular christians like the apostles, Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Matyr knew nothing about the RCC or its rituals and rites. They had no pope neither did they answer to anybody in Rome. They did not pray to or through Mary.
Lemme indulge you a little. Don't worry, you did not spring up yesterday, you are very old, maybe older than methuselah sef if that helps/makes you more authentic. The church has always had to deal with false doctrine and disagreements so shelve your so called one faith theory. These were usually settled by meetings like in Acts 15 and later through councils and synods. From gnosticism to docetism to ebionites to montanism to arianism and on and on. These were the knids of fights or apologetics that brought about the establishment of creeds and articles of faith, so that people will better align. Suffice to say that these were all man made efforts to hold the church and they clearly did not last as more and more adjustments and break ups continued. Church leadership(Bishop votes) often prevailed as is usually the case in every society and government. As at 190AD, there was no pope or RCC or Roman/Vatican dominion. History shows us a dispute the churches had at that period about when to celebrate Passover. The then Bishop of Rome tried to resolve by banning the asian churches from Christian fellowship. It was Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons that was able to resolve the matter. The Roman bishop's attempt to assume authority was overturned and the two parties agreed to allow the different practices(different dates of Passover observance) to continue. It was around then that Irenaeus wrote the Rule of Faith providing the churches with some measure of orthodoxy/conformity. The more definite and formal Creeds were still about 200years away from 190AD.
Tertullian lived around 150-225AD. He knew nothing about the RCC as it had not yet being formed. There was no pope or authority from Rome. however, Tertullian is credited in history for many of the theological terms in common use today. terms like Trinity, Sacrament, Penitence, resurrection, and New Testament to describe the latter part of the Bible. He's a church father no doubt and the catholics picked up a lot from his writings, however he was never a Roman Catholic. Cyprian the Bishop of Carthage was a great influence in the formation of the Roman catholic church, though even him was not a Roman Catholic. there was nothing like that in his time 200-258AD. he only saw himself as a christian, saw the church as one and did what he thought was good to defend it. Carthage's main language was Latin and Cyprian was talented/gifted in administration. No doubt many christians LOVED him, and he is the source of most of those Latin talk in Roman Catholicism. They read his prayers, thought and co which were in latin. When Cyprian became a christian, he sold his gardens, gave himself to celibacy, poverty and Bible study. He was so devoted and within very short time was elected Bishop of Carthage. He introduced most of that dignity and carriage seen in the office of the bishop. During his time, when there was strong persecution and he was in hiding, Bishops of Rome, Antioch and jerusalem were all killed. Evidently, he became the 'senior' or leader or elder in the church. In fact, when a particular Stephen the new Bishop of rome attempted to assert his authority in a dispute by claiming to be a successor of Peter, he still had to back down to the more influential Cyprian. These are all in church history. It is clear that even as at Cyprian's time, there was no god in Rome's vatican. Although the RCC forms rites and way was beginning to take shape. In a later twist which would eventually solidify Rome's preeminence in the RCC, Cyprian wrote a treastise called the Unity of the Church. In it, it talked aboutr the church resting on the foundation of the Bishops, talked about Peter as the prince of apostles, and about the Bishop of Rome occupying a special position among Bishops. Despite these, he never accepted that Rome could dictate matters to other Bishops in his lifetime. His wuruwuru which has no biblical or historical backing is what many RCC people carry on their heads like gala today.

You are either lying or ignorant if you think you can use St Ignatius, St Ireneous, St Cyprian and St Justin to debunk the Roman Primacy. Also you mention persecution in Jerusalem as the reason for the rise of the papacy. You are apparently unaware that the Church of Rome suffered the worst persecution. The first 33 popes were all crowned with martyrdom. Also just look at the Roman catacombs for further evidence. Now to the fathers:
Ignatius of Antioch
You [the See of Rome] have envied no
one, but others have you taught. I desire
only that what you have enjoined in your
instructions may remain in force ( Epistle
to the Romans 3:1 [ A.D. 110 ]).

Cyprian
With a false bishop appointed for
themselves by heretics, they dare even to
set sail and carry letters from schismatics
and blasphemers to the Chair of Peter and
to the principal church [at Rome], in which
sacerdotal unity has its source" ( Epistle
to Cornelius [Bishop of Rome] 59:14 [ A.D.
252 ]).

Optatus
In the city of Rome the Episcopal chair
was given first to Peter, the chair in which
Peter sat, the same who was head — that
is why he is also called Cephas — of all
the apostles, the one chair in which unity
is maintained by all. Neither do the
apostles proceed individually on their
own, and anyone who would [presume to]
set up another chair in opposition to that
single chair would, by that very fact, be a
schismatic and a sinner. . . . Recall, then,
the origins of your chair, those of you who
wish to claim for yourselves the title of
holy Church" ( The Schism of the Donatists
2:2 [circa A.D. 367 ]).

Clement of Rome
Accept our counsel and you will have
nothing to regret. . . . If anyone disobeys
the things which have been said by him
[Jesus] through us, let them know that
they will involve themselves in no small
danger. We, however, shall be innocent of
this sin and will pray with entreaty and
supplication that the Creator of all may
keep unharmed the number of his elect
( Letter to the Corinthians 58:2, 59:1[ A.D.
95 ]).


St Ireneous:

Since, however, it would be very
tedious, in such a volume as this, to
reckon up the successions of all the
Churches, we shall put to confusion
all those who… assemble in
unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I
say,] by indicating that tradition
derived from the Apostles, of the
very great, the very ancient, and
universally known Church founded
and organized at Rome by the two
most glorious Apostles, Peter and
Paul; as also [by pointing out] the
Faith preached to men, which comes
down to our time by means of the
successions of the bishops. For it is
a matter of necessity that every
Church should convene with this
Church, on account of its preeminent
authority, that is, the faithful
everywhere, because the apostolic
tradition has been preserved
continuously by those [faithful men]
who exist everywhere.[1]

Ubenedictus:
WHICH JESUS?

How many do you know?

Ubenedictus:
which lord, they cant agree on pretty much anything, dat isnt d one church with one faith.
i saw d joke u wrote for italo, very funny.

You didn't read the book i quoted from? It's the Holy Bible so stop asking rhetorical questions. If you have nothing to say, it is better to keep quiet like you initially did and the other guy did.

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How many do you know?

D VERY MANY YOUR DENOMINATIONS TEACH.

Emmm.....who cares who founded the church. The requirements for salvation are clearly stated in the bible.
What has your church founder got to do with it??

The history of Churches stated are correct. The Truth that Bishop Kukah cleverly avoided is that those Founders were all equally, though at different times, founded by Jesus Christ Himself. The first Pope in Rome, we all know, was Saint Peter. Saint John s Gospel 17 expressed the Prayer of Christ to all His Disciples He was leaving behind and to those of us who would believe in Him through their Teachings. He taught further onhow to be Born Again and inherit Eternal Life and on how to be baptized by the Holy Spirit and receive the Comforter. So from that time, whether you accepted Christ 2000+ years ago or just yesterday, you are on same level as St. Peter, The Pope in Rome or in Alexandria, the Archbishop of Canterbury or in Cyprus, Fadayomi, Kumuyi, Oyakilome, I myself etc etc. The Sanctuary(Church) of Nigeria will soon be founded in Jesus Name and when that happens, the Founder will qualify by the order of Melchizedex. The Founder will receive similar Crown at the Temple of Grace on earth and in Heaven like Jesus Christ. May God help us all IJN AMEN!!!!

Ubenedictus:
D VERY MANY YOUR DENOMINATIONS TEACH.

i know just one, care to enlighten us on these many that you know?

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i know just one, care to enlighten us on these many that you know?

I hear one is an archangle, another is only a man, another God who was never really man, another fully God and fully man, all of d above cannot all b d same Jesus at d same time, sum1 has gat d wrong Jesus so u cant tell me they all accept one Jesus.

Jaydenphoenix:
Emmm.....who cares who founded the church. The requirements for salvation are clearly stated in the bible.
What has your church founder got to do with it??

It matter wu founded d church because Jesus made several promises to d church he founded, promises important for d knowlegde of d truth. so if u are not in dat church JESUs founded then u have been cheated.

Ubenedictus:
I hear one is an archangle, another is only a man, another God who was never really man, another fully God and fully man, all of d above cannot all b d same Jesus at d same time, sum1 has gat d wrong Jesus so u cant tell me they all accept one Jesus.

i can also bring up queer Roman catholic views about Jesus and God and mary etc. Those are different understandings and perceptions about Jesus. People have different and perhaps wrong perceptions and understanding of their parents and siblings all the time. This does not ultimately erase the fact that they are still their parents and siblings. For instance, many a kid think their parents to be superhumans and the best parents in the world and able to buy them aeroplanes etc. This is minor and not as critical as the understanding and belief that Jesus is the Son of God that died for their sins on the cross and rose up on the third day.

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i can also bring up queer Roman catholic views about Jesus and God and mary etc. Those are different understandings and perceptions about Jesus. People have different and perhaps wrong perceptions and understanding of their parents and siblings all the time. This does not ultimately erase the fact that they are still their parents and siblings. For instance, many a kid think their parents to be superhumans and the best parents in the world and able to buy them aeroplanes etc. This is minor and not as critical as the understanding and belief that Jesus is the Son of God that died for their sins on the cross and rose up on the third day.

we are talking about religious faith and u are telling stories

Ubenedictus:
we are talking about religious faith and u are telling stories

Same thing was said about Jesus, that He was telling stories.

We all follow the same path even in this discussion even as we do in our lives. Religion, denomination, sect, etc. Whatever happened to personal relationship with God. For the purpose of this discussion, i will refer to Christianity; who do you believe saved your soul and called you into His perfect light? Common now! Does it always have to end in an argument? Is winning an argument the crux here? Can we read and ponder and please just try to find your position in Christ. Opinions are like noses, everyone has one and we all are entitled to an opinion. Christ is the nucleus of our faith let us focus and avoid distractions in the name of denominations and their superiority.
Jesus Christ is coming soon and Him alone is Judge over all. Shalom brethren!