jln115:

SA : Most technologically advanced and Self sustainable Force in Africa.

Patchesagain:


1. Citation for Niger dock

Patchesagain:


1. So says we import all engines?

Henry240:


You spend most of that money on anti-retroviral drugs.


Still doesn't explain why half your navy fleet is obsolete.

A full half....... Buhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

agaugust:


Nope, liar !

According to the official website of SAAB Grintek, the company is 100% SAAB of Sweden technology imported into South Africa, they have similar branches in Australia too !!!!

"Saab AB-Sweden serves the global market with world leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defense to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customer’s changing needs. Research, development and production are carried out in Sweden, South Africa and Australia.

Saab in South Africa has capabilities ranging from electronic warfare, sensor technology, command & control systems, training systems, radio communication equipment, aviation, telecommunications and support solutions."

http://www.saabgrintek.com/about.php

Glory thieves, they want to steal Sweden's technology and call it proudly made in South Africa, later you will say you built Gripen jet and you built Volvo automobiles ! Thieves of Soweto !
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Henry240:


Your project biro is at least 23years old.


Patrick so you hide the information from us that half your fleet is obsolete all this time.


Heitman says you don't have the money, project biro only exists on paper.


Why is half your fleet of Navy assets obsolete?

Henry240:


Point out were he said that?


He said half your fleet is obsolete


He also said you don't have the money to prosecute your defence review or any serious capital expenditure.


So jillingy, tell the world why the most "advanced" military in africa have half of it's navy fleet obsolete?

Henry240:


Technologically advanced, how?

Self sustainable, how?



Is smoking weed in South-Africa legal?


How is a defence industry which relies on europe for 80% of all components and China for 70% of it's steel self sustaining?

agaugust:


You make Rooivalk engines? Badger engine is from Finland. REVA, Casspir and other MRAP engines are from Germany....and so on !

SA defence industry is NOT self sustaining, you are as exposed to risk of war time arms embargo as any other African country
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agaugust:


http://www.nigerdock.com/operations/shipyardservices

Patchesagain:


A full half that is in the final stages of being replaced.

At least we dont buy obsolete ships - 60 year old cutters, 40 year old irish patrol boats

Patchesagain:


We use cubans because they are cheaper than local mechanics

Henry240:


Patrick Lawd knows you have no shame!!



So 3 vessels equals half the South-African Navy fleet. Buhahahahahahahahahaha


Final stages of what, the apartheid government sent in motion project biro, heitman says you have no money.


Are you supposed to fund the acquisition using voodoo?


We've seen the interior of NNS Okpabana, it is a highly digital vessel, more advanced than your patrol corvettes.


Anyway, that's by the way, we talking about the half obsolete fleet of the SA navy.


Why is half your fleet obsolete?

agaugust:


[s]Show us proof that foreign expatriates paid in US Dollars are cheaper than Zulus paid in Rands.

South Africa has NO mechanics capable of repairing the SAMIL trucks, your own home made defence products

Show us proof that the Cubans are cheaper, show us the salary scale evidence or a source that confirms it. Liar.[/s]

Patchesagain:


been posted before

Stop wasting my time.

agaugust:


[s]Nope, you NEVER posted it !

Each Cuban mechanic is paid 360,000 Rands per year plus free house, free transport, and free mobile phone, How many Zulu mechanics earn that much? Even your senior army officers earn far less than that !

100 Cuban mechanics X 360,000 Rands X 3 years...add free house, free transport, free mobile phones....Show me a Zulu mechanic tat earns that much in his life time !!!!!

SANDF is paying Cuba heavily because South African defence industry CANNOT repair it's own Samil truck product, you need Cuban help[/s]
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jln115:

Dude just shutup....Drakensberg is the largest ship ever built in Africa.

Patchesagain:


South Africa built a tank. We built a MBT

Henry240:
50% of SA navy vessels obsolete


Buhaahahahahaha


CC : Patches689, Agaugust, Iblawi, Jln115


Analysis:Sliding rand has serious implications for SANDF

Written by Helmoed Heitman, Wednesday, 03 February 2016


The steady slide in the value of the Rand since 2011 holds serious implications for the Defence Force, with the dramatic slide in December serving to underscore that. That recent slide may yet be reversed in the near term, but the longer-term trend will be more difficult to reverse.
The obvious risk is to equipment projects, and that faces the Defence Force with challenges it will find difficult to overcome. Government’s foot-dragging over equipment projects since the ‘Strategic Defence Packages’ has left the Defence Force very patchily-equipped: It has some modern equipment courtesy of those packages (frigates, submarines, Gripen, Hawk, Lynx) and 1990s projects (Rooikat, G6, Rooivalk, Oryx), and the is Badger entering production, but much else is obsolescent at best (Olifant, Casspir, Mamba, Samil, C-130) or totally obsolete (Dakota).

There are also critical capability gaps: The Navy has too few ships and half are obsolete; there are no maritime patrol aircraft; and the Army lacks real air defence capability. Assuming South Africa intends to play a regional role, there are also the lack of heavy/long-range airlift, tanker aircraft and sealift to consider.

Less obvious is the challenge of more expensive spare parts, which will limit the ability to keep existing equipment operational and hamper training. Even less obvious is the indirect impact of the sliding Rand, which will hit the economy and thus government revenue and the national budget.

Unless funds are reprogrammed from under-performing ministries to defence - hardly likely - there is little likelihood of even a small increase in defence funding.


If the Rand does not recover from its present parlous state against the major currencies, there is little chance of satisfying equipment requirements, and a budget that continues to limp along just below inflation will be fatal to efforts to implement the Defence Review, even those aspects that do not involve new equipment. And failure to at least begin implementation will see a rapid decline in capability.

Patchesagain:


8 vessels equals half the fleet

Project Biro was not set into motion by them... or else we would have got them in 1998

Where did Heitman say we have no money? Does Heitman work for the Navy or Treasury?

NNS Okpabana is obsolete in every sense of the term

Half our fleet is obsolete because it is old, and is being replaced.

Do you want me to list the obsolete vessels of your fleet? ok!

NNS Aradu (F89) -obsolete
NNS Thunder (F90) -obsolete
NNS Andoni (P100) -obsolete
NNS Ekpe (P178) -obsolete
NNS Damisa (P179) -obsolete
NNS Agu (P180) -obsolete
NNS Siri (P181) -obsolete
NNS Ayam (P182) -obsolete
NNS Ekun (P183) -obsolete
NNS Burutu (P174) -obsolete
NNS Zaria (P173) -obsolete
NNS Kyanwa (A 501) -obsolete
NNS Ologbo (A 502) -obsolete
NNS Nwamba (A 503) -obsolete
NNS Obula (A 504) -obsolete
NNS Ohue (M371) -obsolete
NNS Barama (M372) -obsolete
NNS Ambe (LST1312) -obsolete

henry, why is 90% of your fleet obsolete? Why is 50% of that non-operational?

Henry240:


Address the issue.

Why is half the South-African navy fleet obsolete?

Project biro is an apartheid era project, it is still a paper project. You cannot replace ships with papers, it just can't happen.

agaugust:


Show us proof that foreign expatriates are cheaper than Zulus.

Each Cuban mechanic is paid 30,000 Rands per month plus free house, free transport, and free mobile phone, How many Zulu mechanics earn that much? Even your senior army officers earn far less than that !

South Africa has NO mechanics capable of repairing the SAMIL trucks, your own home made defence products

Show us proof that the Cubans are cheaper, show us the salary scale evidence or a source that confirms it. Liar.

agaugust:

30 year old obsolete ship, big metal junk

agaugust:


30 year old obsolete ship, big metal junk

Henry240:


Zulus got no brains. The SANDF has to import mechanics from a tiny island to fix vehicles 54 million South-Africans cannot fix.


Their own products.... They need foreigners to repair their own products.

So absurd!

Patchesagain:


I will address the issue when you show me that Project Biro is an Apartheid ear project

agaugust:


30 year old obsolete ship, big metal junk

Henry240:


Evidence has been posted, Andrewza, your navy sailor also confirms project biro is an apartheid era project.


Search the archives


Project biro which doesn't even exist seeks to replace 3 IPVs.

We know half your fleet is supposed to be replaced,

In essence 3 vessels represents South-Africa's navy fleet.

LMFAO


This is beyond pathetic!

Thiza:
SOUTH AFRICAN PRIVATE MILITARY COMPANIES

THALES
COMPANY PROFILE
AMD is the Aerospace, Maritime and Defence Industries Association of South Africa. Its primary objectives are the representation of the industry in matters of mutual interest, and the promotion of a profitable, sustainable and responsible industry. The association is acknowledged as the only trade association of South Africa's defence industry (SADI), and is mandated by its members to promote and champion the collective interests of the industry. It comprises a cluster of leading companies in the South African private and public sector that supply defence materiel, products and services.
http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjQv9e11N3KAhUH6xoKHdLhCKUQFggaMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amd.org.za%2Fdirectory%2Fcompany%2F69%2FThales_South_Africa_Systems_(Pty)_Ltd.jma&usg=AFQjCNFaTxjv3DvBC4R5hlkrwBIjvSHP5w

ZEBRA ARMOUR

COMPANY PROFILE
South Africa has a first world infrastructure with skilled labor and high quality suppliers of raw materials used in the ballistic and body armour industry.The directors of the company have over 20 years of experience in the body armour business. Our strength lies in the engineering and development of efficient production processes resulting in highest quality products at very competitive prices. Due to our investment into high-Tec plant and the expertise of our research team, our weight /performance ratios beat other manufacturers.

http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj1mpie1d3KAhUBUhoKHd2SBwAQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zebraarmour.com%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwVth5ffHaj61SkiyuOw1mhfo9cQ

Patchesagain:


Yes, it is absurd because your argument is absurd!

Thus, since you now realize you are being absurd, you are now prepared to realize that is not why they were imported!

agaugust:

[s]
Dude, THALES is an European company owned by France. They only opened branch in South Africa. They own you actually. If France withdraws the technology you import from them, THALES South Africa will collapse totally.

Your long list of SA defence industries is mostly full of those producing police batons, uniforms, kit, etc

The only strong companies are Denel, German Rheinmetall, French THALES, Swedish SAAB Grintech. The rest are too tiny.

Meanwhile, check out Nigeria's shipyards where we make IPVs, MPVs and soon to build a Landing Ship LST !!!

I am sure you never expected such huge manufacturing and maintenance industry to be in Nigeria. Shock you !!![/s]
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Henry240:


[s]How can foreigners be imported to fix your own vehicles?


It simply means there are simply no Zulus out of a 54 million population remotely intelligent enough to fix your military vehicles. This is a national security issue.[/s]