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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:45pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust: O really? That is their buisness model? Buy companies for fun? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:45pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Now you have to prove Andrew called me out. Provide that evidence. * what he said is, anytime i need to corroborate my story, i should call(mention) him, he would support me. Project Biro is nearing no completion, perhaps in your wet dreams, but in reality NO. How is your 50% obsolete fleet? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:46pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Henry240: Nope. You said he agreed with you. Onus of proof is on you. I find it strange, why wont you substantiate this claim? All evidence shows Biro is nearing completion, or did 80 companies bid on the tenders for fun? Just fine - it is fully operational and is being replaced. How is your 90% obsolete 50% operational fleet crewed by sailors who cannot swim? PS: Still waiting for you to show us how Biro is for only 3 vessles - which begs the question, are you st.upid or just trolling? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:56pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Patchesagain: 60m IPV ? Even the great Shaldag Ocean Interceptor is abiut 24m only ? When standard MPVs measure about 40m ? IPV with towed array sonar that ASW Frigates struggle to carry ? Are you cräzy ? Okay SAN has not bought IPV in 30 years so you need to travel to Nigeria to see what a standard IPV looks like. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:08pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Patchesagain: About a total of 2 billiion Rands to be paid by SANDF to the team of 100 mechanics from tiny Cuba that teaches your army engineers how to repair vehicles your overhyped South African defence industry built inside your own backyard !!! Shame !!! 100 Cuban mechanics X 360,000 Rands X 3 years...add free house, free transport, free mobile phones = about 2 billion Rands total project cost of Cuban mechanics team. Show me a Zulu mechanic that earns that much in his life time !!!!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:36pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
AfroArab:If you don't believe me, go google it. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:40pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Henry240:Its called LOGIC my friend!! something you have very little of. The Valour isn't obsolete, neither are the subs, Drakensberg is getting old, but she's far from obsolete, thus that leaves as with the 4 Strike craft and 4 mine hunters. And? we are implementing the first milestone of the Defence Review, funding will come!! might just be a next year instead of this year. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:43pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Henry240:LinkZA,Chaka C2,Valours,Heroines,Badger,Umkhonto,A-Darter,Gripen,Hawk,Rooivalk,Rooikat,G6,G5,Batuluer,Seeker400,EW suits ect ect ect Largest Defence industry in Africa, and one of the Largest in the world. it illegal. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:44pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust:Yet she's newer than the majority of your fleet 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:47pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust:Largest Defence industry in Africa, and one of the largest in the world!! That's how. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:54pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
jln115: Egypt has the largest and heaviest defence industry in Africa, they produce thousands of Abrams tanks, thousands of missiles and artillery, they also produce vehicle and aircraft engines, and tens of thousands of heavy calibre munitions like howitzer and mortar shells, tens of thiusands. South Africa is overhyped. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:56pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Henry240:Who said anything about 3 vessels?? We have 4 Strike Craft and 4 Mine Hunters plus 1 Survey ship that = 9 which is about half of our blue water fleet. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:58pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust:18th Largest Defence industry in the World!! deal with it!! Also Egypt is nothing without the Defensive aid of the US!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:02pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Henry240:Because like all things of this world, ships get old....believe it or not!! That's why they are being replaced by Project Biro and Project Hotel. How is 90% of air force fleet non-operational? Also how is 50% of your Navy fleet non-operational? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:11pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Patchesagain: You posted old fleet. We have a huge brand new fleet. ● NNS Centenary brand new stealth ● NNS Unity brand new stealth, delivery 2016 ● NNS Zaria brand new stealth ● NNS Burutu brand new stealth ● NNS Dorina brand new ● NNS Andoni I brand new ● NNS Andoni II brand new, delivery 2016 ● 1 Survey ship, construction starts 2016 ● 1 Landing Ship Tank, construction starts 2016 ● 9 Shaldag Interceptors, brand new ● 6 OCEA FAB, brand new ● 60 X-38 Stealth combat catamarans, brand new ● 300 IPVs and amphibious landing crafts, brand new purchased year 2006-2012 ● 100 IPVs all brand new purchased 2016 Jan-Feb-Mar. Even NATO envies the size of our new fleet....and Indian navy cannot resist signing the long term joint maritime patrol operations with Nigerian navy, they cannot find any other navy like that in Africa. Please remind your SAN sailors not to overstay their one week visiting visa to India, tbey do not want you there more than those few days after which South African navy becomes useless to them. Don't follow Nigerian navy men around in India, we are staying long term, our level is higher than yours. . 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:51pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust: IPV to be a minimum length of 50m armed with 30mm cannon http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6141:navy-needs-survey-ship-pvs-by-2015-&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106 Towed sonar array tested for Biro as well as VTOL drone testing has been well documented in this thread and the other one. Why would we come to you to look at speed boats? 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:52pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust: Still cheaper than the private sector |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:53pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust: Egypt builds abrams tanks? 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:58pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust: 1. We are talking about ships not boats 2. Most of those do not exist 3. India did not sign any patrol treaty with you 4. We wont stay long in India, we are going on to China for more exercises And dont worry, India will be back in RSA next year for the next ISAMBAR exercise Its really pathetic how Nigerians are so desperate for glory that they make such huge mountains out of such tiny mole-hills 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:01pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Patchesagain: ...because you have none, or you have Shaldag interceptor class of boats? Your source says OPV and IPV, no MPV, means the 50m vessel is actually an MPV, almost a small corvette size, tbat's not an IPV by standard classification even NATO countries use 47m as MPV not IPV. VTOL craft? You never even got any OPV yet ! The drone will land on empty sea water? Towed array sonar, for what? There is NOTHING like that in the source you posted, SHOW US SOURCE for your never-to-arrive 23 years on paper OPV and IPV having anti-submarine towed array sonar, show us sources to prove that ! I am waiting for your towed array sonar evidence.....now !!!!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:02pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Yes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 10:07pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust: We have the T-craft which suits our needs. Shaldag type craft is useless in our need for long range patrols in rough seas. Well, our IPV is over 50m and has a 30mm gun... puts you to shame. Who said anything about ASW? I said towed sonar array, it does many things. Its testing and evaluation has been well documented on this thread and others. VTOL is being evaluated for use on the IPV's since they are too small for helicopters. South Africa is not like Nigeria - we do not buy threadbare, scaled down, entry level vessels. We go for quality, not quantity. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 10:07pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
agaugust: Citation please 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 1:21am On Feb 05, 2016 |
jln115: Patchesagain: Stop this trash. You have no strick craft. All your your strike craft have been stripped off that role and currently used for patrol. Warrior class vessels are your only OPVs currently and it's less than 60m. Frustrated glory Hunter. @patches, I laugh in Spanish. How will IPVs be 50-60m ship? are you that frustrated? Pls what is the average length of MPVs and OPVs? Even the length of your IPVs T-craft class is 22m compare that to shaldag - class which 25m. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 7:07am On Feb 05, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Patches, do you guys in South-Africa even know what an IPV is at all? This was what heitman was complaining about months back. Your Navy ends up buying boats which cannot go offshore to sea and simply cannot patrol inshore. More or less a waste and a Turkey. The average length of an IPV is 25m. Look at the shadlags, NNS Dorina, Andoni class, Burutu. Class, Ocea class. All designed to effectively carry out littoral warfare. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 7:11am On Feb 05, 2016 |
Patchesagain: It isn't a question of putting anyone to shame. Your military yet again goes to the market and procures the wrong type of equipment. A 50m vessel is completely useless as an IPV. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 7:34am On Feb 05, 2016 |
Henry240: More or less an MPV with IPV characteristics. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 7:39am On Feb 05, 2016 |
Henry240: Who says it is completely useless? The vessles also have to operate as minesweeps (hence the sonar array) and the River-class is 50m 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 7:44am On Feb 05, 2016 |
Patchesagain:50- 60m is a ship. According to your defence requirements it is a bad choice. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 7:47am On Feb 05, 2016 |
Henry240: According to the opinion of one man. The requirements were set by the Navy after exhaustive studies by CSIR and our Maritime Think Tank. Little speed boats like the Shaldag are useless in our vast and rough waters! 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 7:48am On Feb 05, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Your navy claims to be buying an IPV, what's the essence of buying an IPV which cannot fulfill it's role requirements. Goodluck with your bad purchase. Which actually doesn't exist. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 7:54am On Feb 05, 2016 |
Henry240: Who says it cannot fulfill its role requirements? One man when the whole navy and an independant think tank set the requirements! 2 Likes |
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