joseph1832:
No question from me.

OK sir...

Dygeasy:
Present my Oga!!! Let's get this thing cracking

Welcome sir..

Furthermore, I will want us to know that rehabilitation embraces a medical model. When people are physically ill, the causes of their illness are diagnosed and then treated. Each persons medical problems may be different and the treatment will differ accordingly, that is, the medical intervention is individualized. Rehabilitation shares the same logic, causes are to be uncovered and 'treatment are to be individualized."

This only shows and prove to us that rehabilitation is not really concern about the possibility of others to involve in crime, their focus is more on the individual [potential offender] and as such cannot in anyway deter crime. Since, their main focus is improving individual criminal, they have neglect the fact that there are other people who may likely commit such crimes since there is no punishment whatsoever.

@aysuccess99, ever heard of the word 'jailbirds'?

If at all we are going to accept that rehabilitation deters crime, which I will not accept anyway, what about its cost efficiency and some other factors that are likely to hamper its effectiveness to deter crime.

It is important to know that in determining whether a rehabilitation treatment will be effective, the therapeutic integrity of the program must be considered. It is quite unfortunate that most rehabilitation programs are poorly implemented, delivered by untrained personnel and also the offenders spend only a minimal amount of time in the program and this can hardly be expected to successfully reduce recidivism.

Let's concentrate a bit on the professionalization of rehabilitation programs. Professionals that can help rehabilitate criminals are little or absent.
Let's take Nigeria for instance, how many social psychologists, criminologists, clinical psychologists, behavioural psychologists do we have?


When there are not enough hands and professionals to rehabilitate, how then can say that such rehabilitation programs will help deter crime, when its effectiveness is being questioned.

Hidentity:
@aysuccess99, ever heard of the word 'jailbirds'?

Yes. A jailbird is someone who had been sent to jail repeatedly.

Hidentity:
@aysuccess99, ever heard of the word 'jailbirds'?

On the issue of jailbirds[a person who is convicted repeatedly]…I will say that such an individual deserves to be sentenced to longer jail terms so as to make him incapacitated to commit crimes. If such individual is behind bars for a long period of time and possibly severely punished for his crime, I doubt if it will be possible for such offender to commit crime.

If jail terms can really deter such individual, I doubt if rehabilitation is going to either. We must know that past behavior is the best predictor of future behaviour. From this perspective, it is reasonable to attempt to prevent crime by preventing such individual [jailbird] through long jail terms from continuing their criminal behaviour.

aysuccess99:


Yes. A jailbird is someone who had been sent to jail repeatedly.

jailbirds are mainly criminals that are rehabilitated when in prisons,

Name: Shodipe Opeyemi Michael
School: THE FEDERAL UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY, AKURE
DEBATE TOPIC: THE JUDICIARY AND CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS AND JUDGEMENT, DO JAIL TERMS ACTUALLY SERVE AS A DETERRENT OR IS REHABILITATION A BETTER OPTION?
STANCE: OPPOSING
Prior to this debate,I wondered if my idea – that prisoner rehabilitation should be
a primary concern of any advanced society’s prison
system – could really be thought of as dangerous at all.
A much more fearful notion to my mind is the
alternative: locking people up and doing relatively
little to enable them to address the failings that led
them through the prison gates in the first place,That way people get out of jail after serving their time and almost inevitably commit further crimes, create more
victims and cost the state and society obscene amounts
of public money.
Before I proceed any further, I would like introduce myself formally as Shodipe Opeyemi Michael and reiterate formal greetings,
Good day judges, moderators, my competitors from the great citadel of learning, the University of Ibadan,and every nairalander duly following this debate.
I would detaily define the key terms attached to this debate to aid easy understanding,
According to dictionary.com,
Rehabilitation-To restore good health and useful life to a thing through education and therapy, with the aim of restoring esteem.
Deterrent-something that prevents or aim to prevent someone from doing a thing.
Jail- A place for the confinement of people accused or convicted of a crime.
Judicial- Relating to the administration of justice; of or appropraite to a law court.
That being said, I would bullet my points with detailed explanation opposing the motion above.
1. Have you ever sat to reflect that today's convicted prisoner are our future neighbour? We often forget that most jail term comes with a duration, ranging from months to years or sometimes a lifetime, but for most convicted victims, their terms are closer than we always envisage, consider a man convicted of rape and jailed for 15years, to the present young ladies he is no longer a threat but what about your 3years old daughter, by the time the convicted would have duly serve his terms, she would be a beautiful, young and agile 18 years old lady, what the happens next? Can you fully guarantee she wouldn't fall a victim to your ex-convicted rapist who now lives next door? What about if the man had gone into rehabilitation and his psychology tuned rightl 15years ago, wouldn't you have felt better and more secured now? I guess the really dangerous element to my rehabilitation is that for positive changes to happen in prison and beyond, attitudes towards prisoners need to change. For victims of crime, especially of the most serious crimes – crimes that have devastated families and caused immeasurable pain and grief – this is not going to be easy or maybe even possible. But however unpalatable it may be to some, the fact is prisoners are still people, and if we want them to have any respect for society when they get out we need to be mindful of their dignity as fellow human beings.just locking the up for some fraction of their life wouldn't correct their wrong neither is it proved that would change them ourightly, this can only be done in a rehabilitation centre, I guess you agree with me.

2. Prison deters every possible future hope- Hope, we can all agree is motivation. It gives us strive to move forward and succeed, to reach for our dreams and aspirations. When an individual goes to jail for the first time, largely they lose a great deal of this valuable commodity(hope). Take this case as an example, imagine an 18 or 19 year old kid, smart, a life full of opportunity, in his freshman year of an elite college, running a full scholarship, avidly volunteering 20 hours a week a clinic and food bank for the impovershed. But, he has been caught up in the wrong side of the law; he smokes marijuana,After an exam at around 10 pm, this kid comes home to cops searching his dorm drawers and clothes strewn about, immediately put under arrest. They have found a pill of adderal and some paraphanelia along with marijuana. Now he goes to jail, never been in trouble his whole life. What happens now? He goes to jail. As he takes his mugshots, the consequences hit him. He is confused, dazed; this is going to be on his record. He will lose his scholarship. There may be academic probation. He loses the motivation he had pushing him to work as hard as he has. When he comes out in the morning, having slept on cold tiles surrounded by an unfamiliar and terrifying environment, he does not care for anything anymore. How can I be a doctor, how can i hope to pursue my dreams? Wh
would hire me? I dont have a scholarship, even a part time job will be hard to find to pay my tuition. No longer caring, he considers dropping out. He decided there's no reason to stop smoking, he has no deterrent, it's already on his record so it doesn't matter. He can't even continue the volunteering he loves at the hospital, they release
him. What has the system done to this boy, is there even a point in holding his dreams anymore? He hasn't learned a lesson, a lesson would be pointless. The retribution has convinced him of that. Maybe if the system was more rehabilitative, it could have helped him. Now come to think of it, is this the best retribution for this kid? We keep making this mistake on daily basis, take a stroll to any court of law and see how often people are sentenced to jail on cases that could be treated in any rehabilitation home, you will but agree with me that we are yet to get our justice right.

3.Rehabilitation Is Motivation,I believe that rehabilitation should be offered and depend on the severity of the crime committed. Many individuals who are in prison for many years do not want to be there anymore and programs to help them succeed as a fellow citizen out in the public will and have motivated inmates to not want to re-offend. Being in prison a long time can have an affect on an individual, whether positive or negative, but from personal experience of a family member being incarcerated for 10-15 years and seeing them regain strength in society opened my eyes that not everyone who has committed a violent crime should be put to death or serve unusually long sentences like life in prison. I'm not saying that rehabilitation works for everyone, but it is in my eyes definitely more humane, then just letting someone rot in prison, especially for a petty crime. Rehabilitation programs offer the guidance and a responsibility to themselves that individual may not of been able to learn from anywhere else and it just
might be what that person needed to jump start their lives. I've seen many people who had a prison life at one time who are successful individuals today, and with experiences like they've had, it gives them more of a positive influence if they choose to work with troubled individuals themselves because they've been there.
People like that are the best example that it is indeed
possible to turn your life around for the positive, some
just need that extra push.
I hope these are enough to tune your great minds to the great merirts of rehabilitation over jail and you would agree with me that over a judiciary crime depending on the graveness, rehabilitation would serve not only as a better but as a life changing deterrent when weighed against jail term.
Thanks

REFERENCES
-Concise oxford English Dictionary(11th Edition)
-www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10514678/The-old-debate-punish-prisoners-or-rehabilitate-them.html

aysuccess99:


On the issue of jailbirds[a person who is convicted repeatedly]…I will say that such an individual deserves to be sentenced to longer jail terms so as to make him incapacitated to commit crimes. If such individual is behind bars for a long period of time and possibly severely punished for his crime, I doubt if it will be possible for such offender to commit crime.

If jail terms can really deter such individual, I doubt if rehabilitation is going to either. We must know that past behavior is the best predictor of future behaviour. From this perspective, it is reasonable to attempt to prevent crime by preventing such individual [jailbird] through long jail terms from continuing their criminal behaviour.

Oh. Jailbirds to be sentenced to prison terms over and over again?

The beauty in debate is in your ability to appreciate the strength in other people's dissent. Just that you're against rehabilitation doesn't mean that you should rule out its relevance even where it is clearly an option. It is bad practice for a debater to approach that issue this way. It can present you as a one-sided intellectual.

Present...sorry for being late.

@ fynestboi, Binary's entry has been removed? I read it a couple of minutes back.

Hidentity:
@ fynestboi, Binary's entry has been removed? I read it a couple of minutes back.

It was hidden but I have unveil it..

Hidentity:


Oh. Jailbirds to be sentenced to prison terms over and over again?

The beauty in debate is in your ability to appreciate the strength in other people's dissent. Just that you're against rehabilitation doesn't equate mean you should out rule its relevance even where it is clearly an option. It is bad practice for a debater to approach that issue this way. It can present you as a one-sided intellectual.

I really get your point sir. But how are we sure that such an individual will change if s/he undergoes rehabilitation? We are not sure if such individual has psychological problem or is doing out of free will and rational choice. But if we are to take the former, rehabilitation may be considered. But how sure are we that the rehabilitation will surely change such individual. The important issue here is not whether rehabilitation works, but what will work best for such individual.
If at all he is going to go through rehabilitation, it is quite unfortunate that this program lacks professionalization[ because it is more about treatment] and as such can have little or possibly no effect on such individual. Thank you.

CrazyMan:
Present...sorry for being late.

Welcome sir...

Judges you can send in your score after grading..



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binary007:
Name: Shodipe Opeyemi Michael
School: THE FEDERAL UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY, AKURE
DEBATE TOPIC: THE JUDICIARY AND CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS AND JUDGEMENT, DO JAIL TERMS ACTUALLY SERVE AS A DETERRENT OR IS REHABILITATION A BETTER OPTION?
STANCE: OPPOSING
Prior to this debate,I wondered if my idea – that prisoner rehabilitation should be
a primary concern of any advanced society’s prison
system – could really be thought of as dangerous at all.
A much more fearful notion to my mind is the
alternative: locking people up and doing relatively
little to enable them to address the failings that led
them through the prison gates in the first place,That way people get out of jail after serving their time and almost inevitably commit further crimes, create more
victims and cost the state and society obscene amounts
of public money.

Hmm. You mean cost the state and society obscene amounts? Do you know that rehabilitation programs cost much money?
Rehabilitation is pragmatic in theory, it is not financially feasible. It comes with a high cost and requires great deal of money. US is already facing unrelenting budget quandaries in the area of rehabilitation and therefore has little funds remaining to invest in exorbitant rehabilitation programs.


So can you please explain to me how jail terms cost the states and society obscene amounts?

Fynestboi:



It was hidden but I have unveil it..

That is so blunt a lie, why would I remove a work I spent hours compiling, Mr. Fynestboi here deleted my post and barred me from making any other post/comment, I could only wonder why he did so, thanks for the transparency @Hidentity...

binary007:


That is so blunt a lie, why would I remove a work I spent hours compiling, Mr. Fynestboi here deleted my post and barred me from making any other post/comment, I could only wonder why he did so, thanks for the transparency @Hidentity...

It is okay. He admitted hiding it. It has been unveiled and we will score it without any iota of bias.

Thanks

@binary007. I really loved the way you appeal to our sense of emotion. I will like to point out that rehabilitation is more specific on individuals most especially individual criminals. How do you think rehabilitation can help deter other potential offenders [or people who are likely to involve themselves in criminal activities] from crime?

aysuccess99:

Hmm. You mean cost the state and society obscene amounts? Do you know that rehabilitation programs cost much money?
Rehabilitation is pragmatic in theory, it is not financially feasible. It comes with a high cost and requires great deal of money. US is already facing unrelenting budget quandaries in the area of rehabilitation and therefore has little funds remaining to invest in exorbitant rehabilitation programs.


So can you please explain to me how jail terms cost the states and society obscene amounts?

Thanks a lot for your question, Cost of a good is measure relative to the value and worth of such good, would you agree with me? The govenment is obligated to 3 squared meal daily to inmates in prison, a semi-condusive platform for sleeping for as long as a prison runs with absolutely no value in return, prisoner comes in and goes out after years only to return back into the prison after another crime, Rehabilitation has been proven to work regardless of the cost, you can guarantee a positive turnout, how then can you argue that rehabilitation is costlier, and you said something about united states being in debt, kindly reference your source.

binary007:


Thanks a lot for your question, Cost of a good is measure relative to the value and worth of such good, would you agree with me? The govenment is obligated to 3 squared meal daily to inmates in prison, a semi-condusive platform for sleeping for as long as a prison runs with absolutely no value in return, prisoner comes in and goes out after years only to return back into the prison after another crime, Rehabilitation has been proven to work regardless of the cost, you can guarantee a positive turnout, how then can you argue that rehabilitation is costlier, and you said something about united states being in debt, kindly reference your source.

Hmm. For the source, this is it

www.is.wayne.edu/StuartHenry/Effectiveness_of_Punishment.htm


You can go through the content to get what I meant.


You said rehabilitation has worked regardless of its cost. Taking our dear country for an instance, do you think rehabilitation program is effective? and why do you think it is not effective, if your answer is No to my first question?

What statistics can you give me to point out that rehabilitation had reduced recidivism?


Hmm. Ad you've said earlier that prison inmates are required to be provided with adequate feeding and other basic amenities.

It will be expedient to point out to you that most people kept in prisons are those who are awaiting trial and as such due to our sub-standard criminal justice system, the government is just probably wasting funds on such individuals.
http://dailypost.ng/2014/10/27/lagos-official-laments-inmates-population-nigerian-prisons-advocates-community-service/

Thollulope:
Good day moderator
panel of judges
adjudicators
fellow contestants
and to the viewers
Am thollulope representing the university of Ibadan . I speak for the notion "The judiciary ,criminal proceedings and judgement. Do jail terms
usually serve as a deterrent or is absolute rehabilitation a better option?
First and foremost, according to vocabulary.com,deterrent is a means of preventing one from doing something , on the other hand rehabilitation means the act of restoring something to its normal state.
The concept of jail terms signals clearly that certain conducts are wrong.
This shows an offender wrong doing and prevents him from repeating such actions .the concept of jail terms brings punishment and absolute solution to criminal.the concept of rehabilitation resets on the assumption that criminal acts is caused by certain factors . come to think of it, how will rape, corruption and terrorism be by certain factor ,rehabilitationdoes not serve as the best for offenders. If crime were a matter of free choices ,then there would be nothing within particular individuals to be fixed.
In developed countries , corruption is a grave offense and these jail terms has immensely reduced the rate of such because it serves as a lesson for others. can rehabilitation do such ? it will only breed more criminals.
For victims and citizens , jail terms shows that there is justice. how will one be rehabilitated for killing my brother because he has excuses. crimes isn't pathology and coincidental. it shows that no matter the class , position and wealth ,nobody is above the law.
Jail terms shows equality and capability of the judicial .
In conclusion, will my opponent feel of rehabilitating a criminal and knowing human decisions arent factorised
Thanks
Reference:
1.http://www.vocabulary.com/../deterrent

2.http://en.wikipedia.org/../Deterrence_

3.http://www.education.gov.ng/fsb/bea/

4.debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.ph...

Great debate bro, but I question the logicality of your points, are you saying the chibok girls who were abducted in nigeria and stampede to detonate explosives should be sent to jail when caught? Pls. Bullet out just 2 points from your writeup.

@Binary007, in as much as I really agree with some of what you posted, that human beings should be treated as humans and their dignity should be respected.


Are you concluding or affirming the fact that every convicted criminal or offender if regardless of their offence, be transferred to rehabilitation centres?

aysuccess99:


Hmm. For the source, this is it

www.is.wayne.edu/StuartHenry/Effectiveness_of_Punishment.htm


You can go through the content to get what I meant.


You said rehabilitation has worked regardless of its cost. Taking our dear country for an instance, do you think rehabilitation program is effective? and why do you think it is not effective, if your answer is No to my first question?

What statistics can you give me to point out that rehabilitation had reduced recidivism?


Hmm. Ad you've said earlier that prison inmates are required to be provided with adequate feeding and other basic amenities.

It will be expedient to point out to you that most people kept in prisons are those who are awaiting trial and as such due to our sub-standard criminal justice system, the government is just probably wasting funds on such individuals.
http://dailypost.ng/2014/10/27/lagos-official-laments-inmates-population-nigerian-prisons-advocates-community-service/

As regards you last citation, I would recommend you re-read it and absorb the context, the write up spoke about lagos advocating community service(which is a form of rehabilitation) over jail because of population explosion in prison, I think that post supports my cause better than yours, thanks anyways

binary007:


Great debate bro, but I question the logicality of your points, are you saying the chibok girls who were abducted in nigeria and stampede to detonate explosives should be sent to jail when caught? Pls. Bullet out just 2 points from your writeup.

In as much as I feel for human and believe in the notion that we should temper justice with mercy.
I'll like to point out that those responsible for the abduction of Chibok girls and detonation of bombs be sent to jail when caught.
Have you ever sat down to reflect what damage they had caused to the family of the girls?
Have you ever sat down to reflect on the fact that they have jeopardized those students future?
Have you ever sat down to reflect on the fact that they may have possibly killed an icon that will make Nigeria and even Africa proud?

What we want is justice for the children. Do you think rehabilitation will change all what I've told you to reflect on? It will not. Let's put ourselves in the shoes of their parents, if your sister were among the abducted Chibok girls, will you argue that those responsible should be rehabilitated and as such not fave punishment for their crime?

aysuccess99:
@Binary007, in as much as I really agree with some of what you posted, that human beings should be treated as humans and their dignity should be respected.


Are you concluding or affirming the fact that every convicted criminal or offender if regardless of their offence, be transferred to rehabilitation centres?

Kindly re-read my conclusion, I said rehabilitation should be encouraged most, depending on the graveness of the offense commited, prison should only be a resort, possibly after failed rehabilitation.

Not fair
.. We don't have law in futa

binary007:


As regards you last citation, I would recommend you re-read it and absorb the context, the write up spoke about lagos advocating community service(which is a form of rehabilitation) over jail because of population explosion in prison, I think that post supports my cause better than yours, thanks anyways

Hmm. In as much as I won't like to point this out. I doubt if you read the article.

“As at July, 2014, there were 1,914 inmates
and offenders on remand in the 800-inmate-
capacity prison in Ikoyi and more than 70 per
cent of them were awaiting trial."

I am not advocating that rehabilitation programs for criminals is not good but I am of the opinion that such rehabilitation programs only concentrate on the individual criminals and thus, does not deter crime to a large extent. We cannot just inject huge amount of money into rehabilitation for individual offenders and yet still achieve minimal result in the decrease in crime rates. No matter how promising rehabilitation may seem to be, we must all know that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior and from this perspective, it is reasonable to attempt to prevent crime by preventing known offenders from continuing their criminal behaviors by being sentenced to jail and as such serve as deterrence to future or potential offenders. We should all know and be convinced that rehabilitation is effective in reducing the criminal behavior of at least some offenders and not all offenders, not to talk of deterring a large number of people from criminal activities.

aysuccess99:


In as much as I feel for human and believe in the notion that we should temper justice with mercy.
I'll like to point out that those responsible for the abduction of Chibok girls and detonation of bombs be sent to jail when caught.
Have you ever sat down to reflect what damage they had caused to the family of the girls?
Have you ever sat down to reflect on the fact that they have jeopardized those students future?
Have you ever sat down to reflect on the fact that they may have possibly killed an icon that will make Nigeria and even Africa proud?

What we want is justice for the children. Do you think rehabilitation will change all what I've told you to reflect on? It will not. Let's put ourselves in the shoes of their parents, if your sister were among the abducted Chibok girls, will you argue that those responsible should be rehabilitated and as such not fave punishment for their crime?

My question is should any "chibok girl" if caught be jailed or rehabilitated?