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Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Nobody: 10:49pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
micodon:Hello micodon, I don't like to argue for argument's sake. You are free to believe whatever you want or call all sort of names. I repeat simple things one last time: 1- Matter is not mass. Mass is a property of Matter. Just as my weight is not me, but a property/characteristics of who I am. 2- Proportional does not mean the same as, nor equal to. In a mathematical formula, the same as is equivalent to equals to. 3- You claimed in your post that Energy is the same as Matter. It is wrong. Energy is proportional to mass. Mass is not Matter. And even if Mass were Matter, Energy would still not be the same as Matter but proportional to it. Now, you are free to give me English class if you want. I am but a learner. I pointed out a mistake, simply so that you can correct it. I do not claim to know more than you do. And you are free to claim to know anything more than me. It is ok for me. Cheers. |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by micodon(m): 10:57pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
LoJ: I asked you a question you are yet to answer. Newton said F = GM1M2/r2....why did that equation hold true for a mass less particle. E=mc2 is basic physics. Mass is the energy matter possesses. Or matter is Energy Condensed.... Or matter can be Converted to energy... There's so many simple interpretations to that equations. Please read more about that formula. That's the sole formula upon which the atomic bombs were made. Bros, read more about Einstein's most famous equation E=mc2 |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by micodon(m): 10:59pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
micodon: What does F=GM1M2/r2 mean. Take not that G is a constant of proportionality |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Nobody: 11:04pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
micodon:Please micodon, You are deviating the simple issue of a simple mistake, to indulge into other issues which have nothing to do with the issue at hand. You may wish to do so, but I don't exchange to "win" at all cost. You are free to assert whatever you want. Good night to you sir. |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by micodon(m): 11:05pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
LoJ: Here's something you can read. http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/physics/energy/intro.html thank me later |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by micodon(m): 11:06pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
LoJ:I'm drawing parallel lines here. And I want you to see how wrong you are in saying that Energy is not matter |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Nobody: 11:15pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
micodon:Thank you |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Jaymaestro(m): 10:31pm On Feb 08, 2016 |
LoJ:` and liberating ourselves from all impurity and base instincts¬ Is the possible ? And also it will seem with all these you have written on the `how to even to the higher degrees ¬ some humans wont` be able to awaken it although , Thats just a fine idea of how science was to be without atheists injecting their very own ideas, but is science limited to universal physical laws only,considering there are those who practice arcane science? this antennae as; intuition .. are there other antennas apart from the intuition ? are you saying even those that have spiritual training as part of their culture unnatural? You may also develop spiritually, and still face hazardous conditions on such planes. Yes, naturally protected , but as humans we are bound to even stray off these planes , probably curiosity . throughout life on earth ... could the body be just as important as the spirit ? would it not be better to spiritual develop and hone it by training ? |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Nobody: 11:01pm On Feb 08, 2016 |
Hello Jaymaestro. Thank you for your questions. I attempt to answer them below. Jaymaestro:It is very possible. Every human has the potential to ascent. It is now up to us, to exercise our free will to do so. I admit most don't choose to, and many do so after many incarnations/lives. Jaymaestro:I'm not sure mystical knowlege or initiative/transmitted knowledge can be objectively viewed as Science. Part of the reason I don't view it as science, is that Science must be open and free to criticism. That's how science works. Mystical knowledge is not open for all to see and criticize. What you said about atheism is derogatory and untrue. Atheism has nothing to do with science. Science has nothing to do with the existence of God. God is not an object of study in science. Science deals with the physical gross matter, not the spiritual. So Belief or disbelief in God has no relevance in Science. They are good scientists among religious people and non religious alike. The opposite is also true. Jaymaestro:There are other spiritual faculties. Jaymaestro:Culture is irrelevant as far as the laws of God are concerned. If you deviate from the law, you'll reap the fruits. Does falling from the 7th storey of a Building has different consequences depending on whether you are from one culture or another? The same law of gravity applies to all. So each one must endeavor to discover the laws of God written in the universe, and conform to them. When an aspect of a culture is in accord with the law of God it can be maintained or strengthened. When opposite is the case, it should be discarded. Jaymaestro:When you are protected, you are protected. You may face challenges, but you shall be protected. No harm shall befall you, unless you choose it out of your free will. But when you are not protected, you can be harmed, even if you do not want. The full and normal development provides this protection. Curiosity can be ungodly. Especially mixed with impatience. it is better to develop spiritually patiently even for decades, than hurry to do a 3 months training to soul sight, just to be oppressed by an evil entity, and chain yourself for many centuries. As I always mention, you are not to believe whatever I say. This is my personal opinion and the product of my experiencing. Feel free to criticize and reject it if you want. Greetings to you. |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Jaymaestro(m): 8:53pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
LoJ: You do believe in reincarnation ? Some science inventions were seen as mystical and some started out being mystical ? are you saying the conflict between creationist and evolutionist has nothing to do with God ? Don't the Israelis observing some of these laws take em as part of the way they live ? and are you breaking laws by observing and practicing spirituality? what other universal laws of God are written ? Like I said ` would it not be better to be spiritually developed and hone it by training , cause even after decades we still have unknowns in our fleshly world , not to mention an immaterial one ? |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by fayahsoul: 3:20pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
LoJ:You got these believes from the grail message so they are neither your "personal opinion nor the product of your experiencing." |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Nobody: 3:52pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
fayahsoul:Hello Fayahsoul, I am not sure about the meaning of your sentence. Yes I have read the book form of the Grail message, and experienced the living form of the Grail message. It is a fact I have already stated in this forum many times. I however do not claim to be a "grail messenger" as I am member of no religious/spiritual body. However, What I state, are my opinions and on the basis of my personal experiencing. The fact that something is written in one book or the other (whether Bible, Koran, or the Book form of the Grail message) does not prove the validity or otherwise of it. And Indeed, it is a mistake to stop at the letters of any book, including the one of Abdrushin. I was led to Grail message via a spiritual experience. And A lot of people have experienced the Truth without ever reading any book, including the book form of the Grail message. To sum up, I speak about things I have experienced. And Whatever I say, is my opinion and my experience. People should open their heart, use their intuition to seek the Truth and experience it also. If on the other hand, your words were meant to be derogatory and pejorative, then I wish you strength and blessings. Greetings. |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by fayahsoul: 9:43pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
LoJ:I didnt mean to offend you. I just noticed the extreme similarities between your philosophy and the grail message. And yes you are right to say that all one needs to attain enlightenment is sound reasoning and intuition. In fact i identify with much of your teachings just as i do with the grail message(not a member though) and i must say you do sound enlightened. All the best. 1 Like |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by palsenator(m): 6:25pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
taurus25:Thats your assumption bro. Why did you say it should be obvious? Everything suggests that if there is life or extra being out there, they would ordinarily be superior to us technologically. If UFO visit is made open, then there should be obvious interaction among us and them. |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 12:46am On Apr 12, 2016 |
mayskit4luv:the thing is, equilibrium is always, always I repeat, established. 1 Like |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 1:36am On Apr 12, 2016 |
Dollyak:about travelling back in time, I don't know if this issue has been addressed in other posts or threads, if not, then this, I recently read about the hypothesis of the parallel universe where every possible scenario occurs on different planes at the same time, so if this is true, then if you're travelling back in time what scenario type earth, would you have travelled to? Can you risk it? |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Charlesdock(m): 9:55am On Apr 12, 2016 |
It's so farfetched to think we're alone in this Universe. Even there might extraterrestial beings in the milky way. It not compulsory that Oxygen would be the life force of other beings. |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 10:05am On Apr 12, 2016 |
vivaciousvivi:I think it is too late/too early to consider time an abstract idea, how do you define time? According to Einstein we are yet unable to satisfactorily define time, why? Most probably because we don't exist in it's dimension, Besides, time has already been encrypted into the basic of physics, most properties are defined by characteristics which varies with time. |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 10:25pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
micodon:you mean they're not literal days? It means you skipped the part that said, then night came and mornng came and it was the third day or something like that... But then on the same logic that these aren't literal days, can you say most of what was mentioned in the bible are parables? And to the scientists, johndon especially, the idea of God(s) is an hypothesis, the bible has so man flaws, that's very obvious!, but you can't possibly dispose the hypothesis of God's existence following the same logic of scientific studies... Have you tried analysing the complex molecules that makes of enzymes and proteins, does it sound plausible that it just appeared? And reproduction too, did the first organism just got the idea and process to replicate? I know what your answer might be... "We don't know yet, we will in the future" how long do you think the human race will exist? Two million years? Two hundred million? All this , the space the earth occupy, the solar system, the time... If referred to a mathematical logic and compared to the time that has passed in the universe or the space it occupies, is it not too insignificant to be considered? My point it is too early to dismiss the hypothesis of God, defined as the creator(not necessarily man like) |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by taurus25(m): 11:34pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
^^of course the idea of god is a hypothesis that necessary doesnt need to be dismissed immediately.....but a reason why an intelligent designer is gradually been overlooked in science is...for one, some things which we humans believe must have been designed by a supreme have been observed to occur naturally, take for example observation of birth of stars. birth of planets...this things have been seen to just come into existence without any sign of a creator..............Also there is no concrete evidence for a creator.....complexity of the universe doesnt necessary mean the universe was intelligently designed...now assuming we live in a multiverse with each having different constants and the one we live in happens to have what is necessary for stars planets etc to form. Can we fully assert our existence to be as a result of a multiverse knowing it has not been a fully proven fact? ..no?......if no then maybe we should live god aside for now. one thing u should know is that god/s has just been an assumption...if were to base science on god/s...do you not think the scientific process would be affected? |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 2:06am On Apr 19, 2016 |
LoJ:Dear LoJ, I am quite interested in your explanations, and/or ideas, since religions can't be questioned and their holy books have many flaws which contradicts their own description of God, I've resigned from them a while ago, but certain phenomenon, and some experiences have made me understand there are indeed other planes, I believe in God, but religions can't answer my questions, science purposely deflects anything pertaining to God, besides, science itself still has myriads of questions and problems to solve, if it is possible for me to visit and/or be involved in this other planes you have described, I would like to know how, it seems promising to answer my questions, please, how can I contact you, may I have your number or can you contact mine (08149630160) ,emails:the6ixth@yahoo.com; khatchy24@gmail.com bb pin:2BA5338F, you mentioned about God laws. What are they? I can't dare and try to read he holy grail message because the very name seem to tell me I'll be misled into an irredeemable path. For now, I'm living my life trying to help as much people as I can, learn as much as I can albeit on the earthly plain, I'm a little selfish and do not pay much attention to the need of others, but do my best not to hurt or derail them from their way of life or belief, I respect and acknowledge God's existence, and hope to visit other planes too. Thank you. |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 2:10am On Apr 19, 2016 |
LoJ: |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 2:14am On Apr 19, 2016 |
LoJ:Dear LoJ I am quite interested in your opinion/experience/ideas... I believe in God and have many questions unanswered by religions, so I have long resigned from them. Please how can I contact you? May I have your number? |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Nobody: 5:38am On Apr 19, 2016 |
rhizoidz:Hello Rhizoidz. Thank you for your solicitations. I just wrote an email to you. |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by profftrojahn: 8:11pm On Jun 02, 2016 |
HapyOne:maybe if we are able to get to other solar systems in the universe |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by davien(m): 7:39pm On Jun 04, 2016 |
One word I can give to the universe is, endless . Nothing is ever one type or special in the universe, so why should we be? |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by RedHand: 3:23pm On Jun 15, 2016 |
krattoss:Non Existent |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by RedHand: 3:26pm On Jun 15, 2016 |
krattoss:Non Existent |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by RedHand: 3:33pm On Jun 15, 2016 |
micodon:Thanks for the link |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Nobody: 1:21pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
That's a profound question! You see if we're to consider the vastness of the universe, containing in all probabiity many millions of planets, it is pretty difficult to imagine that our planet id the only one that harbours life.... There simply HAS to be other life in the universe. It happened here, so it must have happened elsewhere. However, if that astronomically UNLIKELY possibility turns out to be the case, then we'll have to assume that it must be impossible for life to form by the process of natural development, but rather that it must have been created on this particular planet to make it unique. We will be pushing the laws of probability to nay unlimited bounds if we're to take the view that life formed spontaneously on only one planet in the entire universe.... So, the only two scenarios that I agree to be possible is 1) either life was created exclusively on this planet by God, 2) or life has formed on many planets spontaneously..... The first option has a great deal of problem with it and as such cannot be taken into consideration, and we all know why..... So, with the idea of God discarded, we're left with the second option that life formed here spontaneously, and must have formed elsewhere...... Consider the number of galaxies out there, billions of them, with sextillions of stars, many having planets orbiting them, since cosmologists agree that planatery formation around a star is quite common place, and then consider the fact that following the Big Bang, the most abundant materials in the universe were hydrogen and helium, being the simplest atoms, and they form the bulk of the raw ingredients for star formation...... All stars begin life in the same manner, by the gravitational drawing together of these basic elements that then gravitationally collapse to form a star. All stars begin pretty much the same with the remnants of hydrogen and helium clouds that are absorbed into the stars forming an orbiting disc that goes on to form the protoplanets |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by Nobody: 1:47pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
With the above process repeated many billions of times it would be only statistically reasonable to expect that many planets would have similar characteristics, and would be capable of supporting life of one form or another, just as our planet does... 1 Like |
Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by micodon(m): 1:23am On Jun 19, 2016 |
KingEtienneSky: Evidence of Faith in science... Good |
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