PrinzeTokz:
Why are these Ooni Kaakaki blowing entourage in Hausa attire as if they are escorting Emir of Ilorin or Kano...
I wish I see them in Shapara or Danshiki tiwantiwa..

The whole kaakaki trumpet is Hausa culture. So you better advise them to get their own way of doing it completely not only the mode of dressing.

shogz89:
. Una see hierarchy for Yoruba obas, una see oba of benin we are all yorubas

Make him come Oba of Benin palace com talk am na.. e easy to sidon for ogun state dey misyarn. Benin's history totally disagrees with his assertion.

aribisala0:
Why do people like to create unnecessary controversy.

There is no such thing as Hierarchy of Kings in Yorubaland.

The Yoruba mythology about Ife is NOT that Yorubas originated from Ife but MANKIND did , In short Ife is the Yoruba version of "Garden of Eden" It is important to pause and digest this for while.

There never was such a thing as a "Yoruba" Nation as we know it today until around the time of colonialism. Basically you had different nations Ijebu ,Egba Sabe ,Oyo,Ekiti, etc who saw themselves as DIFFERENT and INDEPENDENT nations with similarities in language and custom but no aspiration to one nation. The closest there has been to a hierarchy was under the Oyo Empire. It is important to pay attention to that word EMPIRE . It reflects the relationship between Oyo and its vassals who were forever trying to rid themselves of the yoke. They were DIFFERENT NATIONS. One does not use the word empire for a single people. Now we are in Nigeria and it is convenient to unify bu thee is nothing like king of kings. Empires came and went throughout history and today the main empire is the USA . Queen Elizabeth cannot claim to be Queen of queens
To then say on the basis of a now defunct empire that Oyo has any divine supremacy is like saying once upon a time there was a Roman or a Greek or an Ottoman Empire who has supremacy over others,clearly a ridiculous proposition. Oyo at one time was a dominant military force but by the time the British came Ibadan was the CURRENT champion and Oyo was derelict. Empires owe their supremacy to force but cannot live on past glory.
There never was a Yoruba nation or even an aspiration for such.
Ooni of Ife was a largely irrelevant king for much of "Yoruba" history and in practical terms UNDER Oyo as long as the empire lasted Ooni was never an Alase in Yorubaland as far as any other Oba was concerned

you are a product of history. Kudos

4xit:
So the Alake of Egba land rank himself ahead the Awujale of Ijebu land. That is indeed a great fallacy. The Ooni knows the rank and importance of all d Obas of yoruba land without any need of a tutorial or lecture by the Alake.

no mind d useless egbas king. He is not even egbas king but ake king. Egbas have four provinces abi na domains. Ake, igbeyin, owu and I can't remember. Egbas was founded in 18century.how come he rates himself above the great ijebus whose action shaped Yoruba land. And before the slaveraiders white bastard came to our land, Yoruba land as we know it today was not a nation but kingdoms with their kings, who be the ifes, the people ijebus fought for when the modakekes wanted to finished them off. Abi na wen the owus wanted to annihilate them ni. Someone should make these egba king learn history oh. Their was nothing like Yoruba, it was the hausas that used that name as a collective name for all the tribes in southwest then. The okuns of kogi , ekiti of ekiti, the ondos , the ileshas don't recognize or call themselves Yoruba. Even, we ijebus are never Yoruba. Lailai. Make these people go learn history abeg. Even lagos state is not originally a Yoruba land. We entered the area in the 17century.the area was scarcely occupied by awori people and few Benin element. The truth is nobody owns any land. Awa eyan nwa anlo ni. We come we go ni. The whole of North Africa was under the Romans and Greeks before Islamic Arabs took the land to this day. Spain itself gan was once under the Arabs and they almost took over France before they were crushed by chalmagne.

God bless Ooni. God bless Alake. God bless yoruba land.
Ooduduwa agbe wa o o o............Ase

I too

Gracito:
lol I don't understand

Isn't that ur picture?

aribisala0:
Why do people like to create unnecessary controversy.

There is no such thing as Hierarchy of Kings in Yorubaland.

The Yoruba mythology about Ife is NOT that Yorubas originated from Ife but MANKIND did , In short Ife is the Yoruba version of "Garden of Eden" It is important to pause and digest this for while.

There never was such a thing as a "Yoruba" Nation as we know it today until around the time of colonialism. Basically you had different nations Ijebu ,Egba Sabe ,Oyo,Ekiti, etc who saw themselves as DIFFERENT and INDEPENDENT nations with similarities in language and custom but no aspiration to one nation. The closest there has been to a hierarchy was under the Oyo Empire. It is important to pay attention to that word EMPIRE . It reflects the relationship between Oyo and its vassals who were forever trying to rid themselves of the yoke. They were DIFFERENT NATIONS. One does not use the word empire for a single people. Now we are in Nigeria and it is convenient to unify bu thee is nothing like king of kings. Empires came and went throughout history and today the main empire is the USA . Queen Elizabeth cannot claim to be Queen of queens
To then say on the basis of a now defunct empire that Oyo has any divine supremacy is like saying once upon a time there was a Roman or a Greek or an Ottoman Empire who has supremacy over others,clearly a ridiculous proposition. Oyo at one time was a dominant military force but by the time the British came Ibadan was the CURRENT champion and Oyo was derelict. Empires owe their supremacy to force but cannot live on past glory.
There never was a Yoruba nation or even an aspiration for such.
Ooni of Ife was a largely irrelevant king for much of "Yoruba" history and in practical terms UNDER Oyo as long as the empire lasted Ooni was never an Alase in Yorubaland as far as any other Oba was concerned

The home of the Yoruba' s worldwide is Ile-Ife and throne of Oduduwa is what the Ooni is occupying. All the other children have gone out of Ife to resettle and the Aalafin and Oyo empire was the hotbed of warfare and the political headquarters of Yoruba's but cannot take away the Aarole from the Ooni. It is like saying, since the Ibadan warriors succeeded in warfare when Oyo failed, then Ibadan is now the head of Yoruba's .

Historically, the was no contest because Oyo empire was respected but the headship was never conceeded as nobody is seriously challenging Ooni the beneficiary of Odua's throne and crown ( Aare). The Ooni still wear the Odua crown till tomorrow. There is no contest.

blazer234:

Isn't that ur picture?

yeah it is

vigasimple:


The home of the Yoruba' s worldwide is Ile-Ife and throne of Oduduwa is what the Ooni is occupying. All the other children have gone out of Ife to resettle and the Aalafin and Oyo empire was the hotbed of warfare and the political headquarters of Yoruba's but cannot take away the Aarole from the Ooni. It is like saying, since the Ibadan warriors succeeded in warfare when Oyo failed, then Ibadan is now the head of Yoruba's .

Historically, the was no contest because Oyo empire was respected but the headship was never conceeded as nobody is seriously challenging Ooni the beneficiary of Odua's throne and crown ( Aare). The Ooni still wear the Odua crown till tomorrow. There is no contest.

Whether Ooni is occupying Oduduwa's throne can be debated till eternity. Did Oduduwa ever rule Yorubaland? The answer is a big no
What I am saying is THERE IS NO HEAD OF YORUBAS . NEVER WAS and NEVER WILL BE.

In fact there was no such thing as YORUBAS as a people till the white man created it. Rather there was EkitiOyo Ijebu etc They were separate nations and the were NEVER subordinate to Ooni. There is no such thing that is fantasy
Britain is NOT the head of America

The issue is practical real politics and history. Was Ooni ever a suzerain over any other Yoruba territory?

afonomics:
The hierarchy of a thing by Alake can cause Gobe ooo...

It will cause no harm since its an Open Secret.

honifome:
Alaafin is superior to ooni in terms of hierachy. Whoever dispute this must be ignorant of history

And who is the Father of the first Alaafin?

PrinzeTokz:
Why are these Ooni Kaakaki blowing entourage in Hausa attire as if they are escorting Emir of Ilorin or Kano...
I wish I see them in Shapara or Danshiki tiwantiwa..

Ooni is from Arab ancenstry and the Yorubas still retain some of their cultures

Gracito:
yeah it is

Then ur prima facie, as earlier indicated, is laced with all the trappings of tumultuous Excruciation.... Hope my grammer impressed u, cos that's the idea

And you know what? A man wishes he could send you PM.

aribisala0:


Whether Ooni is occupying Oduduwa's throne can be debated till eternity. Did Oduduwa ever rule Yorubaland? The answer is a big no
What I am saying is THERE IS NO HEAD OF YORUBAS . NEVER WAS and NEVER WILL BE.

In fact there was no such thing as YORUBAS as a people till the white man created it. Rather there was EkitiOyo Ijebu etc They were separate nations and the were NEVER subordinate to Ooni. There is no such thing that is fantasy
Britain is NOT the head of America

The issue is practical real politics and history. Was Ooni ever a suzerain over any other Yoruba territory?

You are just trying to be clever by half.

Ooni was not suzerain over any territory, true, but there was a head of 'Yorubaland' during the time of the empires, and he goes by the title ALAAFIN OF OYO, He was the suzerain over the Oyo empire to which all other sub 'Yoruba' groups were subject.

Be clear on the Ooni and the Alaafin, please.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Palace protocol officers.
When they blow that horn and sound the gong it signals procession of visit or homage by a crown head.

Each Yoruba Oba is supposed to keep this crown tradition but modernity has taken it away.

When you see state secret service running alongside, infront and behind the President's car do you ever ask if they will run all the way back to Abuja?

Act like you got some wisdom.

your explanation really shows you're knowledgeable but your last sentence shows you're not matured and lack some basic ethical principles.

MrPresident1:


You are just trying to be clever by half.

Ooni was not suzerain over any territory, true, but there was a head of 'Yorubaland' during the time of the empires, and he goes by the title ALAAFIN OF OYO, He was the suzerain over the Oyo empire to which all other sub 'Yoruba' groups were subject.

Be clear on the Ooni and the Alaafin, please.

Not all Yoruba subgroups were subject. That is simply untrue please go and check your facts? Ijebu were Not neither was Eko and many others . In fact large parts of Eastern territory were under Benin control. More importantly they NEVER were called Yoruba before the white man came. Those referred to as Yoruba were Oyos . There was no such thing as Yorubaland.

Now let us assume that it was true that That Alaafin controlled ALL Yoruba land at some point . That is true for many other empires in history and when those empires come to an END then that is the END. Nigeria was once part of the British empire but in 1963 we became a republic and the queen ceased to be our head of state. The Pope once was a political leader in Europe and so on. You cannot claim that once upon a time the Oyo ruled anywhere under an empire that that is a relationship for eternity. By definition empires are sustained by FORCE and when that force evaporates so does the empire.

The question is what whould have happened if the British did not arrive? Oyo has no other authority over any Yoruba other than force and history tells us that empires came and went.

The Ooni may have some sentimental value for some but in history politically and militarily the Oonis were IRRELEVANT

aribisala0:
Not all Yoruba subgroups were subject. That is simply untrue please go and check your facts? Ijebu were Not neither was Eko and many others . In fact large parts of Eastern territory were under Benin control. More importantly they NEVER were called Yoruba before the white man came. Those referred to as Yoruba were Oyos . There was no such thing as Yorubaland.

Now let us assume that it was true that That Alaafin controlled ALL Yoruba land at some point . That is true for many other empires in history and when those empires come to an END then that is the END. Nigeria was once part of the British empire but in 1963 we became a republic and the queen ceased to be our head of state. The Pope once was a political leader in Europe and so on. You cannot claim that once upon a time the Oyo ruled anywhere under an empire that that is a relationship for eternity. By definition empires are sustained by FORCE and when that force evaporates so does the empire.

The question is what whould have happened if the British did not arrive? Oyo has no other authority over any Yoruba other than force and history tells us that empires came and went.

The Ooni may have some sentimental value for some but in history politically and militarily the Oonis were IRRELEVANT

Read the Bible stories of Jewish History. I cite them as a historical and not a religious reference
They too came under control of several empires. That does not mean they are perpetually and for all time under those empires.

The key point here is the idea of "Yorubaland" is a myth. Yorubaland is a Nigerian creation

Btruth:


True or false, I heard that it is the Oba of Benin that usually crown the Oba of Lagos. Anyone who knows, please tell me ooo.

An Oba does not crown another Oba. Staff of authority, ASE, is what an Oba gives.

In the case of Lagos, the kingmakers, led by Eletu Odibo are the ones that choose who will wear the crown. The crown itself has its own ritual. The Oba elect must not sit under it until after the Araba has consecrated his head. The presenting of the Royal Crown and sitting it on the prince head is done by a woman, Iya Oba, who is a ranking member of the female cosmic cult, Iyami. The staff that the King carry to represent the Throne is sent from Bini.

seguntijan:


your explanation really shows you're knowledgeable but your last sentence shows you're not matured and lack some basic ethical principles.

Ooni has instructed on peace and he is walking the talk. So who am I to find disunity with my brother.

Peace, my brother!

aribisala0:


Whether Ooni is occupying Oduduwa's throne can be debated till eternity. Did Oduduwa ever rule Yorubaland? The answer is a big no
What I am saying is THERE IS NO HEAD OF YORUBAS . NEVER WAS and NEVER WILL BE.

In fact there was no such thing as YORUBAS as a people till the white man created it. Rather there was EkitiOyo Ijebu etc They were separate nations and the were NEVER subordinate to Ooni. There is no such thing that is fantasy
Britain is NOT the head of America

The issue is practical real politics and history. Was Ooni ever a suzerain over any other Yoruba territory?

When you say head please be clear. Political head or spiritual head?

aribisala0:


Read the Bible stories of Jewish History. I cite them as a historical and not a religious reference
They too came under control of several empires. That does not mean they are perpetually and for all time under those empires.

The key point here is the idea of "Yorubaland" is a myth. Yorubaland is a Nigerian creation

You make a strong point though. But as I pointed out to earlier, some matters are just best left as they are because of extant realities and the political exigencies of the day.

Long live 'Yorubaland'

MrPresident1:


You make a strong point though. But as I pointed out to earlier, some matters are just best left as they are because of extant realities and the political exigencies of the day.

Long live 'Yorubaland'

Take your own advice ,there is no king of kings So leave things on that front as they are

Let us not rewrite history. There is no extant reality confering supremacy on anyone ,as long as we realize that there is no argument. I am sure Yorubas can find a way to unite without any one Oba claiming to be top dog.

OPCNAIRALAND:


When you say head please be clear. Political head or spiritual head?

I did not say "head" out of nowhere I only responded to previous comments so you can scroll through and catch up.

There is no political head other that the Federal State and Local governments in Nigeria. If suddenly Nigeria disintegrates Yorubas would not organize themselves politically under any kings

YOU define what YOU mean by spiritual head because I do not know what that means in Yoruba tradition

Salym:

The whole kaakaki trumpet is Hausa culture. So you better advise them to get their own way of doing it completely not only the mode of dressing.

Please drop ignorance. Im very surprised you guys are yet to say drinking water is Hausa culture and Yoruba learnt to drink water from Hausa.

Go and look in royal arts that record ancient Yoruba customs and you will see kaakaki is featured.

aribisala0:
Take your own advice ,there is no king of kings So leave things on that front as they are

Let us not rewrite history. There is no extant reality confering supremacy on anyone ,as long as we realize that there is no argument. I am sure Yorubas can find a way to unite without any one Oba claiming to be top dog.

Does the extant fact that the British empire is no more rule out the historical fact that India or Nigeria was part of the British empire? Or is the Queen no longer recognized as the head (albeit ceremonial) of the Commonwealth?

MrPresident1:


Does the extant fact that the British empire is no more rule out the historical fact that India or Nigeria was part of the British empire? Or is the Queen no longer recognized as the head (albeit ceremonial) of the Commonwealth?

It does not rule out the fact no though I fail to see why you are asking me that . Have I suggested we disregard facts? Did you comprehend what I wrote?
I suggest you comprehend before you respond because I do not see the relevance of what you have written. There is no Yoruba Commonwealth Organization,YET, if one is to be formed then it will have to be discussed. The Commonwealth is made up of sovereign States . There is no sovereign Yoruba state today.

aribisala0:
It does not rule out the fact no though I fail to see why you are asking me that . Have I suggested we disregard facts? Did you comprehend what I wrote?
I suggest you comprehend before you respond because I do not see the relevance of what you have written. There is no Yoruba Commonwealth Organization,YET, if one is to be formed then it will have to be discussed. The Commonwealth is made up of sovereign States . There is no sovereign Yoruba state today.

You are just hyperventilating for nothing, there is no Yoruba commonwealth yet we are all Yorubas? No Yoruba commonwealth yet the Ijebu man answers Yoruba, the Ekiti man answers Yoruba, the Oyo man answers Yoruba?

Bobo yi up your game and stop hyperventilating jare.

OPCNAIRALAND:


An Oba does not crown another Oba. Staff of authority, ASE, is what an Oba gives.

In the case of Lagos, the kingmakers, led by Eletu Odibo are the ones that choose who will wear the crown. The crown itself has its own ritual. The Oba elect must not sit under it until after the Araba has consecrated his head. The presenting of the Royal Crown and sitting it on the prince head is done by a woman, Iya Oba, who is a ranking member of the female cosmic cult, Iyami. The staff that the King carry to represent the Throne is sent from Bini.

Thanks for the information. So, it the staff of authority which represents the throne is from Benin.

Well understood.

MrPresident1:


You are just hyperventilating for nothing, there is no Yoruba commonwealth yet we are all Yorubas? No Yoruba commonwealth yet the Ijebu man answers Yoruba, the Ekiti man answers Yoruba, the Oyo man answers Yoruba?

Bobo yi up your game and stop hyperventilating jare.

Tani Bobo? Se o le pee Ba re ni Bobo?

Boya awon Ba re lo n ventilate. Olorun a a fun won ni alafia.

If you cannot read and comprehend stay away from me I can see your frustration since you are mentally lazy and not capable of logical exertion so the net thing is to go personal.
Not everyone you talk to on the internet is your coeval. O je lo ko eko dada

aribisala0:


Tani Bobo? Se o le pee Ba re ni Bobo?

Boya awon Ba re lo n ventilate. Olorun a a fun won ni alafia.

If you cannot read and comprehend stay away from me I can see your frustration since you are mentally lazy and not capable of logical exertion so the net thing is to go personal.
Not everyone you talk to on the internet is your coeval. O je lo ko eko dada

Ayam sori sah!

I threw a barb to draw you out.

Kabiyesi ooooooooooooooo