OYO ALAAFIN is defacto no 1 that is why we have oyo tunji village in south caroliner u.s.a america. google it out.

HateU2:
Oodua a gbe wa o

. Have you registered? Were you able to pick lagos?

The Alaffin surpassed the Ooni when Oyo became a powerful Empire... back then nobody gave a fvck about the voodoo priest (Ooni) or his little town called ile-ife.

The Ooni was never really a King, he was just a voodoo (juju) priest!

And all the religious festivals were done in their individual villages, towns and cities, nobody traveled to ile-ife for religious festivals - too dangerous and too cumbersome.

Supremacy of the Ooni over other Yoruba rulers was clearly a British idea because they assumed since Ile-ife came first then the Ooni should be the the top yoruba Oba.

proxillin:


Ile-Ife was a spiritual center. Ife is not meant to fight any war. Ile-Ife was like a church.

Oyo was the administrative center. Thats why its fights wars.

Even the Agbekoya war. Ile-Ife did not openly cooperate with Ekiti-Ijesha alliance
You need to get these basics.

HateU2:

Kilode Mr Morufu .
Ayam talking to my fellow original yoruba goons not fake

deji of akure and oba ondo no dy yoruba obas list

My friend shut up, where are your fact

clefstone:
No yoruba monarchy can match the history of the Benin monarchy. The facts are there

The Ooni does not have to fight for what traditionally belongs to him. The Eweka Dynasty continues to reign in Benin Kingdom. What a story!

proxillin:
Yes gerrit

This was written by whom?

While Benin Royal family recognise common ancestry with Ooni of Ife, Benin people are very different people.

Linguistically and culturally despite cross-cultural assimilation over the past 800 years.

Independent research in philology & anthropology has shown that.

Though some Yoruba scholars have tried using their early educational advantage to foster hegemony over Benin.

Any good student of history will remember that a careless statement by another Alake of Egbaland in the Western Parliament led to Oba Akenzua of Benin with politicians from old Benin & Warri province walking out of the parliament.

From there, the determination to create a Mid-West region hardened.

TeOwl:
The Alaffin surpassed the Ooni when Oyo became a powerful Empire... back then nobody gave a fvck about the voodoo priest (Ooni) or his little town called ile-ife.

All the religious festivals were done in their individual villages, towns and cities, nobody traveled to ile-ife for religious festivals - too dangerous and too cumbersome.

Supremacy of the Ooni over other Yoruba rulers was clearly a British idea because they assumed since Ile-ife came first then the Ooni should be the the top yoruba Oba.

You are not getting my point.

Oni was never supreme over Alafin.

Oyo was Yoruba Washington and Pentagon.

Ile-Ife was like Jerusalem.

The base of Yoruba cults and gods up till today. There are more than 100 gods worshipped by all Yorubas in Ile-Ife.

Kiriji war and Colonization changed everything, Ife lost its placed after siding with Ekiti-Ilesha-Ondo alliance.

Ife was not weak, but its an open place for all to worship. So there was little or no military presence.

Do you know that Eko was also weak? Eko was seen as a commercial center by Ijebus. Even Benins had many enclaves in Eko back then.

Places like Oshodi were owned by Benin Merchants

The supremacy ranking is faulty so to say. Oba Alake should not just try to bring conflict among Yoruba race. I think we have known peace for a while now. All I have read so far in history of Yoruba so far did not rank Yoruba Obas but only referred to Ife as center of Yoruba race, and Ooni of Ife was not ranked first in the history, a reference was made about Oduduwa as d founder of Yoruba race...

AreaFada2:


This was written by whom?

While Benin Royal family recognise common ancestry with Ooni of Ife, Benin people are very different people.

Linguistically and culturally despite cross-cultural assimilation over the past 800 years.

Independent research in philology & anthropology has shown that.

Though some Yoruba scholars have tried using their early educational advantage to foster hegemony over Benin.

Any good student of history will remember that a careless statement by another Alake of Egbaland in the Western Parliament led to Oba Akenzua of Benin with politicians from old Benin & Warri province walking out of the parliament.

From there, the determination to create a Mid-West region hardened.

Royal Museum.

Lets stop this hypocrisy. We all know who is trying to rewrite Yoruba history.

Benin historians claimed they dont know who Oduduwa is. That alone is an utter failure.

Oduduwa was older than Benin Kingdom.,...so they dont know him.

TeOwl:
The Alaffin surpassed the Ooni when Oyo became a powerful Empire... back then nobody gave a fvck about the voodoo priest (Ooni) or his little town called ile-ife.

The Ooni was never really a King, he was just a voodoo (juju) priest!

And all the religious festivals were done in their individual villages, towns and cities, nobody traveled to ile-ife for religious festivals - too dangerous and too cumbersome.

Supremacy of the Ooni over other Yoruba rulers was clearly a British idea because they assumed since Ile-ife came first then the Ooni should be the the top yoruba Oba.

I suppose when you become richer or break newer grounds than your father, your family will then re-arrange the positions by putting you before your father because he did nothing other than give birth and you are the important one because you broke new grounds, yes?

proxillin:


Pls who is Oduduwa?

Oduduwa (Izeduwa) was a Benin prince that wander from Benin kingdom to Ife, where he was eventually crown the first ooni of Ife.

proxillin:
Yes gerrit

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Nonsense and self exaltation ranking , what positions are Olowu of Owu who is said to be the first born of Oduduwa, and Owa obokun of Ijesha who is also one of the original sons of Oduduwa. Oranmiyan(alaafin) the youngest became the most powerful and most influential, he created the famous Oyo empire and his descedants ruled over yorubaland for many centuries, the modern Oonis are not descedants of Oduduwa, because none of his children stayed back at Ife, Alake just want to rig a ranking for himself not for Ooni.

comos:


Oduduwa (Izeduwa) was a Benin prince that wander from Benin kingdom to Ife, where he was eventually crown the first ooni of Ife.

Oduduwa was never a king. His first born was king. Ile-Ife was not a town then, so no kingship in place. He met Nupes, EsinOduns and many other Prehistoric people.

He united them into a Yoruba race. Yoruba race existed before his arrival, however, he unified them under Yoruba umbrella.

He gave birth to his own sons who became kings of places including Ile-Ife.

Benin historians dont know Oduduwa...They always fail.

proxillin:
[size=14pt]He is right. Gbam. One of our sons went to Benin to become king. Oba is a Yoruba word. [/size]

one of your son? His father is an edo man how come his ur son.

The Alake should have kept his mouth shut. We don't need this kind of distraction right now. Not when the Ooni is trying to rally everyone around.

As for the so-called Benin chief whose attempt at revisionism is comedic at best, face your work o (Uche style).

ritababe:


one of your son? His father is an edo man how come his ur son.

Question for Google

9jacrip:
What the Bini hinge their argument on is simply the rendition of names.

We need to remind them that names such as Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were nicknames and not actual names.

Oduduwa is a fusion of Odu to da Iwa. The vessel that brought creation/existence. The 'oduduwa' ife king, got called the name because he was the vessel through which Ife confederacy was ended.

Oduduwa is in no way Izoduwa or whatever con you folks come up with. The actual Oduduwa was in Ife's creation history and the name was extended to the human king who ushered in a new era of political unification in Ife.

I'm sure the Bini believe Oranmiyan which they changed to 'Omonayan' was his actual name rather than Odede which as the actual name.

Please and please, Bini folks need to do a proper research of Yoruba words before twisting it to fit into their poor revisionism.

I read somewhere that Ekhalederhen stopped over at Owo? Owo didn't even come into existence until after Oduduwa's period as king in Ife.

"The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan died at Ogheton. Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyo of the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Oba of Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire

Benin elders are not doing their youth any favor. They are not telling them the truth.

[size=18pt]Why does is necessary to bury the head of any late Oba of Benin at Ile Ife or

why is it compulsory to receive the blessing of Ooni before a King or Oba is crowned in Benin.

All these are missing gaps of facts and history, which the academic institutions must trash.[/size]

I don't blame anyone. when civilization frees a slave, he will overstep his boundaries and fight his master. Edo is now an Island?
All those of you that quoted me yesterday, your brother Osho have got some words of advice for you...... go and die!!!

[size=15pt]was Benin even half of what the great Oyo empire was ? Noise makers[/size]

You are mentioning my father in a historical discussion? You MUST be a bas.tard child of a prost.itute mother and an armed robber father.

You know what? Go and jump inside the Lagos Lagoon if you are so pained by what I said!

Uncultured gorilla that does not know how to debate!

9jacrip:



I suppose when you become richer or break newer grounds than your father, your family will then re-arrange the positions by putting you before your father because he did nothing other than give birth and you are the important one because you broke new grounds, yes?

We need to ask all those monarchs claiming superiority what they have contributed to their societies with all their claims. I think they need to learn from the sense of humility and responsibility exhibited by the Ooni of Ife. All these ranting about superiority and hierarchy is unnecessary instead they should concentrate on the development of their communities and take a cue from the exemplary leadership displayed by the Ooni of Ife.

TeOwl:
You are mentioning my father in a historical discussion? You MUST be a bas.tard child of a prost.itute mother and an armed robber father.

You know what? Go and jump inside the Lagos Lagoon if you are so pained by what I said!

Uncultured gorilla that does not know how to debate!

At least my analogy drove my point through.

Now, move along.

Hmmm. A traditional ruler is supposed to think through before talking...We need Unity and a Peaceful Co-existence Not Strive...
He should have kept his thoughts and knowledge to himself and his Palace Chiefs...

I'm not a Bini nor a Yoruba but I've always known the Bini Kingdom to be a Stronger and more Influential than any yoruba kingdom.
No one should seek relevance by trying to create divisions...

Is he trying to say the other Obas in Yoruba land are irrelevant? Or other Yorubas are counterfeit?
We really don't need such statements in Nigeria right Now...He has to be called to order.

banmee:


"The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan died at Ogheton. Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyo of the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Oba of Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire

Wikipedia?

And the emboldened

So now, the exiled prince didn't get to Ife again but now died at Ogheton, interesting.

Bini will keep shifting goal posts forever.

What are you waiting for? You better go and jump inside Lagos Lagoon...

9jacrip:


At least my analogy drove my point through.

Now, move along.

Am not supprise if its coming from his media assistant "Lai Labode" another Lai Mohamed.

proxillin:


Royal Museum.

Lets stop this hypocrisy. We all know who is trying to rewrite Yoruba history.

Benin historians claimed they dont know who Oduduwa is. That alone is an utter failure.

Oduduwa was older than Benin Kingdom.,...so they dont know him.

In Benin people know very well who Ododuwa is. He was in fact the son of the last Ogiso/Obagodo/King of Igodomigodo as Benin was called then. His name was Ekaladerhan. Ododuwa was his regnal name "Imadoduwa".

A name he chose when made leader of Ife. Imadoduwa means "I did not miss my destiny". Simply because he was wrongly banished from Benin. His banishment was concocted by his stepmother.

Fact is history has a way of repeating itself. An Alake is just making another careless statement. One that I believe the Alafin will not take lightly.

Benin has its own history. Very consistent, even before Ododuwa. Each ethnic nationality should be allowed to write its own history.

Yorubaland existed at least 4,000 years before Ododuwa.

My family descends from Ododuwa and my distant relatives seat on thrones from SW to Delta, to Western Igboland & Beyond.

I'm a proud Yoruboid Edo man.

I have more reasons to be objective than you. As I have a link to both sides. You on the other hand only want to put one ethnic group on top, sacrificing scientific research, truth and logic.

The idea of my ancestor coming from Arabia in a mythical way is outrageous.

At this point, far more reasonable to leave Oba of Benin out of Yoruba Kingship supremacy war.

In Benin, despite the first Ogiame/Olu of Warri being son of Oba Olua of Benin, Benin doesn't go on about how the Olu is under Oba of Benin or not.

In modern times, supremacy battle makes no sense.

Each king should endeavour to bring development to his people.

UBINI kingdom had been established before any YORUBA kingdom. The BINIS has no relationship with the YORUBAS.The YORUBAs were a scattered nation before a BINI prince went and organize them ( YORUBAS ) into a nation with head at ILE IFI.

egbose:
UBINI kingdom had been established before any YORUBA kingdom. The BINIS has no relationship with the YORUBAS.The YORUBAs were a scattered nation before a BINI prince went and organize them ( YORUBAS ) into a nation with head at ILE IFI.

Agreed. But who gave that name UBINI (ile ibinu) and what is the meaning in Benin language?