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Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by omoiseselagba: 12:30pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Topam:THESE KINGS ARE CHALATANS.THIS IS WHY I LOST THE LAST RESPECT I HAVE FOR THEM WHEN SOME OF DEM BITCH ASS NIGGAS LAID THEIR OPA ASE ON JONATHAN DURING THE LAST ELECTION.ON THE ALAKE OF AKE-EGBA STATEMANT,HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE IS SAYING.ABEOKUTA WAS FOUNDED IN THE 18TH CENTURY,AND THEY WERE LED OUT OF IBADAN AND OYO BY SODEKE AND LATER ON BY SOMOYE,HOW WILL A KINGSHIP FOUNDED/ESTABLISHED IN THE 18 CENTURY COMPARE HIS THRONE TO THAT OF THE AWUJALE OF IJEBU LAND WHOSE KINGDOM WAS IN EXISTENCE BEFORE THE OYO ESTABLISHED OYO BEFORE IT BECAME AN EMPIRE.HOW DEAR HE COMPARE HIS PEOPLE WITH THE IJEBUS WHOSE ACTION LED TO THE FOUNDING OF IBADAN AND ABEOKUTA.ABEOKUTA AND IBADAN WERE BOTH CREATED AS A RESULT OF THE IJEBU DESTRUCTION OF OWU ILE NOW IN OSUN STATE.THE OWUS WERE SO POWERFUL THEN THAT THEY FIGHT WITH ANY SUB YORUBA KINGDOM THE COME THERE AND REGARDED THEMSELVES AS THE ONLY POWER IN YORUBALAND THEN,THEY HAD ISSUES WITH THE IFES AND THEY IFES WERE CRUSHED TWICE BEFORE THE OWUS BROUGHT THEIR MADNESS TO THE IJEBUS.THE IFES CAME UP TO FIGHT WITH THE IJEBUS TO DESTROY OWU.THE OWU WERE MAD WITH RAGE THAT THE IJEBUS WERE COMING FOR THEM.IJEBU HAD AN ADVANTAGE.THEY GOT guns.......bajinatu.THE OWU CAME OUT WITH RAGE TO CRUSH THE IJEBUS BUT MET THEIR FIRST DEFEAT.THE IJEBUS DECIMATED THEM WITH GUNS AND THE OWUS RAN HOME TO DEFEND THEIR HOME.IJEBU N IFES WHEN ALL THE WAY TO THIER HOMES AND LEVELLED THE PLACE.ALL THE REMAINING OWU RAN OUT OF THE TOWN AND TO A NEAR BY VILLAGE.THE VILLAGE WAS ATTACHED AND DESTRYED TOTALLY BY THE RAMPAGING IJUBUS AND IFE SOLDIER.A spell was casted on the owu land that no one should rebuild the town.after some time,the ijebu soldeirs and ife camped in ibadan and some other oyo element expelled from their land came and settled in eba odan,the rank swell and ibadan was founded,Maye the leader of the ife killed the oyos in the town because of an egba man and their was wahala between the ifes and the oyos in ibadan,this and many other thing led to the exodos of the egbas movement to abeokuta.before the,egbas were never under any king as they were just scattered in ibadan ijaye and other oyo sub towns.how come the ake of ake as i will not call him the ake of egba land because egba land has four kings when abeokuta was created in late 18 century rate himself above a king over all the whole ijebuland that had his own kingdom outside main yoruba/oyo enpire?some should lecture this slowpoke king the history of abeokuta first and then that of yoruba land.imo lo ladini ,ogbon o gbe!.it is only the children born in the indomie era that can br brainwashed with bulshhiitttt!.omo ises will know his/her history.ni awujo gbogbo yoruba,ijebu is king.lets get it straight,the egbas were slaves to oyo,the ekiti were slaves to oyo and ibadan,the ifes were once slaves to modakeke which by culture and tride are oyo,the ondo were slaves to oyo.IT IS ONLY THE IJEBUS THAT WERE NEVER AT ANYTIME UNDER THE OYO ENPIRE.we sold the ekiti,oyo,ibadan as slaves to whites ni.ILU IJEBU AJEJI OWO.A STRANGER THERE NOT ENTER IJEBU LAND.IN THOSE DAYS,ENTER OUR AND THE WORLD SEES YOU NO MORE,eni ba fi ijebu sere,ounfi iku sere ni. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by omoiseselagba: 12:35pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Drabeey:GOD BLESS YOU.WAGBAYII!!! |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by omoiseselagba: 12:39pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
mrbillz:THOSE ONES ARE SECOND CLASS OBA.ONDO WAS ONCE UNDER OYO AND LATER IBADAN BEOFRE OYINBO CAME AND CAPTURED US ALL.OBA OF LAGOS BY TRADITION IS NOT A YORUBA KING.THE STOOL WAS CREATED BY AWORI AND SOME RUNAWAY BENIN PEOPLE.YORUBAS JUST HIJACKED THE THROWN NI.SO WHEN YOU ARE TALIKNG OF ORIGINAL AND HSITORICAL YORUBA KINGS>ABEG DONT MENTION OBA OF LAGOS. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by ajademola2000(m): 12:44pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Saladin25:They are not weak, they are meek people and that doesn't mean they are weak. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by egbose(m): 12:46pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Ile Ubini meaning I ran away from Bini. That was when Ekaladeran ran away from the Bini palace due to some conflict that was cursed by one of the kings wife. On reaching ile ife he was accepted by the Yorubas.Then he assume another name IZODUWA , meaning i have choosing the part of wealth. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by 7lives: 12:53pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
clefstone: Yeye dey smell the Obas of Benin even have burial ground in Ile Ife, so how can Benin kings be superior to the other Yoruba kings or don't you think it should have been the other way round. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by nrdgeek: 1:00pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
9jacrip: Your analogy does not stand when challenged by accurate facts. The Oooni does not even come close to the place of a 'father' in this supposed 'family analogy'. When Oranyan left Ife in an expedition against Mecca, he left all his treasures in Ife and made the High priest, Adimu 'caretaker' of the throne and the royal charms. Note that the Ooni is not even of the bloodline of Oduduwa or Oranmiyan, for that matter. Here's an excerpt from Samuel Johnson, History of the Yorubas, one of the earliest and forthright accounts of Yoruba history: When Oranmiyan was sufficiently strong, he set off for an expedition against "Mecca" to which he summoned his brothers, to avenge the death of their great-grand- father, and the expulsion of his party from that city. He left Adimu one of his father's trusty servants in charge of the royal treasures and the charms, with a strict injunction to observe the customary worship of the national gods Idi and Orisa Osi. This is an office of the greatest importance pertaining to the King himself • but how slaves or high servants are often entrusted with the duties of the master himself is well-known in this country as we shall see in the course of this history. We don't want any revisionist history, please. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by yetunsbay(m): 1:01pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
clefstone:if u want d supremacy; come & hv it |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by JahJaa(m): 1:04pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Wow Learning new things here, am an Igbo guy though <Igbo enwe eze> i doubt if such debate can come to eastern side with no history of kings or empire which i really love <have a nice day guys> and pls no insults just drop your points peacefully n go #1love |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by 7lives: 1:06pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
9jacrip: Thank you God bless you, ORANMIYAN means ORAN " matter " MI " my " YAN an abreviation of YANJU " settled ". ORANMIYAN means " my matters or issues are settled another way of saying " i am blessed or i have succeed or i have overcome " |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by inaiduna(m): 1:17pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
As at yesterday I thought it was ignorance on the alake's part, now I understand better, he does not want to accept the truth from Esogban, no rather he seek something else to clear their doubt on the state of throne in Benin by hearing the Oba of Benin speak... I will advice that all well meaning Edo sons and daughters desist from this thread. There seem to be a "conspiracy" floating somewhere. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Nobody: 1:20pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
9jacrip: Now let us do some serious thinking. So Oduduwa fell out from the sky? And you believe that over the Bini version of a prince of the Ogiso (Gods of the sky) dynasty escaped persecution and wandered into Ife a small settlement and was proclaimed King because of his prowess. Which story do you think is more plausible? 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by tosongolabeaty: 1:25pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Yoruba Obas in 1937 Ooni Adesoji Aderemi (centre).To his left is Colonial British Governor of Nigeria, next,Oba Akenzua of Benin and Oba Ademola, Alake of Abeokuta. To Ooni's right, Oba Oladigbolu, Alaafin of Oyo town, and Oba Adesanya Gbelegbuwa, Awujale of ijebu ode. 6 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by 7lives: 1:27pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
[quote authora=pamcode post=42789498]Olowu should have been the first been the first born of okanbi but owu has lost it supremacy a long time ago[/quote] Olowu is a grandchild, his mother was a daughter of Oduduwa, Olowu was a baby king who later on became a trouble maker i guess his mother's relatives became tired of his over bearing attitude and decided to remind him of who he is. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by bigfrancis21: 1:33pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
forgiveness: The name 'bini' could have come from anywhere and not from 'ile ibinu'. Just as someone mentioned earlier, the Yorubas had an educational headstart and advantage and by virtue of their position wrote historical books before the Binis and used this advantage to their favour. It is widely said amongst the Yorubas and some Binis that Bini comes from 'ile ibinu', whereas in reality it could have come from somewhere else. Also, there is this tendency by Yorubas to interpret or ascribe meanings to any word from the Yoruba language, totally ignoring the possibility of the word's origin from elsewhere or the existence of word co-incidences amongst languages in the world. If the word doesn't make any direct sense or meaning, then it is concocted into something else or twisted into a 'proper' Yoruba word or sentence. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by brownlord: 1:36pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
jerseyboy: I told some of them same when this issue came up some years ago. They have brain but can't think They keep making noise trying to tell how bini's are related to Yoruba and how oduduwa Fell from heaven/sky with soil that's spread across the face of the earth. The world must have been without form and void, water everywhere and the inhabitant lived like fish before oduduwa came and transformed everyone to human. Nonsense |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by 7lives: 1:37pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
jerseyboy: His name is Odua Atewonro, A TE IWON RO means someone who came down from the sky through chain, he did not fell from the sky . Most of these information are hidden in Yoruba oral poetry, get an Ifa worshiper to recite these poetry and bring out whatever information you are looking for out of it. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Kayrich(m): 1:38pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Make alake go sit down somewhere. Ooni(ERU) for where... Why is adimula(oranmiyan true son) for all those that knows the storey not subjecting himself to him & instead to alafin. E come spoil everything by meantioning oba of benin which cant be quantified with all others. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Biafrarep(m): 1:39pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Nwaoguta:This one too is a traditional ruler? Just imagine the childish d!ck measuring exercise, the revered & authentic Oba of Benin, delegated his third in command to lecture this man & even promised to provide teachers that will teach him his history since he is basking in ignorance yet he has continued in this show of shame! It is public knowledge to historians that no "fake" oba compares to the real one in Benin. 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by chiedu7: 1:46pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
never knew Benin was Yoruba Land oh! |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Nobody: 1:47pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
247Dior: Lol. In the real sense of it, there is no Oba of Lagos, just Eleko of Eko. Oba of Lagos is more political than historical and his tiny kingdom is the tiny Eko. When the big Yoruba kings are talking - Eleko dares not open his mouth. Else they will take his crown and let the Idejo Chiefs take over Eko. Heck, the Idejo Chiefs are more powerful than Eleko of Eko or if you want to call it Oba of Lagos. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by chiedu7: 1:48pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
JahJaa: Onitsha had the first King in Igbo land Which even till now in the whole south east & south south the Obi of Onitsha is foremost. When Nationwide the Obi of Onitsha is mentioned with the Ooni & Sultan |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Charlesdock(m): 1:54pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Nwaoguta:Leave that one joor you no do history atall?. Oranmiyan son to Oduduwa went to benin. He married a benin and their son became the first oba of Benin though the Benin has an existing dynasty befor Oranmiyan generation start. after leaving Benin Oranmiyan establish Oyo kingdom(Oyo Ile which was destroyed by the fulanis jihadis) and became the Alaafin meaning the owner of the palace. So clearly speaking Benin should be number two but because Oranmiyan became a king in Oyo and in yoruba kingdom a father will always be the head. And about Alake issue he should go and sit down. when was the Egba kingdom established? what about ketu and the rest of Oduduwa's children? fourth ko eighteen ni |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Nobody: 1:56pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Looool. Now I see why Egba folks had to keep fighting so many unnecessary wars throughout their history. These folks are very troublesome and they fought almost everyone lol. Egba - great warriors and great in battles lol. However, this isn't the time for disunity and I bet the Ooni is regretting the visit now. Alake can NEVER be higher than Awujale on any ranking. And you can't rank Ooni ahead of Alaafin - never. This man needs to back off and stop letting his insecurities cos the Ooni recognised Awujale as higher than him, cause more disunity. It was also an Egba King that caused problem during the old western region. As for Bini, Yorubas own ya Oba dynasty. Cry from now till eternity and re-write history, but you can't the Oba name. That's a Yoruba name. You worship Yoruba Orishas. And Ife and Owo, Yoruba civilisations, will always be the origin of the knowledge of ya artworks. A lot of ya clothes came from the Ijebus. Keep faking the funk - the Oba of Benin knows the truth. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Charlesdock(m): 1:59pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
laurel03:you are right Ijebus aren't yoruba from start they became yoruba due to intermarriage. #ijebupikin |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Nobody: 2:17pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Charlesdock: Stop distorting Ijebu history. Ijebus have always been part of the larger group called Yoruba today. Just cos Ijebus were never under Oyo, which is like the nucleus of Yoruba history today and Ife - that doesn't mean Ijebus aren't Yorubas. Ketu and the other Yoruba groups in other West African countries were also never under the Oyo cluster. Ditto Owo, Akure, and Eko but that doesn't negate the fact that they're Yorubas. Ijebus lived in Oyo and there were many Ijebu settlements all over Yorubaland throughout Yoruba history outside Ijebuland. So if they're not Yorubas, why would they be allowed to move freely? Heck, Iseyin, an Oyo town, was founded by Ijebus. And when you read all the Yoruba wars - Ijebus were active in most of them. 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by arazanbal: 2:23pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
9jacrip: it shows you rily dont knw the binis hestory,evidence about the bini empire are every where in the world.ask the portuguese and the british, it the third empire in the world my friend. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by arazanbal: 2:27pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
YoruBadGoon: where were the yoruba clan when the british/portuges invated the bini dynasty.the world at large hav evidece of the bini empire.make una goooooooogle am oooooo |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by phonesNgadgets: 2:28pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Ife l'orirun Yoruba. Ife Odaye. Ooni is Orisha. Obas are igbakeji Orisha. Ooni #1. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by 247Dior(m): 2:29pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
YoruBadGoon:tnx for the intel |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by abiolert(m): 2:35pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
clefstone:Oba gha to kpere. Ise!. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Nobody: 2:46pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
TeOwl: Ok sir. |
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