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Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Nobody: 11:58pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
AreaFada2: Uncle, the problem with Bini history is they cannot separate Yoruba's mythology from Yoruba's actual history - Yorubas have a problem with this as well. There are two Oduduwas, likewise the two Obatalas and all Yoruba deities. The frist is the actual mythical figure mostly explaining Yoruba creation story and spirituality. Whole the second is the actual human figure who was part of an epoch. These humans mostly get called the names of figures from the spiritual aspect based on the level of their history. Odu to da iwa (vessel that brought existence) was the chicken, chameleon and rooster guy in the creation of the world in Yoruba story. Oduduwa was not the Olofin's real name but was adopted to be used for him because he brought in a new era in Ife. I am sure Bini believe Oranimiyan was the real name of the person they call(ed) Omonoyan? You lot may have Izoduwa or whatever which is good for y'all but civilizations world over have been known to have similarly sounding words for eons despite not having any connection. Oduduwa was never a corruption of Izoduwa, Odu da Iwa (Odu to da Iwa) has a meaning which is different from Izoduduwa which has its own meaning. For further understanding, there's Obatala who got drunk and lost creation chance to Oduduwa and there's Obatala who lived in Ife and whose lineage I'm from. There's Osun who came to earth with othee deity figures and got impregnanted and there was Osun who was human and got married to Sango. There was Olokun who lived in the sea and there was Olokun yemideregbe who lived in Ife and got married to Olofin. There was Orunmila who descended and there was Orunmila who lived at Oke Igeti in Ife whose small hut still stands though in ruins. There was whom Osun birthed and there was Esu who lived in Ife at Ilare. The list is endless, if you want to argue Oduduwa first of all get the meaning of the name in Yoruba and then discard the Mecca, chain from heaven and Egypt stories then begin to read up on Oke Ora, Gbonkaa, Lokore, Obameri, Obadio. Thank you. 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Wyttcat: 8:54am On Feb 11, 2016 |
Who even knows Alake? Alake is a second class Oba. Alake is just jealous of Awujale, because he knows he can't stand where Awujale is, and he's not as powerful and recognizable. Anyways, the Ooni knows best and paying visit in hierarchy of ranks. 1. Alaafin. 2. Awujale 3. 4. 5. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by PenSniper: 9:44am On Feb 11, 2016 |
Nwaoguta: Is that so ? Okay, please answer these questions - 1) Between the Ife and Bini throne, which was the first to come into existence? 2) The word "Oba" is yoruba word and not Edo. So how come it wasn't used by the yoruba but by the Bini ? In yoruba tradition, the Owa of Obokun, Alake of Egbaland, Orangun of Ila, etc, are insignias or the titles of the thrones to which they refer whilst the occupants of the thrones are called "Obas". From time immemorial, the appelations used for heads of Towns and villages in yorubaland are 'Oba' and 'Baale'. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Wyttcat: 10:01am On Feb 11, 2016 |
These low self-esteem crossed breed Benin creeps are crazy along side their fake Oba of benin who is not a real oba in the first place, if he doesn't have Yoruba blood in him, he's a scam, and the spirit behind obas can't be with him, that's why he's mostly confused. Yoruba really need to stop mentioning him in any topic, the Bini that were a Yoruba subgroup are gone forever, these aliens that are occupying the land now just want to ride on the back of the exaggerated history of the land that was NEVER theirs. They are inferior and should be ignored. Stupid people who have to use Yoruba language to worship gods they claim to own. They have to give Yoruba names to their kids and still use my language in key areas of their lives. I feel like throwing up on their heads that are always bigger than the rest of their bodies including that their poo sniffing Oba oshi! |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by nisai: 3:33pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
YoruBadGoon:The Awujale is seeming too soft to me.This is why every bale turned obas in the 18th century ought to proclaiming themselves over him. And you are used to rating Oyo over Ijebu why is that?They (Ijebus) were never conquered by any other subgroup.That we are speaking a concocted oyo dialect today was never by conquest.The Ijebus shown their capacity during the Anglo/Ijebu war.Think what would become of it if they were to unify and gather enough ammunition against another yoruba subgroup. Stop belittling us abeg. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by nisai: 3:39pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
Wyttcat:Him don use him jealousy cause trouble now. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Kayrich(m): 11:36pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
One question i want to ask is this. During old oyo state when alafin & ooni are in this same system, who is the chairman of the council of obas? Now I will know if everybody's comment has basic or not. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Charlesdock(m): 11:55pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
With the way you guys dey draw soup I think we have to wake Oduduwa and the rest of them up oo mak them come back to life and answer question. Who be Alake sef? You can even see that Awujale is not replying because the leader doesn't just yarn with mouth. 4th ko 21st ni. Ijebu lo sure ju bayii |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by mrbillz(m): 12:39am On Feb 12, 2016 |
AreaFada2:THANKS FOR EDUCATING ME MORE ON THIS... |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Wyttcat: 2:55am On Feb 12, 2016 |
Alake wants to be relevant but doesn't know that it's not meant to be and poking his superior(Awujale)is not going to help either. nisai: |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by macof(m): 4:17pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
9jacrip: Edo folks be letting inferiority complex destroy their history I laughed so hard after reading "Ooni is son of Oba of Benin"..."Oba of Benin has no connection with yoruba Obas" so a father has no connection with the son but it's be honest Egbon, we yorubas have also lost our history. .the greater population still mock themselves by saying nonsense like Oduduwa came from the sky or Oduduwa came from mecca. ..why won't Bini take advantage to claim him too? 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by macof(m): 4:39pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
arazanbal: u people feel so inferior but try to mask dat with senseless ego. so now Portuguese and British are ur history keepers wat do we expect when esogban doesn't even know the origin of his King 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by macof(m): 4:57pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
lharstborn: I think that ranking was economic ranking, during colonial times that ranking seems appropriate Abeokuta was a wonderful city already |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Nobody: 9:56am On Feb 15, 2016 |
Wyttcat: Infant ranting from a juvenile. You dare compare your political kings who are nominated and elected like councilors after soliciting for votes with prostrating,squatting and begging? Even a dimwit is wiser than you if you fail to realize that the throne of Benin kingdom can only be compared to the British monarchy where successors are not elected or nominated but ascend the throne based on birthright not family ties. When the likes of Alake n co were hiding in caves from the rampaging female warriors of Dahomey these warriors were paying tax to the Benin kingdom. Ooni was a palace attendant and an upsuper to the throne of Oduduwa which rightly belongs to Oranmiyan hence the Aalafin will never accept Ooni supremacy. Your histroy has be rewritten severally to boost your ego but its laced with so many flaws that you kids can't even defend. You are from a tribe without identity. 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by davidhume1: 12:30pm On Feb 15, 2016 |
macof: I don't blame them. Some of their greatest military conquests were aided by Portuguese mercenaries. They even have plaques celebrating them. Compare that to Oyo's purely African badassry 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Wyttcat: 4:54pm On Feb 15, 2016 |
You can keep living in denial, it's your headache. Your "oba of benin" is even beneath those 3rd class obas you referred to as "squatting and begging" only shame won't let him come out. Our kings are real kings unlike your fake "oba of benin", an imposter. Benin whatever you called never existed, it was an urban legend to make inferior people with no great lineage feel good. It was made up to gloss over your original heritage. Most of you came to Nigeria through the British monarch as porters and were quickly propped up by them, so keep comparing yourselves to the British. And when you hear the Yoruba mention Bini, it's NOT you people occupying the land today, it's the original Bini people that were a subgroup of Yoruba, the aborigines and the owners of the land. opal4real: |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Diademk07: 5:31pm On Feb 15, 2016 |
opal4real:Ibo loser at it again! People with no heritage nor history dabbling with other that aint their mate! I really pity this refugee! 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Nobody: 7:59am On Feb 17, 2016 |
Wyttcat: Have you ever wondered why majority of slaves returnees are yoorooba? Most of you defending a lost cause are kids of former slaves with no identity. Ajayi Crowther,Obadiah,Johnson et al needed an identity then they created one for themselves and their slaves descendants. You have no king bt puppets installed by politicians. Awo called d previous Ooni from U.K n installed him. Same Tinubu did with kneeling young dude who we all know can't even recite IFA corpus. Learn n know ur history nor b curse. Tribe without identity! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Nobody: 8:03am On Feb 17, 2016 |
Diademk07: Nor let am pain you. Tell me where you think your father is from and I will tell u your history free of charge. What it took your father years to teach you I will gladly do it in few minutes. Ewoobi!!! Ovbie'ane yowa! 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by PeterKbaba: 4:46pm On Feb 17, 2016 |
[b] My simple questions for the Benins will be: How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months). How did he survive without food and water for this period? How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)? What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand? How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland? If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty? If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso..... My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line). Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship. End of Story[/b] 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Wyttcat: 11:54am On Feb 21, 2016 |
The same reason Yoruba slaves returned is the same reason yours perished over there, and the rest of you became PORTERS for sailors since you couldn't trace where you iddiots were collected, or you simply didn't want to return home, and had to be brought to Nigeria. Yoruba slaves had something to return to while your tribe was re-enslaved. We Yoruba and our culture survived, that should tell you that we have no equal among the black race. My maternal family are descendants of slave returnees with the English name to go with it, but they are Yoruba that were taken and returned. Don't think just because you have no traceable ancestry, that others are like you. We install our kings anyway we have to, your oba is an impostor. What's Tinubu's business with Ifa? You still have to use Yoruba to recite the Ifa, so who's your father now? opal4real: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by lawani: 6:43am On Jan 28, 2017 |
What the Bini hinge their argument on is simply the rendition of names. Oduduwa means Perdect Grand Master or Supreme Inspector General in Masonic terms. Someone whose conduct can never be faulted by anyone. He has the odu of Iwa. An Ofun meji or Orangun meji odu. Then the first Olowo was the last of the 8 sons of Orunmila, he was made Olowo, some of his brothers were Alara, Ajero, Owarangun Aga etc. So the title predates Oduduwa by thousands of years! But maybe the new Olowo is a descendant of Oduduwa but he will also be that of Orunmila as well. There is need to be educating people on this. Take the word Olodumare for instance, i now see it means Olu odu ma re. The Olu Odu that I will return to and remember Eji ogbe is the King of Odus making it more interesting. Obatala is Ofun. Ogun is Ogunda etc. Odu in itself means high knowledge, knowhow and etc. Among students, it is used to mean 'expo', the Igalas use it to mean name. Igalas would say Eun che odu e? To mean what is your name? Odu is to do with knowledge. In application to God, that is total knowledge. God is Olu Odu the Chief Odu and we Aborisa call him Olu Odu mare Olodumare The Prime or Chief Odu that I will return to. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by Ayobami7(m): 2:13pm On Nov 09, 2018 |
this is my comment |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by lakesidepapa(m): 10:57pm On Nov 09, 2018 |
Topam: FAKE ACCLAIMED! ALAKE IS OVER-RANKING HIMSELF, HE'S NOT UP TO OROGUN ILE ILA, OBOKUN TI ILE IJESHA AND AJERO TI ILE IJERO. |
Re: Yoruba Obas: I Stand By My Ranking — Alake by ADEGUNWA01: 11:55pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Alake or Awujale is not a snr to the Deji of akure Osemawe of ondo olowo of owo Ewi of Ado ekiti. Those obas are very snr obas and there was no time the British or who so ever rank obas in yoruba land. Alake is just looking for nothing |
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