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Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by hammedah001(m): 6:50pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
I came up with this because christian like calling islam religion of terrorism quoting from the quran and ignoring the verses in there bible.... Luke 19:27: Jesus said Bring those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me As well as Matthew 10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Deuteronomy 17 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. Or Deuteronomy 13: 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again. 12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. Or Numbers 31, where God commands the Israelites to attack Midian and kill all the men, all the married women and all the male children but to keep the virgin females as the spoils of war and distribute them among the soldiers. The reason offered for that barbarism? Two Midianite women had allegedly “tempted” two Israelite men to worship other gods |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by unphilaz(m): 6:57pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
ok should we kill then when we are provoked? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by meixili: 7:07pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
“If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. “But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people“. Is this a passage from the Koran telling the Muslims to kill the infidels? Nope. This is not from the Koran. This is a command from Yahweh God written in the Scriptures telling the Israelites to kill their infidel friends and relatives. It is found in Deuteronomy 13: 6-9. |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by jopretty(f): 7:07pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
I think we have other versions of the bible, pls read them and get their different meanings. Muslims work with the old testament while Christians follow the New testament where forgiveness and love is preached and that is the more reason Jesus came. |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by meixili: 7:10pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
jopretty: Sister, how many ' versions of the Bible '. Are there? I want to make sure I don't have a bad Bible. |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by meixili: 7:12pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
jopretty: Sister the new testament says nary a word about not marrying brothers, sister, fathers, mothers. The OT does. Do you follow the OT on this issue? |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by jopretty(f): 7:15pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
meixili:other translations I meant to say. Pardon my mistake. |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by meixili: 7:18pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
jopretty: Many times when I enter a debate with fellow Christians and present verses from the Old Testament to them about some of life's laws and issues that were given to the Jews from GOD Almighty, they immediately give me answers such as "Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an interesting statement. Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled. The verses of Matthew 23:1-3 "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)" We clearly see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it. |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by meixili: 7:21pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
jopretty: Now, as for life's laws and issues, the Old Testament for instance prohibits a son from marrying his own mother, sister, or father's former wife. The Old Testament also orders those who commit adultery to be burnt in fire, and those who decide to desert their religion and follow another religion must get stoned to death (Deuteronomy 13:6-9, and Deuteronomy 17:3-5). Also the Old Testament orders Gays and Lesbians to be burnt in fire. These laws were put by Jesus himself (assuming that Jesus is GOD himself as Christians believe). However, these laws do not exist in the New Testament. Does this mean that since these laws do not exist in the New Testament, then that would allow the son to marry his own mother? or the brother to marry his own sister? or a Gay person to become a minister or priest in a church? and if that would be ok, then wouldn't that all be a contradiction to what Jesus wants since he is the one who inspired the Old Testament? The New Testament did have laws that modified the Old Testament's ones. I do not have a problem with those laws, and yes I do agree that Christians must not follow the laws of the Old Testament that were modified by the New Testament. What I am finding very confusing from the Christians is that they base their life all on the New Testament, and the New Testament does not have many laws in it. It hardly covers any hot topic or issue that we deal with in our life. For instance, the Old Testament has its own laws for inheritance, but the New Testament doesn't. Now, if a father dies and leaves $1,000,000 to a family of 1 boy, 2 girls and a widow wife. According to the Old Testament, only the boy inherits all, and the two daughters and the widow wife must live under the son's laws and mercy according to (Numbers 27:1-11) in the Old Testament. This law was put by Jesus himself (since Jesus is GOD according to the Christians belief). My question is, since the New Testament does not even talk about the topic of inheritance, but the Old Testament does, then wouldn't it make more sense for Christians to follow the laws of the Old Testament, since both the New Testament and the Old Testament were inspired by Jesus himself? It seems to me that the New Testament is not a religion, but rather a story of Jesus' life. Yes, I as a Muslim do love and respect Jesus (peace be upon him) a lot, because we Muslims believe that he is a Messenger from Allah Almighty. However, we do not believe that the current Bible is the true word of God. We believe that the Original Bible still exists today, but is lost. If you study the New Testament carefully, you would notice that Jesus' teachings only cover a column and a half of a news paper today. Jesus lived among his people for 33 years, and all we have from his personal sayings are a column and a half worth of words in a news paper ![]() If you look at the Western World today (which is mostly Christians), you would notice that their constitutions and way of life is not Biblical at all. They avoid Jesus' teachings in the Old Testament (since he is GOD himself and the author of the Old Testament), and they almost don't have any law that deals with life in the New Testament. My question in this case, what kind of standards does the Christian religion have? If Christians have to create their own laws to manage to survive life and its issues, then my friend, wouldn't that make Christianity a useless and irrational religion? Its unfortunate and quite obvious that Christians today made their Bible a useless religion. They refuse to follow the Old Testament, which covers all of life's laws and issues, and they only stick to the New Testament, knowing that (1) the Old Testament was inspired by Jesus himself, and (2) both the Old Testament and the New Testament form what we called today "The Holy Bible". If the Old Testament must not count for Christians today and they must not follow it, then why is it part of their Holy Book? and why follow part of Jesus' teachings and not all of them, meaning, why follow the New Testament alone and not the Old Testament when Jesus himself is the author of both books?. Important Note: When a Christian mother doesn't marry her son, does she not do that because the Old Testament prohibits it or because she just wouldn't do it? When a Christian brother doesn't marry his sister, does he not do it because the Old Testament prohibits it or because he just wouldn't do it? I think this is a very concerning issue today in the United States of America. Today we have Satanic (according to Islam's views) groups such as the Gays and Lesbians, He-Shes, and nude people swimming at the beaches. It would not surprise me if brothers and sisters start marrying each others here in the U.S., and still call themselves Christians. People in the U.S. and the West are becoming more and more corrupted with H.I.V and A.I.D.S diseases spreading rapidly among their societies. Don't tell me "Any normal person wouldn't sleep with his sister", because 50 years ago, we used to say "Any normal person wouldn't sleep with his own gender", and today in California USA, CHRISTIAN men not only sleep with other CHRISTIAN men, but they also MARRY each others!. Same applies for women there. Check this out: On Jerry Springer Show here in the US (one of the most popular shows that discuss social issues in the country), on Monday 6/11/2001, the show's title for that day was "I am sleeping with my son". From among the people that were brought on for that day, some sons and their mothers are even planning on having babies! The fathers were in great shock. Where do you draw the boundaries for sinning? The NT lacks a great deal of teaching regarding these issues. Perhaps the writers of the NT saw no need to mention anything about these issues because they counted on the OT to do the job. Something for all Christians and their Churches to think about. My friend, I am not trying to criticize Christianity. All I am doing, is raising some very important and legitimate questions about Christianity and its laws. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by jopretty(f): 7:30pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
meixili:if we were meant to follow every single law in the old testament, then Jesus shouldn't have come since the old testament is "whole and complete" |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by meixili: 7:41pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
jopretty: Assalamalikum Shalaom Sister I have read your post. Wish you the best of health , God willing. |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by jopretty(f): 7:46pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
meixili:nagode and I have the best of health through grace bestowed on me by Christ Jesus. |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by dolphinheart(m): 8:37pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
Op, those infidels where who? Isrealites who where under the covenant. The area where the law was practiced was where? In the land the isrealites controlled. Now are you trying to find similarities between the treatment of infidels in the koran and the bible? Or are you trying tp claim that the bible says we must kill infidels just like the koran does? Moreover, I thought muslms claim that the God that gave moses the law was Allah, why are you now saying yaweh!? |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by stonemasonn: 10:15pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
meixili:Love your neighbor as yourself, that is the key Christian standard. If there is unconditional love among the earth's inhabitants then there will be no need for laws. |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by meixili: 10:27pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
stonemasonn: Salamalikum Peace my brother I have read your post in its entirety. Appreciate your opinion. |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by reallest(f): 7:47am On Feb 12, 2016 |
jopretty: U Christian should stop using dis lame excuse,u will tell us today how Jesus is yahweh with what u termed as fact with ur Bible,only to turn back tomorrow and start another song how old testament is different from new testament,it's getting irritating,which one should we believe now?is Jesus yahweh or not?.we all know dat both Islam and Christianity encourage killing of infidel(people of other faith) so stop defending d flaw in ur religion,the world need to get rid of religions before it commit more atrocities 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by reallest(f): 7:49am On Feb 12, 2016 |
hammedah001: Hope you know Islam promote d same thing u are accusing Christianity |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by Scholar8200(m): 8:07am On Feb 12, 2016 |
Now let the op and his assistant give us instances where Jesus Christ and His disciples and/or any contemporary Christian movement or Jewish movement 'fulfilled' those passages quoted with reference made thereto as source of inspiration! Besides, those OT commands were given as a means of judgement execution because when the Nation of Israel became guilty of similar offences, other nations were allowed to do same to them! That is why we have Assyrian invasions, Babylonian captivity of Israel etc |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:36am On Feb 12, 2016 |
hammedah001: Jesus was telling a story - the famous parable of the talents . In which people - sinners of course(non believers , followers or adherents of Christ) - will be judged and punished severely . The punishment meted unto the sinners was likened to being slain - death Luke 19:20-30 20 Then another came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’ 24 And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ 25 And they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten minas!’ 26 ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” As well as Matthew 10:34: Not talking of the literal sword but division - a sword splits into two right ? . The love for Christ can cause disagreement/conflict between believers and non believers in a family , a group or organisation . Deuteronomy 17 Jungle J was prevalent in those days - a way of putting an end to the wicked - which is still practiced even today . Total annihilation or decimation of one's enemies during wars were also prevalent in those days . A false alarm by a desperate OP , apparently 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yes The Bible Does Say To Kill The Infidels by analice107: 5:01pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
STOP being so desperate, @ops. When I came in here, I was hoping I will see you quoting this scriptures within context, and after which, you will mention Christian jihadic organisations which uses the verses of the Bible you have quoted to kill infidels. There are Christians and Jews everywhere. Give facts and figures of the infidels they have killed over the years. If you look around but all you see all over the world are Islamic terrorists who uses the Koran to kill people today, then shame on you. All these years, the Muslims kills Christians and Jews, how many times have you heard that the church called for Christians everywhere to rise up and fight back? Do you think we can't? Do you think Islam has monopoly of violence? Look, Satan can use anyone who presents himself, just like the Muslims have presented themselves to be used. If the Christians decides not to turn the other cheek, all the nonsense in the world today will not be there. But we follow Christ, and allow you. Now, you may think you are triumphing. The end shall tell. 1 Like |
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