Reyginus:
Do you agree that Etymologies are true of anything or you don't agree? Let's not confuse ourselves.

You are the one driving us back and forth.

I agree etymology capture the true meaning of a word. I have said this severally and moved away from this. If you have a point to prove here, you can proceed by providing the etymology of 'spirituality' and tell us what it has to do with Christianity.

My point is, Christianity is not a form spirituality. Christianity is a religion which is opposite of spirituality

FOLYKAZE:


You are the one driving us back and forth.

I agree etymology capture the true meaning of a word. I have said this severally and moved away from this. If you have a point to prove here, you can proceed by providing the etymology of 'spirituality' and tell us what it has to do with Christianity.

My point is, Christianity is not a form spirituality. Christianity is a religion which is opposite of spirituality

Lol. I hope after providing the etymology of spirituality you'd have a LoGiCaL defense not some statements saying nothing. He's already making a mistake by thinking Spirituality is opposite of Religion. But I will provide it still.

Here it is: And Read. Read. Think. And Think. Except you are already made up on what to accept.

'of or concerning the spirit" (ESPECIALLY IN RELIGIOUS ASPECTS), from Old French spirituel , esperituel (12c.) or directly from a Medieval Latin ecclesiastical use of Latin spiritualis "of or pertaining to breath, breathing, wind, or air; pertaining to spirit," from spiritus "of breathing, of the spirit".

Do you agree with this if you don't tell me the etymology?

FOLYKAZE:


I wont deny human were sacrifced in Yoruba rites and tradition but this is not encouraged in anyway in Ifa or by Orunmila. Human sacrifice is very common during Oro ritual process. Oro is component of Isese but has nothing to do with Ifa. And as we know, human sacrifice was social norm in the past just like slavery. Christianity just like other tradition religion across the world engage in some form of sacrifice. Jesus sacrifed his life, Anshura in Islam involve sacrificing of bloodd and flesh of human. People are killed for sacrifice when a king died and during the burial process. This is basic Oro tradition and has nothing to do with Ifa. Humans are not sacrificed to any Orisha. I can confidently say no Orisha will accept human blood. One should note that human sacrifice is a practise within our tradition and not spirituality. Victims are killed when Oba die during burial rite. This is Oro custom. . . . And one should note that people are not killed randomly. There are "Abobaku" - which is someone who is chosen to be buried with the king, as according to customs, an King is never buried alone. This is title just like Kingmaker (Afobaje) title. Abobaku are the ones mostly killed as atonement to the land and to accompany the King to the ancestors realm. I understand how barbaric this act is but you cannot put the blame on anyone or the lay down tradition because before someone can be given the title "Abobaku", there would be some kind of mutual agreement between the person who want to be become Abobaku and the chiefs. Abobaku enjoy the same wealth and lifestyle of the king. Immediately they agree to sign up for this post, they are compensated with riches, land, investment, women and enjoy every service just like the King. Some Abobaku are friends of a prince. They know their fate. They are aware they will die immediately the king pass on. They know what will become of them when the king spirit breaks out. They understand they wont live when the king die. They know all these and agreed to lay down their life alongside the kings own. Some agree for the love of the prince or king. Some do because of the royal family. Some do because they want to familarize with palace. Some do because of their greed and what they will eventually earn.

The vital question people refuse to ask is, 'who do we blame'? Is it the royal family, or the custom or the Abobaku who voluntare to lay down his life when the king die? The sacrifice is norms and social upright custom that involve a consensual and mutual agreement between Abobaku and the Royal Family.

There are also some who fall victim during the burial rite of the king. They are later either freed, serve the palace as a punishment or killed. These victims are captured during Oro process. However, people are warned. There are awareness by the town crier, message conveyed through every means and information are dispersed that people, especially women and stranger or non-indigene should stay indoor. The primary point here is that they were warned. They turned deaf ear and have to bear the conequences of their decision.

In a state where there is no law, there is no crime likewise. Those who were sacrificed during Oro rite voluntared themselves or choose to go against the law. Do you blame the court for executing criminals? Or you cast the blame on the criminal who choose to pertain in criminal act?

This boils down to the matter of one's choice and decision. I think this is why we are called "Eniyan". . . .(the one who choose what befores him). There is a game of choices on board. All the choices result to one end of no return called death or let me say human sacrifice.

Ifa is not about Charm. It is more of self-development. Ifa help one to identify self, provide answer to purpose of our existence and ways of achieving it. Our Character is akin to our destiny. Iwa-pele is ultimate in Ifa. Keeping our destiny in harmony with incidence, time and choice is very vital. An inbalance is what lead to chaos. This is why we say Ori inu mi ma ba ti ode mi je. When there is no harmony, there is trouble (ara o ni ro okun be ni koni ro adie).

Eebo or sacrifce is called "paroparo" - Exchange. Nothing in nature comes free. One got to earn with something. There is live on earth because exchange one thing they have to collect their desire. We and trees breathe harmonously and exchange gas for our survival. We sacrifice cabonhydrate to breathe in Oxygen which trees sacrificed. Therefore life continue. . .an imbalance or disharmony means chaos - end of life. This Eebo is Natural and set in motion by the supreme power.

You got to sacrifice to live and procure your desire or you land in Chaos which you will regret. Riru ebo ni gbe ni.

Thanks

I seems you are knowledgeable on the Yoruba religion. First are spirits real? Do rituals actually work? Cos I could walk up to any random person, tell him/her is possessed with an evil spirit and cast it out with profound physical effect (super cool trick). Or pour water from a jug till it empty and simply refill the jug by blessing it (another super cool trick).

Reyginus:
Lol. I hope after providing the etymology of spirituality you'd have a LoGiCaL defense not some statements saying nothing. He's already making a mistake by thinking Spirituality is opposite of Religion. But I will provide it still.

Here it is: And Read. Read. Think. And Think. Except you are already made up on what to accept.

'of or concerning the spirit" (ESPECIALLY IN RELIGIOUS ASPECTS), from Old French spirituel , esperituel (12c.) or directly from a Medieval Latin ecclesiastical use of Latin spiritualis "of or pertaining to breath, breathing, wind, or air; pertaining to spirit," from spiritus "of breathing, of the spirit".

Do you agree with this if you don't tell me the etymology?

You are very manipulative in your argument. You went and brought out distored definition fit into what you want me to see (religion)

The embolden is the real deal Rey.

Your presented etymology buttress my points further. Here are the points:

1. The embolden word 'especially' shows you are not providing a sincere and traditional definition of spirituality. Therefore, the first coming definition is one sided, not traditional or original and cannot be accepted.

2. The word 'especially' there makes your whole definition not acceptable. Especially is employed when one want to single out a thing, or situation over others. So what you provided is heavily distorted, one sided, not realistic and cannot be accepted.

3. Etymology of a word got lost when you define the said word from a particular angle, perspective, or aspect. A very good example is the word worship. Etymologically, worship simple mean acknowledging the worth of someone or something. But when you define worship from the christian aspect or perspective, we arrive at this definitions - the act of showing respect and love for a god by praying with other people who believe in the same god; and - The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed. Can you see the gap between etymology and christian perspective of worship? What has 'acknowledging worth of something' got to do with communual prayer or ceremonies? Do you now see that perception from one particular angle distort, dillute and redress the original or traditionall or root meaning of a word? So Rey, your definition and etymology do not align and cannot be accepted.


4. I dont really have problem with your presented etymology. But what does the etymology have to do with christianity? What are the relationship between the etymology of spirit and Christianity?

5. I am not making any mistake when I said religion is not spirituality. Religion is from the latin religionem meaning bond between man and God. Another latin word is ligare meaning bind. So we can define religion as a belief system that binds some groups together. This is opposing to spirituality from the word spirit which has it root in the latin word spiritualis meaning wind or breathe. , generally meaning individual animation. This seems to translate to the fact that religion is a group belief system, whereas spirituality is more of an individualist belief system.

Christianiny is a group belief system which is religion. Ifa is an individualist belief system which makes it spirituality.

Christianity as a religion contain codes, ethic, rules and regulation, this cannot be said of Ifa which makes it a spirituality.

The most important thing here is individual spiritual experince over brotherhood of christ.

FOLYKAZE:


You are very manipulative in your argument. You went and brought out distored definition fit into what you want me to see (religion)

The embolden is the real deal Rey.

Your presented etymology buttress my points further. Here are the points:

1. The embolden word 'especially' shows you are not providing a sincere and traditional definition of spirituality. Therefore, the first coming definition is one sided, not traditional or original and cannot be accepted.

2. The word 'especially' there makes your whole definition not acceptable. Especially is employed when one want to single out a thing, or situation over others. So what you provided is heavily distorted, one sided, not realistic and cannot be accepted.

3. Etymology of a word got lost when you define the said word from a particular angle, perspective, or aspect. A very good example is the word worship. Etymologically, worship simple mean acknowledging the worth of someone or something. But when you define worship from the christian aspect or perspective, we arrive at this definitions - the act of showing respect and love for a god by praying with other people who believe in the same god; and - The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed. Can you see the gap between etymology and christian perspective of worship? What has 'acknowledging worth of something' got to do with communual prayer or ceremonies? Do you now see that perception from one particular angle distort, dillute and redress the original or traditionall or root meaning of a word? So Rey, your definition and etymology do not align and cannot be accepted.


4. I dont really have problem with your presented etymology. But what does the etymology have to do with christianity? What are the relationship between the etymology of spirit and Christianity?

5. I am not making any mistake when I said religion is not spirituality. Religion is from the latin religionem meaning bond between man and God. Another latin word is ligare meaning bind. So we can define religion as a belief system that binds some groups together. This is opposing to spirituality from the word spirit which has it root in the latin word spiritualis meaning wind or breathe. , generally meaning individual animation. This seems to translate to the fact that religion is a group belief system, whereas spirituality is more of an individualist belief system.

Christianiny is a group belief system which is religion. Ifa is an individualist belief system which makes it spirituality.

Christianity as a religion contain codes, ethic, rules and regulation, this cannot be said of Ifa which makes it a spirituality.

The most important thing here is individual spiritual experince over brotherhood of christ.

Lolololololololol. You are not really honest. Let me help your number four. The etymology is simply telling you that Spirituality has to do with the Spirit, the inner man and it can Religious or Not Religious. Fault me. You can also get us your Etymology of the word.

logoscope:

I seems you are knowledgeable on the Yoruba religion. First are spirits real? Do rituals actually work? Cos I could walk up to any random person, tell him/her is possessed with an evil spirit and cast it out with profound physical effect (super cool trick). Or pour water from a jug till it empty and simply refill the jug by blessing it (another super cool trick).

What do you understand as reality?

Ritual works. The daily ritual we human and animal make to the god called "Olubobotiribo" provide us physical growth and strenght. Olubobotiribo is mouth. The sacrifice we give it the food we eat. And we gain energy and chemicals to boost our growth, brain and strenght.

This is why I do define Sacrifice as Nourishment. You give out meal either into your belly or a natural entity called God. There wil always be an equal reaction which will be your own gain.

Our Fathers feed Mother Earth (Iyale) with leaves, pieced fruit, seed and tuber. They give earth waste of animal and blood in form of ritual to appeal the earth with the expectation to havest more in later future. What they do is called Natural fertilization. So we know how large the harvest would be after they have made their sacrifice (apply fertilizer) to the soil. To the traditionist, the sacrifice has been accepted and works fine.

Trick here is meant for entertainment. Eshu is the master of tricks. This has nothing to do with Ifa

I am wondering if Folykaze really doesnt understand Reyginus or that he is just acting it....
Reyginus point is crystal clear to me....

Reyginus:
Lolololololololol. You are not really honest. Let me help your number four. The etymology is simply telling you that Spirituality has to do with the Spirit, the inner man and it can Religious or Not Religious. Fault me. You can also get us your Etymology of the word.

Bros. . .

You are finding it hard to do away with your misconcepts.

Spirit mean breathe or wind. Spirit can be defined as the vital principle that animinate person. This has nothing to do with inner man.

Religion is a group belief system, while spirituality is more of an individualist belief system. One is personal while the other is not. One is binded by law while the other come as will and or best experience. Therefore, these large differences cannot make both spirituality and religion the same.

I gave you the etymology of spirituality. I stated that spirituality comes from the word spirit which has it root in the latin word spiritualis meaning wind or breathe. , generally meaning individual animation.

You are confusing soul (inner man) and spirit. They are two different things though sometimes used interchangably but stil have different meaning.

Christianity is not an individual thing thereofre cannot be regarded as spirituality.

This cannot be said of Ifa. Ifa is more personal. My relationship with my Ori, mediation in Igbodu or Ojubo, and engagement with Orisha is very personal. My wife, parent and even priest cannot get involve. There is no lay down rule or conduct. Everything boild down to will, choice, experience and personal evaluation. This is why it is a pure spirituality unlike Christianity which has been bastardized with doctrines, church tradition and manipulations

Tufanja:
I am wondering if Folykaze really doesnt understand Reyginus or that he is just acting it....
Reyginus point is crystal clear to me....

What is his point that is clear to you?

That guy is trying to trap me in a cirlce. . .he is wild.

FOLYKAZE:


What do you understand as reality?

Ritual works. The daily ritual we human and animal make to the god called "Olubobotiribo" provide us physical growth and strenght. Olubobotiribo is mouth. The sacrifice we give it the food we eat. And we gain energy and chemicals to boost our growth, brain and strenght.

This is why I do define Sacrifice as Nourishment. You give out meal either into your belly or a natural entity called God. There wil always be an equal reaction which will be your own gain.

Our Fathers feed Mother Earth (Iyale) with leaves, pieced fruit, seed and tuber. They give earth waste of animal and blood in form of ritual to appeal the earth with the expectation to havest more in later future. What they do is called Natural fertilization. So we know how large the harvest would be after they have made their sacrifice (apply fertilizer) to the soil. To the traditionist, the sacrifice has been accepted and works fine.

Trick here is meant for entertainment. Eshu is the master of tricks. This has nothing to do with Ifa

But there is a scientific reason why this works. I'm mean eating of food and application of fertilizer. There is nothing mystifying about it. What I'm concerned about is events that seems to defile physical laws. Such as cutlass proof, appearing and disappearing, seeing sm1 through a white cloth, e.t.c

logoscope:

But there is a scientific reason why this works. I'm mean eating of food and application of fertilizer. There is nothing mystifying about it. What I'm concerned about is events that seems to defile physical laws. Such as cutlass proof, appearing and disappearing, seeing sm1 through a white cloth, e.t.c

Who says Science negates spirituality?

Science is a component part of spirituality. Are you aware of Alchemy (Spirituality) and Chemistry (Science)? Do you know Astrolatry and Astronomy? Do you know agriculture is a spiritual act before modernity comes?

Fela to be spiritual is not by praying and going to church. Spiritualism is the understanding of the universe so that it can be a better place to live in. Now if science entails understanding of the universe, isnt that componnent part of Spirituality?

FOLYKAZE:


Bros. . .

You are finding it hard to do away with your misconcepts.

Spirit mean breathe or wind. Spirit can be defined as the vital principle that animinate person. This has nothing to do with inner man.

Religion is a group belief system, while spirituality is more of an individualist belief system. One is personal while the other is not. One is binded by law while the other come as will and or best experience. Therefore, these large differences cannot make both spirituality and religion the same.

I gave you the etymology of spirituality. I stated that spirituality comes from the word spirit which has it root in the latin word spiritualis meaning wind or breathe. , generally meaning individual animation.

You are confusing soul (inner man) and spirit. They are two different things though sometimes used interchangably but stil have different meaning.

Christianity is not an individual thing thereofre cannot be regarded as spirituality.

This cannot be said of Ifa. Ifa is more personal. My relationship with my Ori, mediation in Igbodu or Ojubo, and engagement with Orisha is very personal. My wife, parent and even priest cannot get involve. There is no lay down rule or conduct. Everything boild down to will, choice, experience and personal evaluation. This is why it is a pure spirituality unlike Christianity which has been bastardized with doctrines, church tradition and manipulations

Lol. Through which means do you relate to Ifa? How do you do it?

Tufanja:
I am wondering if Folykaze really doesnt understand Reyginus or that he is just acting it....
Reyginus point is crystal clear to me....

I'm hundred percent sure he understands. The problem is that he's already made up his mind on what to accept. To even begin, the origin and history of the English word is Christian and Cultic.

Reyginus:
Lol. Through which means do you relate to Ifa? How do you do it?

By casting divination chain (Opele) or nuts (Ikin). The pattern that surface must be understood. And further interpretation will be infused.

This is more like testing your body temp with a medical device, understanding the test result and having ability to interprete your result. The only matter of difference between medical device and Ifa is that one is technical and the other is spiritual.

I dont personally have my Ikin Ifa though my Awo is disturbing me to get one. Those who have their Ikin needs to personaly relate with it. They do not need communual service or congregate in a bulding with other Awo before they can relate with their Ifa. Samething goes with Ori. . . .this is individual Orisha, the spark of consciousness and the Original self. Connecting Ori Inu with Iponri is a personal task. This will make us grow spiritually and know who we are, why we are here and how to reach our aims.

There no rule, doctrine, ethic or code at arriving this spiritual height in Ifa. This is what made up what we call spirituality. To know your self is a task and if you succeed then you will become an Orisa Akunlebo.

Christians are selfless "wannabe" who lost their selfness in sin and think beliving in one dead Jew is the Lord and Saviour, and following his way of life will restore this selfness in a new heaven.

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Reyginus:
I'm hundred percent sure he understands. The problem is that he's already made up his mind on what to accept. To even begin, the origin and history of the English word is Christian and Cultic.

Oga refute my points if you find any wrongs in it. I do not make up my mind. I have critically examine both sides and find out spirituality has been distorted and bastardiced by religionist like you. The fact must be lay down.

Tell us how Christianity is a spirituality.. Maybe you should come from another side. The definition and etymology attempt has been trashed as what you presented does not have any correlation with Christianity and Spirituality been on the same path.

FOLYKAZE:


Who says Science negates spirituality?

Science is a component part of spirituality. Are you aware of Alchemy (Spirituality) and Chemistry (Science)? Do you know Astrolatry and Astronomy? Do you know agriculture is a spiritual act before modernity comes?

Fela to be spiritual is not by praying and going to church. Spiritualism is the understanding of the universe so that it can be a better place to live in. Now if science entails understanding of the universe, isnt that componnent part of Spirituality?

Okay, okay. what about the other part I said: Such as cutlass proof,
appearing and disappearing, seeing sm1 through a
white cloth, e.t.c

logoscope:

Okay, okay. what about the other part I said: Such as cutlass proof,
appearing and disappearing, seeing sm1 through a
white cloth, e.t.c

I will not tell you to believe any of those things. The best form of knowledge is experience. However, what you listed there is what we call "supernatural".

Supernatural can be define as an occurence which have no natural explanation or cannot be observe within frame of scientifical/known natural laws.

Supernatural occurence is real. You can experience it yourself. But I will oblidge you not to accept my words till after you have your own unexplanable experience.

I dont have charm or possess those supernatural devices because I have no condition where they are needed. I can however testify that there are potent charm becasue I have experienced it first hand. I am thinking of sharing my testimonies soon. This is all stories. . . .but I understand you cannot make a valid conclusion with my stories. A first hand experience will convince ya

Goodluck with that

FOLYKAZE:


I will not tell you to believe any of those things. The best form of knowledge is experience. However, what you listed there is what we call "supernatural".

Supernatural can be define as an occurence which have no natural explanation or cannot be observe within frame of scientifical/known natural laws.

Supernatural occurence is real. You can experience it yourself. But I will oblidge you not to accept my words till after you have your own unexplanable experience.

I dont have charm or possess those supernatural devices because I have no condition where they are needed. I can however testify that there are potent charm becasue I have experienced it first hand. I am thinking of sharing my testimonies soon. This is all stories. . . .but I understand you cannot make a valid conclusion with my stories. A first hand experience will convince ya

Goodluck with that

I've seen a first hand experience. It was one in which they were trying to fish out who stole a phone. It goes thus: "if blahblahblah stole the phone, let the Bible spin". For perfect description, imagine something in the shape of letter "T" protruding out of the Bible, tied with thread and then two people hold the edges of the letter "T". Then the thing spins accordingly.

I can't be sure weather it was an awesome trick or not because we were all made to swear with it that in the next 7 days, the person would go mad. But nobody went mad and the "Bible spinning thing" revealed that the thief was in that house and they were even able to get the persons' name.

Tufanja:


Thanks for asking. Finished the major part last monday, yesterday went to Brussels to discuss the stuff and before my flight leaves on friday I need to finish the rest and get my stuff packed. Really only bad thing of traveling is always the lack of time to pack and that dragging around with luggage like a snail!

How be your side?

It's fine dear, just busy busy busy.

It's "how your side be"

FOLYKAZE:


Oga refute my points if you find any wrongs in it. I do not make up my mind. I have critically examine both sides and find out spirituality has been distorted and bastardiced by religionist like you. The fact must be lay down.

Tell us how Christianity is a spirituality.. Maybe you should come from another side. The definition and etymology attempt has been trashed as what you presented does not have any correlation with Christianity and Spirituality been on the same path.

Lol. Thrashed? How? By saying that what is spiritual is not spirituality or by disagreeing with the definition of Spirituality? The word has been abused. Lol. What's the original then?

FOLYKAZE:


By casting divination chain (Opele) or nuts (Ikin). The pattern that surface must be understood. And further interpretation will be infused.

This is more like testing your body temp with a medical device, understanding the test result and having ability to interprete your result. The only matter of difference between medical device and Ifa is that one is technical and the other is spiritual.

I dont personally have my Ikin Ifa though my Awo is disturbing me to get one. Those who have their Ikin needs to personaly relate with it. They do not need communual service or congregate in a bulding with other Awo before they can relate with their Ifa. Samething goes with Ori. . . .this is individual Orisha, the spark of consciousness and the Original self. Connecting Ori Inu with Iponri is a personal task. This will make us grow spiritually and know who we are, why we are here and how to reach our aims.

There no rule, doctrine, ethic or code at arriving this spiritual height in Ifa. This is what made up what we call spirituality. To know your self is a task and if you succeed then you will become an Orisa Akunlebo.

Christians are selfless "wannabe" who lost their selfness in sin and think beliving in one dead Jew is the Lord and Saviour, and following his way of life will restore this selfness in a new heaven.

You still miss the question. How do you relate with your divination through nuts?

logoscope:

I've seen a first hand experience. It was one in which they were trying to fish out who stole a phone. It goes thus: "if blahblahblah stole the phone, let the Bible spin". For perfect description, imagine something in the shape of letter "T" protruding out of the Bible, tied with thread and then two people hold the edges of the letter "T". Then the thing spins accordingly.

I can't be sure weather it was an awesome trick or not because we were all made to swear with it that in the next 7 days, the person would go mad. But nobody went mad and the "Bible spinning thing" revealed that the thief was in that house and they were even able to get the persons' name.

Those that do this bible-chain stuff are white garment christians.

I dont usually see those people as christians. They are more like Lukumi disgusing as Catholic

Reyginus:
Lol. Thrashed? How? By saying that what is spiritual is not spirituality or by disagreeing with the definition of Spirituality? The word has been abused. Lol. What's the original then?

Halting you from bringing in spirituality into religion with some word play game. You are trashed.

I did not dispute the etymology you presented. I only asked you to align the etymology with Christian teaching which you cant. This indicate you are confused about Spirituality and the fact that it is distant from Christianity.

Reyginus:
You still miss the question. How do you relate with your divination through nuts?

What do you think the divination nuts are? Some mythical being huh?

How do you relate with your bible?

FOLYKAZE:


Halting you from bringing in spirituality into religion with some word play game. You are trashed.

I did not dispute the etymology you presented. I only asked you to align the etymology with Christian teaching which you cant. This indicate you are confused about Spirituality and the fact that it is distant from Christianity.

Lololol. Chai! See lies o. Okay let me do it again.

'of or concerning the spirit" ( ESPECIALLY IN
RELIGIOUS ASPECTS), from Old French spirituel
, esperituel (12c.) or directly from a Medieval
Latin ecclesiastical use of Latin spiritualis "of or
pertaining to breath, breathing, wind, or air;
pertaining to spirit," from spiritus "of breathing,
of the spirit'.

Christianity tries to reconcile the man both meditation, self examination and spirit connection to a deity. A yes or No will do. Or you can even dispute the claims.
Or give me the original etymology.

FOLYKAZE:


What do you think the divination nuts are? Some mythical being huh?

How do you relate with your bible?

I relate with the bible by studying the words and applying them. How do you relate with your nuts?

Reyginus:
I relate with the bible by studying the words and applying them. How do you relate with your nuts?

Mediate on Ese Ifa and apply them to one live. This is for personal

When the nuts are casted, Omo Awo will recant the ese, and "ki" Ifa. The Agba there will interprete it and you are to apply it. And this is for consultants.

FOLYKAZE:


Mediate on Ese Ifa and apply them to one live. This is for personal

When the nuts are casted, Omo Awo will recant the ese, and "ki" Ifa. The Agba there will interprete it and you are to apply it. And this is for consultants.

What's Ese Ifa and who are Omo Awo and Agba?

Reyginus:
Lololol. Chai! See lies o. Okay let me do it again.

'of or concerning the spirit" ( ESPECIALLY IN
RELIGIOUS ASPECTS), from Old French spirituel
, esperituel (12c.) or directly from a Medieval
Latin ecclesiastical use of Latin spiritualis "of or
pertaining to breath, breathing, wind, or air;
pertaining to spirit," from spiritus "of breathing,
of the spirit'.

I don know you he don tay. You are that dubious Rey since Sango and energy debate who like going in endless cycle.

What you wrote there contain two substances. One is a definition while the oher one is etymology. I shredded your definition when you were attempting to bring religion into it. Religion has nothing to do with spirituality. That is my point.

And here is some ref:

The term "spirituality", as contrasted with "religion", which derives from the Latin ligare or "belief systems that bind groups", derives from the the term wind or breath, generally meaning individual animation. This seems to translate to the fact that religion is a group belief system, whereas spirituality is more of an individualist belief system.

In an ancient etymological sense, as over 72 percent of modern religions are derived from Ra theology, the term spirituality seems to be a syncretism of "ka" and "breath of Ptah", in contrast to "ba" the immortal part that gets judged on the afterlife scale of Maat.

Religion

A common modern definition of how modern “elite” American scientists, i.e. those at top universities, see religion as qualitatively different from spirituality include the response “religion is institutionalized dogma” or “religion is organized against individual inquiry”, which is said, according to American science culture sociologist Elaine Ecklund, to translate to the effect that religion is the rule of powerful people that propagate false information that is not true and that individual spiritual inquiry protects people from groupthink.

http://www.eoht.info/page/Spirituality

The differences between religion and spirituality is glaring there.

Spirituality is not institutionalized like Religion.

Spirituality is an individual belief system. This oppose religion which is organised.

Spiriuality have no room for codes, ethic and conducts, religion have generalized rules and regulation.

Religion is about who is in and who is out. Creating a gap between those in the institution and those outside. Spirituality is about all including plants, animals and inanimate objects.

Spirituality makes us see ourselves as and become God. Religion tell us about God and us as subjects.

Spirituality makes us to belief from our experience, relligion maes you belief in other people experience.

The central focus of religion is faith and belief. Spirituality makes us a being.

Religion is a set of dogma, sets of rules and behaviors. Spirituality is what you feel without being told and without having to belong to something in particular.

Spirituality create a world of one. Religion create thousands of world.


If you can see these differences and still not withdraw the religion crap you infused into that definition above, then you are not to be taken serious never again.



Concerning the etymology, I dont have problem with it until I found out you can not relate it with Christianity.

Reyginus:
Christianity tries to reconcile the man both meditation, self examination and spirit connection to a deity. A yes or No will do. Or you can even dispute the claims.
Or give me the original etymology.

How is Christianity relating to Spirituality when the bible itself raised a stern warning against christians from practising spiritualism? Leviticus 19:31, Leviticus 20:6 and Deuteronomy 18:9-13.

The bible forbids spiritualism. And therefore, christianity has notning to do with spirituality.

Reyginus:
What's Ese Ifa and who are Omo Awo and Agba?

Bros. . .Some Yoruba words do not have direct meaning in English.


Ese Ifa is something like verse from Ifa corpus.

Omo Awo mean a young initiate.

Agba Awo are the baba who are initited in Ifa society a very long time

FOLYKAZE:


I don know you he don tay. You are that dubious Rey since Sango and energy debate who like going in endless cycle.

What you wrote there contain two substances. One is a definition while the oher one is etymology. I shredded your definition when you were attempting to bring religion into it. Religion has nothing to do with spirituality. That is my point.

And here is some ref:



The differences between religion and spirituality is glaring there.

Spirituality is not institutionalized like Religion.

Spirituality is an individual belief system. This oppose religion which is organised.

Spiriuality have no room for codes, ethic and conducts, religion have generalized rules and regulation.

Religion is about who is in and who is out. Creating a gap between those in the institution and those outside. Spirituality is about all including plants, animals and inanimate objects.

Spirituality makes us see ourselves as and become God. Religion tell us about God and us as subjects.

Spirituality makes us to belief from our experience, relligion maes you belief in other people experience.

The central focus of religion is faith and belief. Spirituality makes us a being.

Religion is a set of dogma, sets of rules and behaviors. Spirituality is what you feel without being told and without having to belong to something in particular.

Spirituality create a world of one. Religion create thousands of world.


If you can see these differences and still not withdraw the religion crap you infused into that definition above, then you are not to be taken serious never again.



Concerning the etymology, I dont have problem with it until I found out you can not relate it with Christianity.



How is Christianity relating to Spirituality when the bible itself raised a stern warning against christians from practising spiritualism? Leviticus 19:31, Leviticus 20:6 and Deuteronomy 18:9-13.

The bible forbids spiritualism. And therefore, christianity has notning to do with spirituality.

Mr Kaze, why are you doing this? You mean Leviticus and Christianity? Deuteronomy and Christianity?

But then Spiritists are those who communicate with the dead. You expect the bible to encourage that? I don't see how this contradicts Spirituality. Yes, spiritism is spirituality but religion is also. And in Deuteronomy too it is simply saying that their ways are evil. It's just like you saying that Christian ways shouldn't be followed. It doesn't mean your Ifa lacks Spirituality