FOLYKAZE:


Bros. . .Some Yoruba words do not have direct meaning in English.


Ese Ifa is something like verse from Ifa corpus.

Omo Awo mean a young initiate.

Agba Awo are the baba who are initited in Ifa society a very long time

You know why I'm asking all these. I'm trying to see the difference between your Ifa practise and Christianity's. Ifa Corpus is like the Bible. Omo Awo is a new Christian convert. Agba Awo are the believers who are elders and teachers. Your nuts is prayer. So what else do you do they don't do. Why is yours, that involves incantations, rituals and self examination Spirituality but Christianity's involving prayer or incantations, rituals, and self examination not Spirituality?

Reyginus:
You know why I'm asking all these. I'm trying to see the difference between your Ifa practise and Christianity's. Ifa Corpus is like the Bible. Omo Awo is a new Christian convert. Agba Awo are the believers who are elders and teachers. Your nuts is prayer. So what else do you do they don't do. Why is yours, that involves incantations, rituals and self examination Spirituality but Christianity's involving prayer or incantations, rituals, and self examination not Spirituality?

1. Nuts is prayer. Nuts is called Ikin. . This is divination tools. Babalawo will not ask anyone to fast and pray. Who do you think we should pray to?

The word for prayer is Adura in Yoruba. Babalawo carefully avoid using that word but rather choose "be", that is appeal.

2. Ifa is a personal thing. This is the component of spirituality. Christianinty is an organised, communion issue. That makes Christianity a religion.

The difference here is that Ifa is an individual spiritual system while Christianity is a communion belief system.

angels09:

Ishilove is taken quit wanking with her pictures already

Yet another romancelander tool.

I'm baaaaack!!!

Ishilove:

I guess every forum needs a rabid, attention seeking troll to liven things up.

Notice that he says he is going off once i gave him my last word

Starve trolls of their meal and they will crawl back to the pit from whence they oozed from


To more important and edifying things! How is your assignment going?

Mrs Delielah
Mrs Lie Mohamed
Mrs Liewola
Are you a liebrarian?


You can lie. So you are now claiming that your "last word" bought me my flight ticket and made me to leave nairaland for 2 days?

I just dey watch.

So I left and somehow the tempo of this thread died a little. just barely over one page from wednesday afternoon?

Notice how the female trolls calmed down!

FOLYKAZE:


1. Nuts is prayer. Nuts is called Ikin. . This is divination tools. Babalawo will not ask anyone to fast and pray. Who do you think we should pray to?

The word for prayer is Adura in Yoruba. Babalawo carefully avoid using that word but rather choose "be", that is appeal.

2. Ifa is a personal thing. This is the component of spirituality. Christianinty is an organised, communion issue. That makes Christianity a religion.

The difference here is that Ifa is an individual spiritual system while Christianity is a communion belief system.

Good work, Folykaze!

You are a real son of the soil!

Reyginus:
You know why I'm asking all these. I'm trying to see the difference between your Ifa practise and Christianity's. Ifa Corpus is like the Bible. Omo Awo is a new Christian convert. Agba Awo are the believers who are elders and teachers. Your nuts is prayer. So what else do you do they don't do. Why is yours, that involves incantations, rituals and self examination Spirituality but Christianity's involving prayer or incantations, rituals, and self examination not Spirituality?

Bro, forget that one.

I want to pick your mind on science fiction and God.

Non-christian chatbox?

How many atheists does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to actually change the bulb, and the other to videotape the job so fundamentalists won’t claim that god did it.

Reyginus:
Mr Kaze, why are you doing this? You mean Leviticus and Christianity? Deuteronomy and Christianity?

There is no christianity outside the bible.

Reyginus:
But then Spiritists are those who communicate with the dead. You expect the bible to encourage that? I don't see how this contradicts Spirituality. Yes, spiritism is spirituality but religion is also. And in Deuteronomy too it is simply saying that their ways are evil. It's just like you saying that Christian ways shouldn't be followed. It doesn't mean your Ifa lacks Spirituality

This argument of yours lacks what we call logic.

The basic stand of spiritual circle is that there is an existence of a vital principle or force, which is believe animate person. According to their stance, there are dual nature to person. These are the spiritual nature and the physical/material nature. The medium of linking the two nature is what we call spiritualism. A spiritist sees a connected network between the nature and decides to use it for his own growth.

The bible capture a wrongview as spiritulist do not communicate only with the dead. They communicate with animal, plant and even inanimate objects like river, mountain and other natural element. Pls note before you misquote me again, communication here is not verbal or related to human or sign language. Communication here involve mediation, understanding and perceiving of essense, true nature of these things. In the quatum science, this is called observation of vibration/frequency as everything is vibrating and in motion. So we are not completely dead.

In Yoruba spirituality, communication with the dead one is called Egungun. The dead are not really dead but passed on to another realm. Odu Oyeku is the corpus that emphazise on death. And the Yoruba people will rather say "emi oku ti re koja" meaning the breathe spirit of the dead person has transend to the otherside.

In Yoruba spirituality just like other Spiritual circle, we do not believe that the work like going to church or mosque every now or then, paying tithe, or evangelizing or faith of a mortal during a brief lifetime can serve as a basis for assigning a soul to an eternity of Heaven or Hell. We view the afterlife as containing hierarchical "spheres," through which each spirit can progress. The knowledge of God are derieved from bible in the Christian perspective. A spiritualist derieve theirs through personal contacts with spirits.

In Oyeku meji, the flesh is seperated from the breathe (animating or vital principle) and never to meet again. The flesh rot and got destroyed while the spirit pass on to the spiritual realm. This is the basis of Spirituality.

However, Chirtsian and the bible negate the spiritualist ground. The bible according to Job 19:26, And though worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God. This asserts that there would bodily ressurection of dead, and a physical, not merely spiritual, afterlife. This view is self-evidently incompatible with spiritualism.

Christianity at every junction become incompatible with spiritualism. The bible gave a stern warning against Christians from engaging in spiritualism. It is on record that prophets and kings were rebuked for partaking in spiritualism. In the church, it is outrightly forbidden. What I dont understand is why you are hell-bent in an effort to fuse spirituality in religion.



And another fallacy of yours where you said Ifa instruct people not to folllow christian ways. You might have missed where I mentioned these in my previous post:

Spirituality create a world of one. Religion create thousands of world.

Religion is about who is in and who is out. Creating a gap between those in the institution and those outside. Spirituality is about all including plants, animals and inanimate objects.

Now read the words in quote, what do you think they mean?

Ifa just like every spiritual circle does not discourage anyone from partaking in other religion activities. Pastor have in pocession Ifa. Imams do have it. Secularists do have it. There is a popular saying, Ona kan o wo oja. Ifa encourage one to study other religion and gives room for choice. . .

I took a friend from nairaland to a Babalawo. He was told to gba'fa. He feel uneasy with that option because he is a Christian and have a devouted wife who is a christian too. The babalawo told him point blank that Ifa does not stop one from partking in their current religion activities. There is freewill and we dont hide it. Follow your heart.

There is this song in Yoruba:

Oro ile wa la wa nse o (2x)
Esin kan o pe (oh eh)
Esin kan o pe ka wa ma s’oro
Oro ile wa la wa nse o

Translate:

Behold Oro! The ritual of our forebears!
Oro hampers no faith
Let no faith hamper Oro
Behold Oro! The ritual of our forebears!

Religion Tolerance should be learn from Ifa and Spiritualsim. This will bring one world of peace and lovee.

JackBizzle:
So I left and somehow the tempo of this thread died a little. just barely over one page from wednesday afternoon?

Notice how the female trolls calmed down!

Your case and Ishilove na serious mata.

UyiIredia:


Your case and Ishilove na serious mata.

Don't worry....the case is dying.

UyiIredia:


Your case and Ishilove na serious mata.

I gat no case with anybody. Anyone who has issues with me can kiss my black ass


How are you? It's been ages

Ishilove:

I gat no case with anybody. Anyone who has issues with me can kiss my black ass

Choi !

KingEbukasBlog:


Choi !

I always knew you were a tool.

Ishilove:

I gat no case with anybody. Anyone who has issues with me can kiss my black ass


How are you? It's been ages

I'm fine thanks. And I you got a fine fair ass. Just saying.

UyiIredia:


I'm fine thanks. And I you got a fine fair ass. Just saying.

Thanks

UyiIredia:


I'm fine thanks. And I you got a fine fair ass. Just saying.

Some niggas are just desperate!


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KingEbukasBlog:


Choi !

I've seen enough folly for today.

Na to sleep and think of how to valentine.


To spend time with bae or to watch Arsenal vs Leicester.

JackBizzle:





Some niggas are just desperate!


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Yeah yeah. But she's still the one and only artificial yellow pawpaw MOD of NL.

JackBizzle:
I've seen enough folly for today.

Na to sleep and think of how to valentine.


To spend time with bae or to watch Arsenal vs Leicester.

You have 365 days to be romantic to your baby girl in a year . The thrill of Arsenal vs Leicester is just 90 + minutes .. Choose wisely

UyiIredia:


I'm fine thanks. And I you got a fine fair ass. Just saying.

KingEbukasBlog:


You have 365 days to be romantic to your baby girl in a year . The thrill of Arsenal vs Leicester is just 90 + minutes .. Choose wisely

Hmm...

sonOfLucifer:

Hmm...

I hope you dont have the wrong insinuations .

FOLYKAZE:


1. Nuts is prayer. Nuts is called Ikin. . This is divination tools. Babalawo will not ask anyone to fast and pray. Who do you think we should pray to?

The word for prayer is Adura in Yoruba. Babalawo carefully avoid using that word but rather choose "be", that is appeal.

2. Ifa is a personal thing. This is the component of spirituality. Christianinty is an organised, communion issue. That makes Christianity a religion.

The difference here is that Ifa is an individual spiritual system while Christianity is a communion belief system.

Lol. Okay. I'm done. I'm sorry if I wasted your time.

JackBizzle:


Bro, forget that one.
I want to pick your mind on science fiction and God.

Indulge me then.

Saluman:
Non-christian chatbox?

How many atheists does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to actually change the bulb, and the other to videotape the job so fundamentalists won’t claim that god did it.

Sounds nice. What does this mean?

Saluman:
Non-christian chatbox?

How many atheists does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to actually change the bulb, and the other to videotape the job so fundamentalists won’t claim that god did it.

Good one.

Reyginus:
Indulge me then.

Imagine one could go back in time. '

Witness the virgin birth

Or actually find out that Jesus was a hoax.


Or throw Moses down from the mountains before he comes down with the tablets

KingEbukasBlog:


You have 365 days to be romantic to your baby girl in a year . The thrill of Arsenal vs Leicester is just 90 + minutes .. Choose wisely

Choose wisely indeed.


Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned on valentines day

JackBizzle:



Imagine one could go back in time. '

Witness the virgin birth

Or actually find out that Jesus was a hoax.


Or throw Moses down from the mountains before he comes down with the tablets

Lolololol. Thank you for making me laugh this morning.

On a serious note I don't understand the world again myself. It seems nothing is real anymore. The more you try to know the more you are afflicted with the horrors of our collective ignorance. I belief some know the truth but prefer things are the way they are now.

Lately I've been watching the Ancient Aliens on History.com and the more they tell the more it gets more complicated. We pride our ourselves to have invented flying objects but from the writings of the Sumerians, the Ancient Egyptians we could see diagrams of people sitting comfortably in objects resembling flying Saucers.

I think ignorance is bliss in this our world. Sometimes I wish I never tried to know more than I know now. Can knowledge ever be torture? I think it's incomplete knowledge that does the torture.