patches689:


Which, from the picture, is exactly what the Italians are training them in

africaken:
who helped srilanka ? do you remember the last hostage rescue undertaken by algeria,what happened .algeria is still facing an insurgency which is rarely reported http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-30838450

still waiting for my answer

Henry240:



I agree with Rugged7, the Italians are in no position whatsoever to train the Senegalese. The Italians are not particularly good soldiers by the way.


Basic soldiering isn't COIN.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7fgGrRjFzk

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGEOy2tnDU

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxn1_0BMYeA

Henry240:


African COIN operations aren't necessarily CQB, they are mostly FIBUA and long distances. So a CQB training is shouldn't be the core of the training. All African terrorists usually begin attacks hit targets with 14.5mm's from long distances.

africaken:
Friday quiz ,what is this ?

Henry240:


Many countries are carrying out COIN operations, including Algeria, however they've been able to contain the escalation.


The last hostage rescue undertaken by Algeria in the gas plant, was flawless. The terrorist are now fully aware that holding hostages in Algeria is a waste of time.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChoJZgne8AY

Stephandeswardt:
Bouncing Betty. ....

africaken:


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rugged7:
Cameroon loses special forces commander in joint raid with Nigerian troops on Boko Haram in border regions Goshi Yobe state

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-11/cameroon-elite-military-commander-killed-in-boko-haram-clashes

Three UN peacekeepers from Guinea have been killed in a mortar attack on their base in Kidal in northern Mali.
Thirty others were injured in the raid, which involved rockets and a truck bomb.
A local militia that signed a peace deal with the government last year blamed Islamist militants for the attack, Reuters news agency reports.
The UN is trying to restore peace to the north, which was overrun in 2012 by jihadists and ethnic Tuareg groups.
The al-Qaeda-linked insurgents, who fell out with Tuareg separatists, were ousted from northern towns by a French led-force in 2013.

africaken:
how many times have you seen footage of american's,australian's,italian's e.t.c on capture or kill missions having to engage in close quarter combat with insurgents who have barricaded in this mud build compounds in afganistan.even some special op's getting killed,the recent terrorist attack in Burkina faso the leader of the hostage rescue team he was afraid to enter the build because he feared.his team would shot the hostages,prolonging this terror attack for hours even forcing the french to send their special forces

Henry240:


You don't seem to get my point. African terror attacks on Security forces are usually started of at long distances and FIBUA.


CQBs are not common.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YspFe3Kc174

Henry240:


So what are they actually teaching the Senegalese?

-Your video shows the Italians like can shoot, same as the Senegalese


-It shows the can return fire, same as the Senegalese


- It shows, as usual with a NATO forces deployed in Afghanistan,they go calling a gunship to neutralise the threat(s) ( one wonders whether this tactic would work against a country with a proper military), which this time didn't happen, as they again came under fire.


So what are they actually teaching the Senegalese?

Henry240:



I agree with Rugged7, the Italians are in no position whatsoever to train the Senegalese. The Italians are not particularly good soldiers by the way.


Basic soldiering isn't COIN.

Henry240:


African COIN operations aren't necessarily CQB, they are mostly FIBUA and long distances. So a CQB training is shouldn't be the core of the training. All African terrorists usually begin attacks hit targets with 14.5mm's from long distances.

africaken:
how many times have you seen footage of american's,australian's,italian's e.t.c on capture or kill missions having to engage in close quarter combat with insurgents who have barricaded in this mud build compounds in afganistan.even some special op's getting killed,the recent terrorist attack in Burkina faso the leader of the hostage rescue team he was afraid to enter the build because he feared.his team would shot the hostages,prolonging this terror attack for hours even forcing the french to send their special forces

Henry240:


So what are they actually teaching the Senegalese?

-Your video shows the Italians like can shoot, same as the Senegalese


-It shows the can return fire, same as the Senegalese


- It shows, as usual with a NATO forces deployed in Afghanistan,they go calling a gunship to neutralise the threat(s) ( one wonders whether this tactic would work against a country with a proper military), which this time didn't happen, as they again came under fire.


So what are they actually teaching the Senegalese?

Henry240:


You don't seem to get my point. African terror attacks on Security forces are usually started of at long distances and FIBUA.


CQBs are not common.

horlams:

If according to Africom, the aim of flintlock is to gather 'counterterrorism' forces, those basic drill(s) is a waste f time and resources. They are not regular infantry.

africaken:
Define basic drills ? the biggest problem with african male is pride and ego

Henry240:


So what are they actually teaching the Senegalese?

-Your video shows the Italians like can shoot, same as the Senegalese


-It shows the can return fire, same as the Senegalese


- It shows, as usual with a NATO forces deployed in Afghanistan,they go calling a gunship to neutralise the threat(s) ( one wonders whether this tactic would work against a country with a proper military), which this time didn't happen, as they again came under fire.


So what are they actually teaching the Senegalese?

patches689:


They are teaching them basic soldiering drills.

The video shows the Italians can maintain a disciplined and co-ordinated base of fire, pin the enemy and call in support to destroy the enemy. IE: COIN 101

No, that tactic will not work against a country with a proper military they are fighting as light infantry in a fluid situation, they are not defending the Fulda Gap and so they act accordingly.

Henry240:


You don't seem to get my point. African terror attacks on Security forces are usually started of at long distances and FIBUA.


CQBs are not common.

africaken:
Define basic drills ? the biggest problem with african male is pride and ego

africaken:
because your fighting in built-up areas FIBUA ,you won't go house to house clearing every room !

Henry240:


That's not even the point.


You don't start running basic drills in an elite COIN exercise. Every participant at Flintlock is an elite soldier. It is expected that the basic drills have been mastered before coming to do the exercise.


"Are we taking 2 steps backwards for every step forward?".

Henry240:


That's not even the point.


You don't start running basic drills in an elite COIN exercise. Every participant at Flintlock is an elite soldier. It is expected that the basic drills have been mastered before coming to do the exercise.


"Are we taking 2 steps backwards for every step forward?".

Henry240:


Stop making comments like what the Italians did in that video is extraordinary. That's basic fire suppression. Trained soldiers would always react in a similar fashion.

africaken:


basically to you its useless the whole exercise,i can't explain it to you because you seems to think that asymmetrical warfare and conventional warfare are intertwined