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Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:21am On Feb 07, 2016 |
CoolUsername: I was not there so I can make only intellectual inferences 1. The young ones of most animals could have been taken in - they are smaller in size . E.g : young one of an elephant vs an adult elephant 2. Some animals Noah did not take in may have survived the flood . Legends say men eg Tubal Cain survived the flood so animals may have survived too 3. kinds refer to genus , and species come under genus in the taxonomic rank . So 50,000 genus means more animal species were taken into the ark |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by plaetton: 10:28am On Feb 07, 2016 |
analice107: Your questions simply means that you still don't get it. You read, but failed to understand the op. I don't blame you through. Because you have very little idea of what she is talking about. We have a very poor science education in Nigeria, so most Nigerians are scientifically illiterate or semiliterate. Now, if you are sincere in your questions, then go ahead and take time to study the subject. Nairaland religious section might not be the ideal place to start your scientific education. 1 Like |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by CoolUsername: 10:44am On Feb 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: We're already past this, by using genera instead of species, then you can reduce the number of animals to an acceptable 50,000. KingEbukasBlog: Although the bible clearly stated that ALL other things died. I'll let this one slide KingEbukasBlog: What the article states, is that representatives of each 'kind' or 'genus' were taken. If they meant species then they won't have been able to beat the number down. Reread the article that YOU cited. So my argument of the rapid diversification still stands. Consider this, a genus known as the 'even-toed ungulates' we have includes the following animals: the giraffe, antelope, deer, cattle, hippopotamus, llamas, etc. Now, if two (or seven) representatives were taken in by Noah, you're still telling me that in just 4,000 years the giraffe and hippo would evolve from a common ancestor. It's impossible to believe. There's also the small matter of continental drift. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:51am On Feb 07, 2016 |
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Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:01am On Feb 07, 2016 |
CoolUsername: I dont get your point . You are arguing for species and Im arguing for genus . Lesser number of the total number of animals if the genus is considered , same for family (much lesser number of animals) . So my argument of the rapid diversification still stands. Evolve from what ![]() |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by plaetton: 11:08am On Feb 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Actually god does have updates from to time. I think you guys call them prophets. These are people/clowns who from time to time come to update god's operating software. Jesus was not just an update, but a new operating system entirely. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:21am On Feb 07, 2016 |
plaetton: The prophets obtain knowledge of the future from God - prescience - and guide the people in line with God's word . Christ indeed came with an 'update' but he was not an entirely new 'operating system' because he has always existed with God and the Holy Spirit as one . You seem to agree that Christ did exist . Cos I can't deal with proliferation of atheists who constantly deny this clear fact |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by plaetton: 11:28am On Feb 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Christ exists in everyone, if you truly understand what the Christos means. I doubt that you ever would, for as long you are of the Christian religion. However, whether Jesus existed , there is absolutely no proof. |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by biafranbaby(m): 11:28am On Feb 07, 2016 |
SMH |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by CoolUsername: 11:44am On Feb 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I WAS arguing for species until you clarified that you meant genera (genus). KingEbukasBlog: You've argued yourself into a corner. If you truly meant genera then HOW did those animals become the diverse species we have today? If not by evolution the HOW? The bible doesn't say another creation took place, so HOW? EDIT: Grammar. Note to self: Don't type while hungry. |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:51am On Feb 07, 2016 |
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Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by plaetton: 12:12pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Lol @ " archeologists are making AUSPICIOUS efforts to determine the facial appearance of Jesus " . 4 Likes |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by bxcode(m): 12:47pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
An evolutionist exercises so much faith even more than a Christian. Evolution centered on scientific methods is based on observable evidence of change in kind and not mutation as most evolutionist would quickly point to that. But can any evolutionist point to those observable evidences about a change of kind that has ever happened, or that is happening presently, something that i don't have to believe with faith? I guess not. If you believe what professors told you based on archeological evidences and fossils records of what they claimed happened billions of years ago, then you must be relying on faith and not science. Evolution is simply theories and not proven scientific facts. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by Topeakintola: 1:28pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: KingEbuka You are very intelligent God bless you 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:38pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
CoolUsername: Lolz . I was shocked though at the errors ![]() Simple ... because speciation was done during the time of creation . Each species seemed to be fixed. There seemed no way in which one species could give rise to another . You are arguing from the evolution's angle - which says speciation occurs slowly over a long period of time - such has not been observed . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:41pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
plaetton: I dey lie ? Its been successful so far and more positive results are expected so its auspicious We currently have an idea of what Jesus looked like when he was on earth not not the white-looking-hair-flowing one he was purported to be |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by CoolUsername: 5:37pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: My keyboard's keys are messed up, I was hungry. So it was basically a recipe for disaster. Speciation HAS been observed in fruit flies, actually, but it took 20 generations. Anyway, there seems to be some confusion here and I'm don't really get where you're coming from anymore. So let me ask you, how did we move from 50,000 animals representing the genera we have today to 6 million species of animals in 4,000 years? |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:58pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
CoolUsername: Hehehehe ... Speciation HAS been observed in fruit flies, actually, but it took 20 generations. Its a scientific myth . There has been no Fruit fly evolution even after 600 generations ![]() Anyway, there seems to be some confusion here and I'm don't really get where you're coming from anymore. So let me ask you, how did we move from 50,000 animals representing the genera we have today to 6 million species of animals in 4,000 years? Its simple , the vast majority of the 8.7 million species are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark. Noah need make no provision for the 21,000 species of fish or the 1,700 tunicates (marine chordates like sea squirts) found throughout the seas of the world, or the 600 echinoderms including star fish and sea urchins, or the 107,000 mollusks such as mussels, clams and oysters, or the 10,000 coelenterates like corals and sea anemones, jelly fish and hydroids or the 5,000 species of sponges, or the 30,000 protozoans, the microscopic single-celled creatures. The article needs to be updated , there are actually 8.7 million species of animals/fishes/birds |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:04pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
@ CoolUsername . @The_Bible_Geek asked some interesting questions on Twitter on evolution . Can you answer them ? 1.How can evolutionists circumvent the demands of the Hardy-Weinberg law? 2. Isn't it true that the basic axiom of science is one phenomenon, one explanation? 3. If evolution is right, why so many explanations. Darwinism, neo-Darwinism, punctuated equilibrium, symbiogenesis, and neutral mutation wrd? 4 why is Motoo Kimura's theory of neutral mutation with random drift the current favored hypothesis among evolutionists? 5. If there is such a thing as "natural selection", then why are 30 percent of the genes in a genome polymorphic? 6. 99.9% of mutations are deleterious. How can evolution work upstream? 7. Nucleotides and proteins are entirely different molecules. How can evolution explain the concomitant production of one by the other? 8. Organic complex compound caller luciferin. is produced inside its metabolism... How could NS manufacturer such a compound? |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by CoolUsername: 6:19pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I can't believe I have to post this again William R. Rice and George W. Salt found experimental evidence of sympatric speciationin the common fruit fly. They collected apopulation of Drosophila melanogaster from Davis, California and placed the pupae into a habitat maze. Newborn flies had to investigate the maze to find food. The flies had three choices to take in finding food. Light and dark (phototaxis), up and down (geotaxis), and the scent of acetaldehyde and the scent of ethanol (chemotaxis) were the three options. This eventually divided the flies into 42 spatio-temporal habitats. They then cultured two strains that chose opposite habitats. One of the strains emerged early, immediately flying upward in the dark attracted to the acetaldehyde. The other strain emerged late and immediately flew downward, attracted to light and ethanol. Pupae from the two strains were then placed together in the maze and allowed to mate at the food site. They then were collected. A selective penalty was imposed on the female flies that switched habitats. This entailed that none of their gametes would pass on to the next generation. After 25 generations of this mating test, it showed reproductive isolation between the two strains. They repeated the experiment again without creating the penalty against habitat switching and the result was the same; reproductive isolation was produced. KingEbukasBlog: The article used 'kinds' which better equates to genus or family, rather than species. Anyway, your explanation still leaves a lot to be desired. At 8.7 million species, if we subtract the animals that don't need saving (even though we have to ignore what differing salinity does to some of these aquatic animals) We still have about 8.5 million species remaining. Considering that the ark couldn't have accommodated even 1 million that's some damning evidence right there. |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:06pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
CoolUsername:The story you stated above is a mythical BS created by evolutionists . This exact story - word for word - has been copied and pasted on different forums . There has been no observation on speciation - that's a fact . Sorry I didn't reply ASAP |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:07pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: @ CoolUsername ... you didn't answer this ... maybe plaetton could help ![]() |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by jayriginal: 5:47pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: You mean not the "white-looking-hair-flowing one" you believed him to be. For years you people have been told that Jesus couldn't possibly look like that being an Arab (common sense really). You where even pointed in the direction of Cesar Borgia (if I remember the name exactly). Now you want to claim science for the face of Jesus so you can say science proves Jesus, but reject science when it goes against your beliefs. I've read everything you have said here Ebuka and it basically amounts to a man sticking his fingers in his ears and repeating himself ad nauseam. 1 Like |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by dalaman: 6:27pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: This is the problem I have with you guys. You lie all the time even to your selves. 1. The bible does not talk about taking any Young animal. It is just the making of apologist in trying to make sense of clear and ridiculous absurdities. 2. The bible clearly stated that everything that was not inside the ark died, why are you lying to yourself by not accepting what the bible says? 3. Kind does not refer to genus anywhere. It is simply the making of the apologist. |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:31pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
jayriginal: Science does not go against my belief bro , erroneous scientific assumptions do . Let me make this simple : Let's say I press the enter key on my keyboard when typing , the command is performed and the right output was gotten and a friend then insists that I pressed the shift key . And I say "No , No I pressed the enter key " and I repeat the same operation and got the desired output . I know what a shift key does and I know the operation it performs . So no matter what my friend tells me , I will not accept . So if scientific assumptions tell me there's no God then it has to be tossed into the trash can . I can discern between a supernatural and a natural event . So just the way I bluntly dismissed my friend that's the same way I dismiss/repudiate scientific assumptions that go against my belief - in this case my knowledge of God's existence . What's knowledge ? Acquiring/Understanding of Information about a subject . You can acquire information about a subject by experience or education . The experience acquired in life plus the education I get from the Bible and other sources have given me the knowledge of His existence . Its that simple bruv |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:35pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
dalaman: You lie to yourself too . Evolutionists pick up bones and see caves then create imaginary ancestors of animals and attempt to create an establish their lifestyle and you don't seem to have any problem with it . Try googling "why are women weak evolution " , a pop-corn by your side off course as you read through |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by dalaman: 7:11pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Will you keep quiet? Where have you ever seen me arguing in favor of evolution? I just hate the lies you spew all the time. You claim the bible is the word of God but are always quick to throw it away, ad things to it or deny what it says all in your quest to explain it's absurdities. |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:36pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
dalaman: You dont refute evolution when its been addressed by a fellow atheist . You do not denigrate the theory and you always objurgate Christians whenever we explain or try to dispel misconceptions you guys have . I'm trying to explain to CoolUsername how possibly a myriad of species of animals were accommodated in the Ark and you just came in and described a biblical event as an absurdity . Stay classy man , stay classy . Your rants will not change the FACT that the Flood took place |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by unphilaz(m): 9:02pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
analice107: Add this also - Over many, many generations this process slowly creates new species - members of a population become so far removed genetically, that they can no longer reproduce with one another. when was the last recorded reproduction between man and whatever in biology that "become so far removed genetically that man and the "thing" can no longer reproduce with the other "thing" and what is THAT "thing"? |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by dalaman: 9:07pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: You are not explaining anything to him. You are just lying because the explanation you are putting forth goes against what the bible has stated, the bible clearly said only those in the ark survived, while you are saying that some animals might have survived. The flood only happened in the pages of the bible not in reality. 1 Like |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by unphilaz(m): 9:09pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: This fruitflies and bacteria, since their life span is very low so that evolution can be observed. My question is how can such organism be used to relate to man which is on a completely different rational reasoning and biologically different level from this things... |
Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:12pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
dalaman:Dalaman . I clearly said : KingEbukasBlog: The flood only happened in the pages of the bible not in reality. Gravitational waves once occurred on the pages of Einstein's research notebook |
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