Ishilove:

Ha! I am not the queen of NL o. Abeg lemme be queen of international repute, not local champion queen.

Na lie joor, the Ishilove wey I don dey NL since 2009, even google knows you are the most mention on NL after Lalasticlala
hence you have make a name among the MODS

Ishilove whats the meaning of that self?

GoodMuyis:


Na lie joor, the Ishilove wey I don dey NL since 2009, even google knows you are the most mention on NL after Lalasticlala
hence you have make a name among the MODS

Ishilove whats the meaning of that self?

Abeg o, dat na local championship level

Ishilove is the nick my old classmates gave me.

Happy val bae

Ishilove:
Abeg o, dat na local championship level
Ishilove is the nick my old classmates gave me.

Ltns

Ishilove:

Abeg o, dat na local championship level

Ishilove is the nick my old classmates gave me.

temi4fash:


What wrong with his way of deliverance?

my brother, everything is wrong with it. D pastor obviously knows next to nothing about deliverance that is wat happens when people are too lazy to study their bible on specific subject of key interest. I wonder on wat basis he became a pastor. D role of pastor is to Shepherd and he will b confronted with cases where he needs to deal with demons from time to time.

GoodMuyis:

I will be happy to read it.
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Please what advice can I give as i dont wanted to get involve in this matter. There is little girl of age less than 9yrs in my church she look innocent but that may not be the case. Last month she told me she will be celebrating her birthday and she is expecting gift from me and I did promise her something but not specific. Three days after her birthday, that fell on a service day and she ask of the gift I promised her, but I dont anything to give as at then, but there is a Medium size Bible I just bought and something within urge me to give her that New Bible i feel so much reluctant, it took me more than 5mins to think over it at last I let it go, infact the girl was happy to received, both her and her mother continue to thank me for the next three days.

Last week Sunday during service she asked me for N5 for Water I gave N10 because I had no change, it was later I got to know that she did not buy the water but something else, which means she lie about the water, I called her and corrected her not to lie again etc... meanwhile I thought she was such a gentle girl. But some days back when i was walking round the church, I saw her with two other kids sitting in a place not too dark but no light bulb there, something prompt me to ask what they were doing but I ignore and I assume they can be doing any funny thing in such a place. Also last year I caught this same girl and others in the children church playing with something but as soon as they noting movement of somebody they hide it and i knew, that throw suspicions, and I demand that they bring out whatever they are hiding, after sometime they bring it out, it was a dull and this girl had sew a cloth for it, BUT WHY HIDING IT, SUCH A CREATIVITY?

This Morning, A sister, My youth leader call my attention to what the mother of the girl in question complained about her, (definitely expecting me to join my prayer with them).
1) She cant rebuke the girl, else she will bet wet that day (an adult)
2) The Girl can decide to go out until the mother will start looking for her at late hour
3) The can decide to scatter the room for no reason

According to the sister, mother said she had tried many deliverance church, even including MFM and others, it was along the process, the problem get more intense. How can i advice the Mother, on how to direct her prayers, AT LEAST for her to be cover from attack as the case (1) above, because am doubting if the mother will have confidence again to pray in her room.

As per the mother spiritual life she has a good conviction, if fact she separated from her husband because of restitution, she committed as well, thats all I know about her.

Am not into deliverance stuff so I dont want to get involve, also I have my own am dealing with, I may share it one day

CC: CharlyG1, oyeludef, analice107, nnamdiosu,

vooks where art thou, your monoker sound like you have run away voooooooooooooks

well bro....
to be frank with you , apart from the issue of the mummy bedwetting (which doesnt really mean it's the little girl doing it), i think the other issues, (scattering the room, going out to play) etc are just typical of little spoilt children who lack a fatherly care most times. except there are some other mysterious things the little girl does that u might explain to us for us to understand the situation better. also that they decided to hang out in a not too bright place too doesnt mean she is possessed. kids could be weird most times naturally.
however if u throw more light into the case...we might be able to spiritually and prayerfully diagnose. God bless u sir

GoodMuyis:

I will be happy to read it.
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Please what advice can I give as i dont wanted to get involve in this matter. There is little girl of age less than 9yrs in my church she look innocent but that may not be the case. Last month she told me she will be celebrating her birthday and she is expecting gift from me and I did promise her something but not specific. Three days after her birthday, that fell on a service day and she ask of the gift I promised her, but I dont anything to give as at then, but there is a Medium size Bible I just bought and something within urge me to give her that New Bible i feel so much reluctant, it took me more than 5mins to think over it at last I let it go, infact the girl was happy to received, both her and her mother continue to thank me for the next three days.

Last week Sunday during service she asked me for N5 for Water I gave N10 because I had no change, it was later I got to know that she did not buy the water but something else, which means she lie about the water, I called her and corrected her not to lie again etc... meanwhile I thought she was such a gentle girl. But some days back when i was walking round the church, I saw her with two other kids sitting in a place not too dark but no light bulb there, something prompt me to ask what they were doing but I ignore and I assume they can be doing any funny thing in such a place. Also last year I caught this same girl and others in the children church playing with something but as soon as they noting movement of somebody they hide it and i knew, that throw suspicions, and I demand that they bring out whatever they are hiding, after sometime they bring it out, it was a dull and this girl had sew a cloth for it, BUT WHY HIDING IT, SUCH A CREATIVITY?

This Morning, A sister, My youth leader call my attention to what the mother of the girl in question complained about her, (definitely expecting me to join my prayer with them).
1) She cant rebuke the girl, else she will bet wet that day (an adult)
2) The Girl can decide to go out until the mother will start looking for her at late hour
3) The can decide to scatter the room for no reason

According to the sister, mother said she had tried many deliverance church, even including MFM and others, it was along the process, the problem get more intense. How can i advice the Mother, on how to direct her prayers, AT LEAST for her to be cover from attack as the case (1) above, because am doubting if the mother will have confidence again to pray in her room.

As per the mother spiritual life she has a good conviction, if fact she separated from her husband because of restitution, she committed as well, thats all I know about her.

Am not into deliverance stuff so I dont want to get involve, also I have my own am dealing with, I may share it one day

CC: CharlyG1, oyeludef, analice107, nnamdiosu,

vooks where art thou, your monoker sound like you have run away voooooooooooooks

I share nnamdiosu's line of thought. The deliverance thing can be hyped excessively atimes and if the girl be taken from Mountain of Fire to Mount Everest, her human spirit can't be casted out.
Bro,I do not see anything out of ordinary from what you related here about this girl and the Woman's bedwetting maybe psychological or she herself needed deliverance. It is important to do a thorough investigation and ask for God's leading on the matter instead of labeling the girl, if there is something never to be made when ministering deliverance is jumping into conclusions.
Furthermore, as God has led you to give the girl a bible, He is perhaps asking you to mentor her in the things of Him, take her case up as a God given project, sit down with her, witness Christ to her, give her assignments from the bible, ask about her day and school etc, children from broken homes have lots of traumatic issues to deal with than what many of us adults can understand. Because of their relative innocence, demons leave children quicker and they are easier to minister to.

Finally, do give updates about her and we can share useful insights as God uses you to help the destiny of the girl and sir, tell her mother to seek counseling and deliverance!!, if she can be attacked to bedwet, her Christian and spiritual life get as e be ooo

fischer77:


Yes dear brother. I do not think it's scripturally right to engage a demon in a conversation and ask silly question like "what's your name, how long have you been been in this body, tell me your mission"? And very very wrong to cast out a demon in the name of a man of God.
Isn't the God of the man of God your God?

The part of engaging a demon in a conversation Jesus did that when he wanted to cast the man with legion in him in luke 8, he asked what was his name. Now in another part when he casted out a demon he didn't bother to ask questions he just casted out the demon.

Now to the part of casting out a demon in the name of a man of God that I can't say.. But praying in the name of a man of God can be gotten from the Bible. If you read the book of Genesis up to exodus ypu would see whre God himself appeared to Moses and told him I am the the God of your father Abraham, God of Jacob and the likes in Exodus 3 and so many other passages like that even in the new testament.. That been said..

When you look at first kings when Elisha got the mantle from Elijah and he wanted to path the waters he said "Where is the Lord God Of Elijah and he smote the waters and the Bible says the water parted". So which means the there is a God of Elijah.

So if some one prays in the name of a verified and acknowledged man of God I don't believe they aphave committed any wrong..

Cc. Superior1, oyeludef, analice et al..

Would really to hear your comment about these...

GoodMuyis:

I will be happy to read it.
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Please what advice can I give as i dont wanted to get involve in this matter. There is little girl of age less than 9yrs in my church she look innocent but that may not be the case. Last month she told me she will be celebrating her birthday and she is expecting gift from me and I did promise her something but not specific. Three days after her birthday, that fell on a service day and she ask of the gift I promised her, but I dont anything to give as at then, but there is a Medium size Bible I just bought and something within urge me to give her that New Bible i feel so much reluctant, it took me more than 5mins to think over it at last I let it go, infact the girl was happy to received, both her and her mother continue to thank me for the next three days.

Last week Sunday during service she asked me for N5 for Water I gave N10 because I had no change, it was later I got to know that she did not buy the water but something else, which means she lie about the water, I called her and corrected her not to lie again etc... meanwhile I thought she was such a gentle girl. But some days back when i was walking round the church, I saw her with two other kids sitting in a place not too dark but no light bulb there, something prompt me to ask what they were doing but I ignore and I assume they can be doing any funny thing in such a place. Also last year I caught this same girl and others in the children church playing with something but as soon as they noting movement of somebody they hide it and i knew, that throw suspicions, and I demand that they bring out whatever they are hiding, after sometime they bring it out, it was a dull and this girl had sew a cloth for it, BUT WHY HIDING IT, SUCH A CREATIVITY?

This Morning, A sister, My youth leader call my attention to what the mother of the girl in question complained about her, (definitely expecting me to join my prayer with them).
1) She cant rebuke the girl, else she will bet wet that day (an adult)
2) The Girl can decide to go out until the mother will start looking for her at late hour
3) The can decide to scatter the room for no reason

According to the sister, mother said she had tried many deliverance church, even including MFM and others, it was along the process, the problem get more intense. How can i advice the Mother, on how to direct her prayers, AT LEAST for her to be cover from attack as the case (1) above, because am doubting if the mother will have confidence again to pray in her room.

As per the mother spiritual life she has a good conviction, if fact she separated from her husband because of restitution, she committed as well, thats all I know about her.

Am not into deliverance stuff so I dont want to get involve, also[b] I have my own am dealing with[/b], I may share it one day

CC: CharlyG1, oyeludef, analice107, nnamdiosu,

vooks where art thou, your monoker sound like you have run away voooooooooooooks

Bros,

There is a part of the bible in Ecc that says all rivers flows in to the sea but its ia never filled.

What am I trying to say is, there is never a time we don't have battles to fight but when we are led to help pple. We should despite our challenges.

Might be spiritual and might not.. The little might just need counselling, can be a lot of things but counselling,careful observation and waiting upon the lord for direction could do the trick.

nnamdiosu and superior1 thanks for your contribution

I will see hot to send the message to her through my Youth Leader

I agree with what my brothers have said already.
But Sir Superior. I have been a teacher and I have taught that age range. Girls of Nine don't play with dolls. They have this false sense of maturity that if you buy them dolls, they tell you they are grown ups and don't play with Dolls.
I feel pressed with the way she was acting about that Doll. An innocent child playing with Doll, doesn't have any reason to hide it when someone approaches. It's like saying, boys playing with a Ball hides it when an adult approaches, WHY? There's something sinister about that Doll.

Brother Good, again I will say what they have said, monitor that child.
BUT, becareful to make your stand clear. Girls that age gets crushes for men older than them easily. If she has a crush on you, she may misunderstand your role in her life, and mistake it for affection.
Pls, becareful. I don't know why I feel strongly about that girl having a crush on you.
This girl's age is very delicate.
I have taught rich kids. Top Policticians in the state. Their kids are so spoilt, I fear for the next generation if these kids grow like that and take over from their parents.
These children relive what they see on Disney world. Most of their time is spent watching what girls their age or a little older do, so they feel it's okay to indulge. They want to experiment.

Having a crush is so easy with them. And they start discovering their Sexually at this age.
Before you start any discussion with that kid, ask her to do the opening prayer. And keep the discussion strictly word based. Whatever you want to talk about, have a Word to cover it.
No irrelevant talks. Be the big brother. If it's a crush, you'll see her withdrawing from you after now, but if it's just natural closeness, she will come around more. Either way, do the work of God in her life and leave.

Let me share this Here.
Some years back, my Provincial Pastor then, he got posted to us, and a widow went to him for house rent assistance, he had an empty BQ, so assisted them with it. He tried to come in where the father figure was missing, he gave out the BQ in his quarters. He tried to be there for this mother and her teenage daughter, took over her schooling. He tried to help out in a way he could.

Once in a while he wld call the girl and ask how she was doing and what was going on her life. Just trying to be a father she never had.
The girl misunderstood the whole thing and told her mum that she didn't understand why the Pastor was always asking her stupid questions about her life. (spoilt child, no training, no manners, nothing) Her mum, instead of handling the matter like a mature lady, complained to someone else, that the pastor wanted to take advantage of them because he was their benefactor. The one she complained to, reported to the Church Board. A little matter became a big problem.
If the pastor wanted something like that, why bring her and her daughter to live with him and his wife and kids? Why not rent an apartment somewhere else for them? The woman didn't consider that.
Before you say Jack, Trust Winners Members, Petitions started flying to the head quarters. See how this Pastor was humiliated. The church Board surmount him and demanded to know his relationship with the little girl. The pastor explained and explained. The girl was called, she told the church board that the pastor was asking her out. She said she knows that sometimes men don't come out straight to ask women out. And that the pastor was using tack to enter into her.
Thank God for the Bishop who allowed the Holy Spirit to prevail. When thorough investigation was carried out, the whole truth came out. It was discovered that the assistant pastor was indeed behind the whole thing. But before then, the pastor's name had been muddled in the mud.
Satan is trickish. Pls Watch.

GoodMuyis:

I will be happy to read it.
--
Please what advice can I give as i dont wanted to get involve in this matter. There is little girl of age less than 9yrs in my church she look innocent but that may not be the case. Last month she told me she will be celebrating her birthday and she is expecting gift from me and I did promise her something but not specific. Three days after her birthday, that fell on a service day and she ask of the gift I promised her, but I dont anything to give as at then, but there is a Medium size Bible I just bought and something within urge me to give her that New Bible i feel so much reluctant, it took me more than 5mins to think over it at last I let it go, infact the girl was happy to received, both her and her mother continue to thank me for the next three days.

Last week Sunday during service she asked me for N5 for Water I gave N10 because I had no change, it was later I got to know that she did not buy the water but something else, which means she lie about the water, I called her and corrected her not to lie again etc... meanwhile I thought she was such a gentle girl. But some days back when i was walking round the church, I saw her with two other kids sitting in a place not too dark but no light bulb there, something prompt me to ask what they were doing but I ignore and I assume they can be doing any funny thing in such a place. Also last year I caught this same girl and others in the children church playing with something but as soon as they noting movement of somebody they hide it and i knew, that throw suspicions, and I demand that they bring out whatever they are hiding, after sometime they bring it out, it was a dull and this girl had sew a cloth for it, BUT WHY HIDING IT, SUCH A CREATIVITY?

This Morning, A sister, My youth leader call my attention to what the mother of the girl in question complained about her, (definitely expecting me to join my prayer with them).
1) She cant rebuke the girl, else she will bet wet that day (an adult)
2) The Girl can decide to go out until the mother will start looking for her at late hour
3) The can decide to scatter the room for no reason

According to the sister, mother said she had tried many deliverance church, even including MFM and others, it was along the process, the problem get more intense. How can i advice the Mother, on how to direct her prayers, AT LEAST for her to be cover from attack as the case (1) above, because am doubting if the mother will have confidence again to pray in her room.

As per the mother spiritual life she has a good conviction, if fact she separated from her husband because of restitution, she committed as well, thats all I know about her.

Am not into deliverance stuff so I dont want to get involve, also I have my own am dealing with, I may share it one day

CC: CharlyG1, oyeludef, analice107, nnamdiosu,



vooks where art thou, your monoker sound like you have run away voooooooooooooks

Hello Dear,

Nnamdiosu spoke my heart.. All these occurrences are not enough to assume the child is possessed. If you can shed more light on it, then we might be able to give you some good advice.

Let me add this..

For now I don't think you should do anything at all. You even have to be careful because you may not yet have a full grasp of this whole thing..
The girl's mom keeps coming to my mind, I don't know why.


My best advice to you for now is to stay away a bit from them. Go to God in prayers, He may reveal something to you.

And tell the mother of the girl to see the head pastor of your church.


God bless you.

temi4fash:


The part of engaging a demon in a conversation Jesus did that when he wanted to cast the man with legion in him in luke 8, he asked what was his name. Now in another part when he casted out a demon he didn't bother to ask questions he just casted out the demon.

Now to the part of casting out a demon in the name of a man of God that I can't say.. But praying in the name of a man of God can be gotten from the Bible. If you read the book of Genesis up to exodus ypu would see whre God himself appeared to Moses and told him I am the the God of your father Abraham, God of Jacob and the likes in Exodus 3 and so many other passages like that even in the new testament.. That been said..

When you look at first kings when Elisha got the mantle from Elijah and he wanted to path the waters he said "Where is the Lord God Of Elijah and he smote the waters and the Bible says the water parted". So which means the there is a God of Elijah.

So if some one prays in the name of a verified and acknowledged man of God I don't believe they aphave committed any wrong..

Cc. Superior1, oyeludef, analice et al..

Would really to hear your comment about these...

Brother you're right Jesus asked for the name of the demon(s), according to the passage you mentioned, that wasn't the first time Jesus had already cast out the demon from the same man. [See verse 29] So in my little understanding I believe Jesus asked because he knew it wasn't same demon he cast out of him. So he asked "what is your name"? And it replied Legion (for he was filled with many demons). I also believe the demon wasn't honest for it didn't give an exact name and only referred to its quantity, like say a herd of cattle. [pls note; just what I understand from the passage]
However what puzzled me is what followed after, why would Jesus grant the demon's wish? (verse 30). Pleading not to be sent to bottomless pit. Oyeludef, superior1, analice107, charlyg1 please enlighten me.

Also using the name of the God of a prophet is ancient like the old testament. I believe Jesus came to redeem us and gave us authority as in Luke 10 vs 19. The Bible says in the name of Jesus every knee must bow and every tongue confess. Not in the name of God or in the name of God of Paul, Silas or Peter.
Jesus redeemed us and only with his name have we been given authority and we are allowed to exercise such authority with his name only.
This I am very sure and will not ask anyone here to enlighten me but I'm open to corrections if I'm wrong and please make references to the Bible when correcting me.

May God give us knowledge in his word in Jesus name. Amen

temi4fash:




So if some one prays in the name of a verified and acknowledged man of God I don't believe they aphave committed any wrong..



.

Bro that's the main problem.....HOW CAN YOU BE SOOOOO SURE THAT AS OF THAT TIME, THE MAN OF GOD IS VERIFIED?lISTEN SIR LET ME TELL YOU ONE SECRET, EXCEPT GOD HIMSELF HAVE REVEALED SPECIFICALLY TO YOU THAT ONE IS SERVING HIM, YOU CAN'T VOUCH FOR ANY HUMAN BEING (INCLUDING ME WRITING THIS POST)
bro let me tell you one mystery in the bible. are you aware that judas iscariot was given power by Jesus Christ to be cast out devils, heal the sick e.t.c along with the other 12? now while he was doing all this miraculous good works, the bible says he was a thief, all along, stealing from the treasury. now, no one knew about that but Jesus himself 'YET JESUS NEVER SAID ANYTHING' BUT JUDAS WAS STILL PARADING HIMSELF AS A DISCIPLE OF JESUS (AND TRULY HE WAS A DISCIPLE, YET........). the point i'm trying to make is salvation is a personal race.I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY PASTOR IS DOING AS I'M TYPING THIS POST. HE ALSO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING TOO. ONCE SAVED ISN'T ALWAYS SAVED. many people that we assume are serving God , MIGHT not be serving him. bottom line, if i believe i'm serving God when i want to pray, i pray in the name of Jesus, not in the name of any man of God. Because as at that moment... THE GOD I SERVE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM THE GOD THE 'MAN OF GOD SERVES'. God helps us understand more

GoodMuyis:
nnamdiosu and superior1 thanks for your contribution

I will see hot to send the message to her through my Youth Leader

God bless you for your humility, love and open mindness to recieve from us. i perceive a great man of God in you. God will glorify himself in your life ijn. amen

fischer77:


Brother you're right Jesus asked for the name of the demon(s), according to the passage you mentioned, that wasn't the first time Jesus had already cast out the demon from the same man. [See verse 29] So in my little understanding I believe Jesus asked because he knew it wasn't same demon he cast out of him. So he asked "what is your name"? And it replied Legion (for he was filled with many demons). I also believe the demon wasn't honest for it didn't give an exact name and only referred to its quantity, like say a herd of cattle. [pls note; just what I understand from the passage]
However what puzzled me is what followed after, why would Jesus grant the demon's wish? (verse 30). Pleading not to be sent to bottomless pit. Oyeludef, superior1, analice107, charlyg1 please enlighten me.

Also using the name of the God of a prophet is ancient like the old testament. I believe Jesus came to redeem us and gave us authority as in Luke 10 vs 19. The Bible says in the name of Jesus every knee must bow and every tongue confess. Not in the name of God or in the name of God of Paul, Silas or Peter.
Jesus redeemed us and only with his name have we been given authority and we are allowed to exercise such authority with his name only.
This I am very sure and will not ask anyone here to enlighten me but I'm open to corrections if I'm wrong and please make references to the Bible when correcting me.

May God give us knowledge in his word in Jesus name. Amen

bro God really open your eyes to a great mystery in the bible. i myself always asked y? If you mediated deeply, you will notice that this was the only place in the bible that jesus had this sort of conversation in the bible with a demon(s). up to even granting a request with the demon. Nevertheless as much as possible, christains (except when led by the spirit) should undertake to be interviewing demons or chatting with them. demons misled, lie and are cunning. talk with the holy spirit instead to reveal things to you, talk with the candidate before the deliverance to extract information, then look out for signs of manifestation in the person to detect the kind of demon/spirit. God knows best .thats all we can just say. God help all deliverance ministers world wide. they and our missionaries/evengelist are the infantry's in God human army. God bless you reading this too. amen

nnamdiosu:


Bro that's the main problem.....HOW CAN YOU BE SOOOOO SURE THAT AS OF THAT TIME, THE MAN OF GOD IS VERIFIED?lISTEN SIR LET ME TELL YOU ONE SECRET, EXCEPT GOD HIMSELF HAVE REVEALED SPECIFICALLY TO YOU THAT ONE IS SERVING HIM, YOU CAN'T VOUCH FOR ANY HUMAN BEING (INCLUDING ME WRITING THIS POST)
bro let me tell you one mystery in the bible. are you aware that judas iscariot was given power by Jesus Christ to be cast out devils, heal the sick e.t.c along with the other 12? now while he was doing all this miraculous good works, the bible says he was a thief, all along, stealing from the treasury. now, no one knew about that but Jesus himself 'YET JESUS NEVER SAID ANYTHING' BUT JUDAS WAS STILL PARADING HIMSELF AS A DISCIPLE OF JESUS (AND TRULY HE WAS A DISCIPLE, YET........). the point i'm trying to make is salvation is a personal race.I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY PASTOR IS DOING AS I'M TYPING THIS POST. HE ALSO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING TOO. ONCE SAVED ISN'T ALWAYS SAVED. many people that we assume are serving God , MIGHT not be serving him. bottom line, if i believe i'm serving God when i want to pray, i pray in the name of Jesus, not in the name of any man of God. Because as at that moment... THE GOD I SERVE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM THE GOD THE 'MAN OF GOD SERVES'. God helps us understand more

Accepted...

God bless you sir..

Thanks for the exposition.

But from your assertion its safe for me to say that when your sure of the God the man is serving you pray with that. Like..

O God of Elijah...

Thanks again for that.

God bless.

fischer77:


Brother you're right Jesus asked for the name of the demon(s), according to the passage you mentioned, that wasn't the first time Jesus had already cast out the demon from the same man. [See verse 29] So in my little understanding I believe Jesus asked because he knew it wasn't same demon he cast out of him. So he asked "what is your name"? And it replied Legion (for he was filled with many demons). I also believe the demon wasn't honest for it didn't give an exact name and only referred to its quantity, like say a herd of cattle. [pls note; just what I understand from the passage]
However what puzzled me is what followed after, why would Jesus grant the demon's wish? (verse 30). Pleading not to be sent to bottomless pit. Oyeludef, superior1, analice107, charlyg1 please enlighten me.

Also using the name of the God of a prophet is ancient like the old testament. I believe Jesus came to redeem us and gave us authority as in Luke 10 vs 19. The Bible says in the name of Jesus every knee must bow and every tongue confess. Not in the name of God or in the name of God of Paul, Silas or Peter.
Jesus redeemed us and only with his name have we been given authority and we are allowed to exercise such authority with his name only.
This I am very sure and will not ask anyone here to enlighten me but I'm open to corrections if I'm wrong and please make references to the Bible when correcting me.

May God give us knowledge in his word in Jesus name. Amen

To me, the reason Jesus consented to the pleading of the demons is this. The demons haven been in heaven before knew how authority worked. They knew that, God had prepared hellfire for them, and a time frame was also fixed as to when that will be effective. They know that while hover host they were I habiting was temporal, they know their destination and how horrible it is down there. They also know that the Name of God is the final authority. So the demon who spoke up quickly ran to that defends knowing Christ will obey the injunction put by God.
It wasn't indeed time for the demons to go to Hades, but Jesus old have sent them there all the same, but to avoid going, he took that position.
It's like using God's law against God. Satan is crafty. When I see or hear this ignorant people who call themselves pastors or prophets and how they carry on about Satan, I just feel sorry for them. Most of them don't have a clue.
Satan has been around, aside from his own wisdom and intelligence which God gave to him, he has been around as long as the earth has endured. What trick does he not Know? What information about humanity is a secret to Satan?
Just see how he quickly he played a very fast one on Jesus. Putting Christ in one corner and kept Jesus from sending him to Hades.

nnamdiosu:


bro God really open your eyes to a great mystery in the bible. i myself always asked y? If you mediated deeply, you will notice that this was the only place in the bible that jesus had this sort of conversation in the bible with a demon(s). up to even granting a request with the demon. Nevertheless as much as possible, christains (except when led by the spirit) should undertake to be interviewing demons or chatting with them. demons misled, lie and are cunning. talk with the holy spirit instead to reveal things to you, talk with the candidate before the deliverance to extract information, then look out for signs of manifestation in the person to detect the kind of demon/spirit. God knows best .thats all we can just say. God help all deliverance ministers world wide. they and our missionaries/evengelist are the infantry's in God human army. God bless you reading this too. amen

God bless you sir...

Exactly my point, that there is no exact prescription in casting out demons to the best of my knowledge. Just the name of Jesus is more than enough do so.. but I believe all other activities during the cos of deliverance is just additional.

From what we were taught in church, No two deliverance cases is the same and you rely solely on tye holy spirit on the way to go...

You can please correct if am wrong...

God bless you again

temi4fash:


Accepted...

God bless you sir..

Thanks for the exposition.

But from your assertion its safe for me to say that when your sure of the God the man is serving you pray with that. Like..

O God of Elijah...

Thanks again for that.

God bless.

yes sir. when you're sure is ok. although i'll still advise i can pray to God directly. it's not until i say...the God of...so and so. all i have to say to access God is in the name of Jesus and immediately my prayers are answered. citing the God of any man of God is not a criteria for God to answer such a prayer, ONLY THE NAME OF JESUS IS. God bless u for your humility to accept and give you wisdom and understanding and sound discretion ijn.amen

fischer77:


Brother you're right Jesus asked for the name of the demon(s), according to the passage you mentioned, that wasn't the first time Jesus had already cast out the demon from the same man. [See verse 29] So in my little understanding I believe Jesus asked because he knew it wasn't same demon he cast out of him. So he asked "what is your name"? And it replied Legion (for he was filled with many demons). I also believe the demon wasn't honest for it didn't give an exact name and only referred to its quantity, like say a herd of cattle. [pls note; just what I understand from the passage]
However what puzzled me is what followed after, why would Jesus grant the demon's wish? (verse 30). Pleading not to be sent to bottomless pit. Oyeludef, superior1, analice107, charlyg1 please enlighten me.

Also using the name of the God of a prophet is ancient like the old testament. I believe Jesus came to redeem us and gave us authority as in Luke 10 vs 19. The Bible says in the name of Jesus every knee must bow and every tongue confess. Not in the name of God or in the name of God of Paul, Silas or Peter.
Jesus redeemed us and only with his name have we been given authority and we are allowed to exercise such authority with his name only.
This I am very sure and will not ask anyone here to enlighten me but I'm open to corrections if I'm wrong and please make references to the Bible when correcting me.

May God give us knowledge in his word in Jesus name. Amen

Amen and amen

Yes boss you are very correct.

There is a difference btw praying to a God of a prophet and praying in the name of the God of a prophet.

Jesus aa you have said is the name given to us.

God bless you brother.

nnamdiosu:


yes sir. when you're sure is ok. although i'll still advise i can pray to God directly. it's not until i say...the God of...so and so. all i have to say to access God is in the name of Jesus and immediately my prayers are answered. citing the God of any man of God is not a criteria for God to answer such a prayer, ONLY THE NAME OF JESUS IS. God bless u for your humility to accept and give you wisdom and understanding and sound discretion ijn.amen

Yes sir..

Fischer last reply was great I must say and acknowledge..

Same with thes.. you guys said same thing and I realised you are very correct.

More anointing, grace and wisdom

God bless you for your time

temi4fash:


God bless you sir...

Exactly my point, that there is no exact prescription in casting out demons to the best of my knowledge. Just the name of Jesus is more than enough do so.. but I believe all other activities during the cos of deliverance is just additional.

From what we were taught in church, No two deliverance cases is the same and you rely solely on tye holy spirit on the way to go...

You can please correct if am wrong...

God bless you again

to the best of my little knowledge sir, you're very correct.

A man went to God and asked, "What's the value of life?"

God gave him one stone and said, "Find out the value of this stone, but don't sell it."

The man took the stone to an Orange Seller and asked him what it's cost would be.

The Orange Seller saw the shiny stone and said, "You can take 12 oranges and give me the stone."

The man apologized and said that God has asked him not to sell it.

He went ahead and found a vegetable seller. "What could be the value of this stone?" he asked the vegetable seller. The seller saw the shiny stone and said, "Take one sack of potatoes and give me the stone."

The man again apologized and said he can't sell it.

Further ahead, he went into a jewellery shop and asked the value of the stone.

The jeweler saw the stone under a lens and said, "I'll give you 50 Lakhs for this stone." When the man shook his head, the jeweler said, "Alright, alright, take 2 crores, but give me the stone."

The man explained that he can't sell the stone. Further ahead, the man saw a precious stone's shop and asked the seller the value of this stone.

When the precious stone's seller saw the big ruby, he lay down a red cloth and put the ruby on it. Then he walked in circles around the ruby and bent down and touched his head in front of the ruby.

"From where did you bring this priceless ruby from?" he asked. "Even if I sell the whole world, and my life, I won't be able to purchase this priceless stone.

Stunned and confused, the man returned to the God and told him what had happened. "Now tell me what is the value of life, God?

God said, "The answers you got from the Orange Seller, the Vegetable Seller, the Jeweler & the Precious Stone's Seller explain the value of our life... You may be a precious stone, even priceless, but people may value you based on their level of information, their belief in you, their motive behind entertaining you, their ambition, and their risk taking ability. But don't fear, you will surely find someone who will discern your true value."

In the eyes of God you are very very precious. Respect yourself. You are Unique. No one can Replace you!

Today is my birthday.

I may not have archived what I should materially, (from man's perspective of course), But I have life. And my life is much more valuable to me than any material thing on earth.
For me to acquire anything in this world, I will need to be alive first. And that, God has blessed me with and for this I THANK HIM.
The gift of my life is precious.
The two very dear friends who ran to my hospital bed immidiately they heard about my accident, are both dead today. Everyday, I wish Patrick could take my place and live instead. A great person such as him, shouldn't just die as he did.
And what about MaryJoe? O my God. While I was down, on a Christmas day, she sent food across two states to get to where I was, not as though I didn't have what to eat, but to show how much she cared. If she were alive today, she wld do everything to celebrate this day. But God allowed such a good person to pass. What can I say Lord? Thank You.
I don't know why good people such as this shd pass and am still here.
Whatever it is, let your Will concerning my life be fulfilled Lord.
Thank you for Life and Health.

fischer77:


Brother you're right Jesus asked for the name of the demon(s), according to the passage you mentioned, that wasn't the first time Jesus had already cast out the demon from the same man. [See verse 29] So in my little understanding I believe Jesus asked because he knew it wasn't same demon he cast out of him. So he asked "what is your name"? And it replied Legion (for he was filled with many demons). I also believe the demon wasn't honest for it didn't give an exact name and only referred to its quantity, like say a herd of cattle. [pls note; just what I understand from the passage]
However what puzzled me is what followed after, why would Jesus grant the demon's wish? (verse 30). Pleading not to be sent to bottomless pit. Oyeludef, superior1, analice107, charlyg1 please enlighten me.

Also using the name of the God of a prophet is ancient like the old testament. I believe Jesus came to redeem us and gave us authority as in Luke 10 vs 19. The Bible says in the name of Jesus every knee must bow and every tongue confess. Not in the name of God or in the name of God of Paul, Silas or Peter.
Jesus redeemed us and only with his name have we been given authority and we are allowed to exercise such authority with his name only.
This I am very sure and will not ask anyone here to enlighten me but I'm open to corrections if I'm wrong and please make references to the Bible when correcting me.

May God give us knowledge in his word in Jesus name. Amen

on no account should you engage a demon in a conversation. I believe wat Jesus did there was in order to teach us not to do dat. D demon dat spoke out spoke to make Jesus feel d man case was an hopeless a legion is about 6000 soldiers imagine how you will feel naturally if you hear person brought to you had 6000 demon in him or her (fear go first catch you enn and ur faith go drop drastically. You will believe u have to do several sessions of deliverance daily for about 1 week and d devil will b laughing having a swell time).. Demons are very deceitful, dey will never tell you their real names. D response you will b getting will b something like dis "i am d queen of the coast dat controls all d mermaids spirits in d whole Atlantic and Pacific Ocean her soul is mine" and you will start binding off point and of course, she will dramatize for you very well.
For ur second question, d reason d Lord Jesus Christ sent d devil into the herd swine instead of the bottomless pit was also to teach his disciples dat firstly, there is a timeline of God which even him would not go against and in dat timeline, God has set a day he was going to judge demons but dat time is not come yet. He only asked us to cast out devils and not to send dem on errands people who have been praying for demons to go to bottomless pit or ocean etc do so out of fear dat d demons may come back to harm dem or enter into another person around there(this is sheer ignorance). Secondly he allowed d demons enter d herd of swine in order to show d disciples wit him and by extension d Church how destructive demons are so dat as dey (d disciples) go about carrying out d divine mandate, dey should never tolerate any demonic case.

analice107:
A man went to God and asked, "What's the value of life?"

God gave him one stone and said, "Find out the value of this stone, but don't sell it."

The man took the stone to an Orange Seller and asked him what it's cost would be.

The Orange Seller saw the shiny stone and said, "You can take 12 oranges and give me the stone."

The man apologized and said that God has asked him not to sell it.

He went ahead and found a vegetable seller. "What could be the value of this stone?" he asked the vegetable seller. The seller saw the shiny stone and said, "Take one sack of potatoes and give me the stone."

The man again apologized and said he can't sell it.

Further ahead, he went into a jewellery shop and asked the value of the stone.

The jeweler saw the stone under a lens and said, "I'll give you 50 Lakhs for this stone." When the man shook his head, the jeweler said, "Alright, alright, take 2 crores, but give me the stone."

The man explained that he can't sell the stone. Further ahead, the man saw a precious stone's shop and asked the seller the value of this stone.

When the precious stone's seller saw the big ruby, he lay down a red cloth and put the ruby on it. Then he walked in circles around the ruby and bent down and touched his head in front of the ruby.

"From where did you bring this priceless ruby from?" he asked. "Even if I sell the whole world, and my life, I won't be able to purchase this priceless stone.

Stunned and confused, the man returned to the God and told him what had happened. "Now tell me what is the value of life, God?

God said, "The answers you got from the Orange Seller, the Vegetable Seller, the Jeweler & the Precious Stone's Seller explain the value of our life... You may be a precious stone, even priceless, but people may value you based on their level of information, their belief in you, their motive behind entertaining you, their ambition, and their risk taking ability. But don't fear, you will surely find someone who will discern your true value."

In the eyes of God you are very very precious. Respect yourself. You are Unique. No one can Replace you!

Today is my birthday.

I may not have archived what I should materially, (from man's perspective of course), But I have life. And my life is much more valuable to me than any material thing on earth.
For me to acquire anything in this world, I will need to be alive first. And that, God has blessed me with and for this I THANK HIM.
The gift of my life is precious.
The two very dear friends who ran to my hospital bed immidiately they heard about my accident, are both dead today. Everyday, I wish Patrick could take my place and live instead. A great person such as him, shouldn't just die as he did.
And what about MaryJoe? O my God. While I was down, on a Christmas day, she sent food across two states to get to where I was, not as though I didn't have what to eat, but to show how much she cared. If she were alive today, she wld do everything to celebrate this day. But God allowed such a good person to pass. What can I say Lord? Thank You.
I don't know why good people such as this shd pass and am still here.
Whatever it is, let your Will concerning my life be fulfilled Lord.
Thank you for Life and Health.

happy Birthday dear. May you experience the next level of Glory in dis ur new age and move from glory to Glories. God grant speedy answers to ur prayers. Amen

[quote author=oyeludef post=42941747] happy Birthday dear. May you experience the next level of Glory in dis ur new age and move from glory to Glories. God grant speedy answers to ur prayers. Amen [/q
Thank you so much sir. May God continue to honour you.
He has done all things well.

temi4fash:


The part of engaging a demon in a conversation Jesus did that when he wanted to cast the man with legion in him in luke 8, he asked what was his name. Now in another part when he casted out a demon he didn't bother to ask questions he just casted out the demon.

Now to the part of casting out a demon in the name of a man of God that I can't say.. But praying in the name of a man of God can be gotten from the Bible. If you read the book of Genesis up to exodus ypu would see whre God himself appeared to Moses and told him I am the the God of your father Abraham, God of Jacob and the likes in Exodus 3 and so many other passages like that even in the new testament.. That been said..

When you look at first kings when Elisha got the mantle from Elijah and he wanted to path the waters he said "Where is the Lord God Of Elijah and he smote the waters and the Bible says the water parted". So which means the there is a God of Elijah.

So if some one prays in the name of a verified and acknowledged man of God I don't believe they aphave committed any wrong..

Cc. Superior1, oyeludef, analice et al..

Would really to hear your comment about these...

Remember when d disciples wanted to equate Jesus wit moses nd elijah at d mount of transfiguration? Those were d two greatest men in d old testament. Moses represented the law, Elijah represented d prophets and dey came to handover to the Master of masters, it was mission accomplished for them and now dey r saints resting in Glory. Wen d disciples tried equating dem with Jesus dey disappeared and God spoke from on High "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased hear Him" meaning from dat moment our attention should b focus on Christ. God gave Him a name dat is above all names dat at His name, every knees should bow both in heaven, on earth and even underneath the earth. The name of the Lord Jesus is not only a name but also a place. D psalmist Referred to His name as a strong tower.
This days people do not know d efficacy of that name because dey don't dwell in it. This days u hear ministers mixing it because dey doubt it. You hear things like "shout d name of Jesus three times, Holy Ghost fire three time, the blood of Jesus Three times, some other things several times" all in d name of warfare prayer. You av all you need in Jesus a mention of His name. His name is not an incantation dat you recite. Do a Bible study on Just the name of Jesus and wen next u mention dat name, you will immediately feel His presence.

oyeludef:

Remember when d disciples wanted to equate Jesus wit moses nd elijah at d mount of transfiguration? Those were d two greatest men in d old testament. Moses represented the law, Elijah represented d prophets and dey came to handover to the Master of masters, it was mission accomplished for them and now dey r saints resting in Glory. Wen d disciples tried equating dem with Jesus dey disappeared and God spoke from on High "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased hear Him" meaning from dat moment our attention should b focus on Christ. God gave Him a name dat is above all names dat at His name, every knees should bow both in heaven, on earth and even underneath the earth. The name of the Lord Jesus is not only a name but also a place. D psalmist Referred to His name as a strong tower.
This days people do not know d efficacy of that name because dey don't dwell in it. This days u hear ministers mixing it because dey doubt it. You hear things like "shout d name of Jesus three times, Holy Ghost fire three time, the blood of Jesus Three times, some other things several times" all in d name of warfare prayer. You av all you need in Jesus a mention of His name. His name is not an incantation dat you recite. Do a Bible study on Just the name of Jesus and wen next u mention dat name, you will immediately feel His presence.

Accepted

oyeludef:
on no account should you engage a demon in a conversation. I believe wat Jesus did there was in order to teach us not to do dat. D demon dat spoke out spoke to make Jesus feel d man case was an hopeless a legion is about 6000 soldiers imagine how you will feel naturally if you hear person brought to you had 6000 demon in him or her (fear go first catch you enn and ur faith go drop drastically. You will believe u have to do several sessions of deliverance daily for about 1 week and d devil will b laughing having a swell time).. Demons are very deceitful, dey will never tell you their real names. D response you will b getting will b something like dis "i am d queen of the coast dat controls all d mermaids spirits in d whole Atlantic and Pacific Ocean her soul is mine" and you will start binding off point and of course, she will dramatize for you very well.
For ur second question, d reason d Lord Jesus Christ sent d devil into the herd swine instead of the bottomless pit was also to teach his disciples dat firstly, there is a timeline of God which even him would not go against and in dat timeline, God has set a day he was going to judge demons but dat time is not come yet. He only asked us to cast out devils and not to send dem on errands people who have been praying for demons to go to bottomless pit or ocean etc do so out of fear dat d demons may come back to harm dem or enter into another person around there(this is sheer ignorance). Secondly he allowed d demons enter d herd of swine in order to show d disciples wit him and by extension d Church how destructive demons are so dat as dey (d disciples) go about carrying out d divine mandate, dey should never tolerate any demonic case.

Hmmm

analice107:
A man went to God and asked, "What's the value of life?"

God gave him one stone and said, "Find out the value of this stone, but don't sell it."

The man took the stone to an Orange Seller and asked him what it's cost would be.

The Orange Seller saw the shiny stone and said, "You can take 12 oranges and give me the stone."

The man apologized and said that God has asked him not to sell it.

He went ahead and found a vegetable seller. "What could be the value of this stone?" he asked the vegetable seller. The seller saw the shiny stone and said, "Take one sack of potatoes and give me the stone."

The man again apologized and said he can't sell it.

Further ahead, he went into a jewellery shop and asked the value of the stone.

The jeweler saw the stone under a lens and said, "I'll give you 50 Lakhs for this stone." When the man shook his head, the jeweler said, "Alright, alright, take 2 crores, but give me the stone."

The man explained that he can't sell the stone. Further ahead, the man saw a precious stone's shop and asked the seller the value of this stone.

When the precious stone's seller saw the big ruby, he lay down a red cloth and put the ruby on it. Then he walked in circles around the ruby and bent down and touched his head in front of the ruby.

"From where did you bring this priceless ruby from?" he asked. "Even if I sell the whole world, and my life, I won't be able to purchase this priceless stone.

Stunned and confused, the man returned to the God and told him what had happened. "Now tell me what is the value of life, God?

God said, "The answers you got from the Orange Seller, the Vegetable Seller, the Jeweler & the Precious Stone's Seller explain the value of our life... You may be a precious stone, even priceless, but people may value you based on their level of information, their belief in you, their motive behind entertaining you, their ambition, and their risk taking ability. But don't fear, you will surely find someone who will discern your true value."

In the eyes of God you are very very precious. Respect yourself. You are Unique. No one can Replace you!

Today is my birthday.

I may not have archived what I should materially, (from man's perspective of course), But I have life. And my life is much more valuable to me than any material thing on earth.
For me to acquire anything in this world, I will need to be alive first. And that, God has blessed me with and for this I THANK HIM.
The gift of my life is precious.
The two very dear friends who ran to my hospital bed immidiately they heard about my accident, are both dead today. Everyday, I wish Patrick could take my place and live instead. A great person such as him, shouldn't just die as he did.
And what about MaryJoe? O my God. While I was down, on a Christmas day, she sent food across two states to get to where I was, not as though I didn't have what to eat, but to show how much she cared. If she were alive today, she wld do everything to celebrate this day. But God allowed such a good person to pass. What can I say Lord? Thank You.
I don't know why good people such as this shd pass and am still here.
Whatever it is, let your Will concerning my life be fulfilled Lord.
Thank you for Life and Health.

woahhhh. happy birthday to you , happy birthay to analice, happy birthday to the prophetess of God. sweetheart how old are you now . pm me and tell me . wish you more grace, patience, love and Gods mercy. please where can i come and eat my share of the rice??

analice107:
A man went to God and asked, "What's the value of life?"

God gave him one stone and said, "Find out the value of this stone, but don't sell it."

The man took the stone to an Orange Seller and asked him what it's cost would be.

The Orange Seller saw the shiny stone and said, "You can take 12 oranges and give me the stone."

The man apologized and said that God has asked him not to sell it.

He went ahead and found a vegetable seller. "What could be the value of this stone?" he asked the vegetable seller. The seller saw the shiny stone and said, "Take one sack of potatoes and give me the stone."

The man again apologized and said he can't sell it.

Further ahead, he went into a jewellery shop and asked the value of the stone.

The jeweler saw the stone under a lens and said, "I'll give you 50 Lakhs for this stone." When the man shook his head, the jeweler said, "Alright, alright, take 2 crores, but give me the stone."

The man explained that he can't sell the stone. Further ahead, the man saw a precious stone's shop and asked the seller the value of this stone.

When the precious stone's seller saw the big ruby, he lay down a red cloth and put the ruby on it. Then he walked in circles around the ruby and bent down and touched his head in front of the ruby.

"From where did you bring this priceless ruby from?" he asked. "Even if I sell the whole world, and my life, I won't be able to purchase this priceless stone.

Stunned and confused, the man returned to the God and told him what had happened. "Now tell me what is the value of life, God?

God said, "The answers you got from the Orange Seller, the Vegetable Seller, the Jeweler & the Precious Stone's Seller explain the value of our life... You may be a precious stone, even priceless, but people may value you based on their level of information, their belief in you, their motive behind entertaining you, their ambition, and their risk taking ability. But don't fear, you will surely find someone who will discern your true value."

In the eyes of God you are very very precious. Respect yourself. You are Unique. No one can Replace you!

Today is my birthday.

I may not have archived what I should materially, (from man's perspective of course), But I have life. And my life is much more valuable to me than any material thing on earth.
For me to acquire anything in this world, I will need to be alive first. And that, God has blessed me with and for this I THANK HIM.
The gift of my life is precious.
The two very dear friends who ran to my hospital bed immidiately they heard about my accident, are both dead today. Everyday, I wish Patrick could take my place and live instead. A great person such as him, shouldn't just die as he did.
And what about MaryJoe? O my God. While I was down, on a Christmas day, she sent food across two states to get to where I was, not as though I didn't have what to eat, but to show how much she cared. If she were alive today, she wld do everything to celebrate this day. But God allowed such a good person to pass. What can I say Lord? Thank You.
I don't know why good people such as this shd pass and am still here.
Whatever it is, let your Will concerning my life be fulfilled Lord.
Thank you for Life and Health.

Happy Birthday Sister