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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Visitor700: 6:22am On Oct 17, 2015 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by maverickboy: 7:52am On Oct 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Hmm you've got someone now. but then, I'm predicting how many days you are going to last on the thread. You must be full of yourself for this post! |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 8:46pm On Oct 17, 2015 |
Visitor700:Paul and James did not contradicte each other instead they complement each other. Paul’s focus was on the unsaved man and how he might get right with God. James’ focus was on the saved person and how he might show his faith and demonstrate the reality of his faith. You cannot be saved by work(Ephesians 2:8-9) You cannot show that you are saved without works (James 2:14,18)How can a person be saved? By faith alone (Rom. 3:28) do you understand? Now to the quranic verse you provide, before I reply you, answer this: does the verse sound as warning to muslims against Paul teaching ?or is it a prophecy on how Paul will contradicte allah word ? |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Visitor700: 10:39am On Oct 20, 2015 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 6:05pm On Oct 20, 2015 |
Visitor700:see were you got it all wrong, prior to coming of Jesus, those in the old testament were save by FAITH alone. But after Jesus had finished the WORK of salvation meaning He did not ONLY reconcile us to God , He also gives us the authority to defects the devil. How did the old testament saint rebuked the devil ? In whose authority? I will ask again, if muhammed should ask muslims to make confirmation to the early scripture,the injil,torah and. Zabura and all three scripture do not claims to be a sent down revelation from heaven EXCEPT the quran ,doesent this mean Allah ask you to make confirmation to a book writing by men ? Infacte the quran say the early scripture is capable of guiding human. Sura 5:46: "But why do they (the Jews) come to thee for decision, when they have the Torah in which IS the command of God." Sura 5:50: "And let the People of the Gospel judge by what God has revealed in it. If any fail to judge by what God has revealed, they are licentious." Sura 5:71: "Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord." Infacte Sura 5:50 claim it is God who revealed the early scripture,and your post seems to indicate this scripture is corrupted . alright now answer the following questions, Quran 16:44 [We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought. I'm sure the muslims know the quran was not revealed in writing. Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier Scriptures. The written proved their MUST be copies going on circulation. okay!!! 1. At what point did the people corrupted the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE islam, during Muhammad's time of AFTER him? 2. If it was before islam, why would Allah refer Muhammad to something that is non-existent to make confirmation? 3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how was he able to receive the revelation that the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been corrupted? 4. The quran confirms that the Scripture was a clear proof in writings. This means there were copies in circulation. How possible all copies vanished without anyone having a copy anywhere? You should by now discover a lie is told. 5. Why would God be so weak as to allow man throw away His words before He would vow to protect the subsequent revelations? Did He learn from experience? 6. Why will God ask muhammed to make confirmation of the corrupted scripture (injeel and torah) ? https://www.nairaland.com/2535883/allegedly-corrupted-scripture-questions-muslims 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Visitor700: 10:32am On Oct 23, 2015 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 11:50am On Oct 23, 2015 |
Visitor700 I repeat, the old testament saint were save by faith, Hebrew11 mention how this great men were save by faith: Hebrews 11New King James Version (NKJV) By Faith We Understand 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. Faith at the Dawn of History 4 By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; [a] for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. 7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Faithful Abraham 8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 By faith Sarah herself also received strength to conceive seed, and she bore a child[ b] when she was past the age, because she judged Him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude—innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore. The Heavenly Hope 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them,[ c] embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Now read verse 13 again," All died in faith not having received the promises" what promised? The promised of His Son Jesus christ. I ask you prior to the coming of Jesus Christ ,in whose name do the old testament saint cast out demon ? And you are quoting from the new testament, if the old testament saint cast out demon in God name, can you give me example from the scripture? You said the former divine books were sent down revelation ? This is were you lied, the quran was NOT revealed in CONTEXT but the Gospel ,torah and psalm were all revealed in context, the quran was revealed to muhammed verse by verse but the quran say Moses ,Jesus and David were all given a BOOK. Wow, the corrupted scripture,the changes took overtime? So they succeeded in corrupting the torah injil and zabura (overtime) but the quran they did not touch it ? Even when Allah has vow to protect the subsequent revelation ,still men prevails and corrupted it!!!okay. Why are muslims so good in lying? You said the bible was not in circulation? Sura 5:71: "Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord." How will christians and Jews performed the torah and gospel if it not in circulation? Sura 5:50: "And let the People of the Gospel judge by what God has revealed in it. If any fail to judge by what God has revealed, they are licentious." Will the Jews judge by a none existing documents? Try another lie. |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Visitor700: 12:52am On Oct 24, 2015 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by mustymatic(m): 6:13am On Oct 24, 2015 |
This one will never reason o,they'll keep reposting the same piece. |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 9:00am On Oct 24, 2015 |
Visitor700:You say Paul and James contradicte each other concerning faith and work, but when I adress it , instead of you to provide your defence from the new testament, you went and quote from the old testament. Do you know what the bible mean when it say "Jesus fullfiled the law"? The law ONLY serve as the instruments which man shall be save. The law is a manifestation of the perfect holiness of God, and was given to us (humanity) to show how utterly unable we are to meet God's standard by our own means, strength or works (Romans 7:7). It shows us our sinfulness as a contrast to God's holiness. Old Testament saints who were called righteous relied upon the grace of God for their right standing with God, not their success at keeping the law. When Jesus is said to have fulfilled the law, it means that He perfectly kept the law of God, and never sinned (1 Peter 2:22).This was therefore a manifestation of and testimony to His deity. Obviously something no other man could possibly do. Romans 8: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life has set you FREE in Christ Jesus from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH . 3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us , who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. The righteous requirement of the law has been fulfilled in us (those who are in Christ Jesus) by virutue of us being in Christ. Isa 45:23 and Rom 14:11 it about Jesus compear it with this: Philipians2:8-10 …8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Visitor700: 6:30pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 9:10pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Visitor700:you are not being truthful here, you mistakenly quote genesis instead of Romans, I was beginning to accept your complained but when I read this "both carry exactly the same message though" Then it wasent a mistake. Let me repeat myself again. Paul’s focus was on the unsaved man and how he might get right with God. James’ focus was on the saved person and how he might SHOW his faith and DEMONSTRATE the reality of his faith.(the unsaved man cannot show or demonstrate his faith). You cannot be saved by work(Ephesians 2:8-9) You cannot show that you are saved without works (James 2:14,18)How can a person be saved? By faith alone (Rom. 3:28) How can a person show that he is saved?How can he “show his faith”?Only by works (James 2:18) The error Paul corrected was "salvation is by the work of the law in christ Jesus( when Jesus fullfiled the law) The error that James corrected"Works are unnecessary after a person is saved" As a matter of fact, this is what Paul wrote, "Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!" ( Rom. 6:15); and "Having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness" (v. 18).Thus Paul condemns the same error James is exposing here. Paul never advocated any concept of dormant faith. Believe me when I say this my friend, you do not understand what it mean when Jesus fullfiled the law, I cannot discuss it with you, you may ended up not understand. Only through face to face conversation. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Visitor700: 6:57am On Oct 27, 2015 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 8:50am On Oct 27, 2015 |
Visitor700:We are justified by faith. Romans 5:1, 2 “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God” Salvation cannot be earned by works: Combating your false idea that man can be save in keeping the law , he states that even Jewish Christians are saved by grace and not by keeping the law of Moses: Galatians 2:15, 16 “We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified” In Romans, chapters 1 through 3, Paul establishes that both Jews and Gentiles are sinners, and can be saved only by the grace of God.Jews cannot depend on the law of Moses for salvation because it is never kept perfectly: Romans 3:20 “Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin” NO HUMAN CAN BOAST OF PERFECTLY KEPT THE LAW,only Him, who is DIVINE in nature is able. The Law and the Prophets foretold the coming of the Messiah who would bring righteousness to God's people. The law made it clear that Israel needed salvation from sin just as surely as did the Gentiles. Ephesians 2:8, 9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith,and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast”. “Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law” (Romans 3:27, 28). What is the difference between the 'law of works' and the 'law of faith'? In the first case one strives to earn salvation by his own works. This man bases his salvation on the principle of works. In the second case, one understands that his only hope of salvation is the grace of God.He gratefully accepts God's gift of salvation by faith. This man bases his salvation on the principle of faith. One of your brother open a thread pointing out contradictions in the bible, this is what I ask him: The same could be said of the Qur’an. In Surah 2 we are introduced to the fall of Adam, then God’s mercy is shown to the Israelites, followed by Pharaoh’s drowning, followed by Moses and the Golden calf, followed by the Israelites complaint about food and water, and then we are introduced to the account of the GOLDEN CALF AGAIN. Following this, we read about Moses and Jesus,then we read about Moses and the GOLDEN CALF ,and then about Solomon and Abraham.If one wants to talk about chronology,what does Moses have to do with Jesus,or Solomon with Abraham? Chronologically the surah should have begun with Adam’s fall, then moved to Cain and Abel, Enoch, Abraham, Lot,Isaac, Jacob and Esau, Joseph, the sons of Israel and Moses, in that order. If such a blatant chronological mix-up can be found in this sura of the Qur’an, then madjnr would do well to explain it before criticizing what they deem to be an error in the Bible. 1 Like |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Visitor700: 12:58am On Oct 28, 2015 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 9:50pm On Feb 15, 2016 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by promisechuks: 11:19pm On Feb 15, 2016 |
malvisguy212:This muslims are so bankrupt in thinking, logic and reasoning. |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by vzkpswaqnkhgytd: 11:29pm On Feb 15, 2016 |
promisechuks: How so? |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 8:32am On Feb 16, 2016 |
vzkpswaqnkhgytd:read the op and use your sense. |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 3:43pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 8:51am On Mar 29, 2016 |
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Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Nobody: 10:56pm On Apr 06, 2016 |
mustymatic: Your mnemonic jargon called Qur'an says David was given Psalms whereas not all Psalms were written by him. Besides the Qur'an has Aramaic influences showing that it was copied from Christian Aramaic scriptures. |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by mustymatic(m): 11:06pm On Apr 06, 2016 |
lordnicklaus:Copied by who? someone who can't read or write? lol laughing at the bolded |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Nobody: 11:28pm On Apr 06, 2016 |
mustymatic: The Arabic word translated as "illiterate" is the word "ummi" which also means one who has no insight of the past knowledge (former Holy Books) and not necessarily one who is unlettered cos' some Muslim scholars agree that Muhammad was learned but had no knowledge of the former Holy books (Torah and Berita khadasha [New Testament]). Your Qur'an says David was given the "Zabur" which means "Psalms" whereas not all Psalms were written by David. Some Psalms were by Asaph, some by Hezekiah, one by Moses, one by Habbakuk and one was probably by Samuel. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212: 2:08pm On Apr 07, 2016 |
lordnicklaus:nice one bro |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Nobody: 3:31pm On Apr 07, 2016 |
I am gonna give an example to proof that the Qur'an is actually of Aramaic origin. The word "qur'an" is actually the Aramaic word "qerani" or "qeryani" which means "reading" or "recitation" and it is derived from the root word "q'ra" which verb form is "iqra'a" which means "to recite" or "to read." Its Hebrew counterpart or cognate is "q're" Muslims believe that in paradise are seven virgins waiting for them after they have done a good service to Allah. The word translated as "virgin" in the Qur'an is actually an Aramaic word meaning "grape." It is the Aramaic word "hur" and its Arabic counterpart is "huri." In commentaries concerning this word, Muslim scholars admit that the word is strange to them and its precise message is not gotten. They said the knowledge belongs to Allah. So the truth is, Muslims would be getting "grapes" and not "virgins" lol!!!!!! Let them dream on, they might not even get the "grapes" let alone imaginary "virgins" |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by mustymatic(m): 4:41pm On Apr 07, 2016 |
lordnicklaus:He was unlettered which means he didn't read and copy from the Bible Was it copied or not? Your Bible was written by many unknown men whose surnames are not known , nowhere in the world is that accepted. The quran as it is, unchanged since the time of Muhammad, the word of God, no one can change that. u can't say the same for the Bible, it has been edited, re-edited, re-re-edited, so ur argument is invalid. And your statement that David didn't write all of psalms is not in the quran, the quran says David was given not "he wrote" so also the Gospel was given to Jesus and not "he wrote" get it right pls 1 Like |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by mustymatic(m): 5:24pm On Apr 07, 2016 |
Visitor700:May God reward you bro 1 Like |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Nobody: 5:30pm On Apr 07, 2016 |
mustymatic: Lol!!!! Why then did Khalif Uthman ask for the Qur'an to be abrogated? An ancient Qur'an manuscript has been discovered in Yemen with differences from today's Qur'an. Even most Hadith writers quote strange Suras that are not even in the Qur'an. It shows that there was a different Qur'an and yet Muslims claim the Qur'an is one. You might be shocked to learn that the Qur'an you use is different from the ones other Muslims use in foreign countries. I once read a Qur'an translation, a footnote where the translator made mention of another Qur'an that was translated by someone else as filled with translation errors. 1 Like |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by mustymatic(m): 4:49pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
lordnicklaus:sir, your claim is baseless and ridiculous, the quran is one, khalifa who ![]() |
Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by Nobody: 3:39pm On Apr 11, 2016 |
bashbabe2: Is it your Qur'an that says that the earth is flat (Sura 88:20)? Or that semen is formed between backbone and rib (Sura 86:6-7)? Or that the sun sets on a muddy pool (Sura 18:86)? You call that perfect? Muhammad was not sent to mankind, he just started Islam to make a name for himself. |
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