Empiree:
I did actually. You said u are mobile.

I didnt say there is any. Rather it is a pure command and warning. Quran does not give judgement either. It says to abstain from it. The statement is very clear. I dont know why you people chose to ignore. The implication of eating pork is manifest in the world now. "Retribution" can be proven and has been proven scientifically. When you get the chance, watch the pastor again. It's moral too. Anytime God used command tune in Holy Books, like "Do not", common sense tells you there is repercussion either in this world or hereafter. Pretty simple. You cant ignore the fact that your Bible says pork is unclean and you are FORBIDDEN from eating it. Thats my point.

You Christians really misunderstood covenant issue. I cleared it up here
https://www.nairaland.com/2922804/truthman2012/1#42769839

vzkpswaqnkhgytd:
This is why the final Testament, the Quran was revealed. Makes everything clear and simple to keep us on the straight path.

promisechuks:

Why are you being deceived?

How can the last testament be more sinful and corrupted that even the OT, let alone the NT?

promisechuks:

Man please don't be deceived!

What enters a man's mouth can NEVER defile the person, making him a sinner.

Is it because people eat unclean things, that's what can make them lie, fornicate, be a paedophile and commit many atrocities? NO!!!

But as a man thinks, so is he.

We are not corrupt because we eat unclean things like pork, but because of what we think and bear in our heart and mind.

It is not the pork meat a man eats that urges him to bomb and kill innocent people but his wicked thinking.

Knowing this will let you know that, eating uncleans that you are comfortable with can't make you unclean.

vzkpswaqnkhgytd:

Are you skipping your meds again?

vzkpswaqnkhgytd:


Sometimes I wonder if your buttocks get jealous of the excrement that flies out of your face

Scholar8200:
Are other angels also so described or only Gabriel?

promisechuks:

Please, if you are really a Christian, you will know that angels are quite different holyspirit.

Holyspirit is the part of God that posses every believer of the gospel.

Does angel live/posses human being?

Just think about it!

vzkpswaqnkhgytd:


Quran is the final word. I stand behind every word. Quran is uncorrupted, free of any crookedness.

Scholar8200:
I know. I just want to clarify things from their perspective.

Scholar8200:


Well I guess the difference between the Quran and OT is that the latter has purely ceremonial laws that do not get us nearer to God , and moral laws which are binding in all dispensations.However, right from the time the OT was given, God clearly hinted of the future showing that beyond external forms and compliance with rites, He wanted transformed hearts and lives just as the NT provides:

29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Deuteronomy 5:29

6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deuteronomy 30:6

This is why when John the baptist was born, his father declared concerning the soon to be born Messiah for Whom John was a forerunner:

to perform the mercy promised to our fathers,
and to remember his holy covenant;
73 the oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 that he would grant unto us,
that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies
might serve him without fear,
75 in holiness and righteousness before him,
all the days of our life.
Luke 1:72-75

This carries more weight than the outward ceremonies of abstinence from meats while the real defilants are in the heart!

Scholar8200:
Are other angels also so described or only Gabriel?

Empiree:
Angels have various task. Jubril(Gabriel) alaiy salaam is what I termed "human affairs". That's his task. Other Angels have their various tasks as well.

Angel Mikail(Michael), -in charge of rain, food etc

Israfil - Trumpeter

Asrail - Angel of death etc

Jubril being the popular one and brought down the Quran is usually described as Holy Spirit or ruh. And sometimes, Quran specifically mentioned his name, Jubril. He was the same Angel who appeared to Mary(mother of Jesus) pace be upon her. He was the same Angel who appeared to Muhammad(peace be upon him) and other prophets and messangers. This is different from Angels dwelling inside of us as Christians opined. That is called nafs i:e soul.

Scholar8200:

Well, the Law was given to Israel, notice that the Gentiles (who made no distinctions between meats) then were to be admitted to Israel's passover only if they yielded to circumcision nothing was said about meats to them. Even in Acts 15:28,29, only a minimal part was, through the Holy Spirit's leading handed to them. The goal of the NT is reconciliation to God and holiness of heart and life, not proselytizing of Gentiles to Jewish practices.

Scholar8200:
What are Angels generally called in the Quran?

Empiree:
Everything you said up there really has nothing to do with covenant at all. And @underlined, that's laughable, I am not denying having good heart but your Bible clearly said pork meat is unclean and you should not eat it. How is that correlate with covenant?. How is someone's heart be sound if he eat forbidden and unclean meats. We already talked about that in the link given earlier. Covenant is about:

*******Worshiping God i:e correct religion - Islam

*******Righteous conduct

These are the covenant made with Abraham and his progeny. I providede the verse of the Quran earlier and here it is again.


And (remember) when the Lord of Ibrahim (Abraham) [i.e., Allah] tried him with (certain) Commands, which he fulfilled. He (Allah) said (to him), "Verily, I am going to make you a leader (Prophet) of mankind." [Ibrahim (Abraham)] said, "And of my offspring (to make leaders)." (Allah) said, "My Covenant (Prophethood, etc.) includes not Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers)."

I hope you ponder over the verse carefully. After Abraham(p) was tried (tested), he passed. And God said he would make him a leader. Read Abraham's statement. He asked Allah if He would make leaders from his offspring?. Allah replied that His (God) covenant is ONLY restricted to believers i:e those who obey and submit. This covenant is reiterated again in sura Israil (chpater 17 of the Quran). Children of Israel rejected God's commands to worship Him alone and to not eat certain food and obey God. But they always defiled God. The same thing you you here. You defiled God after Bible verse clearly said not to eat pork.

At your own pace, go and study sura 17 of the Quran where covenant was made with children of Israel. They violated God's Commands by worshiping golden calf, consuming riba (usury), killing prophets, eating forbidden meats. Because of these, they violated covenants and therefore they are not entitled to the Holy Land. That's the covenant. Only those who keep the covenants(muslims) are entailed the Deed of the only Land. This subject is a little complex.

Empiree:
Malaikat

Empiree:
Well, from Islamic perceptive, they were not forbidden certain food until they started to disobey God.

Sura 3:93

"All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Israel Made unlawful for itself, before the Law (of Moses) was revealed. Say: "Bring ye the Law and study it, if ye be men of truth."

They used to be believers until after God saved them from pharaoh. Then they defiled Moses and God's command. It was then certain things are forbidden and they are cursed not only by God but also by Jesus and David (peace be upon them)



This is when they used to believe and covenant was intact.

"And We made from among them (Children of Israel), leaders, giving guidance under Our Command, when they were patient and used to believe with certainty in Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.)." - 32:24



And, indeed We gave Musa (Moses) the guidance, and We caused the Children of Israel to inherit the Scripture [i.e. the Taurat (Torah)], - 40:53


O Children of Israel! call to mind the special favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others (for My Message). - 2:122


And after their persistence disbelieve and disobedience, they were cursed.


"Those of the Children of Israel who went astray were cursed by the tongue of David, and of Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they rebelled and used to transgress." - 5:78

Scholar8200:
Then why the change when it got to Gabriel?

Empiree:
Listen, let me do a little breakdown. When it comes to specific tasks, Quran either mentions specific name of the Angel or prophet. It also uses general term like messenger for Angel Gabriel. It depends on the wordings. For instance,

"....then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. — Quran, sura 19 (Maryam), ayat 17

If we want further research, we look into tafsir(explanation) to see which Angel God is talking about. And that is Gabriel talking about in this verse



Similarly, angels also came to ʾIbrāhīm (Abraham) in human form, and he was not aware that they were angels until they told him so. Lūṭ (Lot) also had angels come to him to warn him of the impending doom of his people. All angels praise and glorify God and they never become tired of doing this.

They celebrate His praises night and day, nor do they ever flag or intermit. — Quran, sura 21 (Al-Anbiya), ayah 20


Also mentioned them by general terms in this verse.

"O ye who believe! save yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones, over which are (appointed) angels stern (and) severe, who flinch not (from executing) the Commands they receive from Allah, but do (precisely) what they are commanded.

— Quran, sura 66 (At-Tahrim), ayah


Here they are called messangers. The Quran also mentions that angels have qualities that may be typified by the word wings:


"Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who [b]made the angels, messengers with wings[/b],- two, or three, or four (pairs):...

— Quran, sura 35 (Fatir) ayah

The preceding sentence does not imply that all angels have two to four wings. Most notably, archangels (namely Gabriel and Michael) are described as having thousands of wings.


According to hadith collected by Muhammad al-Bukhari, Muhammad said that Gabriel possessed 600 wings;

Narrated Abu Ishaq-Ash-Shaibani:

I asked Zir bin Hubaish regarding the Statement of Allah: "And was at a distance Of but two bow-lengths Or (even) nearer; So did (Allah) convey The Inspiration to His slave (Gabriel) and then he (Gabriel) Conveyed (that to Muhammad). (53.9-10)[13] On that, Zir said, "Ibn Mas'ud informed us that the Prophet had seen Gabriel having 600 wings."


Does this sound like "angel" that dwells in you as Christians believe?. What I am trying to tell you is that Allah mentions Angel directly and indirectly in the Quran. For instance,

Gabriel (Jibreel) and Michael (Meekaal) are mentioned early on the Quran in sura Al-Baqarah:


"Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,- Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith. — Quran, sura 2 (Al-Baqara) ayat 97-98


Another angel, Maalik is defined in the Quran as a being who is the warden of Hell. However Maalik is not an evil angel, nor a fallen one, a notion Islam rejects, rather Maalik is merely doing what he is commanded to do by God.


"They will cry: "O Malik! would that thy Lord put an end to us!" He will say, "Nay, but ye shall abide!" — Quran, sura 43 (Az-Zukhruf ) ayah 77

Scholar8200:

Now why is it that when Gabriel was sent to Mary he was called,"... our angel, and [color=#990000]he appeared before her as a man in all respects"

But why the change in nomenclature such that he was called the Holy Spirit?

Is it that:
1. He was so called when he appeared to Mary because he was in the form of a man; and
2. He was so called when he appeared to Muhammed because he came as a spirit?

Now ,since Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit in John 14 & 15 and Holy Spirit is called in the Aramaic Bible (Aramaic being the language Jesus spoke)

Holy Spirit or Ghost in Syriac Aramaic is Rukha d'qudsha. Rukha is spirit ,d'qudsha is holy. {You will agree with me that this is very similar to the arabic Ruh al-Qudus)

1. Why do muslims claim the Holy Spirit is Muhammed if the Quran says it's Gabriel?

2. Why would Jesus promise to send an angel who already heralded His birth?

Empiree:
It is called possessive noun/pronoun.

[b]While we were one day sitting with the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah upon him, there appeared before us a man dressed in extremely white clothes and with very black hair. No traces of travel were visible on him, and none of us knew him. He sat down close by the Prophet, peace and blessings upon him, rested his knees against his knees and placed his palms on his thighs, and said, O Muhammad! Inform me about Islam." Muhammad said, "Islam is that you should testify that there is no deity save Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger, that you should perform salah (ritual prayer), pay the zakah (alms), fast during Ramadan, and perform Hajj (pilgrimage) to the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah), if you can find a way to it (or find the means for making the journey to it)." Said he (the man), "You have spoken truly." We were astonished at his thus questioning him and telling him that he was right, but he went on to say, "Inform me about Iman (faith)." He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, "It is that you believe in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and in the Last Day, and in fate (qadar), both in its good and in its evil aspects." He said, "You have spoken truly." Then he (the man) said, "Inform me about Ihsan." He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, " It is that you should serve Allah as though you could see Him, for though you cannot see Him yet He sees you." He said, "Inform me about the Hour (time of the resurrection)." He (the Messenger of Allah) said, "About that the one questioned knows no more than the questioner." So he said, "Well, inform me about the signs thereof (i.e. of its coming)." Said he, "They are that the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress, that you will see the barefooted ones, the naked, the destitute, the herdsmen of the sheep (competing with each other) in raising lofty buildings." Thereupon the man went off. I waited a while, and then he (the Messenger of Allah) said, "O 'Umar, do you know who that questioner was?" I replied, "Allah and His Messenger know better." He said, "That was Jibril. He came to teach you your religion." [Muslim][/b]


Narrated 'Aisha: "...Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says."...Sahih Bukhari 1:1:2




This is a common debate btw the two Faiths. First all, from Islamic point of view, every human being has two Angels on our shoulders recording our deeds. Thats their assignment. These are not Jubril(Gabriel). Christians claim "Holy Spirit" i:e Gabriel is the one with them, consider descriptions of Gabriel as described by prophet Muhammad(p) as having 600 wings. Where the heck that is in you?

Discriptions of Angel Jubril

Narrated ASSAILANT: ..."Abdullah (bin Mas'ud) informed us that Muhammad had seen Gabriel with six hundred wings."
Sahih Bukhari 6:60:380

I'd rather let rilwayne001, tola9ja deal with you on whether John 14, 15 is Muhammad (p) or not. I am not really interested in that debate at this time.

This is to show you Jesus(p) was not talking about sending "Holy Spirit"(Gabriel). Gabriel already existed long before humans were created. It was same Angel Gabriel who appeared to his mom, Mary(as). Why would he want to send an Angel that already heralded?.

Scholar8200:
Actually what I wanted to know was why, since Gabriel appeared to both as a man, why was he called with the generic name -angel- while for the other he was called with a special name and the definite article -The- was used meaning there was only one of his kind?

[Quran 2:87]

"And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed".

Moreover, can you give instances when Gabriel supported Jesus' Ministry?

Basic Grammar tells us the article - the - shows there is only one of that kind eg Jesus is the Messiah meaning we cannot have more than one! How do we relate this to Gabriel who is not the only angel?

Meaning the personality He was sending was neither Gabriel nor a man! Else, this is the implication:

1. Only God has the capacity to say,"I will send so and so" not from the Earth but from Heaven" Therefore if Jesus was referring to Mohammed (which of course He wasnt) then He is the Son of God and Essentially One with Him! NO prophet at any age EVER used that sentence of promising to send someone from Heaven! Highest they did eg Moses was to appoint a successor on earth!

2. If Jesus was referring to Mohammed, then Jesus is far more than a prophet! Whosoever is sent is answerable to Him that sent him! Note that Jesus said He will send such an One in His Name, just as He came in the Father's Name! Think on these!

malvisguy212:
not even muhammed close companion bear witness of muhammed allegedly calling.

malvisguy212:
not even muhammed close companion bear witness of muhammed allegedly calling.

Rilwayne001:
1. Did Jesus read the bible? provide your proof

2. Was he given the bible or the gospel?







3. Did he read the bible or book of Esaias?

truthman2012:
@ Rilwayne

Quran 19:30, Shakir] He said: Surely I
am a servant of Allah; He has
given me the Book and made me
a prophet;

Quran quoted Jesus as saying he was given a Book containing the Gospel I suppose.

Where is that Book if not the Bible. Or would allah be watching man throwing away the Book he gave to Jesus?

AlMuflihah:



Allah gave jesus the gospel (injeel)... BT dats diff from all doz stories written by different unknown authors in that book u call d bible

Empiree:

To be honest, this verse of Quran you quoted is self explanatory. Let's keep this simple. Malaika Jibreel (Angel Gabriel) is believed by Allah. Their relationship is beyond human comprehension.

"He [Allah] has written faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with [b]a spirit from Himself (ruh min hu)."[/b] —Surat-ul Mujadila (58): 22

Yusuf Ali, in his commentary for this verse, says the following: Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by Allah with the holy spirit. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, “a spirit from Himself.”

We see throughout Quran that Angel Gabriel(as) had been commissioned since beginning of time.

So he was addressed appropriately where and when Allah deemed fit. Allah addresses or calls his by different titles. However, I do have to commend you for your sincere thought. Your questions are legitimate.

When readers of the Qur’an hear the words “holy spirit,” they equate this expression with the Arabic, ruh-ul qudus. There are several Qur’anic passages that use this expression, but they do not clearly identify what or who this ruh-ul qudus is. One of those passages is the following as rendered in Yusuf Ali’s world-renowned translation:

Say: the Holy Spirit (ruh-ul qudus) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide, and glad tidings to Muslims. —Surat-un Nahl (16):102


Most Muslims believe this ruh-ul qudus to be Gabriel. Because he is an angel, they know that he is a spirit; and because he transmits the Word of Allah, he is in a special sense a very holy spirit

. There are other passages, however, where the expression ruh-ul qudus is not as easily interpreted. For example, there are three Qur’anic passages that use the expression “holy spirit” in reference to the ministry of Isa Al-Masih.


"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear (Signs) and [b]strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (ruh-ul qudus)."[/b] —Surat-ul Baqara (2): 87

To Jesus the son of Mary, We gave clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (ruh-ul qudus). —Surat-ul Baqara (2): 253

Then Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount my favor to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit (ruh-ul qudus).…” —Surat-ul Ma’ida (5): 110

Today, the common opinion is that the ruh-ul qudus of these verses refer again to the angel Gabriel. But according to the opinions of the early classical interpreters, such as Ibn Zayd, Ibn Abbas and Ibn Anas, and later confirmed by al-Baidawi (d.685/1282), in these passages ruh-ul qudus was understood in a variety of ways. Other interpretations included:

1. the spirit that Allah breathed into Isa; 2. the Injil that Allah sent down to Isa; and 3. the one name of Allah that superceded all others, which Isa invoked to perform miracles, such as raising the dead. In each of these instances, ruh-ul qudus was interpreted to be something more profound than an angel; it was something that was of Allah and that came down from Allah. Furthermore, in each of the above three passages, this holy spirit came to give strength to Allah’s servant. This idea is conveyed iN yet another verse of the Qur’an that speaks of believers fully devoted to Allah:

"He [Allah] has written faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself (ruh min hu)." —Surat-ul Mujadila (58): 22



Yusuf Ali, in his commentary for this verse, says the following: Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by Allah with the holy spirit. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, “a spirit from Himself.” When anyone offers his heart in faith and purity to Allah, Allah accepts it, engraves that Faith on the seeker’s heart, and further fortifies him with the divine spirit, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human language the nature and attributes of Allah.

Notice Yusuf Ali’s description of this spirit as “the divine spirit.”Again we see a reference to something that is of Allah, comes from Allah and comes to strengthen. We have already seen references of Isa Al-Masih being strengthened, but this is the only verse in the entire Qur’an that speaks about the common believer being strengthened by the Spirit of Allah.

I definitely concur with Yusuf Ali's theory. This subject leads us to subject of Islamic epistemology, which is grounded in sufism (the spiritual heart of Islam). The word Ruh (spirit) is very complex and can never be fully understood by human. Quran itself confirms that. In a story recorded by Al-Bukhari in his Tafsir of this Ayah that `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "While I was walking with the Prophet on a farm, and he was resting on a palm-leaf stalk, some Jews passed by. Some of them said to the others, `Ask him about the Ruh.' Some of them said, `What urges you to ask him about that' Others said, `Do not ask him, lest he gives you a reply which you do not like.' But they said, `Ask him.' So they asked him about the Ruh. The Prophet kept quiet and did not give them an answer, and I knew that he was receiving revelation, so I stayed where I was. When the revelation was complete, the Prophet said:


[size=20pt]وَيَسْـَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى[/size]

(And they ask you concerning the Ruh (the spirit). Say: "The Ruh (the spirit) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord...'') Surah 17:85



The people of dhirk i:e muslims who invokes Allah a lot (remembrance of God), they know some few things about RUH. Ruh is definitely not only Gabriel, the word is used variably in the Quran. Ruh, according to the people of dhikr, are inside of every human being apart from the two Angels on our shoulders.

Only through the remembrance of Allah we can activate it. There is a lot more to this. I'd better leave this as it is. What is inappropriate is to say Jesus is God just because Allah breaths His ruh in him.

Nowhere in the Bible Jesus claim to be God. Point is even if John 14 and 15 claim Holy Spirit to be sent later, this spirit already existed long before Jesus(p). And the "spirit" mentioned would be visible and his message would abide with mankind forever.

THE ANGEL JIBREEL IN THE QURÁN AND SUNNAH

https://foreverislamic./2012/09/21/the-angel-jibreel-in-the-quran-and-sunnah/



There is no doubt that this is a critical spiritual truth that must be explored. To learn more about this experience, we need to consult the scriptures of the Injil, which has much to say about this important matter. First, notice the wording in the following Injil selection, which is similar to what we found in Surat-ul Mujadila (58):22:


"I pray that out of his glorious riches He (Allah) may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being…."

—Injil, Ephesians 3:16

Quran is very clear:

"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs." Sura 004:171

Why is the verse ^ difficult for you to swallow?. Where did Jesus say he is God because he has the power to send holy spirit?. That's just your assumption