Iblawi1:


Mumu before calling others dumb you should ask yourself why a proper blue water have landing craft and amphibious vessels?

why do navys have helicopter and fighter jets?

Why do they have replenishment ships?

You are a fool.

Why would Egyptian Navy buy mistral class carriers, landing crafts, helicopters?

You don't even have a blue water navy yet fool.
South Africa can't project force anywhere dummy.

Foolish South African with dull brain.

Big 1,800 to 3,300 Tonnes moderately armed navy ships with 76mm main guns and anti-missile decoys are not brown water vessels, their sizes and range are blue water capability.

NNS Thunder, NNS Okpabana, sail from north pole arctic ice zone down to south pole, and voyage far off to the end of the world in Australia, that is blue water capability sailing from one end of the planet to the other.

NNS Ambe Landing Ship Tank is back in service, refit completed 2015/2016, that is a blue water vessel that moved Nigerian tanks and artillery to Liberia and Sierra Leone. That is amphibious capability force projection.

NN controlling the entire Gulf Of Guinea up to SADC in response to Angola's distress call, is true and tested force projection.

Blue water navy and force projection does not mean the ship must carry missiles, the important thing is that It must be armed to meet the level of threat that is to be encounteree on it's mission. That is one thing the South Africans do not know, they think only missiles make blue water or force projection, but no !

There is peace time maritime security blue water missions and force projection, that is what Indian navy signed deal to do with Nigerian navy for long term, India has requested to be allowed to depend on Nigeria's blue ocean capabilities across the Atlantic ocean
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ssaengine:
Iraqi Air Force fires Denel Ingwe ATGM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwey3rDQrqc

Ingwe missile fired at what range in that video? 1 km ?

Did the Ingwe hit designated specific target? No answer.

Okay, you have now abandoned your boasting about South African air force, you now praise Iraqi air force....Arabs better than Zulus-Bantus, alright I agree with you on that, the Iraqis succeed while South Africans fail at home with their own home made equipment

South Africans abandon SAAF and Denel, now praise Iraqi air force and Eurocopter helicopters.... So the Rooivalk helicopter now becomes an orphan child that nobody wants to be his father because he failed his final exams after shïttïng liquid diarrhea pooh-pooh inside it's pänts in a marketing demonstration show in front of the so called 'interested customers' !!!

SANDF is now humbled after international demo disgrace performance
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Iblawi1:


Mumu before calling others dumb you should ask yourself why a proper blue water have landing craft and amphibious vessels?

why do navys have helicopter and fighter jets?

Why do they have replenishment ships?

You are a fool.

Why would Egyptian Navy buy mistral class carriers, landing crafts, helicopters?


You don't even have a blue water navy yet fool.
South Africa can't project force anywhere dummy.

Foolish South African with dull brain.

I can't help your foolishness. There is no cure for stuppiditty.

I repeat. Any navy with frigates and submarines can project force.

Frigates and Submarines make blue water navy assets you stuppid fool. You cannot use them in shallow waters but in deep seas.

Msauza:
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I can't help your foolishness. There is no cure for stuppiditty.

I repeat. Any navy with frigates and submarines can project force.

Frigates and Submarines make blue water navy assets you stuppid fool. You cannot use them in shallow waters but in deep seas.

Foolish comment from a Foolish South African. You will never learn.
Yes maybe you can project force to Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe or Mozambique but not Nigeria except your definition of projecting forces does not include sustaining your forces and returning back home. it will be a suicide mission fool.


You know nothing about projecting forces.

agaugust:


1,800 to 3,300 Tonnes moderately armed navy ships with 76mm main guns and anti-missile decoys are not brown water vessels, their sizes and range are blue water capability.

NNS Thunder, NNS Okpabana, sail from north pole arctic ice zone down to south pole en-route Australia, that is blue water capability sailing from one end of the planet to the other.

NNS Ambe Landing Ship Tank is back in service, refit completed 2015/2016, that is a blue water vessel that moved Nigerian tanks and artillery to Liberia and Sierra Leone.

NN controlling the entire Gulf Of Guinea up to SADC in response to Angola's distress call, is true and tested force projection.

Blue water navy and force projection does not mean the ship must carry missiles. It must be armed to meet the threat that is assigned to it's mission. That is one thing the South Africans do not know, they think only missiles make blue water or force projection, but no !

There is peace time maritime security blue water missions and force projection, that is what Indian navy signed deal to do with Nigerian navy for long term, India has requested to be allowed to depend on Nigeria's blue ocean capabilities across the Atlantic ocean
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Baba thanks o.

Help me educate this dummy.

Iblawi1:


Foolish comment from a Foolish South African. You will never learn.
Yes maybe you can project force to Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe or Mozambique but not Nigeria except your definition of projecting forces does not include sustaining your forces and returning back home. it will be a suicide mission fool.


You know nothing about projecting forces.

Our Navy can project force anywhere in sub-saharan Africa. No country in SSA has submarines or even fully functional frigates.

agaugust:


[s]Big 1,800 to 3,300 Tonnes moderately armed navy ships with 76mm main guns and anti-missile decoys are not brown water vessels, their sizes and range are blue water capability.

NNS Thunder, NNS Okpabana, sail from north pole arctic ice zone down to south pole, and voyage far off to the end of the world in Australia, that is blue water capability sailing from one end of the planet to the other.

NNS Ambe Landing Ship Tank is back in service, refit completed 2015/2016, that is a blue water vessel that moved Nigerian tanks and artillery to Liberia and Sierra Leone. That is amphibious capability force projection.

NN controlling the entire Gulf Of Guinea up to SADC in response to Angola's distress call, is true and tested force projection.

Blue water navy and force projection does not mean the ship must carry missiles, the important thing is that It must be armed to meet the level of threat that is to be encounteree on it's mission. That is one thing the South Africans do not know, they think only missiles make blue water or force projection, but no !

There is peace time maritime security blue water missions and force projection, that is what Indian navy signed deal to do with Nigerian navy for long term, India has requested to be allowed to depend on Nigeria's blue ocean capabilities across the Atlantic ocean
.

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Waste of energy.

Msauza:


Our Navy can project force anywhere in sub-saharan Africa. No country in SSA has submarines or even fully functional frigates.

Do you know what a frigate is? If yes you would know we have 3 frigates. For your information, not all frigates and submarines in South Africa are fully functional as we speak.

Iblawi1:


Do you know what a frigate is? If yes you would know we have 3 frigates. For your information, not all frigates and submarines in South Africa are fully functional as we speak.

you only have 1 frigate, which isn't even operational.

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jln115:

you only have 1 frigate, which isn't even operational.

Even the Indian have used Nilgiri class frigates that was never armed with SAM or SSM.

You guys are confused and you think everyone must think the same way. NNS thunder and NNS okpabana are frigates just like the Indian Nilgiri class frigates.

Nigeria has 3 frigates and 2 OPVs currently.

Iblawi1:


Even the Indian have used Nilgiri class frigates that was never armed with SAM or SSM.

You guys are confused and you think everyone must think the same way. NNS thunder and NNS okpabana are frigates just like the Indian Nilgiri class frigates.

Nigeria has 3 frigates and 2 OPVs currently.

Can someone please tell me when cutters were reclassified as Frigates? When did this happen?

Also the Nilgiri class is over 35 years old, and were commissioned at a time when almost all Frigates had 0 missiles. The reason it's classified as a frigate is because it met the definition of a Frigate back in the 70s.

jln115:

Can someone please tell me when cutters were reclassified as Frigates? When did this happen?

Also the Nilgiri class is over 35 years old, and were commissioned at a time when almost all Frigates had 0 missiles. The reason it's classified as a frigate is because it met the definition of a Frigate back in the 70s.

Lair, NNS Aradu is 35 years old too and it was classified a frigate. Meko360 was armed with missiles with over 80km range 35 years ago. Tell me missiles just came into existence 35 years ago.

The last of the Nilgiri class frigates was decommissioned in 2013 and was decommissioned as a frigate.

jln115:

you only have 1 frigate, which isn't even operational.

Now I truly bliv dis guy is really confused and doesn't knw wat he Is saying.wait, do u even read at all. Are u current, or u r in one of dis Zulu bushes without ntwork. Go and mak finding abt hw many frigates we hav and if dey r functioning.

DonBobes:


Now I truly bliv dis guy is really confused and doesn't knw wat he Is saying.wait, do u even read at all. Are u current, or u r in one of dis Zulu bushes without ntwork. Go and mak finding abt hw many frigates we hav and if dey r functioning.

It is not a shame that you only have one frigate named ARANDU which is even OUT OF ORDER.

Iblawi1:


Even the Indian have used Nilgiri class frigates that was never armed with SAM or SSM.

You guys are confused and you think everyone must think the same way. NNS thunder and NNS okpabana are frigates just like the Indian Nilgiri class frigates.

Nigeria has 3 frigates and 2 OPVs currently.

Your mind really need a serious overhaul. Tell me are you OK?


NNS Okpabana is a former US coast guards cutter. It was never a frigates and is a Hamilton class. Its a navy cutter dummy.

NNS thunder is as well a donation from US Coast guard. A Hamilton-Class Cutter. Never a frigate.


Nigeria currently has zero frigate. ZERO.

Msauza:


Your mind really need a serious overhaul. Tell me are you OK?

Give me reasons why Nilgiri class are referred to as frigate and tell me why NNS thunder and NNS okpabana can't be referred to as frigates.

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Msauza:





NNS Okpabana is a former US coast guards cutter. It was never a frigates and is a Hamilton class. Its a navy cutter dummy.

Now let me educate you a bit. Why is Argentina's meko 360 referred to as a destroyer and Nigerian meko 360 is referred to as a frigate?
You need serious help.

Iblawi1:

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Now let me educate you a bit. Why is Argentina's meko 360 referred to as a destroyer and Nigerian meko 360 is referred to as a frigate?
You need serious help.

Argentinian meko 360 is a frigate same class as ARANDU.

Iblawi1:


Give me reasons why Nilgiri class are referred to as frigate and tell me why NNS thunder and NNS okpabana can't be referred to as frigates.

Frigates are not made frigates because of your choice. The size of the ship and the level of armament as well as what the manufacture say is what finally determines it to be a frigate.

People must stop fooling other people around here. At least we don't leave in countries which are land locked. We can tell what is a frigate when we see one and as well we can tell what is a cutter when we see one. The top part of a frigate and cutter don't look the same and the cutter is smaller than a frigate. A cutter usually reminds you of those ancient pirates ships. Even if is a modern cutter it always takes that shape.

Msauza:




Frigates are not made frigates because of your choice. The size of the ship and the level of armament as well as what the manufacture say is what finally determines it to be a frigate.

The size, tonnage and level of Armaments on the Spanish frigate F 105 is known to all to be a destroyer but the manufacturer and Spanish Navy says it's a frigates.

Same in Germany and in other navies. I guess you problem is because you only follow and believe what you are told without asking questions. Other people always make decisions for you.

Iblawi1:

The size, tonnage and level of Armaments on the Spanish frigate F 105 is known to all to be a destroyer but the manufacturer and Spanish Navy says it's a frigates.

Same in Germany and in other navies. I guess you problem is because you only follow and believe what you are told without asking questions. Other people always make decisions for you.

My Friend destroyers and Frigates do not differ much but a cutter can never be a frigate.

Msauza:
People must stop fooling other people around here. At least we don't leave in countries which are land locked. We can tell what is a frigate when we see one and as well we can tell what is a cutter when we see one. The top part of a frigate and cutter don't look the same and the cutter is smaller than a frigate. A cutter usually reminds you of those ancient pirates ships. Even if is a modern cutter it always takes that shape.

Please can you explain how NNS thunder look like a pirate ship?
Secondly, I guess you don't know the size and tonnage of the NNS thunder and okpabana is almost the same as you Valour frigates.

Msauza:


My Friend destroyers and Frigates do not differ much but a cutter can never be a frigate.

****Tell me corvettes and frigates are same too or you can atleast tell us cruise and frigates are same too because you are confused.

Iblawi1:

Now I just confirmed you are a fool. Tell me corvettes and frigates are same too or you can atleast tell us cruise and frigates are same too because you are confused.

I have never claimed corvette and frigate are the same but what I know is that covettes are smaller and lightly armed than frigates. Destroyers and Frigates are almost the same and that's why some other navy's would use Frigates in place of destroyers. Both can be used for ASW, Air defence, launching torpedoes, etc

The only person confused here is you. Frigates are built to withstand missiles and Cutters and Corvettes can never stand any missile attacks dummy. Only destroyers and Frigates will. So don't come and feed us your half cooked education of ignorance. Cutters are only good to be used as patrol assets.

Rooivalk...20 mm gun at moving target.


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Iblawi1:


Please can you explain how NNS thunder look like a pirate ship?
Secondly, I guess you don't know the size and tonnage of the NNS thunder and okpabana is almost the same as you Valour frigates.

NNS thunder and Okpabana are both Cutters same way as pirates were historically known to use cutters.

You don't even need a rocket scientist to tell you that Hamilton-Class is even smaller than corvettes and is even poorly armed.

Msauza:



I have never claimed corvette and frigate are the same but what I know is that covettes are smaller and lightly armed than frigates. Destroyers and Frigates are almost the same and that's why some other navy's would use Frigates in place of destroyers. Both can be used for ASW, Air defence, launching torpedoes, etc

The only person confused here is you. Frigates are built to withstand missiles and Cutters and Corvettes can never stand any missile attacks dummy. Only destroyers and Frigates will. So don't come and feed us your half cooked education of ignorance. Cutters are only good to be used as patrol assets.

Dummy corvettes with less than 1000 tons are armed with missiles even fast attack boats. You are very confused. Instead frigates can't carry the level of Armaments destroyers carry they are completely different. The only vessels that are that close should be cruisers and destroyers not frigates and destroyers dummy.


You didn't answer my question still.

Iblawi1:


Dummy corvettes with less than 1000 tons are armed with missiles even fast attack boats. You are very confused. Instead frigates can't carry the level of Armaments destroyers carry they are completely different. The only vessels that are that close should be cruisers and destroyers not frigates and destroyers dummy.


You didn't answer my question still.

Frigates can be used for anti submarine warfare, Air defence warfare, launching missiles, torpedoes, etc. The same way destroyers are used for. Frigates are as well built to stand missile impact.

Our topic here is based on whether NNS Thunder and Okpabana are indeed Frigates or not. Let us stop beating about the bush going from pillar to post jumping from one point to another. Let us leave everything else and concentrate on establishing whether is Hamilton-Class a frigate or not.

Msauza:



Frigates can be used for anti submarine warfare, Air defence warfare, launching missiles, torpedoes, etc. The same way destroyers are used for. Frigates are as well built to stand missile impact.

Dummy, even corvettes comes with all this features so should I call them destroyers too.

The capabilities of a frigate is by far different from a destroyer just as the capabilities of a corvette is different from a frigate. The only vessels with such close capabilities should be cruisers and destroyers. A frigate is a frigate and a destroyer is a destroyer.

The size, tonnage and level of Armaments of these vessels differentiate their capabilities. Some destroyers are 3 times the tonnage and size of a frigates and the Armaments differ a lot.