Msauza:
Our topic here is based on whether NNS Thunder and Okpabana are indeed Frigates or not. Let us stop beating about the bush going from pillar to post jumping from one point to another. Let us leave everything else and concentrate on establishing whether is Hamilton-Class a frigate or not.

I ask you why Nilgiri class is referred to a frigate and why the NNS thunder is not since you believe all frigates must have missile launchers and you where saying rubbish, you even posted pics that proved you wrong.

Msauza:


Argentinian meko 360 is a frigate same class as ARANDU.

No, Argentina refer to them as destroyers.

Iblawi1:


Even the Indian have used Nilgiri class frigates that was never armed with SAM or SSM.

You guys are confused and you think everyone must think the same way. NNS thunder and NNS okpabana are frigates just like the Indian Nilgiri class frigates.

Nigeria has 3 frigates and 2 OPVs currently.

Deal with it.

Iblawi1:


Dummy, even corvettes comes with all this features so should I call them destroyers too.

The capabilities of a frigate is by far different from a destroyer just as the capabilities of a corvette is different from a frigate. The only vessels with such close capabilities should be cruisers and destroyers. A frigate is a frigate and a destroyer is a destroyer.

The size, tonnage and level of Armaments of these vessels differentiate their capabilities. Some destroyers are 3 times the tonnage and size of a frigates and the Armaments differ a lot.

You need a psychiatric clinic urgently. Covettes are small and are lightly armed. Mordern Frigates can do whatever destroyers can do dummy. They can shoot down fighters, launch torpedoes, destroy submarines, destroy other ships with ASM, etc. Can do everything that destroyers do

Iblawi1:


Deal with it.

Yes in your dreams. That's where cutters are used as frigates.

Hamilton-Class if used as a frigates will only be a toothless dog that won't even project force beyond Nigeria's shores.

Msauza:




You need a psychiatric clinic urgently. Covettes are small and and lightly armed. Mordern Frigates can do whatever destroyers can do dummy. They can shoot down fighters, launch torpedoes, destroy submarines, destroy other ships with ASM, etc. Can do everything that destroyers do

Fool even corvette are built with such features in mind but that doesn't make them a frigate or even a destroyer.

The capabilities of these vessels are different. The Chinese corvette can even launch missiles with greater greater ranges than your Valour but they were not referred to as frigates. They can shoot down fighters, launch torpedoes, destroy submarines and other fighters too but they are still corvettes because their capability is limited.

Iblawi1:


Fool even corvette are built with such features in mind but that doesn't make them a frigate or even a destroyer.

The capabilities of these vessels are different. The Chinese corvette can even launch missiles with greater greater ranges than your Valour but they were not referred to as frigates. They can shoot down fighters, launch torpedoes, destroy submarines and other fighters too but they are still corvettes because their capability is limited.

Good even cutters can never be frigates. You've just unswered yourself.


Bwahahaha…

Msauza:
Hamilton-Class if used as a frigates will only be a toothless dog that won't even project force beyond Nigeria's shores.

Your Valour class with teeth haven't done anything with it for almost 10 years same as NNS Aradu never had to use its teeth for over 30 years.

Msauza:




Good even cutters can never be frigates. You've just unswered yourself.


Bwahahaha…

The question is what is a frigate?

Did they tell you a frigate is a vessel that can carry SSM and SAM?

Iblawi1:

Your Valour class with teeth haven't done anything thing with its same as NNS Aradu never had to use its teeth for over 30 years.

Bwahahaha… at least we know that we have frigates and can project force anywhere in SSA. Just like we have done in Ivory Coast.

Msauza:


Bwahahaha… at least we know that we have frigates and can project force anywhere in SSA. Just like we have done in Ivory Coast.

Yes, just as I said earlier, they can project force to some part of SSA like Namibia and Mozambique but not Nigeria.

Iblawi1:


The question is what is a frigate?

Did they tell you a frigate is a vessel that can carry SSM and SAM?

Like I told you the frigates is determined by its size, the level of armament it takes and its ability to project force. The manufacturer as well will have a final say what the ship was built for and what level of self defence does it have.

Thanks for the time wasted I have to do some other things.

Msauza:


Like I told you the frigates is determined by its size, the level of armament it takes and its ability to project force. The manufacture as well will have a final say what the ship was built for and what level of self defence does it have.

If that is it. Then we have 3 frigates thanks.

Iblawi1:
Thanks for the time wasted I have to do some other things.

Thanks for acceding to defeat because you saw that your argument was too weak.

Iblawi1:


If that is it. Then we have 3 frigates thanks.

Hamilton class was built as a cutter by manufacturer and Arandu as Frigates but is now OUT OF ORDER meaning you now have zero frigate.

Hamilton-Class cannot launch missile. A ship that cannot launch missile can never be a frigate or even a corvette.

Msauza:
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Hamilton class was built as a cutter by manufacturer and Arandu as Frigates but is now OUT OF ORDER meaning you now have zero frigate.

Your definition never said anything about manufacturer and it never said it must be better armed than any other vessel.

They have the size and tonnage of a frigate and the extent to which it must be armed was not specified anywhere which leave the country to determine that based on threat level in the region.

Iblawi1:


Your definition never said anything about manufacturer and it never said it must be better armed than any other vessel.

They have the size and tonnage of a frigate and the extent to which it must be armed was not specified anywhere which leave the country to determine that based on threat level in the region.

You are a waste, do you that? Frigates were designed for a primary purpose of projecting force and to do battle in deep blue water sea. Tell me how will a cutter have any capability to do that? Frigates have to use sophisticated weapons to intercept enemy in deep seas. A cutter does not fill that role at all. That's why whenever there is a sea battle, Navy will send frigates, submarines and destroyers to the front.

Iblawi1:


Dummy, even corvettes comes with all this features so should I call them destroyers too.

The capabilities of a frigate is by far different from a destroyer just as the capabilities of a corvette is different from a frigate. The only vessels with such close capabilities should be cruisers and destroyers. A frigate is a frigate and a destroyer is a destroyer.

The size, tonnage and level of Armaments of these vessels differentiate their capabilities. Some destroyers are 3 times the tonnage and size of a frigates and the Armaments differ a lot.

What happens if you don't have destroyers? Do you mean you cannot improvise and use one of your frigates to assume the role of a destroyer?

However, you cannot use a cutter as a frigate because a cutter is poorly armed.

Iblawi1:


Lair, NNS Aradu is 35 years old too and it was classified a frigate. Meko360 was armed with missiles with over 80km range 35 years ago. Tell me missiles just came into existence 35 years ago.

The last of the Nilgiri class frigates was decommissioned in 2013 and was decommissioned as a frigate.

The first Nilgiri class was built in the 70s NNS Aradu was commissioned in 1982....ten years later!!

DonBobes:


Now I truly bliv dis guy is really confused and doesn't knw wat he Is saying.wait, do u even read at all. Are u current, or u r in one of dis Zulu bushes without ntwork. Go and mak finding abt hw many frigates we hav and if dey r functioning.

Seems I know more about the NN than you.

The fact is, your navy only has 1 frigate, which isn't operational.

edit.. delete please

Iblawi1:


Give me reasons why Nilgiri class are referred to as frigate and tell me why NNS thunder and NNS okpabana can't be referred to as frigates.

C'mon bro, I understand the need to project a well put together navy, but we can do that without the need for ficticious tales.
Hamilton class cutters are specifically intended for BLUE water PATROL duties, they tag along with carriers, destroyers, cruisers and frigates just fine. Hence their impressive range.



A dolphin isn't a shark

Msauza:




You need a psychiatric clinic urgently. Covettes are small and are lightly armed. Mordern Frigates can do whatever destroyers can do dummy. They can shoot down fighters, launch torpedoes, destroy submarines, destroy other ships with ASM, etc. Can do everything that destroyers do

South African Navy Valour warships have NO torpedoes, your navy has ZERO anti-submarine warfare capabilities. Valour has been downgraded to corvettes by SAN official website due to poor armaments. Exocet 70km, Umkhonto 15 km, Torpedoes NONE !!!

Msauza:


Your mind really need a serious overhaul. Tell me are you OK?


NNS Okpabana is a former US coast guards cutter. It was never a frigates and is a Hamilton class. Its a navy cutter dummy.

NNS thunder is as well a donation from US Coast guard. A Hamilton-Class Cutter. Never a frigate.


Nigeria currently has zero frigate. ZERO.

Msauza:
Our topic here is based on whether NNS Thunder and Okpabana are indeed Frigates or not. Let us stop beating about the bush going from pillar to post jumping from one point to another. Let us leave everything else and concentrate on establishing whether is Hamilton-Class a frigate or not.

They are frigates by design and heavily armed with Harpoon anti-ship missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, Phalanx CIWS, anti-submarine sonar and torpedoes, anti-missile decoys, heavy 127 mm main guns, etc. These weapons were removed by US government because they were too powerful for maritime security duties they were assigned to do.

jln115:

Seems I know more about the NN than you.

The fact is, your navy only has 1 frigate, which isn't operational.

Fact is your navy has only 1 Valour corvette fully armed with right number of anti-ship missiles, and it has ZERO torpedoes, your Valour ship has NO anti-submarine warfare capability. After you arm one fully with anti-ship missiles and keep half load as reserve, all your remaining 3 Valour ships are reduced to anti-piracy OPVs with only main gun to fight at sea
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ssaengine:
Rooivalk...20 mm gun at moving target.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH5_m2PUWyQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Moving target keeps moving despite many shots fired at it by the Rooivalk, target escapes alive !

At what range is SANDF Rooivalk shooting gun ?

Maximum effective range of that F2 gun is only 2 km, reason why Hinds had to help Rooivalk clear out M23 heavy machine guns in Congo DRC with far superior Mi-35 cannon firepower and range, after safety was created by the Mi-35, then the rebel worthy Rooivalk flew in to use it's weaker TOY GUN !

Lol...see the South Africans now boasting about GUN ARMED ROOIVALK HELICOPTER, they no longer talk about Denel Mokopa missiles armed Rooivalk.

# South Africans Now Eating The Hmble Pie In Their Defence Industry Advertisements


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@Patches has run away from this forum since two days now, he is waiting for the Roovalk + Mokopa + Gripen + SANDF + Denel PUBLIC DISGRACE to be forgotten....LOL.

agaugust:


Fact is your navy has only 1 Valour corvette fully armed with right number of anti-ship missiles, and it has ZERO torpedoes, your Valour ship has NO anti-submarine warfare capability. After you arm one fully with anti-ship missiles and keep half load as reserve, all your remaining 3 Valour ships are reduced to anti-piracy OPVs with only main gun to fight at sea
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Do I need to tell you that your Navy has zero frigate and 50% of its fleet is written off? We are far better off than you


Bwahahahahaha

agaugust:


[s]Moving target keeps moving despite many shots fired at it by the Rooivalk, target escapes alive !

At what range is SANDF Rooivalk shooting gun ?

Maximum effective range of that F2 gun is only 2 km, reason why Hinds had to help Rooivalk clear out M23 heavy machine guns in Congo DRC with far superior Mi-35 cannon firepower and range, after safety was created by the Mi-35, then the rebel worthy Rooivalk flew in to use it's weaker TOY GUN !

Lol...see the South Africans now boasting about GUN ARMED ROOIVALK HELICOPTER, they no longer talk about Denel Mokopa missiles armed Rooivalk.

# South Africans Now Eating The Hmble Pie In Their Defence Industry Advertisements


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I wonder if the psychiatrist would even be able to treat your mental disease. You only see what others cannot see like a mad man. Waste of energy.