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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Goke7: 3:48pm On Feb 20, 2016
grandstar:


How many years does it take for a palm tree to fruit?

Truth be told, if an Indonesian company was offered 100,000 jectares of free land, it only can meet the shortfall.

But it does very little for the country.

Nigeria's problem is exports and not imports

So what is the big deal in exports?
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Empredboy(m): 3:51pm On Feb 20, 2016
swtdrms:

Don't mind the idiot MAN chairman, i had to reread the caption to be sure its not traders association saying this. What exactly are the raw materials that can't be sourced locally, let him list them.
and the chairman said the government should give the members 18 months to prepare themselves. My question, raw materials that they can't get now how will they get it with 18months. Since example of RAW MATERIALS are trees, wood, crops, minerals. He should tell us which of the raw materials.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by oduastates: 3:53pm On Feb 20, 2016
LordVoldemort:


The items include the following:

Rice
Cement
Margarine
Palm kernel/Palm oil products/vegetables oils
Meat and processed meat products
Vegetables and processed vegetable products
Poultry chicken, eggs, turkey
Private airplanes/jets
Indian incense
Tinned fish in sauce(Geisha)/sardines
Cold rolled steel sheets
Galvanized steel sheets
Roofing sheets
Wheelbarrows
Head pans
Metal boxes and containers
Enamelware
Steel drums
Steel pipes
Wire rods(deformed and not deformed)
Iron rods and reinforcing bard
Wire mesh
Steel nails
Security  and razor wine
Wood particle boards and panels
Wood Fibre Boards and Panels
Plywood boards and panels
Wooden doors
Toothpicks
Glass and Glassware
Kitchen utensils
Tableware
Tiles-vitrified and ceramic
Textiles
Woven fabrics
Clothes
Plastic and rubber products, polypropylene granules , cellophane wrappers
Soap and cosmetics
Tomatoes/tomato pastes
Eurobond/foreign currency bond/ share purchases

Thank you for the list . I am going to use it
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by lastpage: 3:55pm On Feb 20, 2016
AustineE1:
One day we will all wake up to the realization that we are living in a failed economy,PMB seems to be on a mission to cripple this economy,all the economic gains of past administration has been put on auto-reverse.
Oh Nigeria,a paradise lost...my heart bleeds.

Make una Sharrap joor!

Even M.A.N refused to name the items involved so we can vouch and see if it is TRUE!

"Economic gains of the last regime" my foot!

If you want CBN forex, STATE THE ITEM you want to use it to buy PUBLICLY...... and let us see if it cannot be sourced locally.

Innoson Motors is smiling to the bank, because he is being patronised
Many other local manufactures and Agric farmers are smiling because their products are being patronised, yet some #WAILERS are still living in the past "election failure"?


Buhari & CBN should ban more items...... and let those who insists on those items, to source their Forex themselves.
It is not a MUST that CBN and Nigerians must fund your "foreign appetite, for foreign goods".


Anybody wey wan die, make im die



Lastpage!

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by asha80(m): 3:58pm On Feb 20, 2016
grandstar:


It is easier said than done.

One of the product is pslm oil. The country needs 2m tons but only produces 1m tons. The balsnce is Imported.

Do you think Nigeria can make up the shortfall in a month? How long does it take for a palm tree to fruit?
why the fuccck should we import palm oil when adapalm in ohaji as big as it is is lying largely fallow? That is what Goke7 is trying to tell you..we should use our brain and force these huge raw materials lying fallow to to feed these industries..how you wondered what if adapalm ohaji and abia palms were functioning at full capacity?

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Nicur: 3:59pm On Feb 20, 2016
so this shows that MAN was not consulted before the BAN?? So how did the government arrived at what and what should be BANNED without consulting the stakeholders?? THIS IS A DEFINITION OF CLUELESSNESS!!! angry

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Empredboy(m): 4:00pm On Feb 20, 2016
sinkhole:
It is the fault of news reporting in Nigeria, they should have asked the MAN person to list some of the raw materials! But meanwhile, we know that machines and vehicles spare parts are raw materials that are not made in Nigeria, electronic components are also not made in Nigeria and so on!
They are not in the list.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by acenazt: 4:04pm On Feb 20, 2016
ShowYourCertificate:
Buhari is the biggest and oldest dullard alive. He doesn't even know simple economics. And it seems he has infected his cabinet members with his dullardness grin
my dear wise man. It seems u r d one devoid of simple economic knowledge.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by acenazt: 4:10pm On Feb 20, 2016
asha80:
why the fuccck should we import palm oil when adapalm in ohaji as big as it is is lying largely fallow? That is what Goke7 is trying to tell you..we should use our brain and force these huge raw materials lying fallow to to feed these industries..how you wondered what if adapalm ohaji and abia palms were functioning at full capacity?
correct pesin. U just spoke the truest truth excuse my english. Some people are plain hypocrites and their views r purely sentimental. They will c d truth and intentionally fail to acknowledge it. What if those firms are operational? Who stands 2 gain?
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by LordVoldemort(m): 4:12pm On Feb 20, 2016
LRNZH:


And we cannot source for many of these or alternatives back home in Nigeria? I wonder o.

The crazy thing is I don't see an item on that list that we can't actually source locally
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Greatvision: 4:13pm On Feb 20, 2016
ShowYourCertificate:
Buhari is the biggest and oldest dullard alive. He doesn't even know simple economics. And it seems he has infected his cabinet members with his dullardness grin
How will you feel if somebody referred to your father in such a manner? Somebody who holds a position that all your family members can only dream about......... I pity this generation of rude and classless educated illiterate. Shame!!!

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Eluwilussit(m): 4:18pm On Feb 20, 2016
Goke7:


Stop playing the ethnic card here, Innoson is getting more demand for their cars as we speak, shebi their chairman na Hausa man abi? What a shame

Southerners dey import goods. Northerners dey sell money. Which one come be ethnic card. This is how the north has always cheated the south. If you like, dey there dey pretend. Wake up. Buhari is never known for doing anything that will benefit every section of the country.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by MrGerald(m): 4:21pm On Feb 20, 2016
LRNZH:


Something is amiss here. How can a MAN chairman make such appeal without listing in the least, a few of these items that are essential raw materials?

Or is the CBN suppose to start guessing which of the 680 item is essential to MAN members?
You're not in a position to know, he said re-appeal, they've appealed to them before and given them the items, so go and sit down!!

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by LRNZH(m): 4:23pm On Feb 20, 2016
MrGerald:
You're not in a position to know, he said re-appeal, they've appealed to them before and given them the items, so go and sit down!!

The MAN chairman came to the court of public opinion to cry out. He is obligated to list the items so the public has a clear picture of what he is crying about.
I hope you have learnt something today.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Reference(m): 4:24pm On Feb 20, 2016
Dollarchap:
Devaluation of currency cannot in any way help our economy. Nigerian economy is import driven. Until we shift our focus from oil and begin to export non-oil products and still maintain positive balance of payments, devaluation will continue to kill our economy. I think the problem is that our government considered only our external reserves when they devalued the currency. But what of the other macro economic variables?
Government should please reverse this policy for the sake of small and medium scale enterprises.

That is what you chaps said about fuel subsidy. That it cannot be removed. Then you threw away 5 trillion naira then removed it anyway. Slow in thought, wasteful in acts, reprobate people condemned to suffering and slavery to Shell Petroleum. Don't devalue na. The black market. The real market has no respect for the CBN because the real economy is NOT controlled by the CBN. Devaluation or floating your currency is the only way to regain control.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Coolcash1: 4:24pm On Feb 20, 2016
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ShowYourCertificate:
Buhari is the biggest and oldest dullard alive. He doesn't even know simple economics. And it seems he has infected his cabinet members with his dullardness grin

O ya receive sense...Is PMB the one that approved massive looting of the treasury...You PDP e-rats should just bury your head in shame...Thank God the ineffectual buffon didn't come back. It would have been disastrous.

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by talktonase(m): 4:25pm On Feb 20, 2016
Elijahrona2:

God forbid
God is busy watching us as we bring the economy down to its knees.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by MrGerald(m): 4:25pm On Feb 20, 2016
phantonce:
They can give us a time frame of between 18 months and two years to develop the local product capacity for the items before including them in the list.

So this people actually had no plan to stop importation before.
They could actually source the raw material locally but just decided to import them
Nigerians and their reasoning, so in your imagination this policy is war against a section of the country and you still hope Nigeria will be great?.. looooolllllzzzzz!!

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by FLYFIRE(m): 4:34pm On Feb 20, 2016
Ecoterrorism:
do you think its evey raw material that can be sourced locally? Tone down your insults to get an Abrahamic age
Don't mind the IDIOTS. If you abuse them back the idiotic mods will ban you. That's the problem with COWARDS like apc. They call but can't take calls. That's why after getting in by propaganda they are fighting to keep people quiet. I am VERY SURE SOME nairaland mods are on lai's payroll....Aisha jollof eaters.

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Nobody: 4:40pm On Feb 20, 2016
LRNZH:
What are these items that are essential raw materials? Let's hear what they are.

thank-you o, the other day one of them was begging Saraki to remove tomato puree from banned items, meanwhile there is a glut of raw tomato production in the country now. Instead of the idiot manufacturers to ask for forex to procure machinery so they can manufacture their own tomato paste from local tomatoes like Erisco, they still want to waste our forex to use us as a dumping ground for EU subsidized overproduction of tomatoes.


http://www.tribuneonlineng.com/cbn-forex-restriction-on-imported-goods-to-stay-%E2%80%94saraki
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by olajizz01(m): 4:40pm On Feb 20, 2016
fitzmayowa:



The more reason why nigerians should always ask the kind of "CHANGE" they want, when next someone comes screaming "CHANGE"...SMH
If it is 'Transformation agenda'things would have gone worst more than this.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by MsFaith: 4:41pm On Feb 20, 2016
The truth is Nigeria has to be forced to become a manufacturing country (a producer) not just a consumer

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by vivaciousvivi(f): 4:43pm On Feb 20, 2016
LegatusGlaber:
Why don't they list those important raw materials, who knows we might find a way of making them here. Otherwise, this is nothing but an emotional appeal and veiled threat
The list is freely available even on Nigerian customs website.
Guardian newspaper carried it a while back as well. Those who import are fully aware of this.

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Nobody: 4:47pm On Feb 20, 2016
LordVoldemort:


The items include the following:

Rice
Cement
Margarine
Palm kernel/Palm oil products/vegetables oils
Meat and processed meat products
Vegetables and processed vegetable products
Poultry chicken, eggs, turkey
Private airplanes/jets
Indian incense
Tinned fish in sauce(Geisha)/sardines
Cold rolled steel sheets
Galvanized steel sheets
Roofing sheets
Wheelbarrows
Head pans
Metal boxes and containers
Enamelware
Steel drums
Steel pipes
Wire rods(deformed and not deformed)
Iron rods and reinforcing bard
Wire mesh
Steel nails
Security  and razor wine
Wood particle boards and panels
Wood Fibre Boards and Panels
Plywood boards and panels
Wooden doors
Toothpicks
Glass and Glassware
Kitchen utensils
Tableware
Tiles-vitrified and ceramic
Textiles
Woven fabrics
Clothes
Plastic and rubber products, polypropylene granules , cellophane wrappers
Soap and cosmetics
Tomatoes/tomato pastes
Eurobond/foreign currency bond/ share purchases

We have no business importing any of these things, at the very least not with CBN forex
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Reference(m): 4:49pm On Feb 20, 2016
Saifullah01:
MAN should realise that PMB is trying to optimise the utility of our current reserves subject to a constraint of falling oil prices and unlimited 'raw materials' to be put on that list. So my advice is this:


As unauthodox as it may seem this is a time for Nigeria to boost its local industries. This is like a protectionist regime imposed by the government for local manufacturing to take advantage of by governments refusial to devalue.

I was in kaduna yesterday and met with one of sokoto state government officials, he told me he was coming back from inoson motors HQ to discuss the possibility of supplying 800 sedans to the state government (and am very sure other states are looking towards that direction too).
My fear is does inoson motors have the capacity to service this sudden interest in their motors. So rather than MAN complain on government FX policies they should encourage their members to seize the opportunity. I expect inoson motors to drag CBN top officials to their plant - just like dangote did to his refinery - and secure commitment from the CBN to prioritise them if they choose to request FX for expansion of operations.

I read an article once in the Harvard business review about international businesses in China, the author was complaining about how it takes more than 6 months to obtain a 1 year business permit in China! (You think that was just because of bureaucracy? ). That was their government delibrately protecting local companies from foreign competitors. Little wonder Chinese companies are number 1 in all sector of their economy.

And those that feel devaluation provides some sort of silver bullet, if we devalue then what?

Devaluation is meant to reduce the pressure on governments scarce dollar reserves by freeing it up for "other purposes". But by banning non essential items (call controlled devaluation) government has effectively freed up FX for essential purpose or "other purposes" like importation of raw materials and spare parts for local manufacturing. So let's not get it twisted, devaluation of the naira won't bring down the price the perfume (Montale - black auod) I coughed out 39k naira to buy online to 19k naira.

Oga stop this thing you are talking. If you go to market and they tell you there is an Innoson sedan officially sold for 1 million under lock and key due to scarcity and the same model goes for 2 million, won't you cry out especially when some of your fellow competing taxi drivers are getting it for 1 million.

It is only free market that makes for competition that increases productivity and drives down prices. No one will invest and those inside will opt out if this skewed monetary regime is maintained.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by JuanDeDios: 4:53pm On Feb 20, 2016
igwe123:

Lol, the dullar.d is a superhuman to his zombies, any advise should be treated as IPOB sabotage. Yeye ppl
I'm with the zombies on this one. I had to read the article twice hoping to find the items.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Bitterleafsoup: 5:01pm On Feb 20, 2016
Saifullah01:
MAN should realise that PMB is trying to optimise the utility of our current reserves subject to a constraint of falling oil prices and unlimited 'raw materials' to be put on that list. So my advice is this:


As unauthodox as it may seem this is a time for Nigeria to boost its local industries. This is like a protectionist regime imposed by the government for local manufacturing to take advantage of by governments refusial to devalue.

I was in kaduna yesterday and met with one of sokoto state government officials, he told me he was coming back from inoson motors HQ to discuss the possibility of supplying 800 sedans to the state government (and am very sure other states are looking towards that direction too).
My fear is does inoson motors have the capacity to service this sudden interest in their motors. So rather than MAN complain on government FX policies they should encourage their members to seize the opportunity. I expect inoson motors to drag CBN top officials to their plant - just like dangote did to his refinery - and secure commitment from the CBN to prioritise them if they choose to request FX for expansion of operations.

I read an article once in the Harvard business review about international businesses in China, the author was complaining about how it takes more than 6 months to obtain a 1 year business permit in China! (You think that was just because of bureaucracy? ). That was their government delibrately protecting local companies from foreign competitors. Little wonder Chinese companies are number 1 in all sector of their economy.

And those that feel devaluation provides some sort of silver bullet, if we devalue then what?

Devaluation is meant to reduce the pressure on governments scarce dollar reserves by freeing it up for "other purposes". But by banning non essential items (call controlled devaluation) government has effectively freed up FX for essential purpose or "other purposes" like importation of raw materials and spare parts for local manufacturing. So let's not get it twisted, devaluation of the naira won't bring down the price the perfume (Montale - black auod) I coughed out 39k naira to buy online to 19k naira.
This is correct and I expect it to be mandatory that the Nigerian government buy cars made in Nigeria and support the academic programs geared toward manufacturing vehicle's and make sure the indigenous companies have sufficient capital to fund research and international sales and marketing departments. If Innosan is in every country, that alone will boost the Nigerian economy.

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Goke7: 5:04pm On Feb 20, 2016
asha80:
why the fuccck should we import palm oil when adapalm in ohaji as big as it is is lying largely fallow? That is what Goke7 is trying to tell you..we should use our brain and force these huge raw materials lying fallow to to feed these industries..how you wondered what if adapalm ohaji and abia palms were functioning at full capacity?

Thanks a lot, if more Nigerians are thinking like this, then we are on our way to recovery.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Goke7: 5:08pm On Feb 20, 2016
Reference:


Oga stop this thing you are talking. If you go to market and they tell you there is an Innoson sedan officially sold for 1 million under lock and key due to scarcity and the same model goes for 2 million, won't you cry out especially when some of your fellow competing taxi drivers are getting it for 1 million.

It is only free market that makes for competition that increases productivity and drives down prices. No one will invest and those inside will opt out if this skewed monetary regime is maintained.

Na grammar u de talk, Innoson would only spur more similar companies to spring up. Nigerians like to emulate successful companies by starting their own so keep your excuse to yourself.
Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Goke7: 5:12pm On Feb 20, 2016
lookandlaff:


thank-you o, the other day one of them was begging Saraki to remove tomato puree from banned items, meanwhile there is a glut of raw tomato production in the country now. Instead of the idiot manufacturers to ask for forex to procure machinery so they can manufacture their own tomato paste from local tomatoes like Erisco, they still want to waste our forex to use us as a dumping ground for EU subsidized overproduction of tomatoes.


http://www.tribuneonlineng.com/cbn-forex-restriction-on-imported-goods-to-stay-%E2%80%94saraki

The funny thing is that owners of companies like erosco and innoson are from same region as the main atagonists of the tight FX rules.

We don't like ourselves in this country, we only use ethnic bias for our personal gains and not even to advance our regions.

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by grandstar(m): 5:16pm On Feb 20, 2016
Goke7:


So what is the big deal in exports?

All countries that have become giants have done so on the shouder of exports.

Look at Nigeria and what crude oil exports has done for the country. Imagine if Nigeria had 5 sectors like that

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Re: Many Companies Will Start Closing Shop Due To CBN Forex Policy – MAN by Nobody: 5:17pm On Feb 20, 2016
Goke7:


The funny thing is that owners of companies like erosco and innoson are from same region as the main atagonists of the tight FX rules.

We don't like ourselves in this country, we only use ethnic bias for our personal gains and not even to advance our regions.

Most of the people making noise even from their manner of delivery you can tell are ignorant and poorly educated, focused more on sentiment than facts/reason. Unfortunately they are plenty.

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