FOLYKAZE:


Abeg move to the otherside. Olorun is not Jehovah. . . .you have been schooled

You're the one who should be gone already.................just move in your direction>>>>yaba left.

FOLYKAZE:


Br=s make I no lie you. I dont know anything about what your question. I dont have answers either. Maybe I should call on Macof, 9jacrip. I believe they will help you with answers.

Ire

Egbon yi lasan, ari'ku 'yeri niyin o.

Emi na o mo o.

Thankyou Brother. But wahalla dey ooo, We no know the heavenly bodies that surrounds us in our own mother tongue, We don't know the name of the galatical core from whence we came in Yoruba. How we go come know celestial alignment and arrangements?

We no try small, We have to findout from Our Elders.

9jacrip:


Egbon yi lasan, ari'ku 'yeri niyin o.

Emi na o mo o.

9jacrip:


Egbon yi lasan, ari'ku 'yeri niyin o.

Emi na o mo o.

Egbon longest time o.

Na something wey I know I go talk about o. I no fit dey form Sabino.

I have read some articles from the AA who are into Iseese which discuss Orisha and their representaion in Stars, gallaxy and solar system. I think this is all new thoughts.

As Amoye Agba, you should be able to provide us answer.

FOLYKAZE:


Egbon longest time o.

Na something wey I know I go talk about o. I no fit dey form Sabino.

I have read some articles from the AA who are into Iseese which discuss Orisha and their representaion in Stars, gallaxy and solar system. I think this is all new thoughts.

As Amoye Agba, you should be able to provide us answer.

Omo see wyning, amoye agba keh?

Maybe Baba AbsoluteSuccess may be able to help.

We know star is irawo and moon is osupa, we may havr name for other planetary figures.

Baba, e ba wa wadi si ni around yin.

thorpido:
Olorun means the Lord of heavens.
It doesn't matter how some people interpret it in their ignorance,the meaning of the word is what is important.

There is only one God and He is Olorun - Lord of heavens.

He is the lord of the Seas too. Shall we call him Olokun? Would you be happy to pray to Olokun?

PastorAIO:


He is the lord of the Seas too. Shall we call him Olokun? Would you be happy to pray to Olokun?

Psalm 115:3 says,'But our God is in the heavens...'He doesn't dwell in the seas so why call Him the Lord of the seas?
Again,Acts 17:14 says,'He being Lord of the heavens and the earth ....'The seas are in the earth so why call Him Lord of the seas when He is Lord of all that is in the earth therein?
Like I said earlier,in Christianity,there is the understanding (note,not an understanding but the understanding)that you must have to walk in the right path or else you will walk in ignorance.

thorpido:
Psalm 115:3 says,'But our God is in the heavens...'He doesn't dwell in the seas so why call Him the Lord of the seas?
Again,Acts 17:14 says,'He being Lord of the heavens and the earth ....'The seas are in the earth so why call Him Lord of the seas when He is Lord of all that is in the earth therein?
Like I said earlier,in Christianity,there is the understanding (note,not an understanding but the understanding)that you must have to walk in the right path or else you will walk in ignorance.

Oooh! So it is not what he is Lord of but where he lives abi?

So Olorun is still a misnomer. He should be called Ara Orun. Olu definitely means lordship in yoruba.

Now Uranus, the greek God, dwells in the heavens too. Can you call your God Uranus? ( not your anus o, Uranus)

Or could you call him Anu, Sumerian God of the sky.

Or Indra, as the Hindu's call him?

Again,Acts 17:14 says,'He being Lord of the heavens and the earth ....'The seas are in the earth so why call Him Lord of the seas when He is Lord of all that is in the earth therein?

Why specify heaven when, as you say, he is the lord of heaven and earth.

Could you also call him Ebora Ile?

Whether it is the understanding or an understanding if it is stupidity it is stupidity, there is no way out.

PastorAIO:


Oooh! So it is not what he is Lord of but where he lives abi?

So Olorun is still a misnomer. He should be called Ara Orun. Olu definitely means lordship in yoruba.

Now Uranus, the greek God, dwells in the heavens too. Can you call your God Uranus? ( not your anus o, Uranus)

Or could you call him Anu, Sumerian God of the sky.

Or Indra, as the Hindu's call him?



Why specify heaven when, as you say, he is the lord of heaven and earth.

Could you also call him Ebora Ile?

Whether it is the understanding or an understanding if it is stupidity it is stupidity, there is no way out.

It's simple enough but you guys just want to make it hard.What do you understand by the scripture below?

Thus says the LORD,'Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool............'(Isaiah 66:1).If i may ask you,where is He if heaven is His throne and the earth His footstool?

I don't know about Uranus dwelling in the heaven you created for it.

If you can't see a difference between the understanding and an understanding,you should ask your english teacher for a refund for doing a poor job.

thorpido:
It's simple enough but you guys just want to make it hard.What do you understand by the scripture below?

Thus says the LORD,'Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool............'(Isaiah 66:1).If i may ask you,where is He if heaven is His throne and the earth His footstool?

So he is not omnipresent anymore? If it is about cherry picking verses and tossing them about then what do you say about this verse:

4I will not give sleep to my eyes Or slumber to my eyelids, 5Until I find a place for the LORD, A dwelling place for the Mighty One of Jacob." Psalm 132.

I don't know about Uranus dwelling in the heaven you created for it.

Please sir, excuse me, this might seem childish but you walked straight into it. A throne is where you place your bum, is it not? So if Heaven is your throne, then without question Heaven is where Uranus is.

If you can't see a difference between the understanding and an understanding,you should ask your english teacher for a refund for doing a poor job.

And if you cannot see the irrelevance of the distinction you are making to the matter at hand then perhaps you need a lobotomy. I repeat, stupidity will always remain stupidity whether it resides in 'an understanding' or 'the understanding' of a matter.

PastorAIO:


So he is not omnipresent anymore? If it is about cherry picking verses and tossing them about then what do you say about this verse:

4I will not give sleep to my eyes Or slumber to my eyelids, 5Until I find a place for the LORD, A dwelling place for the Mighty One of Jacob." Psalm 132.




Please sir, excuse me, this might seem childish but you walked straight into it. A throne is where you place your bum, is it not? So if Heaven is your throne, then without question Heaven is where Uranus is.



And if you cannot see the irrelevance of the distinction you are making to the matter at hand then perhaps you need a lobotomy. I repeat, stupidity will always remain stupidity whether it resides in 'an understanding' or 'the understanding' of a matter.

You people who argue about scriptures do so because you won't read and have a full comprehension of scriptures.
David(a man) said,i will not give sleep to my eyes or slumber to my eyelids until i find a place for the LORD,a dwelling place for the Mighty One of Jacob.

God's response is,'go and tell my servant David,this is what the Lord says;are you the one to build me a house to dwell in?(2 Sam.7:5).
He further said in Isaiah66:1-2,..Heaven is my throne,and the earth is my footstool:where is the house that ye build unto me?and where is the place of my rest?For all those things hath mine hand made,and all those things have been,saith the Lord.....'.Match the verse you quoted with the verses i've shown you.Do you understand it?

What has lobotomy got to do with comprehension of english?You think it's about quoting big english?Again i say to you,if you can't see a difference between the understanding and an understanding,your english teacher didn't do a good job.

Pastoraio pls take it easy on that Christilad. The uppercuts is too much for him

Hahahahahaha! Of course, true to form, you will be the only one who has a full comprehension of scriptures. Let us then look at it in full, for those of us who lack the full comprehension, maybe you can explain it for us. Please take note of the parts that I highlight so you can explanation it for us who lacking the/an understanding. Oya …


Remember, O Lord, in David's favor,
all the hardships he endured,
2 how he swore to the Lord
and vowed to the Mighty One of Jacob,
3 “I will not enter my house
or get into my bed,
4 I will not give sleep to my eyes
or slumber to my eyelids,
5 until I find a place for the Lord,
a dwelling place for the Mighty One of Jacob.”
6 Behold, we heard of it in Ephrathah;
we found it in the fields of Jaar.
7 “Let us go to his dwelling place;
let us worship at his footstool!”
8 Arise, O Lord, and go to your resting place,
you and the ark of your might.
9 Let your priests be clothed with righteousness,
and let your saints shout for joy.
10 For the sake of your servant David,
do not turn away the face of your anointed one.
11 The Lord swore to David a sure oath
from which he will not turn back:
“One of the sons of your body[a]
I will set on your throne.
12 If your sons keep my covenant
and my testimonies that I shall teach them,
their sons also forever
shall sit on your throne.”
13 For the Lord has chosen Zion;
he has desired it for his dwelling place:
14 “This is my resting place forever;
here I will dwell, for I have desired it.
15 I will abundantly bless her provisions;
I will satisfy her poor with bread.
16 Her priests I will clothe with salvation,
and her saints will shout for joy.
17 There I will make a horn to sprout for David;
I have prepared a lamp for my anointed.
18 His enemies I will clothe with shame,
but on him his crown will shine.”

That last quotation, abeg, who is speaking? David, the man, or Yahweh, the God?

Pulling a contrary verse from another part of the bible only tells us another thing, that the bible contradicts itself.

What has lobotomy got to do with comprehension of english?You think it's about quoting big english?Again i say to you,if you can't see a difference between the understanding and an understanding,your english teacher didn't do a good job.

Lobotomy had nothing to do with comprehension of english, neither had anything else on this thread so I don't know from which angle you want to force english comprehension into this matter. Lobotomy was about your inability to follow a simple argument and to form a coherent one in response.

Can I make a deal with you? If I tell you the difference between the definite and the indefinite articles "The" and "a", would you tell me what bearing it has on why we cannot call Yahweh Olokun?

thorpido:
You people who argue about scriptures do so because you won't read and have a full comprehension of scriptures.
David(a man) said,i will not give sleep to my eyes or slumber to my eyelids until i find a place for the LORD,a dwelling place for the Mighty One of Jacob.

God's response is,'go and tell my servant David,this is what the Lord says;are you the one to build me a house to dwell in?(2 Sam.7:5).
He further said in Isaiah66:1-2,..Heaven is my throne,and the earth is my footstool:where is the house that ye build unto me?and where is the place of my rest?For all those things hath mine hand made,and all those things have been,saith the Lord.....'.Match the verse you quoted with the verses i've shown you.Do you understand it?

What has lobotomy got to do with comprehension of english?You think it's about quoting big english?Again i say to you,if you can't see a difference between the understanding and an understanding,your english teacher didn't do a good job.

PastorAIO:
Hahahahahaha! Of course, true to form,
that the bible contradicts itself.

I could explain scriptures to you but your words in bold helps to see where you are coming from.Even if I called a spade a spade,you will argue till tomorrow that it's a gardening tool.............true to form using your own words.

We as humans are the ones who call God names.God alone defines Himself perfectly.Whatever you choose you call.

Wish you well with your lobotomy.

Peace.

FOLYKAZE:
Pastoraio pls take it easy on that Christilad. The uppercuts is too much for him

Your words are childish.No wonder your sense of reasoning.

thorpido:
I could explain scriptures to you but your words in bold helps to see where you are coming from.Even if I called a spade a spade,you will argue till tomorrow that it's a gardening tool.............true to form using your own words.

We as humans are the ones who call God names.God alone defines Himself perfectly.Whatever you choose you call.

Wish you well with your lobotomy.

Peace.

Lame!!

Would that be 'a spade' or 'the spade'?

thorpido:
Olorun means the Lord of heavens.
It doesn't matter how some people interpret it in their ignorance,the meaning of the word is what is important.

There is only one God and He is Olorun - Lord of heavens.

But if a muslim says Allah is the same as Jehovah they will start to shake like say spirit catch them. Very deluded, inconsistent, befuddled, lunatics.

Maybe its all that work he does on mentally ill patients as he claims here:

thorpido:
You started by letting the whole world know you are a fool because you put that in your words.I can't be bitter,especially not with people like you.I take care of ill people so I understand where people like you are coming from.

Of course there is a good chance that it's a lie, after all such people are well known for hating truth and loving lies.

But if we are to give him the benefit of the doubt then maybe that is where his mental distress comes from cos he works with mentally deranged people, after all it is mental health workers that come under the most risk of damaging their own mental health as is widely known.

PastorAIO:


But if a muslim says Allah is the same as Jehovah they will start to shake like say spirit catch them. Very deluded, inconsistent, befuddled, lunatics.

Maybe its all that work he does on mentally ill patients as he claims here:


Of course there is a good chance that it's a lie, after all such people are well known for hating truth and loving lies.

But if we are to give him the benefit of the doubt then maybe that is where his mental distress comes from cos he works with mentally deranged people, after all it is mental health workers that come under the most risk of damaging their own mental health as is widely known.

I just found a classic case of someone with bipolar illness here.You can tell from the way of talking/writing.Many mentally ill people actually think everyone around them is mad.
Isn't it amazing that one can even diagnose a psychiatric case online?
Be gone with your mental illness and stop disturbing my mentions!

thorpido:
I just found a classic case of someone with bipolar illness here.You can tell from the way of talking/writing.Many mentally ill people actually think everyone around them is mad.
Isn't it amazing that one can even diagnose a psychiatric case online?
Be gone with your mental illness and stop disturbing my mentions!

thorpido:
I know your antecedents.Now you're sounding like the yaba left residents.

Go and take your drugs

thorpido:

Answer a fool according to his folly,lest he be wise in his own conceit. (Prov.26:5)
You've got selective amnesia or is it bipolar?

thorpido:
You're the one who should be gone already.................just move in your direction>>>>yaba left.

Hmmm… who has been going around identifying mad men. It's interesting how people like to expose themselves inadvertently.

thorpido:
I just found a classic case of someone with bipolar illness here.You can tell from the way of talking/writing.Many mentally ill people actually think everyone around them is mad.
Isn't it amazing that one can even diagnose a psychiatric case online?
Be gone with your mental illness and stop disturbing my mentions!

Sorry, please can you clarify for me, was it A psychiatric case or The psychiatric case?

PastorAIO:


Sorry, please can you clarify for me, was it A psychiatric case or The psychiatric case?

Unless you take your drugs,even if I told you,you won't be able to tell the difference.

Pastor, do you know this guy before or there is something else about him that pissed you off? Bros, you are becoming too raw on him. I have never seen you loose your cool. It is just an argument. . . .your points are what we need. You dont need to drag with a pig in the mud.

FOLYKAZE:
Pastor, do you know this guy before or there is something else about him that pissed you off? Bros, you are becoming too raw on him. I have never seen you loose your cool. It is just an argument. . . .your points are what we need. You dont need to drag with a pig in the mud.

Ouch! I didn't think it was that obvious. To be honest people like this have always irritated me, but I usually hold it down. I made a conscious decision to change tact a little bit. Well, I thought it was only a little bit but obviously it was more than a little.

I'll explain. I've been thinking on some discussions over the years on NL and it suddenly dawned on me that in any discussion there are two or maybe more levels to the discussion.

On the most ostensible level it is just a comparing of arguments for and against a case. On this level the argument that holds more water or is logically superior is the one that wins out.

However there are other levels. First off, Homo sapiens sapiens is a social animal, and Human societies are hierarchical, like chimpanzees and wolves and other social animals. There are a limited set positions in the society to be filled. Every human interaction is a jostling for a position.

This jostling for position has the effect of distorting some very straight forward debates. For example there could be a position of an ideological leader. Who gets to fill this position? The person who is right! Abi?

Let me give you some examples that I've noticed of how these jostlings distort debates.

1) Someone in an assumed leadership position gets into a debate with someone else. He is arguing A, the other person is arguing B. At some point in the discussion the assumed Leader who is arguing A realises that he is wrong and that B is the correct argument. Does he capitulate? No! Hell no!!
He grabs the B argument and starts arguing it and claims that that is what he was arguing since and that it was the other guy arguing A. You see, to continue to adhere to A would mean he was lose his position and the position is too sweet to give up like that. I've seen too many discussion like that in the real world. In fact you can see many examples of it in this presidential race going on in USA right now. Hillary Clinton claiming to have held many opinions that in fact the records show that she actually argued for the opposite previously. These people are totally unprincipled. It is not the principles that matter, but the social position, so they are ready to changed whatever argument just to maintain their position. Usually it works with face to face verbal discussion but you won't see it so much here on Internet forums where you can just post a link straight to the previous claims. But I've been gobsmacked in many a face to face discussion where I saw it happen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

2) This one happened to me recently. There was this oyinbo guy that likes to play the know-it-all guru type of character. Now you know there are many english words that we say in the former colonies that are not really in current usage in England. One such word is 'Vex'. So I was discussing with his guy and I said something like, 'yeah, I was really vexed'. I could read the guys face that he didn't know what I meant. Instead of him to just humbly ask what vex meant, he pumped up his chest and took a superior posture and said, ' Now I want you to say that again but using different words'. I saw what was going on straight away. He felt threatened just because of a simple word that he didn't know.
You usually see similar things amongst pastors in churches. They are just incapable of admitting there are some things that they don't know.

3) The one that is most common on NL though is when one realises that he is losing an argument and cannot sustain his assumed social position by arguing points, he then resorts to invective and belittling the person he is arguing with. I used to get frustrated because I really wanted to stay on point with the argument, but the orderliness and logic was being scattered into a free for all slinging match. I realise now that at this point the whole point of the discussion for them is not to demonstrate the validity of their argument but rather to maintain the sense of social superiority that they've concocted for themselves in their conceit.
Now check this statement:

thorpido:
Olorun means the Lord of heavens.
It doesn't matter how some people interpret it in their ignorance ,the meaning of the word is what is important.

There is only one God and He is Olorun - Lord of heavens.

He takes a position of assumed knowledge from which he can point others out to be ignorant. It doesn't take him long to degenerate into name calling and calling people bi-polar. Just as soon as he realised that his arguments could not hold a candle to yours. He has to double down and reinforce his sense of superiority. At this point arguing further would be of no use. He as abandoned the argumentation path.

Olaadegbu is another master at abandoning argumentation when things get hot. In fact most holier than thou, superiority attitude christians resort to it quick time when faced with probing questions.
There was another guy called Enigma who practiced a variation of it where he would act all dismissive as if the pertinent question was beneath him to answer and he was use that wuruwuru to wriggle out tough corners and while it was obvious he was a farce, at least for himself it seemed that he was still able to hold his head high. (It seemed… only god knows what turmoil they actually face within).

Another mark of people who think like so is that if you ever, in your honesty, admit to being wrong, or apologise for a mistake, they try to run a mile with it as if it is trophy. They themselves are totally incapable of doing such even if they were so blatantly wrong. Obviously because they realise that modesty will result in a loss of position.


I hope this is not too long o, but I'm about to reach my point and conclusion which is to explain why I'm apparently loosing my cool with this guy. I'm not actually loosing my cool. I'm experimenting and enjoying myself in the process. Since he has abandoned the argumentation process and is resorting to insults I've decided to play the social position game with him and see if I can knock him off his perch with a little bit of ridicule and other bits of rhetorical rocks and sticks that I will cast in his direction. To be honest I'm in uncharted territory here and I don't really know what I'm doing but I'm sure that I will forge a methodology out of all this after some time.

9jacrip:


Omo see wyning, amoye agba keh?

Maybe Baba AbsoluteSuccess may be able to help.

We know star is irawo and moon is osupa, we may havr name for other planetary figures.

Baba, e ba wa wadi si ni around yin.

Big brothers, so sorry I'm not on time.

Taking care of yanpanyanrin stuff that odia ofeimun fed us with.

I have once contemplated on the meaning of the term olorun, and I like to share my findings.

The word is olorun, or O~lo~run, as its pronounced.

Although the Muslim Yoruba do claim the word is 'Olohun Oba' for apparent reason 'Allahu (Akbar)'.

Olorun means 'one to whom consummation belongs'.

Of course we can juxtapose that with Judaic mantra, 'the Lord our God is consuming fire.'

Orun is a central word to Yoruba history, let's look at it's meaning in comparative uses.

Orun (sky) meaning 'that which perishes'. With that, Yoruba word for sky is 'perishable'.

So, what is perishable about the sky? Day by day, one day is born and the last day perished.

You are dishonest and mischievously so. Why are you relating to Yahweh when you're not Greek? Yahweh is Greek, God is English and the Yoruba equivalent is Olorun. Any problems in understanding that? The Word Olo in Yoruba is the same as Olu, Oni, Ala etc as in Alake, Alafin etc too. As it's in English Bible Concordance,where God can be referred to as King and Father in Heaven, so Olorun is known in Yoruba as Oba and Baba wa ti mbe li Orun.

That I might help you, Yahweh a Greek language for God is also a Yoruba language for Olorun.

Olorun is God! Oluwa is Lord! Lord God is Oluwa Olorun, mind your language too. God governs all Spirits. The Lord governs all Creations which include humans.

In all these, mind your language, lest you smoke ignorantly.

I only know the #holy trinity in one (God the father God the son(jesus)and God the holy spirit)
thanks any other thinq is ur concept not mine

Purerealist:
I can't believe as an athiest I'm the one telling you this. Yahweh is Yahweh. That's his name, you don't need to translate it. He is a god though, but he has a name. Calling him olorun is just like you are worshiping a Yoruba deity. How would you feel if I called you another name just because someone else has your attributes.

The passage below might interest you.

“Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.”

“For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.”

‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬
http://bible.com/1/act.17.23.kjv
http://bible.com/1/act.17.22.kjv

Purerealist:
Recently I just observed that olorun or eludumare or oluwa is not the christian god "Yahweh", according to yoruba history, olorun had many sons and daughters, in fact obatala and oduduwa were his sons, but Yahweh had only one son according to the bible. Only if our christian brothers and sisters would know this when they praise olorun in churches.

Olu orun -Olorun.........Dont you think you should examine your head??You just came here to vomit ignorance.....

Purerealist:
Recently I just observed that olorun or eludumare or oluwa is not the christian god "Yahweh", according to yoruba history, olorun had many sons and daughters, in fact obatala and oduduwa were his sons, but Yahweh had only one son according to the bible. Only if our christian brothers and sisters would know this when they praise olorun in churches.

You are so much on point...

Deorum 14: 12-22

:

12. Now in the land where Olorun had chosen to stay, he stood on a mountain and dwelt there until he had his children. And two of them, namely Obatala, the first of them, and Odua, the second, began to demand of their parents that it was time for them to go to the earth below. And Olorun said, should I let you down like the eagles let down their eaglets?
13. Then did Odua reply, saying, father, we have no wings to fly, how then shall you cast us down like the eaglets? Let us go with the chain rather, for I fear for my life.
14. And Obatala said, he is not strong enough. Father, you can let me down and I shall stand on my feet as soon as my feet touch the ground.
15. Then Olorun smiled and said, go with the chains, because I cannot risk losing you both the same day. And Olorun tied the chain to a metal object nailed into the mountain and let down the chain.
16. Then he gave them some tepexes of the soil. Now the two children descended with the chains and began to spread the tepex on the ground.
17. And the air mixed with the tepex to form many living beings. And they began to spread within their lands. And the gods taught them languages and geography, making them to believe that the whole earth was all they had seen.
18. Now there was a god named Eshu, whose craftiness in the land of the children of Odua was only comparable to that of Nymphidis. And Eshu was he who deceived the children of Odua such that they were amazed at his craftiness.
19. When many homos had emerged in the land, Eshu told the homos that Olorun needed their sacrifice. Then in multitude, they made much sacrifice to Olorun who had nothing to do with it.
20. Then Eshu would take the sacrifices of goats and sheep and cattle to his rock and feed on them. This he did daily until Olorun was told of it. And when Olorun heard of it, he warned him to stop using his name to exploit the people. Then Eshu ceased for a while, doing the same thing in the name of Olokun, the river goddess of that land.
21. And there was much confusion in the land of Odua, because Eshu had deceived so many of them. And many who were enthralled with the ways of Eshu began to serve him, such that he taught them a lot of cunning ways of dealing with lives. And he was as wise as the serpent of Ephradite.
22. And Obatala, the brother of Odua gave birth to Osun who was the wife of Shango. And Shango loved war and thunder like Nymphidis, though the two of them had never met each other, because Shango was only a son to one of the gods like Faulkin, while Nymphidis was made directly by Reverad.