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Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by PastorAIO: 12:34pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
UyiIredia: actually you did say something that can't be observed from here as well as something that is not of the material world. But if you change it to something that doesn't exist in the material world then ok. This leads to some further questions. Are angels material beings or immaterial beings? If they are immaterial then how come the bible is full of many encounters with angels. Surely that would mean that they were being observed from the material world. By the way I haven't given any definition of my own yet so I don't know what you mean about tallying with my definition. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by UyiIredia(m): 4:01pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
PastorAIO: No I didn't say that. Go back and read the statement you quoted. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by PastorAIO: 5:34pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
UyiIredia: Here it is again. Rub your eyes well before you read it, maybe there are some traces of sleep still distorting your vision. Jack Bizzle also quoted it and it is the same thing. UyiIredia: Then you forgot to answer about Angels, whether they are material or not, and how come they can be observed from here. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by Nobody: 9:11pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
wiegraf:Still European, just older? |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by wiegraf: 5:01am On Feb 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: There are also some prison experiments in a similar vain IRRC, even worse ethically IMO I guess they're god is like the warden in those experiments, or the doctors in these ones.... hehehe 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by wiegraf: 5:15am On Feb 23, 2016 |
Muafrika2: Japanese, ~1500. And that era was a bit of a dark age for them due to warring. they consider a few eras before that to be culturally superior, so there were likely quite a few 'prominent' folk before him that were atheistic as well Anyways, it wasn't exactly controversial to them, seemingly at all sef, so I wouldn't expect too much info. then again, he did burn down some rather significant temples Apparently women and children included.... tbf to him though, they had insisted on mixing church and state for centuries. He well left alone (and encouraged) the sects that minded their business. Note; above is essentially talking from my nyash, I'll need to confirm, so take with a grain of salt for now 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 10:03am On Feb 23, 2016 |
CoolUsername: You don't have proof that he's making himself a deity. But there's adequate proof that millions of North Koreans are Atheists and are indoctrinated with many things like propaganda against the west, love for the "Dear Leader," etc. I don't know how you're on this earth yet ignorant of these things. Are you saying to me that an Atheist cannot be indoctrinated? Please don't say it. Even your fellow Atheists know that's a daft opinion. CoolUsername: 1. Miracles happen every day. 2. Science fails everyday. CoolUsername: Prove that they worship him as deity! You're the disingenuous one. People who worship money, are they worshiping it as deity? If you're so ignorant, grab a dictionary and look up "worship." CoolUsername: Show me where the meaning of Atheism says anything about charity, as you're attempting to do with worship. There is nothing that says Atheism excludes worship and includes charity. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 10:31am On Feb 23, 2016 |
JackBizzle: So who is right between you and plaetton according to logic? |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 10:35am On Feb 23, 2016 |
JackBizzle: Coolusername disagrees with you. He thinks atheism prevents people from indoctrination. Who is right, according to logic? |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 10:36am On Feb 23, 2016 |
JackBizzle: Who invented hospices then? Your village Atheists? |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by UyiIredia(m): 11:48am On Feb 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Angels live in the spiritual realm that can be seen. When they manifest in our realm they are observed like any other thing. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by PastorAIO: 12:15pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
UyiIredia: UyiIredia: So when we observe them are they material or immaterial? Is the spiritual realm material or immaterial? Are you saying that there is a spiritual realm that can be seen, and then a spiritual realm that cannot be seen? |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by JackBizzle: 12:50pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
italo: No one. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by JackBizzle: 12:51pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
italo: He is wrong of course |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by UyiIredia(m): 4:09pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Not necessarily. Sometimes they can be observed in their spiritual form and sometimes can manifest so anyone's sees them. The spiritual realm is unseen. End of story. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 8:48pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by PastorAIO: 9:36pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
UyiIredia: So a spiritual form can be material? |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by JackBizzle: 10:47pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
italo: Who invented fire? Who invented bow and arrows? Popularizing something that was already common in different cultures across the world does not give the catholic church the right to claim that it invented it. Stop lying for the catholic church |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 7:47am On Feb 24, 2016 |
JackBizzle: Prove that hospices were existing before the Catholic Church invented them. Prove that any single body runs more schools, hospitals and charities than the Catholic Church. Prove that any other organization has contributed 5% of what the Catholic Church has contributed to western civilization. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by JackBizzle: 8:31am On Feb 24, 2016 |
italo: You are still claiming that the catholic church invented hospices? You are such a liar. Do you think you are bringing anyone to christ with your catholic propaganda? Like a deceitful politician, you only talk about the good side of your party (the catholic church) while denying or omitting the bad side. -the crusades and mass murders -the systematic use of torture and torture devices - the involvement in and support of slavery -the cover ups of pedophile priests -the suppression of scientific knowledge -the bribery, corruption and murders within papal politics -the embezzlement and fraud within the vatican bank |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 8:39am On Feb 24, 2016 |
JackBizzle: So you cant: Prove that hospices were existing before the Catholic Church invented them. Prove that any single body runs more schools, hospitals and charities than the Catholic Church. Prove that any other organization has contributed 5% of what the Catholic Church has contributed to western civilization. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by Geist(m): 1:29pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
JackBizzle:For a non idiot illogical shouldn't be a difficult word to find. I did ask if there was any difference at the beginning of my post. OK. Do you believe in the quote below? In your views doesn't it sum up what all who claim to be an atheist should believe in? Can a child or even an adult be taught and trained to believe in such? Doest the below equate to a creed? All things can be explained as the product of unintentional, undirected, purposeless evolution. No truth claim is acceptable if it cannot be subjected to scientific scrutiny.If you claim not to hold these believe then I must ask for the basis of your rejection or disbelief in God. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by wiegraf: 2:10pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
italo: Make up your mind bros... When your clergy are rap1ng little boys and aiding the mafia, it is not the Church's doing When they give to charity, suddenly it is the Church's doing 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by JackBizzle: 11:03pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
wiegraf: Italo is a slave for the catholic church. He will hype anything positive for the church while denying all the negatives 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by JackBizzle: 11:06pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
Geist: The quote is absolute and it is wrong. Not all atheists are scientists and science cant prove everything. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by Geist(m): 11:57pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
JackBizzle:I also asked for the basis of your disbelief in a God or gods Edit: you also dodged the first sentence of the quote. Please address it. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by CoolUsername: 12:41am On Feb 25, 2016 |
JackBizzle: Just for the record this is what I said: "It (atheism) allows people break out of indoctrination and have an identity of their own" I did not say that a person cannot be indoctrinated into atheism, I only stated that atheism is a product of breaking out of religious indoctrination and thinking for oneself. Italo just took what I said out context for his/her own nefarious purposes. Bye-bye! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by chaosattractor(f): 3:03am On Feb 25, 2016 |
Please don't say you're an atheist if what you really mean is that you're opposed to Abrahamic religion. It's so reactionary. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:10am On Feb 25, 2016 |
CoolUsername: OK. So Atheism doesn't prevent indoctrination. Religion also allows people to break free from Atheistic indoctrination. Mention one Atheist who is/was not indoctrinated with something. Just one. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:29am On Feb 25, 2016 |
wiegraf: Let me educate you. When the official Church teaching and policy promotes and supports giving to charity, setting up charity homes etc...and members, arms of the Church and the whole Church itself do what the Church asks, with the full legal, spiritual and material backing of the whole universal Church...then we can rightly say: The Catholic Church is the biggest Charity in the world. But when the official teaching and laws of the Church prohibits see outside of marriage, yet members, top officials of the Church defy the Church and rape little boys, we cannot say the Catholic Church is raping little boys. We say Fr X or Msgr Y is raping little boys in contravention of the laws of the Church. When a Governor or minister is stealing money, you don't say Nigeria is stealing money. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:46am On Feb 25, 2016 |
JackBizzle: Which negative did I deny? Show me where the Catholic Church ever taught a negative? You're just trying to dodge from the uselessness of Atheism to humanity by attacking the Church. The Church didn't make Atheism useless and destructive to humanity. |
Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by chaosattractor(f): 7:39am On Feb 25, 2016 |
The Catholic Church with its history is a disgrace to the human species to be quite frank. I don't blame the laypeople sha, it's only Stockholm Syndrome that will drive someone to keep licking the anus of those that are shitting all over them. |
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