Tellemall:


Atheists problem is Christians and Christianity.

You always have a grouse with the Christian creation theory and that's why you all subscribe to the big bang theory. That's a belief, though.

You always have a problem when religious people attack gays. The only religious people who are constantly criticized for doing so, with bible quotes are Christians. It seems no other religion is against it. It seems only Christians are against gays. It seems atheists are biased.

Whenever there is a call to fight religion by atheists, you all pick up your paddles and go whacking away at Christians. Are Christians the only religious people on the earth? Do other theists not disagree with atheists? Why always pick on Christianity?

Whenever there is a Christian thread proclaiming a miracle of sorts, atheists must be present. They can't even dare comment rabidly in the Mohammedan section the way they disrespectfully and daftly come after Christians. Why? Are Christians the only religious people?

Anytime there is something to condemn, even if Buddhists are airing their views, the atheist will come in so pained, so wounded, so incensed, so miserable and begin the attack on the Christians. Why?

Speechless3 has a very good point.

GeneralShepherd:


The problem is that we atheists are actually telling you Christians the lies of our father, satan that your religion is an illusion

orisa37:
Christ is The Faith that Atheist wish to forget. Christ is The Issue that Atheist wish to make a non issue.

opeaceo:


1. Stewardship Ministries

2. Healing Wings Christian Fellowship

3. Latter rain Assembly ( I'm not too sure of this).

4. The Church of Christ

Ghost01:
Swerve!

opeaceo:


Haaan, it is our belief it our lives, your belief your life, after all said and done, energy expended, time taken, nobody shifts a notch, nobody learns, nobody get entertained, then why the stress?

Tellemall:


Atheists problem is Christians and Christianity.

You always have a grouse with the Christian creation theory and that's why you all subscribe to the big bang theory. That's a belief, though.

You always have a problem when religious people attack gays. The only religious people who are constantly criticized for doing so, with bible quotes are Christians. It seems no other religion is against it. It seems only Christians are against gays. It seems atheists are biased.

Whenever there is a call to fight religion by atheists, you all pick up your paddles and go whacking away at Christians. Are Christians the only religious people on the earth? Do other theists not disagree with atheists? Why always pick on Christianity?

Whenever there is a Christian thread proclaiming a miracle of sorts, atheists must be present. They can't even dare comment rabidly in the Mohammedan section the way they disrespectfully and daftly come after Christians. Why? Are Christians the only religious people?

Anytime there is something to condemn, even if Buddhists are airing their views, the atheist will come in so pained, so wounded, so incensed, so miserable and begin the attack on the Christians. Why?

Speechless3 has a very good point.

cloudgoddess:
Most atheists I'm aware of criticize Christianity and Islam relatively equally. But the reasons to target Christianity directly are pretty obvious - it's leading as the most pervasive, influencial, and powerful religious force in most parts of Nigeria and the western world. It allows for so much delusion (modern day "prophecies" that all contradict eachother), misinformation (especially regarding science), brainwashing (of children and gullible churchgoers ready to give up their hard earned money for "blessings" ), and all around inhibition of the potential of the human race.

No one is attacking Buddhists or Hindus because for the most part, they aren't dumbing everyone down, denying science, stealing people's money, corrupting governments, and all the other unpleasant things Christianity tends to do.

cloudgoddess:

1. The big bang theory is NOT A BELIEF for crying out loud. It's a scientifically-supported collection of explanations based on OBSERVATIONS OF THE NATURAL WORLD. It could be wrong, absolutely - the scientific method always allows for the possibility of wrong predictions. But with the EVIDENCE that we have, the likelihood of it being wrong is very slim. Red shift has proven that the universe is constantly expanding, even now - all celestial bodies that we are able to observe are moving further away from eachother by several kilometers a year. We can measure that. There is cosmic radiation that we can detect via machines we have in our planetary orbit, that indicate backlash from a prior massive release of energy. We KNOW that the universe is in constant motion, we can observe stars and galaxies colliding all the time with telescopes and other tools.

This is GOOD evidence to support that at one point, there was a very small area of energy and mass that expanded over a very large amount of time into the modern universe, and that that expansion is still occuring. How, to you, is this indication of baseless belief? How is this anything like believing that an extremely human-like, emotional, ego-driven "god" figure literally poofed the earth and every planetary body into existence as they presently are, simply because he felt like it? What evidence is there to support such an idea? Because modern day scientists have not found any; instead they have discovered a massive amount of evidence to the contrary. For that reason, creation really can't even be considered a theory, at least not in the scientific sense. There isn't any peer-reviewed evidence supporting it, which is necessary in science for something to go from a hypothesis to a theory.

2. Please view my earlier post on why Christian thought specifically is attacked the most.

Tellemall:


If it's not a belief, why do you believe it? You stake out your faith on it, don't you?

cloudgoddess:

Because there is evidence, as I just summarized for you if you actually read it. Reliable and repeatedly confirmed evidence is the only way us humans can ever confidently know anything (without just lying to ourselves). If evidence was released that proved that the universe was standing still, that planets and galaxies didn't collide, that there is no cosmic radiation, then as a reasonable person I'd obviously be forced to change my mind about the validity of the big bang theory. But that still wouldn't result in me believing in creationism, all I would know at that point was that the big bang isn't true.

You stake out your faith on it, don't you?
What do you mean by this?

Tellemall:


You strongly believe there is no God. Faith is belief. That's the thing your inner man lives by. And it's an illusion.

The only people who you atheists have a problem with, because they believe in a supreme being, are the Christians. You always say it's an illusion. So your disbelief is a form of belief and is an illusion.

Anyway, I'm done on this. People believe what they want to believe in. All beliefs are right, except when they are wrong. Like atheism is wrong.


Added: the whole operation of science on hypothesis, evidence then theory only applies in things not of faith. Any scientist can tell you that. The mind is a different place entirely. Science can't hold it down. Until I see a recreation of the big bang that produced intelligent life, I'll never believe it. It had no evidence so far.

Tellemall:


You strongly believe there is no God. Faith is belief. That's the thing your inner man lives by. And it's an illusion.

The only people who you atheists have a problem with, because they believe in a supreme being, are the Christians. You always say it's an illusion. So your disbelief is a form of belief and is an illusion.

Anyway, I'm done on this. People believe what they want to believe in. All beliefs are right, except when they are wrong. Like atheism is wrong.


Added: the whole operation of science on hypothesis, evidence then theory only applies in things not of faith. Any scientist can tell you that. The mind is a different place entirely. Science can't hold it down. Until I see a recreation of the big bang that produced intelligent life, I'll never believe it. It had no evidence so far.

GeneralShepherd:


Do you actually think that every experiment can be recreated in the lab?

The sun is just a tiny fraction of the energy that was released from the big bang, and now you are asking scientists to recreate the big bang just that you may believe.

Science does not wish to make anyone belive in anything, infact you are encouraged to challenge the big bang theory that is how science grows. However, you can not just challenge the big bang theory based on what is written in the bible.

Read other scientific works, study the theory and dismantle it's merits. If your argument is validitated through a peer-review process, You will gain instant global recognition as the man that stated the improbability of the big bang theory.

cloudgoddess:

It feels like you are skewing definitions to support your view and posing non-sequitor arguments. Essentially the meaning of "faith" is believing in something in the absense of evidence - so of course that's out of the realm of science, because science only operates based on evidence. Science would not be possible (more relateably, this computer you are using and the modern medicine you depend on would not even exist) if "faith" positions were held with equal weight as evidence-based positions.

How exactly could such a recreation be produced? And where is the recreation of a god entity placing the universe into its present position? Why is it that you easily disregard the evidence for the big bang, yet see no issue with the desperate lack of evidence for your position? If evidence isn't backing your position, then what is? Could it be sheer indoctrination?

I responded to your edit, and covered the rest of what you said in this post.

Also, if you're still here, have you read any books, watched any documentaries, or taken any courses on the topics we're presently discussing (the big bang, evolution, astrophysics, neuroscience)? Please be honest. Because its very common of the types of arguments you're attempting to make to be a result of lack of education in these areas.

In case you don't respond, I'll just recommend some books here that I've read which clarified these topics nicely for me. Hopefully someone checks them out.
A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking
World reknowned physicist gives a thorough explanation of time, the universe, and the big bang.
Origins: Fourteen Billion Years of Cosmic Evolution by Neil Degrasse Tyson
World-renowned black astrophysisist explains the big bang and many other astrophysical phenomena.
Undeniable: Evolution and the Science of Creation by Bill Nye
Bill Nye, famous science educator and engineer gives an easily digestible introduction to evolution, its important position as the uniting force behind biology, and the current body of scientific evidence behind it.
Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
Nobel Prize winner and psychiatrist explains thought and the mind, with evolutionary explanations for our most common mental thinking patterns.

Tellemall:


Now you've got a new defense for science and atheism.

Do you think that every experiment can be recreated in the lab? You say.

Tellemall:


Of course, since that is the backbone of most atheism, the fact that there was a big bang. Because atheists tout science like it's everything to them.

Tellemall:


Such an occurrence is so random, why do you feel it's what brought about mankind?. If you cannot replicate the big bang that brought about intelligent life as your evidence, then do not look down on creation the way Christians say it happened.

Tellemall:


Your description of the process by which scientific works are noted is irrelevant. It doesn't answer my questions or make your big bang theory more plausible. It simply shows the randomness of what atheists subscribe to. Atheists sound like everything can be scientifically explained. If that is so, why can't the scientists recreate a big bang?

Tellemall:


Science suddenly doesn't need believers, so why do atheists try to explain everything away with science?

OK. I'm done. This whole atheism thing will never be convincing enough. What's the proof of atheism? Religious people have miracles but what do atheists have? Doubt in everything and not one bit of evidence.

Tellemall:


Atheism is too vague and has no evidence.

But hey, it's a free world. You can believe that you don't believe in God or that you do believe in him. After all, we are all chasing illusions.

GeneralShepherd:


Try and wrap your head around our solar system, the inherent energy in it. Now consider that our solar system is like a grain of sand on a beach when compared with the whole universe. There are over a billion Suns in the universe, just our sun can supply us with all the energy we need for 10billion years.

Now how do you recreate the bang that expanded to form this universe, including the biillions of Suns,planets, moons in a lab, considering the amount of energy involved ?




There is no central creed in atheism.

For most atheists like myself, the primary reason I dismiss the existence of a God/Gods is that there is no evidence for any.

Please note that atheism and science are not the same. Science is the systemic study of nature and atheism is a disbelief in gods and the supernatural. You don't need to be a scientist to be an atheist and I know alot Christians that are scientists. Don't conflate the two.

It is rather unfortunate that religion and science disagree on so many issues.



I don't mean to insult you but you are very ignorant about the big bang theory.

The big bang theory does not address the origin of mankind, man evolved from a simple life form to a complex life form.

The big bang theory attempts to explain the origin of the universe. The big bang theory also has not attempted to address the state of things before the bang. It simply states said that if the universe has always been expanding, it makes logical sense that it used to be a singularity.

Do we know how the singularity that exploded came to be? No. Do we know how the simple life form that started the evolutionary process came to be? No

But a lot of people are working hard to answer these questions, not disprove a God but to further human knowledge.

The problem with religion is that it makes absurd claims with no proof which actually go against common sense and logic. Eg Creation story.



You do not understand the big bang theory. Study it first then revert back to me.





I cannot speak for every atheist but the reason I refer to science on the creation story is because it makes no sense whatsoever. Even as an igbo man, we have our own creation story like the Jews. Why should I believe the Jewish version over the Igbo version? Yet both makes no sense at all whatsoever, they are both ludicrous and absurd



Atheism does not make any claim and therefore does not need to provide any evidence.

The burden of proof is on the claimant. I hope this helps

Tellemall:


1. You don't mean to insult me, but you do anyway. I'm not ignorant. I'm simply unmoved.

2. Atheism bases itself on scientific claims most of the time, and you know it does. How else to disprove religious people if not to go on about science and how it has evidence that religion doesn't have?

I don't care how much energy is needed. If you say it happens then let it happen, PROVE IT. GIVE US THE EVIDENCE YOU ALWAYS DEMAND BEFORE YOU BELIEVE. Where the energy comes from, I can't care. Isn't science advanced enough? If it cannot be recreated then it cannot exist because that means it's a hypothesis and needs evidence to back it up. Surely science can come up with better than telling us everything was a singularity? Surely they can explain what happened to cause the expansion? Surely they know what particles were involved? CERN doesn't know and cannot recreate the particles?

As far as I'm concerned, the big bang isn't a theory. I am very familiar with it but it's a far fetched imagination that thought it up. Show us a big bang and we shall believe. Pangea is easier to believe because plates are still in motion presently.

3. Atheism is believing there is no God. Isn't that belief? That was what cloudgoddess said, not me. She said faith is belief in the absence of evidence.

4. I won't respond to this anymore. The whole "educated" and "scientific" parts that seem to highlight perceived "ignorance" on my part are just tiring. Being so "knowledgeable" must be tiring too. Trying to believe there is no God takes one through the abstract world of physics and chemistry. We don't get to see subatomic particles on a daily basis...

5. Really, I'm done.

6. Smh. Everybody who doesn't believe in what you believe in must be "ignorant".

Thanks.

analice107:

Pls take a minute and consider Satan's antics since Eden.

Satan to Eve: Did God say you shd not...?

It's the same thing as saying;
Satan to Jesus : If you say you are the son of God, turn this stones to bread.

Now consider this.

Athiests: If God exists, let him show Himself physically then we will believe. If not, he doesn't exist.

Satan: If Jesus says he is the son of God, let him throw himself down from this high mountain, if not, he is not the son of God.

It's like Satan saying all over again, if you say you are God (having the power to do all things) then appear physically let people see you.

It's not as if he can't, because he did. Christ was God in the flesh.

Consider also the fact that these atheists claim they are the elit, the intelligent ones, yet becomes dumb when it comes to them using their intelligence to differentiate between a spirit and flesh. The spiritual realm and the natural realm.

@Onetract wants a physical evidence of God, forgetting that God has physically manifested himself in Christ.
Satan went to Jesus looking for evidence, atheists are here looking for evidence.

Onetrack, why have you not demanded that Energy and wind takes a form and stand before you so that you can believes they actually exists?
Guy, tell your master, Satan to come up with another Card. This one is over used.

@ops, when you see atheists robbing their mouths in lslamic issues, it's just so, we won't say their attack is only against Christians and Christianity. Its actually is.
Satan's challenge is against Yahweh not allahh. If Satan ever challenged allahh, let the Muslims post the passage here.


Atheism is a branch of Satanism.
Satan declared himself God, he doesn't worship another. Atheists declare themselves gods, they don't worship another.
Atheism is Satan's religion.
I read on net that atheists have come up with a name for their faith. It's called the OMEGA FAITH.
When you see them trolling everything Christ's and Christianity, you shd know, they need that soul. I hear now in America, they go to hospitals evangelizing to folk afflicted with deadly diseases, telling them not to be afraid of death, because there's nothing on the other side.

My concern is, if there's nothing on the other side, WHY THEN ARE THEY WORKING SO HARD? now they even go for evangelism to turn people away from Christ? Why?
God doesn't exist, then go, eat and make merry.
You see? This is why I believe Christianity is true.
A tree that bears no fruits, recieves no stones.

Tellemall:


If you cannot replicate the big bang that brought about intelligent life as your evidence, then do not look down on creation the way Christians say it happened.

Your description of the process by which scientific works are noted is irrelevant. It doesn't answer my questions or make your big bang theory more plausible. It simply shows the randomness of what atheists subscribe to. Atheists sound like everything can be scientifically explained. If that is so, why can't the scientists recreate a big bang?

Science suddenly doesn't need believers, so why do atheists try to explain everything away with science?

OK. I'm done. This whole atheism thing will never be convincing enough. What's the proof of atheism? Religious people have miracles but what do atheists have? Doubt in everything and not one bit of

Atheism is too vague and has no evidence.

But hey, it's a free world. You can believe that you don't believe in God or that you do believe in him. After all, we are all chasing illusions.

Speechless3:
Tellemall Nice one! I trust people who use their brains, not people who run to the lab over every little thing like crybabies

Speechless3:
Tellemall Nice one! I trust people who use their brains, not people who run to the lab over every little thing like crybabies

cloudgoddess:

Did this statement really make sense to you when you typed it out? Because it indicates so much bigotry, entitlement, and incomprehensible ignorance, that I can't fathom any educated adult typing such a thing.

"Running to the lab" is exactly what made this computer you're using, the cellphone you own, the television you watch, the medicine that probably keeps you alive, and even the food you currently eat (almost all the foods we eat have been genetically engineered for taste, size, quantity, etc) possible. How about you try living without all the things science and rigorous inquiry (not prayer, the bible, or religion) gave you before you have the audacity to mock it? Go and live in the forest with only you and your bible and see how well you fare without people "running to the lab like crybabies". Seriously sickening to read.

This is a perfect example of what religion does to people; the part of your brain meant for logical thought has effectively been turned off -- making you the perfect pawn for greedy pastors to feed off of. Your ignorance lines their pocketbooks and keeps Nigeria in the dark ages while secular societies are soaring.

You and Tellemall are some of the most textbook-worthy cases of the Dunning-Kruger effect I've seen recently on these forums (not that you likely know what that means either). There's really nothing I can do for people like you anymore except pity you. Hopefully you come to your senses one day but with this level of denial combined with such an alarming lack of education, I'm doubtful.

cloudgoddess:

Did this statement really make sense to you when you typed it out? Because it indicates so much bigotry, entitlement, and incomprehensible ignorance, that I can't fathom any educated adult typing such a thing.

"Running to the lab" is exactly what made this computer you're using, the cellphone you own, the television you watch, the medicine that probably keeps you alive, and even the food you currently eat (almost all the foods we eat have been genetically engineered for taste, size, quantity, etc) possible. How about you try living without all the things science and rigorous inquiry (not prayer, the bible, or religion) gave you before you have the audacity to mock it? Go and live in the forest with only you and your bible and see how well you fare without people "running to the lab like crybabies". Seriously sickening to read.

This is a perfect example of what religion does to people; the part of your brain meant for logical thought has effectively been turned off -- making you the perfect pawn for greedy pastors to feed off of. Your ignorance lines their pocketbooks and keeps Nigeria in the dark ages while secular societies are soaring.

You and Tellemall are some of the most textbook-worthy cases of the Dunning-Kruger effect I've seen recently on these forums (not that you likely know what that means either). There's really nothing I can do for people like you anymore except pity you. Hopefully you come to your senses one day but with this level of denial combined with such an alarming lack of education, I'm doubtful.

onetrack:


Plenty of us atheists attack other religions, particularly Islam. You just have to look a bit harder.

By the way, we don't attack Christians, we attack Christianity. There is a difference.

misterbear:


No Speechless3 is right. Atheists - especially in the west - do tend to concentrate exclusively on Christianity and often appear to give other religions a free pass. If you listen to the public speeches of Richard Dawkins during the past decade, and if you read his book The God Delusion, his blows are largely if not exclusively directed at Christianity and Christians in particular (even the old testament Judaic text is attacked only in the context of it being part of the Christian bible). While this may be easily explained by the fact that Christianity is the religion that has traditionally dominated western culture and thus is the one western atheists are most likely to attack, it doesn't explain the relative apathy they often seem to display towards other religions even when they are prominent in public consciousness and even when they are characterized by violent extremism. Islam is the most obvious example. Many Christians have pointed out that secular liberals in the west are often extremely tolerant and even protective of Islam and tend to excuse Muslims of behaviors that they would attack Christians for if they were the ones doing it. These are legitimate complaints that even atheists like Richard Dawkins have recognized:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7igsWpPSQ.

By the way, it is also true that atheists do often attack Christians (not just Christianity) as being "stu.pid", "du.mb", "mentally ill" etc etc...

CoolUsername:


Richard Dawkins' behaviour is not always worthy of emulation. But I we should try to see why it's Christianity he attacks mostly.

First, it is Christians who are trying to stop schools from teaching evolution and the Big Bang Theory, as a man of science, he has the rights to be peeved.

Secondly, the Christian right, is strongly against equality in marriages.

Third, it is the Christians who are against planned parenthood.

Fourth, the Catholic church opposes stem cell research.

His attitude towards Christians, while not ideal is mostly a function of the tendency of Christians to try to enforce their beliefs over others in a democratic government.

misterbear:


No Speechless3 is right. Atheists - especially in the west - do tend to concentrate exclusively on Christianity and often appear to give other religions a free pass. If you listen to the public speeches of Richard Dawkins during the past decade, and if you read his book The God Delusion, his blows are largely if not exclusively directed at Christianity and Christians in particular (even the old testament Judaic text is attacked only in the context of it being part of the Christian bible). While this may be easily explained by the fact that Christianity is the religion that has traditionally dominated western culture and thus is the one western atheists are most likely to attack, it doesn't explain the relative apathy they often seem to display towards other religions even when they are prominent in public consciousness and even when they are characterized by violent extremism. Islam is the most obvious example. Many Christians have pointed out that secular liberals in the west are often extremely tolerant and even protective of Islam and tend to excuse Muslims of behaviors that they would attack Christians for if they were the ones doing it. These are legitimate complaints that even atheists like Richard Dawkins have recognized:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7igsWpPSQ.

By the way, it is also true that atheists do often attack Christians (not just Christianity) as being "stu.pid", "du.mb", "mentally ill" etc etc...

onetrack:


It's hard to criticise a religion that one is not very familiar with, hence less criticism of Islam.

However I look at a number of atheist facebook pages (i.e. Atheist Republic and others) and there is plenty of criticism of Islam.

Also if you read "God is not Great", by Christopher Hitchens, you will see very muscular criticism of Islam.

And do a search on youtube for 'Christopher Hitchens Islam' and you will see just how many clips there are of him criticising Islam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEcBzxoMB8

misterbear:


Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Lawrence Krauss (and even more recently Richard Dawkins) are some of those refreshingly consistent atheists who do not believe in giving any religion a pass.