jerryunit48:
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FreeBoss:
Christianity or Islam which religion first existed?
Bible or Quaran which one was first written going
by history?



From veteran historians and history lovers, I want
to know from you which one of the two first existed,
christianity or islam?

FreeBoss:
Christianity or Islam which religion first existed?
Bible or Quaran which one was first written going
by history?



From veteran historians and history lovers, I want
to know from you which one of the two first existed,
christianity or islam?

uckennety:

Islam!!!!!

uckennety:

Islam!!!!!

emorse:
Christianity is about 500yrs older than Islam.

Newnas:
Islam came first because the Monotheistic creed of Islam is what Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and even Jesus (peace be upon them all) practiced.

Christianity was formed by Paul -the criminal - who was a Jew and enemy of Christ in his lifetime then claimed to have been inspired by a 'spirit' to preach trinity.

This trinity doctrine is alien to the Prophets of God and is very similar to the misguided creeds of the pagan Greece and Rome who say Zeus married a mortal woman and begot half human and half god i.e Hercules.

Even Britannica mentions that Jesus was more likely to have been known during his lifetime as a teacher and not one of three.

This type of deviation is not peculiar to christians alone, it is something common to all messengers that after their demise many of their followers will deviate from the true teachings they left. Usually, a bit of this deviation appeared in the lifetime of the messengers and they would warn against it only for the followers to return to it after their demise.

examples:

The Jews deviated from Moses' teaching from his lifetime by worshipping the calf, then he warned them against it. After his demise they returned to disbelief and murdered a lot of messengers and even attempted the murder of Jesus!

Jesus forbade his followers from worshipping him during his lifetime stating that he was nothing but a teacher only for most of them to follow Paul and his innovated trinity doctrine which was strange to the path of the messengers.

Muhammad - alyhissolaat wassalaam - only came to complete the message of those before him.

And as usual the people have deviated a lot from his teachings.
Worship of grave, excessive veneration of righteous men till they raised them to divine status e.g the shia worship the grave at karbala.

Killing of people and tagging it jihad, one great indicator of the falsehood of these jihadists is that they kill Muslims, attack mosques and most importantly they do not have any scholar among them. They are not guided by knowledge except spontaneous combustion of emotions.

Ovacoma:

Lies and deceit as expected. But, quran calls muhamad d first muslin.

Newnas:


Quran refers to the last Messenger -alyhissolaat wassalaam - as the first Muslim and Moses also as the first Muslim, and even Ibrahim as the first of the Muslims.

The meaning of first here is relative first i.e first Muslim in my era or location. Every messenger is the first Muslim in his era and place.

Then you should quote where that is stated.

As for your claim that what I've said is lies and deceit then it's nothing but a mere claim that is backed by no argument or proof, therefore it is equal to the braying of an arse.

So, I recite the verse unto you [say (oh Muhammad alyhissolaat wassalaam to these disbelieving folks) bring forth your evidence if indeed you are truthful]

jcross19:
islam is idle worshipping even confirm in the bible in ezekiel 8 vs 16. That depict who allah. Islam is evil before God , desist and give your life to christ.

Newnas:


Sheer stubbornness. no wonder a single atheist will not find any difficulty in crushing 50 Christians!

Newnas:


Quran refers to the last Messenger -alyhissolaat wassalaam - as the first Muslim and Moses also as the first Muslim, and even Ibrahim as the first of the Muslims.

The meaning of first here is relative first i.e first Muslim in my era or location. Every messenger is the first Muslim in his era and place.

Then you should quote where that is stated.

As for your claim that what I've said is lies and deceit then it's nothing but a mere claim that is backed by no argument or proof, therefore it is equal to the braying of an arse.

So, I recite the verse unto you [say (oh Muhammad alyhissolaat wassalaam to these disbelieving folks) bring forth your evidence if indeed you are truthful]

Newnas:


Sheer stubbornness. no wonder a single atheist will not find any difficulty in crushing 50 Christians!

Newnas:


Quran refers to the last Messenger -alyhissolaat wassalaam - as the first Muslim and Moses also as the first Muslim, and even Ibrahim as the first of the Muslims.

The meaning of first here is relative first i.e first Muslim in my era or location. Every messenger is the first Muslim in his era and place.

Then you should quote where that is stated.

As for your claim that what I've said is lies and deceit then it's nothing but a mere claim that is backed by no argument or proof, therefore it is equal to the braying of an arse.

So, I recite the verse unto you [say (oh Muhammad alyhissolaat wassalaam to these disbelieving folks) bring forth your evidence if indeed you are truthful]

Newnas:
you all don't know how to answer questions instead you change the subject of discussion from the original topic. It's not something that surprises me because this mental slowness is a characteristic of your path.

My point is

Abraham and all the prophets after him and before him called to the same monotheistic creed that the last of the Messengers - Alys missolaat wassalaam - called to. Even Jesus himself was referred to as teacher during his lifetime.

It is that criminal called Paul that innovated this trinity doctrine which is alien to the way of the Prophets. And it is similar to the same erroneous and misguided creeds of the pagan Greece and Rome who say Zeus married a mortal woman and begot half human and half god i.e Hercules who was later raised to Olympus.

So, Islam is not the religion of Muhammad neither is it the religion of the Arabs. Rather it is the path of all prophets.

So if you want to give a reasonable answer, what y'all will do is to prove that Abraham and the prophets before and after him all preached trinity or at least a verse where Jesus himself expressly states that he himself should be worshiped.

As for these questions that you're asking, I won't answer for two reasons:

first; It would be tantamount to digression from the original topic. And I won't be as unwise as you are to indulge in such.

second; this is not the first time you are raising these points and enough energy has been used in explaining matters to you. I believe that the one who has any intellect should have found satisfaction in those answers but you disbelievers are as the Quran described you... rather they are an arguing people.

gimakon:


Islam , always proving points with sheer pointlessness....


read this

The largest Abrahamic religions in chronological order of founding are Judaism (2nd millennium BCE),[6] Christianity (1st century CE) and Islam (7th century CE)

Fro here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

For Gods sake, if you are NOT sure of something do not post it to support your claims, Islam is one of the worlds newest religions, Who is even telling you that islam is old, how old, 1400 years? when there are religions like the old religion that has existed for nearly 2000 years (6 A.D)

Newnas:


Man, I taya4u!!!

Can't you see that these three religions are in clear contrast to one another. And two opposites can't be true at the same time.

The fact that all of them are attributing themselves to Ibrahim doesn't mean they are all from him. So definitely only one of them is truly the religion of Ibrahim. And that is the monotheistic Islam.
please open your heart and ponder better before typing!

I asked you, did Abraham preach trinity?
Did Jesus say worship me?

Islam is the only religion that truly follows the path of our father Abraham, all others are innovated and bastard religions especially the one born and falsely attributed to Jesus by that criminal called Paul.

gimakon:


Indirectly , you call Christianity False.
We worship God. We send our prayers to God, thru Jesus.

and abraham, whats his business with preaching? Where in your quran did it show that abraham preached the gospel?

Newnas:


You worship God through Jesus?!
That's a big lie, you people are just too confused.

Many of you call Jesus and ask him for your needs. One of you here on nairaland even called God incarnate. So, stop lying that you don't worship Jesus. Don't you say Jesus is lord?

Even if I accept that, for the sake of argument, the fact still remains that your religion is a pagan religion. why?

There is hardly no pagan that denies the existence of a Supreme God, but their problem has always been that they took other creators as intermediaries between them and God and thus give one or more forms of worship to these intermediaries besides this Supreme God.

Just as the Yoruba have olodumare and took sango, obatala etc as intermediaries. and that is they say "it's the same God we are calling, it's just the way we call that's different"
The Arabs before Islam had Allah and took laat and manaat etc as intermediaries.
The Christians too chose Jesus as intermediary.
Today, many deviated Muslims too take Sheikh AbdulQaadir, and that man Niyas, and the shia too took Ali and his family as intermediaries.

So, you see, it's the same misguidance but in different forms. Satan makes people develop extreme and wrong love for the righteous till they transgress the bounds and raise them to divinity.

And the argument has usually been the same, they say these men were righteous people and are therefore closer to God than us. So let's take them as intermediaries. And that is where the deviation starts.

So, worshipping God true anybody is not justified not even an angel or prophet born by miracle.


As for Abraham, The story of how his people threw him into a pit of fire in suratul Anbiyaa suffices as answer for you.

Newnas:
Islam came first because the Monotheistic creed of Islam is what Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and even Jesus (peace be upon them all) practiced.

Christianity was formed by Paul -the criminal - who was a Jew and enemy of Christ in his lifetime then claimed to have been inspired by a 'spirit' to preach trinity.

This trinity doctrine is alien to the Prophets of God and is very similar to the misguided creeds of the pagan Greece and Rome who say Zeus married a mortal woman and begot half human and half god i.e Hercules.

Even Britannica mentions that Jesus was more likely to have been known during his lifetime as a teacher and not one of three.

This type of deviation is not peculiar to christians alone, it is something common to all messengers that after their demise many of their followers will deviate from the true teachings they left. Usually, a bit of this deviation appeared in the lifetime of the messengers and they would warn against it only for the followers to return to it after their demise.

examples:

The Jews deviated from Moses' teaching from his lifetime by worshipping the calf, then he warned them against it. After his demise they returned to disbelief and murdered a lot of messengers and even attempted the murder of Jesus!

Jesus forbade his followers from worshipping him during his lifetime stating that he was nothing but a teacher only for most of them to follow Paul and his innovated trinity doctrine which was strange to the path of the messengers.

Muhammad - alyhissolaat wassalaam - only came to complete the message of those before him.

And as usual the people have deviated a lot from his teachings.
Worship of grave, excessive veneration of righteous men till they raised them to divine status e.g the shia worship the grave at karbala.

Killing of people and tagging it jihad, one great indicator of the falsehood of these jihadists is that they kill Muslims, attack mosques and most importantly they do not have any scholar among them. They are not guided by knowledge except spontaneous combustion of emotions.

stonemasonn:
Everything you said make sense except "Monotheistic creed of Islam is what Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and even Jesus (peace be upon them all) practiced" the Jews and some Christians would be offended by it. Now tell me what is the "Monotheistic creed of Islam" ?

Newnas:


To worship the One and Only Supreme God without associating any partner with Him in any way.. Not an angel or righteous being should be called upon besides Him nor even under the guise of calling Him through them (i.e taking intermediaries), all forms of worship should be directed to non but Him.

Annunaki:


And you think muslims don't worship mohamed Why do muslims all over the world kill for merely drawing mohamed cartoons if he is not revered as a god? Why do you guys go and worship at his grave in your so called pilgrimages? Why must you always mention his name when praying to your so called allaah? Why the (pbuh)always stated when you mention his name? Why do you guys insult God by labelling a vile character like mohamed the best of God's creation I put it to you, muslims worship mohamed whether you admit it or not, you worship a mere demon possessed man who a paedophile, armed robber, rapist, murderer, liar, adulterer and psychopath.

Newnas:


You worship God through Jesus?!
That's a big lie, you people are just too confused.

Many of you call Jesus and ask him for your needs. One of you here on nairaland even called God incarnate. So, stop lying that you don't worship Jesus. Don't you say Jesus is lord?

Even if I accept that, for the sake of argument, the fact still remains that your religion is a pagan religion. why?

There is hardly no pagan that denies the existence of a Supreme God, but their problem has always been that they took other creators as intermediaries between them and God and thus give one or more forms of worship to these intermediaries besides this Supreme God.

Just as the Yoruba have olodumare and took sango, obatala etc as intermediaries. and that is they say "it's the same God we are calling, it's just the way we call that's different"
The Arabs before Islam had Allah and took laat and manaat etc as intermediaries.
The Christians too chose Jesus as intermediary.
Today, many deviated Muslims too take Sheikh AbdulQaadir, and that man Niyas, and the shia too took Ali and his family as intermediaries.

So, you see, it's the same misguidance but in different forms. Satan makes people develop extreme and wrong love for the righteous till they transgress the bounds and raise them to divinity.

And the argument has usually been the same, they say these men were righteous people and are therefore closer to God than us. So let's take them as intermediaries. And that is where the deviation starts.

So, worshipping God true anybody is not justified not even an angel or prophet born by miracle.


As for Abraham, The story of how his people threw him into a pit of fire in suratul Anbiyaa suffices as answer for you.

Newnas:


Man, I taya4u!!!

Can't you see that these three religions are in clear contrast to one another. And two opposites can't be true at the same time.

The fact that all of them are attributing themselves to Ibrahim doesn't mean they are all from him. So definitely only one of them is truly the religion of Ibrahim. And that is the monotheistic Islam.
please open your heart and ponder better before typing!

I asked you, did Abraham preach trinity?
Did Jesus say worship me?

Islam is the only religion that truly follows the path of our father Abraham, all others are innovated and bastard religions especially the one born and falsely attributed to Jesus by that criminal called Paul.