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What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Brown47: 1:50pm On Mar 05, 2016
For centuries and many decades of years (even on nairaland), there have been debate between atheist and theist over the existence of gods (i.e needing provable, practical and tested proves) which have not convined many more athiest. Of course almost all athiest see those proves given by the thiest as flamsy, nonrational and absurd evidance contrary to common sense and logic.


So now, what amount of evidence can/woulds convince you of ?

1. god or creator's existence
2. Existence of religious gods (eg Abrahamic gods, brahma, zeus etc), and will you summit to such gods if they're real?

(so that we can see if your request can be granted in the house).
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 1:57pm On Mar 05, 2016
Atheists can't disprove God. Check out most of them, when asked of their proofs of no God, they ask for the proofs of God to disprove.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by onetrack(m): 2:10pm On Mar 05, 2016
A being with clear supernatural powers must visit me directly and prove that he can break the laws of physics (such as making time stop or creating a live animal from nothing). I would also need a fellow atheist friend with me who witnesses the same thing so that I know I'm not hallucinating.

That would make me a believer. Don't give me a book and say these things already happened according to this book.

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Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 2:23pm On Mar 05, 2016
onetrack:
A being with clear supernatural powers must visit me directly and prove that he can break the laws of physics (such as making time stop or creating a live animal from nothing). I would also need a fellow atheist friend with me who witnesses the same thing so that I know I'm not hallucinating.

That would make me a believer. Don't give me a book and say these things already happened according to this book.

i doubt you'll change even if all those things happened.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Brown47: 2:24pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
Atheists can't disprove God. Check out most of them, when asked of their proofs of no God, they ask for the proofs of God to disprove.

How can you ask an atheist to prove that there's no god? The burden of prove is on the claimant

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Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Brown47: 2:29pm On Mar 05, 2016
onetrack:
A being with clear supernatural powers must visit me directly and prove that he can break the laws of physics (such as making time stop or creating a live animal from nothing). I would also need a fellow atheist friend with me who witnesses the same thing so that I know I'm not hallucinating.

That would make me a believer. Don't give me a book and say these things already happened according to this book.


And if this supernatural being happens to be one of those gods painted by religion( e.g yahwe, allah, etc. Would you summit to him?

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Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by onetrack(m): 2:29pm On Mar 05, 2016
Brown47:


And if this supernatural being happens to be one of those gods painted by religion( e.g yahwe, allah, etc. Would you summit to him?

Absolutely, if that is required, but if he is a god then I don't see why he would need me to submit.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 2:32pm On Mar 05, 2016
Brown47:


How can you ask an atheist for prove that there's no god? The burden of prove is on the claimant
the two parties are both claimants.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Brown47: 2:35pm On Mar 05, 2016
onetrack:


Absolutely, if that is required, but if he is a god then I don't see why he would need me to submit.

That's how religionist paint there god, that he needs worship, sacriface, bla bla bla...
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Brown47: 2:45pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
the two parties are both claimants.

what do atheist claim?, athiest didn't know and they don't claim to know. But a theist claimed that he knows. Now who is the claimant?
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by taurus25(m): 2:47pm On Mar 05, 2016
well the fact that there are many versions of gods goes to show that none of them have left a remarkable evidence to prove to all he/she is the one true god
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 2:47pm On Mar 05, 2016
Brown47:


what do atheist claim?, athiest didn't know and they don't claim to know. But a theist claimed that he knows. Now who is the claimant?
atheists claim there is no God. And also claim man evolved.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Brown47: 2:56pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
atheists claim there is no God. And also claim man evolved.



Here is where your problem lies. Atheism is no science. What you mentioned above are scientific hypothesis.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 3:06pm On Mar 05, 2016
Brown47:




Here is where your problem lies. Atheism is no science. What you mentioned above are scientific hypothesis.
hmmm, at least, theism is based on faith, what is atheism based on, at least you already stated it's no science.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 3:09pm On Mar 05, 2016
[size=32pt]FAITH MAKES A FOOL OF WHAT MAKES SENSE-HILLSONG (HERE NOW)[/size]
just keep this at the back of your mind
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by ifenes(m): 3:26pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
Atheists can't disprove God. Check out most of them, when asked of their proofs of no God, they ask for the proofs of God to disprove.

Kindly list the attributes of this god if you know any?
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Brown47: 3:33pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
hmmm, at least, theism is based on faith, what is atheism based on, at least you already stated it's no science.

Faith? Pls explain.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 3:41pm On Mar 05, 2016
ifenes:


Kindly list the attributes of this god if you know any?
and you just did what i said xD.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by ifenes(m): 3:43pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
and you just did what i said xD.

List the attribute of this god and lets see if truly it is possible. What Atheist don't do is blind faith. You want to convert someone,give evidence!
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Nobody: 4:14pm On Mar 05, 2016
Even if I don't see god appear to me in person as evidence for his existence, the following should make me have a rethink:

The day I see all the catholics align/agree with the penticostal

All Jews agrees with the yahweh christians

All yahweh christians agrees with the muslims

All muslims aligns with the Jews

All Jews in Isreal love all the palestine muslims

All saudi Arabia muslim doctrine agrees with that of Iran Muslim doctrine.

more and more, I could keep going.........

But the day conflicts among the aforementioned are resolved, that day I would quit being Atheist and sign up with one, until then, f uck your God, Jesus,Faith,pope and Religion. Atheism till my vital signs beep flat line.

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Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 4:28pm On Mar 05, 2016
ifenes:


List the attribute of this god and lets see if truly it is possible. What Atheist don't do is blind faith. You want to convert someone,give evidence!
i can't convert you, the Holy Spirit does that. Btw, you don't want to be converted. Also, no true christian do blind faith either. And to your question God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by ifenes(m): 4:31pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
i can't convert you, the Holy Spirit does that. Btw, you don't want to be converted. Also, no true christian do blind faith either. And to your question God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

Explain how your god is omniscient,omnipresent and omnipotent?
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 4:38pm On Mar 05, 2016
Brown47:


Faith? Pls explain.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

1 Corinthians 2:5 - That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

2 Corinthians 5:7 - (For we walk by faith, not by sightsmiley

Romans 10:17 - So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 4:47pm On Mar 05, 2016
ifenes:


Explain how your god is omniscient,omnipresent and omnipotent?
omniscient
Psalm 139:1-6
1 You have searched me, Lord,
and you know me.
2 You know when I sit and when I rise;
you perceive my thoughts from afar.
3 You discern my going out and my lying down;
you are familiar with all my ways.
4 Before a word is on my tongue
you, Lord, know it completely.
5 You hem me in behind and before,
and you lay your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
too lofty for me to attain.

Omnipresent
Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the Lord are everywhere,
keeping watch on the wicked and the good.

Omnipotent
Job 42:2
“I know that you can do all things;
no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by ifenes(m): 4:55pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
omniscient
Psalm 139:1-6
1 You have searched me, Lord,
and you know me.
2 You know when I sit and when I rise;
you perceive my thoughts from afar.
3 You discern my going out and my lying down;
you are familiar with all my ways.
4 Before a word is on my tongue
you, Lord, know it completely.
5 You hem me in behind and before,
and you lay your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
too lofty for me to attain.

Omnipresent
Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the Lord are everywhere,
keeping watch on the wicked and the good.

Omnipotent
Job 42:2
“I know that you can do all things;
no purpose of yours can be thwarted.

These are no evidence dude. I can give quotes from Harry Potter too,don't you think?

Don't forget Judges 1:19 ''The LORD was with Judah and enabled them to take possession of the hill country, but they could not drive out the people who were living in the valley because those people had iron chariots.''

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Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 5:09pm On Mar 05, 2016
ifenes:


These are no evidence dude. I can give quotes from Harry Potter too,don't you think?

Don't forget Judges 1:19 ''The LORD was with Judah and enabled them to take possession of the hill country, but they could not drive out the people who were living in the valley because those people had iron chariots.''
you said how he is... And i gave you how from a wonderful book, what do you mean by evidence. In judges 1:19, they weren't able to take the valley, because they were scared.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by ifenes(m): 5:14pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
you said how he is... And i gave you how from a wonderful book, what do you mean by evidence. In judges 1:19, they weren't able to take the valley, because they were scared.

You only gave quotes and did not give examples of how happened. If your god is that powerful,why need humans to worship it? Where is your god today? You don't know anything about your god at all.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Meel: 5:41pm On Mar 05, 2016
Pls atheists believe in jazz or charm, ( ayeta, okigbe ode echi, paro, bante, e.t.c.).
If dey use one paro struck u , u will believe that mystical beings exists.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Brown47: 5:54pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
Heb 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

[/b]Thank goodness your bible or paul had said it all, that faith is confidence in what you hoped for (ie god, paradise, enternity and heaven). and assured about what you do not see. I.e blindly without reason, proof, not minding if it true.[/b]
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 5:56pm On Mar 05, 2016
ifenes:


You only gave quotes and did not give examples of how happened. If your god is that powerful,why need humans to worship it? Where is your god today? You don't know anything about your god at all.
explain your relationship between power and worship. I don't understand what you mean by the bolded statement.
You are almost right, I don't know upto 1% of God. There are still many things i need to know.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by zzzzy: 5:59pm On Mar 05, 2016
Brown47:


Thank goodness your bible or paul had said it all, that faith is confidence in what you hoped for (ie god, paradise, enternity and heaven). and assured about what you do not see. I.e blindly without reason, proof, not minding if it true.
ya, that's faith.
Re: What Amount Of Evidance Can Make You Convert To Theism? by Brown47: 6:17pm On Mar 05, 2016
zzzzy:
i can't convert you, the Holy Spirit does that

You said only the holy spirit can convert. Since he hasn't convert thats not his fault but the fault of the holy spri spri na.
And you just contradict your bible (matthew 28:19 go and make disciples of all nations... baptise them bla bla bla).



But you don't want to be converted.

Are you the converter? How did you know that he dont want to or whether the spiri had tried converting him

Also, no true christian do blind faith either.

Then when did you saw this your god pls

And to your question God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. [/quote]

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