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Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 3:58pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Dee235:So in your opinion, what did Jesus mean by "and not to leave the other undone"? The "other" they left undone are from that context: law, judgment, mercy, and faith. And not tithing! The passage already says they pay their tithe, but they neglect important things! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by ChoCandyDiamond(f): 3:59pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Dee235:you are shooting yourself on the foot because Jesus was accusing them of paying tithe as religious obligation while neglecting the needy and the poor which is the weightier matter of the law which he summaries as judgement,mercy and faith, by this statement paying of tithe is not important |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 4:00pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
WiseBully:still waiting for the wise one to controvert my post. You keep evading it though! Everyone must not agree with me. My post is supported by a line of argument. Oh, you don't "argue" scriptures you say? Well then, you must Jesus himself! You keep mentioning me up and down, only to say something unnecessary. Please only mention me when you've got something contrary to what I posted. PEACE. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Rawblings(m): 4:05pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
As for tithe, i don't do it because pastor will pray for me. Tithing is a way of cleansing your money. It's a way of helping the church grow, sponsor missionaries and other church activities. people don't pay because they feel the pastor is getting rich while they are growing poorer. If you can look beyond what the pastor will use the money for, God will bless you beyond imagination. Don't pay your tithe because your pastor said so.. Do it according to what God said. The thing again is that this issue is over emphasized. Again don't just pay tithe and still live in sin. The reason you won't see results with your tithe is because of your sins Isaiah 59 talks about it... Again don't pay tithe and just become lazy and be expecting 100 million from above with laziness. If you want results with your tithe, live a righteous life... I repeat the reason you don't see results with your contribution to your church is because of your sins. THANKS |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by JSayin(f): 4:06pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
ddippset: 'Monopoly' is as foreign to an open online forum as snow is to the Kaaba. I know damn well I do not have monopoly. But if you choose to act as class monitor on this thread, then I do not owe you politeness. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by fairheven: 4:10pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Chukzyfcb: Very funny. What you quoted does not in any way relate to what I was saying, so don't you think you need a second quote ![]() Check again! |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 4:10pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Rawblings:some issues raised in your comment will be topics for another day though. Well, until then. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Skills10: 4:11pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Many people believe that by acknowledging the Obligation of the Jews to tithe here Jesus is teaching that tithing is also obligatory for New Testament Christians. Tithing is not even the issue in Matt 23:23. Jesus was rebuking Scribes and Pharisees who were SUBJECT to the law and obligated to tithe anyway. The issue Jesus was addressing was not their tithes, but their neglect of Justice,mercy and faithfulness toward others. To practice these was more important than being sticklers for the smallest detail of tithing(Matt 23:24-33). This is what Jesus was really leading up to in Matt 23, which precludes verse 23 from being uses to teach that Jesus was sanctioning tithing for New Testament Christians. Dee235: 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Durinsday: 4:13pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Dee235: Emphasis #1: Woe unto you "SCRIBES AND PHARISEES"! We are not them, we are co-heirs with Christ Emphasis 2: ...and have omitted weightier matters of "THE LAW". We are no longer under the law but justified by faith as Christ has died for us. If we were under the law, perhaps we should be observing burning of bulls as a sacrifice unto God, an eye for an eye etc. Christ had not died and redeemed us by then. Do you think Nicodemus continued being a pharisee after meeting Christ, the king of glory? Did he continue taking tithes etc according to the law after meeting the light of the world? Those things did not matter anymore! Christ has asked us to give whole heartedly and not out of compulsion. 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 4:16pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Durinsday:you're blessed. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 4:17pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Skills10:Blessed art thou, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but your Father which is in heaven. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by fairheven: 4:18pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
ChoCandyDiamond: Seriously ![]() What kind of summary is that.? He is saying "why should they concentrate on tithe and forget justice and love, but that it's of necessity to do justice and love without forgetting" tithe " It's as simple as abc naa |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 4:21pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: So you acknowledge that tithing is a way planting in anticipation of harvest....see yourself......even from a carnal perspective your lies are obvious and completely disgusting from a spiritual angle...you allow Satan to motivate you to deceive others. Like I told you earlier....keep your tithe to yourself if your life depends on it and let others do as they please with theirs...it will not make you poorer so I wonder why you are dedicating so much time to tell others how to spend their money. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by fairheven: 4:22pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Durinsday: "and do not leave the other things undone" Please explain |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 4:23pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven: You think say Na everybody Sabi Abc? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by ChoCandyDiamond(f): 4:24pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Rawblings:GOD is not demanding for money from anybody in return for blessing,do good things,help the needy and the poor,pay tithe if it is good for you,God blesses everyone,some atheist are milloniers,God causes rain to fall for everybody,that someone is poor is not because he not paying tithe,the greedy people are the richest people on earth e.g politicians,ritualist,cultists,armed robbers,corrupt business men etc, modern Christians like to see wealth as a sign of blessing from God,but Jesus ask us to build our wealth in heaven where maggot will not devour it, the wealth and riches of this world is for a while and not a sign of a blessing from God,anybody can be rich be it Christian,Muslim,pagan,Atheist etc 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by ddippset(m): 4:26pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
JSayin:With a sense of humour, I only said 'you be pastor, abi op wan knock ya hussle?' that was obviously with a great sense of humour, quite easily detectable by anyone particularly one who speaks(or writes as in this case) with a perceived sense of 'intellectual superiority' to others. So what is working you up só much with my comment? that is making me act like a nairaland class monitor ![]() |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by ChoCandyDiamond(f): 4:29pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven:This quote from Skills10 summarizes it all Many people believe that by acknowledging the Obligation of the Jews to tithe here Jesus is teaching that tithing is also obligatory for New Testament Christians. Tithing is not even the issue in Matt 23:23. Jesus was rebuking Scribes and Pharisees who were SUBJECT to the law and obligated to tithe anyway. The issue Jesus was addressing was not their tithes, but their neglect of Justice,mercy and faithfulness toward others. To practice these was more important than being sticklers for the smallest detail of tithing(Matt 23:24-33). This is what Jesus was really leading up to in Matt 23, which precludes verse 23 from being uses to teach that Jesus was sanctioning tithing for New Testament Christians. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Chukzyfcb(m): 4:31pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven:Since you have refused to put your brain to work, lemme spoon feed you the details in that comment. Bill gates has grown over the years not because of tithe as you'v alledgedly said but because he is applying the right priciples of growth. I'd like to have you know that even if Bill gates tithed 90%, if his approach towards the growth of microsoft, if his handling was wayward. His company wouldn't grow! In otherwords, Bill gates growth has nothing to do with TITHE! GROWTH IN ITSELF ISN'T A MIRACLE |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 4:32pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
1stCitizen:brother I didn't want to respond but I understand I have the obligation to clear your head of spiritual webs. If you read my post properly, you would have discovered that I never said tithing is a sin. What my post only revealed is the greed of 21st century pastors you use the pulpit to teach that if you do not pay your tithe you're Hell bound. From the Bible, paying of tithe only has a reward not a punishment for not paying. Now that same reward one can also acquire from giving to the poor. The central theme of Tithing is giving back to God. You give back to God when you tithe. You give back to God when you give alms. That is what people do not understand. And that is why I created this thread. I do give alms. And God has been blessing me abundantly. If you doubt whether I do give alms, don't be ashamed to send across your account number! ![]() ![]() |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by JSayin(f): 4:32pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
ddippset: "Sense of humor...?" That was far from what your post appeared to be. Your post was clearly an attack. Own your own words. Don't downgrade it to now say "I was only joking" You did not read the previous comments I made before writing that post and you hastily assumed I was annoyed with what the OP wrote as you had already automatically assumed I was a religious fanatic and the OP was 'spoiling my market'. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by ChoCandyDiamond(f): 4:34pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
1stCitizen:You self,you cannot argue without satan this,satan that,that is how you people deceive the gullible ones in your churches, small thing satan,are you a child of satan or have you seen satan before or what 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Dee235: 4:35pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: Come on ladies and gentlemen, it is clear that Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees on how they loved the tithes and neglected mercy and truth. This passage said that their emphasis should first be on mercy and truth and not to leave the others undone, the others there is the Tithes. Hence they should not leave the tithes undone. But by the way, why did not remove the verse from your write up. Your write up is rich enough not to have included it. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Dee235: 4:38pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Skills10: It is clear that Tithe wasn't the subject there. Then why does it clearly say and not to leave the other undone. We should calm down and read the sentence. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 4:38pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Dee235:Smh. Even after explaining to you you still chose not to understand. Abeg no mention me again o. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by jobsat34(m): 4:38pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide:Larger portion of my Tithe goes to my Parent... The rest to church I consider them needing it more than Church.. I dont feel any guilt and i believe i m doing what is right.. 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by fairheven: 4:39pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: Please stop deceiving people further. This is living bible translation. "SORROW AWAITS YOU PHARISEES! FOR YOU ARE CAREFUL TO TITHE EVEN THE TINIEST INCOME FROM YOUR HERB GARDEN, BUT YOU IGNORE JUSTICE AND THE LOVE OF GOD." YOU SHOULD TITHE", yes!BUT DO NOT NEGLECT THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS" luke 11 :42, Matthew23:23. Maybe you want it translated in your mother tongue ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Dee235: 4:44pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: Brother why you dey vex now..abi no be the same Heaven two of us wan stay? Abi na for different apartments? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 4:45pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven:Bia. What is wrong with you? Was Jesus in that passage not rebuking them for not paying mind to important things, important things not being tithing? That passage is in no way endorsing tithing! Please I'm tired of this nonsense. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Maser: 4:47pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Skills10:SUPER! I'm proud of your insight into the word of God. Many Pastors & likewise flock are copycats and bother less about studying the word for themselves. A prominent preacher just preaches some falsehood and all of them start copying the same message. You also forgot that Galatians 3:10 says that all who seek to be justified by the law are under the curse. Contrary to what Pastors preach, it is paying of tithes that brings the curses in the laws of moses. They are here on NL defending tithing but ask them to keep the sabbath and they will tell you it's old testament. The funny thing is that Pastors carefully imported tithing from Old testament and threw away all the other laws thereby making the people "guilty of all" as James 2:10 puts it. Have you ever read Deuteronomy 14:22-29? It will shock to notice that you & your family are the primary beneficiaries of tithes, then the Levites, Strangers Orphans and Widows. But again the Pastors never ever read that scripture in Church because it will open the eyes of the people. Instead they go to Malachi which by its context is a vague reference to the more detailed injunction in deuteronomy and claim everything for themselves abandoning all the other beneficiaries. Today when it suits them, they tell us we're royal priesthood, but once tithing is involved, they become the priests and we lay people. I wish the Church will understand that the Old testament law was abolished, Ephesians 2:15 along with the priesthood Hebrew 7:12. Christianity and Judaism are not the same. It emerged from there but they are different. If they were the same Christianity would not have been severely persecuted by Jews. Paul calls those attempting to go back to the laws of moses "foolish Galatians" and the advocates of such "bewitchers". Acts 15 deals sufficiently with that too. New covenant believers are only enjoined to bring forth the fruits of the Spirit and shun the works of the flesh in Galatians 5:19-22 and thats it. God help the Church because the indoctrination is too deep that when you try to help people understand the error of tithing, you become an instant enemy and they call you a devil which is what they have been taught. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Chukazu: 4:47pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Durinsday: and you think it's a sin to be a pharisee? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by ddippset(m): 4:48pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
JSayin:Odear, O dear, O dear! You are really really upset! If you couldn't see the humour in my comment then iam afraid your judgement stinks! And someone around you should tell you that you nag. |
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