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Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by elantraceey(f): 6:23pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Abraham paid tithe generations before Moses and the law came in Genesis 14:20 and Paul repeated it in Hebrew 7. Just because it wasn't written that the apostles paid tithe in the Bible doesn't mean they didn't or God told them not to. Come to think of it, why is it that don't you guys also stop paying offerings too since they were both mentioned in Mal 3? Paying tithe is Gods own instruction, he even wanted Adam and Eve to pay tithe of just one tree and they still ate it , there are some spiritual principles you shouldn't just break for your own good, you can't have an intimate relationship with the holy spirit and he will tell you not to pay tithe , never. But in all things all that matters is your motive , pay with the wrong heart/ motive and you'll just be wasting time. 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by fairheven: 6:24pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: I repeat, maybe you should wash your eye with sapele water before reading this.. "BUT woe TO YOU PHARISEES! For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and love of God. "YOU SHOULD TITHE, YES! but you should not leave the other things undone " ![]() What don't you understand nwokem ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 6:26pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed:Well put. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 6:29pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Dee235: There is no where in that verse that Jesus commanded us or instructed us to npay tithes. And for the record, that verse is not a new testament verse. Matthew to John are all old testament apart from their last 1 or 2 chapters. The new testament started when Jesus rose from the dead. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 6:30pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Dee235: There was NO WAY Christ would have asked them to stop paying tithe as that was still under the dispensation of the law; that would have amounted to another charge of treasonable felony. The new Testament started after the resurrection of Christ. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by damocool(m): 6:31pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
@op Better talk on things you have grounded knowledge abt and stop perverting the words of God.. If you're not paying tithe, fine but don't try to mislead others with your wrong teaching |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Skills10: 6:31pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
This is Jesus talking to Scribes and Pharisees. Are you A JEW? There were also Gentiles in those days who God did not give the Law to then that were alive. Understand the context. Jesus was addressing the Pharisees and Jews. Same people who later betrayed him but were experts in the so called law of Moses fairheven: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 6:32pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed: Effectively the NT started from Matthew 27, not Chapter 1. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by pho27(f): 6:32pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
[code][/code] people forgot thithing doesn't take one to heaven but ur good deeds, God will ask u on d last day that did u give me food when i was hungry, did u cloth me when I was naked or visit me while in prison? he won't ask u how often u paid tithe while in d world but how u treated d poor and less privilege in ur family and society. Christ said d greatest commandment is love, love God by loving ur neighbour. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 6:33pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven: He said is was OK for the Pharisees to tithe because they were Jews living under the law of Moses. How is that a command for you as a Christian to tithe? As at the time Jesus spoke, they were supposed to tithe. They had Levites and priests. They were still sacrificing animals at the alter. Even Jesus sacrificed animals at that time. Isn't that obvious? 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 6:33pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Skills10: Very sensible comment. He was talking to those under the law, not US. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Chukazu: 6:33pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed: your own definition of new testament ![]() snailspeed: your own definition of new testament |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Chukazu: 6:34pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed: |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 6:38pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Chukazu: What do you mean by my own definition? The new testament or new covenant came into place by the death and resurrection of Jesus. Please do read your bible so we don't need to go back to such basics |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Skills10: 6:39pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
You are very correct. It shows people don't understand Christianity at all. People should get a bible with concordance, ask who was being Spoken to, who was speaking, the content and how it applies to us today. People keep saying we are now in the last days because of issues of homosexuality etc.what they do not understand is that we have been in the last days since the Apostles. What the last days means is that God has finally spoken to us through his Son and his Apostles. No other revelation is coming. He won't send any one again to reveal his mind. But waiting on people to repent and turn to him. dearpreye: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 6:40pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven:New Living Translation right? How does: YOU SHOULD TITHE imply that Jesus said that tithing is mandatory? What it simply means is: LOOK, I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD NOT TITHE, BUT PAY ATTENTION TO IMPORTANT THINGS! Now if Jesus said that someone should eat, should that imply that Jesus said that it is mandatory the person ate? Relate it to the washing of the back of cups practised by the Jews, if Jesus told them: YOU SHOULD WASH THE BACK OF YOUR CUPS, YES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WASH THE INSIDE, should that mean that Jesus is endorsing washing the back of cups? Please read the Bible with understanding! For better understanding of that passage, read also from other versions: New International Version "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. New Living Translation "What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. English Standard Version “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Berean Study Bible Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You pay tithes of mint, dill, and cummin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. Berean Literal Bible Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have neglected the weightierthingsof the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. It behooved you to do these, and not to be leaving aside those. New American Standard Bible "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. King James Bible Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightiermattersof the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Holman Christian Standard Bible "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You pay a tenth of mint, dill, and cumin, yet you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. These things should have been done without neglecting the others. International Standard Version "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your mint, dill, and cummin, but have neglected the more important matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the things you should have practiced, without neglecting the others. NET Bible "Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You give a tenth of mint, dill, and cumin, yet you neglect what is more important in the law--justice, mercy, and faithfulness! You should have done these things without neglecting the others. Aramaic Bible in Plain English Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees, imposters! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin and you forsake the weighty things of the law: Justice, mercy and faith! It is necessary for you to do these things and you should not forsake them. GOD'S WORD® Translation "How horrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give [God] one-tenth of your mint, dill, and cumin. But you have neglected justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the most important things in Moses' Teachings. You should have done these things without neglecting the others. THANK ME LATER! |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Chukazu: 6:44pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed: then he should as well have told his followers not to tithe since they were not pharisees? and I ask.. is it a sin to be pharisees? if you said they were supposed to tithe at a particular point in time,when are they supposed to stop? did Christ ask them to stop tithing at an appointed time? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Chukazu: 6:49pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: gradually you are changing your own position. it no more whether to tithe or not, it's now" whether it's mandatory or not "... very funny 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Skills10: 6:55pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
God bless you. People today don't study the bible. Same people calling a Man Reverend when the bible says Only God is to be revered. Same people today giving titles like Senior Pastor, General Overseer, When the New Testament teaches that the word Pastor, Overseer, Presbyter, Bishop all mean the same thing and are uses in the bible interchangeably based on the work. But People will Make a Bishop higher than A Pastor. Even the bible teaches that Only MEN should be Pastors but today we have female Pastors. General Overseer is not found in the bible. So many wrong doctrines that are not biblical. They teach for Doctrine the commandment of Men. I choose to obey the new testament writings and not some man of God today who will face God's judgement like me on the day of Judgement. snailspeed: |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 6:59pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Chukazu: Maybe I need to break it down. 1. The default at the time was that the Jews paid tithe under the law of Moses. So Jesus simply said to them, "look at you guys. You are taking your time to pay your tithe to the smallest bit but you neglect important issues. I am not saying you shouldn't tithe but you must take the more important issues more seriously than even your tithe" So how is that now a command to you to tithe? 2. There is no record that the disciples paid tithe during and after Jesus left them. None whatsoever. First of all, most of his disciples were not even qualified to pay tithes. In Jewish tradition and under the law of Moses, only farmers and animal rearers paid tithes. Others, like carpenters, masons, etc, did not pay tithes 3. The Jews paid tithes to the levites and the Levite's paid tithes to the priests. When Jesus died, God ended the levitical priesthood so automatically, tithing stools because there is no levite to pay the tithe to. That is why the disciples did not pay tithes. The Jews obviously continued to pay tithes because they didn't believe in Jesus. But after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 and till today, the Jews no longer pay tithes as there is no priesthood 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 7:00pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Chukazu:REALLY VERY FUNNY. Are you attacking the title or the body of the write-up? Seems you've got nothing to say! |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by shumuel(m): 7:00pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: Op to what end have you written this book you call an article ? You wrote all this just to end tithing ? Lord have mercy the devil has really taken over ![]() I Have more questions. 1. Are you a christian or an atheist ? don't lie be bold enough to tell the truth. 2. How would it affect you if christian tithe ? 3. If Jesus Christ preached, ''not only should you pay your tithe but give your all, why then are you against tithing ? 4. If Christians don't pay their tithes, how then do you expect the church to fund itself ? 5. Whould rather christians spend their money on unprofitable items like shoes, bags, alcohol, cracks e.t.c than using their money to plant a seed in the house of God ?. 6. As the bible not teach, that what so ever you do with one hand, let not the other know,, why then are you bother on how your tithe was spent ( i know you are against tithing because of how corrupt church leaders''Pastors'' had misuse the funds), Shouldn't you be less concerned about that and give with joy and never look back ? More questions await your answers. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Chukazu: 7:02pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Durinsday: |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Chukazu: 7:03pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Durinsday: if you say, he was addressing the pharisees, indirectly you are imply that whatever he's is telling the pharisees doesn't apply to Christian right? that also means that if he told the pharisees not to commit, then we Christians can go on and commit sin ![]() Durinsday: if you say, he was addressing the pharisees, indirectly you are imply that whatever he's is telling the pharisees doesn't apply to Christian right? that also means that if he told the pharisees not to commit SIN, then we Christians can go on and commit sin |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 7:03pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
shumuel:IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, TAKE IT ONE AFTER THE OTHER. I'VE REALLY GOT TIME FOR YOU, DON'T PANIC! Now select your first question! |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Chukazu: 7:07pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed: please explain where it is stated that disciples did not pay tithe |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 7:09pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Chukazu:explain where they did. 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 7:11pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Chukazu: It will be stated if they did not the other way around. There is no mention or record of anyone who paid tithe in the whole new testament. Not a single mention. But there were numerous mentions of how they gave, sometimes they even gave everything And like I said again, only farmers and animal rearers paid tithes even in the old testament. Tithe was never paid as money |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Skills10: 7:12pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
God bless you. People have been uses to this error that they can't just understand the simplicity in Christianity. The Old testament should not be uses as a standard of authority for Christians today. Inasmuch as tithing was part of the law of Moses, Christians should not keep the law today. Give as much as you have been prospered. Come to think of it, when Jesus sighted a perfect example of giving, He saw a Widow who gave a mite. Jesus praised her because she gave all she had. New testament Giving should be sacrificial, cheerful, willingly but not under complusion. Tithing does not have any resemblance to these. snailspeed: 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 7:18pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Skills10:on point. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by shumuel(m): 7:19pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: Answer the questions simple and neat, i don't have time for epistles, a wise man don't drop ecslycopidias to prove a point, he says but a few words''Proverbs'' but they are oceans in the hearts of men,, so answer me quick and fast i don't have time to waste. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by fairheven: 7:19pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Y Skills10: My friend am a spiritual jew,I don't know about you. You only read the bible in the flesh and run to social media to intoxicate the gullible. Please read your bible in English, read in Greek and read in the "spirit" Before jumping to conclusions.. "Deep calls unto DEEP" ... Deep doesn't call unto "shallow" ![]() [/quote] 1 Like |
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