LEGALAide:

Chai!
HE DID NOT!
ABEG SHOW ME WHERE JESUS SAID SO IN THAT PASSAGE?

snailspeed:


I have fared better when I didn't pay tithe than when I used to. But it really doesn't matter because how you fare is never a justification to do anything. We are to obey and follow Gods word irrespective of the results we get. There are people whose lives have become better financially because they stole money. Does that make stealing right?

Dee235:



Sir, beg to disagree. He did in that passage. Matt 23:23. He said they should not neglect the tithe, but they should put mercy and truth first.

Dee235:



Sir, beg to disagree. He did in that passage. Matt 23:23. He said they should not neglect the tithe, but they should put mercy and truth first.

fairheven:



I repeat, maybe you should wash your eye with sapele water before reading this..

"BUT woe TO YOU PHARISEES!
For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and love of God.
"YOU SHOULD TITHE, YES! but you should not leave the other things undone " luke 11 :42, Matthew23:23

What don't you understand nwokem

snailspeed:


There is no where in that verse that Jesus commanded us or instructed us to npay tithes. And for the record, that verse is not a new testament verse. Matthew to John are all old testament apart from their last 1 or 2 chapters. The new testament started when Jesus rose from the dead.

fairheven:


I repeat, maybe you should wash your eye with sapele water before reading this..

"BUT woe TO YOU PHARISEES!
For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and love of God.
"YOU SHOULD TITHE, YES! but you should not leave the other things undone " luke 11 :42, Matthew23:23

What don't you understand nwokem

Skills10:

This is Jesus talking to Scribes and Pharisees. Are you A JEW? There were also Gentiles in those days who God did not give the Law to then that were alive.

Understand the context.
Jesus was addressing the Pharisees and Jews. Same people who later betrayed him but were experts in the so called law of Moses

snailspeed:


There is no where in that verse that Jesus commanded us or instructed us to npay tithes. And for the record, that verse is not a new testament verse. Matthew to John are all old testament apart from their last 1 or 2 chapters. The new testament started when Jesus rose from the dead.

snailspeed:


There is no where in that verse that Jesus commanded us or instructed us to npay tithes. And for the record, that verse is not a new testament verse. Matthew to John are all old testament apart from their last 1 or 2 chapters. The new testament started when Jesus rose from the dead.

snailspeed:


There is no where in that verse that Jesus commanded us or instructed us to npay tithes. And for the record, that verse is not a new testament verse. Matthew to John are all old testament apart from their last 1 or 2 chapters. The new testament started when Jesus rose from the dead.

Chukazu:


your own definition of new testament

your own definition of new testament

dearpreye:


There was NO WAY Christ would have asked them to stop paying tithe as that was still under the dispensation of the law; that would have amounted to another charge of treasonable felony. The new Testament started after the resurrection of Christ.

fairheven:


I repeat, maybe you should wash your eye with sapele water before reading this..

"BUT woe TO YOU PHARISEES!
For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and love of God.
"YOU SHOULD TITHE, YES! but you should not leave the other things undone " luke 11 :42, Matthew23:23

What don't you understand nwokem

snailspeed:


He said is was OK for the Pharisees to tithe because they were Jews living under the law of Moses. How is that a command for you as a Christian to tithe? As at the time Jesus spoke, they were supposed to tithe. They had Levites and priests. They were still sacrificing animals at the alter. Even Jesus sacrificed animals at that time. Isn't that obvious?

LEGALAide:

New Living Translation right?
How does: YOU SHOULD TITHE imply that Jesus said that tithing is mandatory?
What it simply means is: LOOK, I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD NOT TITHE, BUT PAY ATTENTION TO IMPORTANT THINGS!
Now if Jesus said that someone should eat, should that imply that Jesus said that it is mandatory the person ate?
Relate it to the washing of the back of cups practised by the Jews, if Jesus told them: YOU SHOULD WASH THE BACK OF YOUR CUPS, YES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WASH THE INSIDE, should that mean that Jesus is endorsing washing the back of cups?
Please read the Bible with understanding!

For better understanding of that passage, read also from other versions:

New International Version

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

New Living Translation

"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

English Standard Version

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

Berean Study Bible

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You pay tithes of mint, dill, and cummin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Berean Literal Bible

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have neglected the weightierthingsof the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. It behooved you to do these, and not to be leaving aside those.

New American Standard Bible

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

King James Bible

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightiermattersof the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You pay a tenth of mint, dill, and cumin, yet you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. These things should have been done without neglecting the others.

International Standard Version

"How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your mint, dill, and cummin, but have neglected the more important matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the things you should have practiced, without neglecting the others.

NET Bible

"Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You give a tenth of mint, dill, and cumin, yet you neglect what is more important in the law--justice, mercy, and faithfulness! You should have done these things without neglecting the others.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English

Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees, imposters! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin and you forsake the weighty things of the law: Justice, mercy and faith! It is necessary for you to do these things and you should not forsake them.

GOD'S WORD® Translation

"How horrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give [God] one-tenth of your mint, dill, and cumin. But you have neglected justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the most important things in Moses' Teachings. You should have done these things without neglecting the others.

THANK ME LATER!

snailspeed:


He said is was OK for the Pharisees to tithe because they were Jews living under the law of Moses. How is that a command for you as a Christian to tithe? As at the time Jesus spoke, they were supposed to tithe. They had Levites and priests. They were still sacrificing animals at the alter. Even Jesus sacrificed animals at that time. Isn't that obvious?

Chukazu:


then he should as well have told his followers not to tithe since they were not pharisees?

and I ask.. is it a sin to be pharisees?
if you said they were supposed to tithe at a particular point in time,when are they supposed to stop?
did Christ ask them to stop tithing at an appointed time?

Chukazu:


gradually you are changing your own position.
it no more whether to tithe or not, it's now" whether it's mandatory or not "... very funny

LEGALAide:

Durinsday:


See Emphasis #1: Jesus was addressing the pharisees, not Christians! Pharisees were under the law of moses.

Durinsday:


See Emphasis #1: Jesus was addressing the pharisees, not Christians! Pharisees were under the law of moses.

Durinsday:


See Emphasis #1: Jesus was addressing the pharisees, not Christians! Pharisees were under the law of moses.

shumuel:


Op to what end have you written this book you call an article ?

You wrote all this just to end tithing ? Lord have mercy the devil has really taken over

I Have more questions.

1. Are you a christian or an atheist ? don't lie be bold enough to tell the truth.

2. How would it affect you if christian tithe ?

3. If Jesus Christ preached, ''not only should you pay your tithe but give your all, why then are you against tithing ?

4. If Christians don't pay their tithes, how then do you expect the church to fund itself ?

5. Whould rather christians spend their money on unprofitable items like shoes, bags, alcohol, cracks e.t.c than using their money to plant a seed in the house of God ?.

6. As the bible not teach, that what so ever you do with one hand, let not the other know,, why then are you bother on how your tithe was spent ( i know you are against tithing because of how corrupt church leaders''Pastors'' had misuse the funds), Shouldn't you be less concerned about that and give with joy and never look back ?

More questions await your answers.

snailspeed:


Maybe I need to break it down.

1. The default at the time was that the Jews paid tithe under the law of Moses. So Jesus simply said to them,

"look at you guys. You are taking your time to pay your tithe to the smallest bit but you neglect important issues. I am not saying you shouldn't tithe but you must take the more important issues more seriously than even your tithe"

So how is that now a command to you to tithe?

2. There is no record that the disciples paid tithe during and after Jesus left them. None whatsoever. First of all, most of his disciples were not even qualified to pay tithes. In Jewish tradition and under the law of Moses, only farmers and animal rearers paid tithes. Others, like carpenters, masons, etc, did not pay tithes

3. The Jews paid tithes to the levites and the Levite's paid tithes to the priests. When Jesus died, God ended the levitical priesthood so automatically, tithing stools because there is no levite to pay the tithe to. That is why the disciples did not pay tithes. The Jews obviously continued to pay tithes because they didn't believe in Jesus. But after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 and till today, the Jews no longer pay tithes as there is no priesthood

Chukazu:


please explain where it is stated that disciples did not pay tithe

Chukazu:


please explain where it is stated that disciples did not pay tithe

snailspeed:


Maybe I need to break it down.

1. The default at the time was that the Jews paid tithe under the law of Moses. So Jesus simply said to them,

"look at you guys. You are taking your time to pay your tithe to the smallest bit but you neglect important issues. I am not saying you shouldn't tithe but you must take the more important issues more seriously than even your tithe"

So how is that now a command to you to tithe?

2. There is no record that the disciples paid tithe during and after Jesus left them. None whatsoever. First of all, most of his disciples were not even qualified to pay tithes. In Jewish tradition and under the law of Moses, only farmers and animal rearers paid tithes. Others, like carpenters, masons, etc, did not pay tithes

3. The Jews paid tithes to the levites and the Levite's paid tithes to the priests. When Jesus died, God ended the levitical priesthood so automatically, tithing stools because there is no levite to pay the tithe to. That is why the disciples did not pay tithes. The Jews obviously continued to pay tithes because they didn't believe in Jesus. But after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 and till today, the Jews no longer pay tithes as there is no priesthood

Skills10:
God bless you.

People have been uses to this error that they can't just understand the simplicity in Christianity. The Old testament should not be uses as a standard of authority for Christians today. Inasmuch as tithing was part of the law of Moses, Christians should not keep the law today. Give as much as you have been prospered. Come to think of it, when Jesus sighted a perfect example of giving, He saw a Widow who gave a mite. Jesus praised her because she gave all she had. New testament Giving should be sacrificial, cheerful, willingly but not under complusion. Tithing does not have any resemblance to these.

LEGALAide:

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, TAKE IT ONE AFTER THE OTHER.
I'VE REALLY GOT TIME FOR YOU, DON'T PANIC!
Now select your first question!

Skills10:

This is Jesus talking to Scribes and Pharisees. Are you A JEW? There were also Gentiles in those days who God did not give the Law to then that were alive.

Understand the context.
Jesus was addressing the Pharisees and Jews. Same people who later betrayed him but were experts in the so called law of Moses