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Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 8:48pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven: Please lets not get things muddled up so we can all learn I didnt say tithes were for only pharisees. Tithes were for all Jews according to the law of Moses. This included the Pharisees who are also Jews. So by the law, they were supposed to pay tithes. But Matthew 23:23 does not say Christians should now pay tithe and Matthew 23:23 was spoken by Jesus at a time that was in the old testament, not the new. The new testament started after the ressurection |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 8:50pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
flamingREED: I pasted the passage in Hebrew that explains the testaments clearly. Everything Jesus did until His resurrection was done in the old testament and under the law. He said that Himself. Jesus sacrificed animals and did other things under the law 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by mercielizzie(f): 8:57pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
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Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by fairheven: 8:58pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
U snailspeed: Then that also means that every other law that was meant for the Jews doesn't apply to Christians? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by sleekman(m): 8:59pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: There are a couple of misconceptions i'll like to correct in ur write-up. First and foremost Abraham gave as he was led in the spirit to give. Spirit giving is the most unique form of giving. U can be led to give all of ur income or a part of it. Abraham was led in d Spirit to give 10% to Melchizedek d great high priest, Jacob swore 10% to God if he was led safely to his uncle Laban and back. This was the original reason for 10% until Moses commanded them to tithe 10%. Another misconception was the 10% d Isrealites submitted as commanded by Moses. In Deut 14:22-29 & Deut 26:12-13 the Lord explicitly stated what we were to do with d tithes. Our tithes were meant to be eaten by us and our family and loved ones at a place set apart by God. In the 3rd year, we were to bring the tithes to the storehouse and it will be distributed evenly to the levites, aliens, widows, fatherless, destitutes generally. In the new testament Jesus knew that some people formed a government upon themselves and demanded for tithes, firstfruits, offerings, etc. All of these Jesus came to abolish by offering himself as the only sacrifice ever accepted by God for the remission of sins and the neutralizing of curses as contained in Lev 26:14-39. Finally, to buttress spirit-led giving I take you to 2Corinthians 9:6-8, St Paul admonishes us to give from our heart, not grudgingly, not being compelled to but rather as you are led by the Spirit to give. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by flamingREED(m): 9:04pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed:Please, try and join us in our Monday bible study session in DLBC.. GOD bless |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 9:13pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven: When you read the bible you must study it and understand its context. There are things written to the Jews, to Christians and to the whole world. That is why you shouldnt read single verses. Always read the whole passage to get its full context. Then compare with other scriptures to get a proper understanding If you go thru the teachings of Jesus and then those of the apostles, You will notice all the relevant laws were repeated all over again. Then it was surmarised as the law of love |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 9:15pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
flamingREED: What is DLBC? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 9:19pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed:DEEPER LIFE BIBLE COURSE/CLASS/CAMPUS/CHURCH I guess |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by alfsalami: 9:24pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Per every dispensation God has always prescribed a system of giving offering and each/ had has a life span . Bringing a mosaic dispensation requirement to the Christian era is .absolute 419 , whoever have ears let him / her hear . Its just to coax the ready to be deceived members . |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by fairheven: 9:24pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed: And you are telling me authoritatively that luke 11 :42 is not meant for Christians? According to the bible or according to your own understanding? In that case you can as well take a pen list laws that are meant for Christians, Jews and Pharisees. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 9:30pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven: Like I said already, reading the passage will show you clearly who it was written to. Also, Matthew 23:23 was not a command or an instruction. Jesus didnt say this is what I want Gods people to do. Matthew 5 to 7 for example, was a clear message to us what we are expected to do as God's people |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by snailspeed: 9:45pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
LEGALAide: I am not so sure I will fit in there. They might chase me away with sticks. ![]() Just kidding! 2 Likes |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 9:53pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
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Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 10:27pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed:YOU'RE BLESSED! |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 10:28pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
alfsalami:TELL THEM! |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by fairheven: 10:34pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
snailspeed: Very "one sided" What is in Matthew is also in luke 11:42. To show that from the mouth of two or three witness, the truth been established. I have read the passage over and over. What christ was saying to the pharisees, he was also saying to the disciples, he didn't have different sermons for pharisees and another for disciples. Maybe your problem is thinking that been a pharisee is bad or that a Christian is better than a pharisee. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 10:47pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
fairheven:OGA, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT BY THAT PASSAGE, JESUS NEVER MADE A POSITIVE STATEMENT ENDORSING THE ACT. HE ONLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SUCH AN ACT IS IN EXISTENCE. WHAT OTHER EXPLANATION DO YOU DESIRE? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by omojeesu(m): 11:00pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Thithing is not compulsory for the Christian, but rewarding if one chooses to cheerfully on account of love for Christ. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Ken4Christ: 11:03pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
No matter what anti tithers says, it will be difficult to stop those already committed to the practice of tithing because of the blessings they are experiencing. Nobody and no church force anyone to tithe. It is done voluntarily. And if those who pay tithe are seeing visible manifestations of God’s blessing upon their lives, why would they stop? Asking them to stop is like closing the door of blessings they are already receiving. It is no one business because; it is not your money. If those who pay tithes are not complaining, what is your business about it? Tithing has accruable blessings. It is wrong to conclude that Abraham never gave tithe of his own possession. What about the vow his grandson made; Genesis 28:22 “And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.” This verse proves that Jacob paid tithe from the blessing he received. Who taught him? He must have learnt the practice from his grandfather, Abraham. The principle of tithing is commonsense. No one should discourage it. We should even give more as New Testament saints that has the grace of God working in our lives. The reason our Lord Jesus did not emphasize tithing in the New Testament is because; it does not measure up with his revelation of giving he taught. Tithe is 10% by definition but Jesus wants you to even give much more than that. In other words, our Lord Jesus could not have discouraged tithing; rather he demands a much bigger sacrifice from the New Testament saints. So, if the Old Testament saints could give 10% of their increase whether in goods or monetary value, the New Testament saints should give much more. We should be giving 20%, 50% and even 90% of your income according to the measure of grace upon your life. I have given up to 50% of my income on few occasions. I do not limit myself to 10%. You can never outgive God. Let me buttress my points that the New Testament revelation on giving demands more sacrifice from us. Jesus said in Luke 12:33, “Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth”. This is a much greater demand than tithing. Jesus says, we should sell what we have and give to the poor. That is like giving almost 100% of what you have which I know is hardly even practiced today. So, if we cannot meet up with the demand of Jesus, let’s stick with the 10% for now until we receive grace to do better. 2 Likes |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 11:29pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Ken4Christ:GRANTED, TITHING HAS BLESSINGS ATTACHED. BUT LET NO MAN OF *** WHATEVER TELL ME THAT I'M SINNING FOR NOT TITHING. BTW, DO YOU THINK I'M PLANNING TO STOP TITHING? MTCHEWWW. THE SAME WAY I'M PLANNING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM DOING ONLY-GOD-KNOWS-WHAT! THOSE THAT HAVE EARS HAVE HEARD. WETIN CONCERN ME AGAIN. GO AND SLEEP ASAP! |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Eronmosele(m): 11:36pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
DankemzI:That's the thing with a law! It necessarily means you are to pay 10% which represents a tenth. Not more not less! Do the right thing. If you give 20%, its no longer tithe O! I'm quite sure you have been told you can give more than 10%, but then why not less than 10%? Its an equal offence in deviation whether plus or minus don't you think? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 11:47pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
Eronmosele:LOLZ. MATHEMATICAL CHRISTIANS! I REFUSE TO BE ONE. ![]() |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Ken4Christ: 12:16am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Eronmosele: Yes, it is true that when you pay more than 10%, it is no longer tithe. But that is what should be encouraged. We are not practicing the Law of Moses because we are not under the law. But how many people are really willing to give more than 10%? That is why I think most Pastors just decide to stick with the expected minimum which is 10%. Remember, God loves a cheerful giver. The bible encourages us to sow bountifully. Anything less than 10% in my opinion is not a bountiful giving. Government of many nations collect tax as high as 40% of their income to build and maintain infrastructures and I have never heard about workers protesting or anyone attacking these governments. Why should we be attacking 10% that people give to build his church that is giving life to a dying world? No one will count you a sinner if you do not tithe but you will be seen as one if you do not give a proportionate amount of your income to God which should not be less than 10%. It is commonsense. If the saints of old were require to give 10% of their increase to sustain the workers in the church and other logistics purpose, why should the new creation in Christ do less especially when we know the importance of money to the spread of the gospel? |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 12:32am On Mar 07, 2016 |
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Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 3:36am On Mar 07, 2016 |
LEGALAide:the simplest way to put this is, we are Nigerians and not Israelites. The understanding that God dealt EXCLUSIVELY with the Israelites will put us in the know that MOST of the promises made to them In the bible and MOST of the laws are not applicable to us. that's why there's such a thing as Jews and Gentiles in the bible. 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by dami247465: 5:23am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Post 1 If you don't pay tithe and you are asked why by anyone, you can say you ate it, it's very biblical, check out this verse “Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.” Deuteronomy 14:22-23 KJV Very shocking right and the truth is Christian tithing is a total scam, I'm going to explain further,match out for more of my replies 1 Like |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by dami247465: 5:34am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Post 2 Tithing was never given to whoever as money, the only time tithe was related to money was when God asked the people of Israel that had a long journey to where they are to eat their tithe, that they should carry money to the place and buy the foodstuffs when they get there so they can eat their tithe (foodstuffs bought) “And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,” Deuteronomy 14:24-26 KJV 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by dami247465: 5:50am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Post 3 Tithing is was a feast to celebrate God's blessing on agriculture, it was not money given for church buildings, programs or salaries. You may ask but are the Levites and priest not meant to live from tithes, well let's see some passages on that “And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.” Deuteronomy 14:27-29 KJV This passage shows that tithes of the first n second year were meant to be eaten by the tither to celebrate the agricultural feast and on the third year the tithe is set aside for the Levites and needy. This is also in Deut 26:12-13 There's nothing called a monthly tithe, do not be deceived. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by dami247465: 6:28am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Post 4 Back then those set aside for holy duties were the tribe of Levi called the Levites, not all Levites were priests only the 1st borns, and only a levite can be a priest (priests offer the sacrifices, Levites do other services in d tabernacle) , and guess what, no other tribe gave tithes to the priest only the Levites did gave 10 percent to them from the every three year tithe received from the Israelites. “And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord, even a tenth part of the tithe. And this your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress. Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the Lord's heave offering to Aaron the priest.” Numbers 18:25-28 KJV Now who was responsible to tithe to the Lord for the priest to enjoy A. The Levites B. The church C. The Israelites May God help us 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by Nobody: 6:38am On Mar 07, 2016 |
dami247465:YOU'RE BLESSED. |
Re: To Tithe Or Not To Tithe: The Whole Truth From The Bible. by dami247465: 6:49am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Post 5 It was only the farming communities that were to give tithe to the Levites, no reference in the scriptures is tithing done by traders, labourers or business people. “Also the firstborn of our sons, and of our cattle, as it is written in the law, and the firstlings of our herds and of our flocks, to bring to the house of our God, unto the priests that minister in the house of our God: And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.” Nehemiah 10:36-37 KJV 1 Like 1 Share |
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