Ibime:
When Fabregas went to Barca, did he go there and claim Barca already have 3 scorers so he will not score or assist?

No! He simply went there and scored 15, 14 and 13 goals in consecutive seasons with 12 assists or more per season.

Yet one clown is trying to convince us Iniesta is a defensive midfielder. Are Xavi and Busquets carrying water behind him? GTFOH!

Nihilist:


Oga park well and on ya inner light

We've shown you several articles that have proven that Iniesta plays as a CM not AM

That being said, how can you say Iniesta does not control tempo? Have you been smoking lala?

Ibime have you asked yourself why Fabregas that gives goals and assist was chased from Barca while Iniesta stayed?

Or why Toure left and Busquet stayed?

Goals and assists are secondary deliverables to being able to keep the ball at Barca.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/10/12/why-cesc-fabregas-never-lived-up-to-his-potential-at-barcelona/

Even when he had far more goals and assists than Iniesta, this so called productive nigga was either played out of position or riding the bench before being chased away and replaced by Rakitic.

Barca paint football...they don't play it.The point is that they play a style that isn't necessarily quantifiable by numbers in the way other teams are. Goals and assists from midfield are less relevant than keeping the ball. Difference between defence and midfield is blurred...we heard the other day how Machsherano said he starts pressing in the same area as Busquets.

They average 62% possesion per game....for around 56 whole minutes of a 90 minute game, their oponnents don't even see ball to touch. You think they can maintain that with the assist chasing CMs?

Dude lay off the chiba!

sleekdot:


[s]Why would any smart person talk about league alone? Is the league the only competition they play?

So if a player scores 10 in CL and 1 in league you would in your infinite foolishness say he had only 1 goal in a season?

Thats why you are never counted among the smart ones at least on this forum[/s]

sleekdot:


Was gum pasted on your eyes when Iniesta was delivering double digit assist from 08 to 2014?

airmark:


Nice try to come clean, out of your filthy post but as usual you failed. Before you joined the fray, ibime and co were talking about iniesta having 0 goal and assists in laliga 2014/2015 season not in all competition because he scored in copa del rey that year. He even compared iniesta with a tree. But in your silly move you brought issue of all competitions from 2008 to 2014 iniesta scoring double digits.



Even at that , the question now is did your iniesta score double digits in all competitions in 2009/2010 and 2010/2011 outta your 08 to 2014 double digits period as you claimed? Where is pataki, elfenomenon1 when you need them? Ramuzaki, didinrinzaki in action

Debroslink:

Neymar/Hazard feud is not worth discussing. It goes beyond goals and assists.
Keep Hazard out of this. Neymar, Iniesta, Zidane have influenced major finals like UCL final. Hazard should just go and polish their shoes.

hensben:
sentimental Werey Fvck off my mention.

sebod:
The argument on Iniesta being vision less, indecisive and unproductive has been over-flogged and kudos to the guys-nihilist, raumdeuter, ibime, airmak and co for their input either in support or against the topic.
But, for the sake of those that might have been misled and misinformed based on the stats that have been put up, I decided to add my view.
Based on statistics
CR7 scored a total of 61 goals last season compared to Suarez 25 goals. Stats would tell us CR7 was more productive, but those that really saw Suarez play would agree his 25 goals won treble for the club.
Waney Rooney is the highest goal scorer for England with 50 goals while Tores only has 38 goals for spain. While stats would have proved Rooney as more productive, those that really followed the game would agree Tores' 38 goals have a world cup and European medals to show for it. So much for productivity.
Lampard, has more goals and assists than Xavi and Zidane combined, and one would have assumed he's the greatest midfielder based on stats, but we still have some on this forum that rate Xavi, Zidane and co ahead of Lampard.
Lampard scored 29 goals for England(including penalties and free-kicks), went to Euro 2004, scored 3 goals while England were eliminated by Portugal. He won the MOTM in a match against Paraguay without scoring at 2006 world cup and got eliminated by Portugal where he missed a crucial penalty.
He was also part of the team that got eliminated by Germany in the round of 16 at th 2010 world cup where he had a record of 37 shots on goal without scoring in a world cup tournament more than any other player since 1966 what is productivity?
Iniesta only has 13 goals for Spain in which he won back to back European cup while one of the goals won the world cup for Spain in their entire rich history. For a player that scores and assists less, there must be something special about him that got him applauds from all over.
Why couldn't any of Lamps 29 goals even take England to the final in any of the tournaments he played let alone wining any?
This is part of the post of Ibime on page 1829

In 1998, Zidane won WPOTY solely for his World Cup performance. How many goals he scored for Juve is irrelevant. The World Cup made him. Ronaldo De Lima and Alex Del Piero were BY FAR the best club players that season. Ronaldo was Serie A Player of the year for reference.

In 2000, Luis Figo was BY FAR the best club player in the World. Zinedine Zidane snatched the WPOTY based solely on the Euros. It was like a monumental disgrace when Figo did not win that year. Figo made so much noise about it, they had to feel sorry for Figo and give it to him the following year. You cannot remember that. How much he produced for his club is irrelevant. On club performance alone, he could not smell top 10 in WPOTY that year. Totti was Serie A Player of the Year for reference.
The world cup made Zidane as he won the tournament for France. He's praised and idolised for that. But Iniesta should be crucified for winning same world cup for his country. Zidane became famous for what he did for country more than club but Iniesta should be ridiculed for doing same for both club and country.
It's easy for someone who only relies on stats that can be gotten on the Internet to castigate Iniesta, but those that really watch him play regularly would never subscribe to that.
Lampard in Barca jersey would never have scored that much as you had claimed. He would never be the penalty and free-kick taker, he would never be able to shoot at sight regularly because of the style of play as emphasis are more on passing than shooting. Iniesta may not be as scoring or assisting as his counterparts, but what he brings to the field of play is what distinguishes him from the rest. 98% of the world tha have rated him so high couldn't have been blind to what you guys believe and I can say that even Lampard would give up everything he has including his wife to win half of what the maestro has won in his career.
There's no crime in hating someone as long as you don't bring such person down with your hatred. How some would hail Zidane, xavi and co and would pull down Iniesta is baffling. I don't like Drogba for anything, but that would not stop me from admiring his greatness and exploits as one of the best players Africa ever produced.
El illusionista is the don, hate him or like him, he has made his mark!

Nihilist:
I personally just get irritated when people bandy stats about without understanding what football is about.

Barca don't throw through balls about upandan. They are very patient with the ball. Often times, the ball goes through a long sequence of passes before it finds its way into the net. There's no rush to 'create chances'. The chances will come

What Iniesta and Xavi do..is control the tempo.

I'm sure many of you here will remember how Ibime was shouting how wanted Schweinsteiger back in the day...that's a man who used to average 4 league assists per season.

Will Ibime say he was vociferously advocating for an 'unproductive nigga'?

I mean come on...between 2010 and 2015 Pirlo registered 13 league assists on one occasion...the rest of the time he was averaging 4-5 assists per season

Of course, they will tell you that it was a deep position blah blah...but the fact of the matter is...most of the time players like Iniesta and co are not the ones that release the final ball.

They control the game and assist the assister.

I find it extremely idiotic that anybody will look at the highly decorated captain of the greatest club football team ever...and say he is unproductive

The only people allowed to say that are lobotomised zombies or people who don't understand football.

sleekdot:


[s]First show us where they said league alone.

Secondly Are you ready to bet $1000 that Iniesta had no goal and no assists in la Liga 2014/2015?

Put your money where your mouth is. The era of free education is over

I am sure you would run like a coward you are[/s]

Emaprince:
My question is: why do barca fans and dayo use stats to judge and diminish hazards good jobs in the field of play?

Iniesta is now on the receiving end of the same kind of criticism, story don change. Hypocrites!!

airmark:


I asked you question you ducked, you now tabled silly questions for me to answer? Answer my simple question mr. man :
Did your iniesta score double digits in all competitions in 2009/2010 and 2010/2011 outta your 08 to 2014 double digits period as you claimed?

Debroslink:


It's a fact that Barcelona underachieved when Fabregas was with us. When he left, Barca soared from glory to glory. That's to tell you that there's something Iniesta does that superceeds whatever assists that Fabregas provided.

Fab wasn't a super hit @ Barca despite his goals and assists.

hensben:
sentimental Werey Fvck off my mention.

dmcdad:

I once asked a question here but nobody, I mean absolutely no one answered.

What does Hazard do that Neymar doesn't do, or even do better?

airmark:

I asked you question you ducked, you now tabled silly questions for me to answer? Answer my simple question mr. man :
Did your iniesta score double digits in all competitions in 2009/2010 and 2010/2011 outta your 08 to 2014 double digits period as you claimed?

bigkesh:

If he has goal scorers ahead of him who don't need him to score but just supply them,tell us why he is still very low in assists...Abi they don't need him to assist them? If so what his job then??

Ibime:


Fab left because he wasn't mobile enough, not because of no phucking contribution.

Barcelona underachieved in that period because Messi and Pedro went down a little bit, Suarez was not there, Xavi lost his ankles etc.

WTF did Iniesta do to contribute? Nothing!

He waited for MSN to come and carry him along again.

Iniesta always waits for go-getters to come and carry him along. Never compare him to real difference makers in terms of production.

dmcdad:

Ohh... How I love you bruv! God bless you for this.

hensben:
what does iniesta do that lampard is not better at?

Nihilist:

Bro lets not go there....

Lampard is our legend...let us just respect him as such

Nihilist:

Bro lets not go there....

Lampard is our legend...let us just respect him as such

sleekdot:


There has never been a season Iniesta went without a goal or an assist in all competition. You can stake $1,000 on it if you are sure

lordfalcao:
I will and I will tell you Iniesta went a season on LA liga with no goal and assist...

hensben:
I respect iniesta though but some f.ools on here are making me to speak ill of him. I would've like to go there to know.

In conclusion, Lampard and iniesta are legends and I have regards for them.

sleekdot:


OK. Anyone willing to moderate this

$1,000 Paypal account

This Poster said Iniesta went a whole season in La Liga without a goal or assist

I said he is wrong

Nihilist:


But this doesn't make sense

Fab(8 goals 12 assists in his last league season at Barca) was sent away to be replaced by Rakitic(5 goals and 7 assists in his last league season at Barca)

Mobility.

You don't need a prophet to tell you that Barca require something different from their midfielders

My friend bite the bullet and accept that you've goofed once again...to add to your large catalogue of goofs from the past.

Nihilist:

This is how you chase them away...

So you honestly feel that guy has 1k dolls to waste?

Guy put 50-50 dolls and I go do boardman

sebod:

You don't need to use any derogatory word on an issue like this bro, nobody has ever insulted you in the course of this debate.
You respect Iniesta, you don't need to join the bandwagons to pull him down because of some certain people. You could have as well stuck to your opinion about him rather than joining in tagging someone you respect unproductive just to gain some cheap points. After all, no one has ever killed you for holding on to your opinion about Hazard, so why do you have to shift the post here to negate your opinion. You are not a f00l and surely nobody is one. Learn to pass your message without insults. One luv bro!