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Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Terye(m): 11:48pm On Mar 06, 2016 |
omojeesu:wait ooo.. Abi I no sabi western education again? My kid bro was still beaten on Thursday ooo.. Maybe it's been long you v been in the system.. Lolz. Visit a nearby school tomorrow bro and smell the coffee.. Lolz. And to my comments not relevant, I wish I could show you my inbox right now, it's way hot with people wanting to know more. Lols.. Goodnight bro. Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by opribo(m): 4:28am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Why are the interested in abducting children from the South for marriage, there's something more to it than meets the ordinary eyes. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 5:45am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Terye: No, I am absolutely serious. You said cultures across the world, that tells you that Saudi Arabia is and exception to that. It's the only country you will go without Boobs and ass shamelessly displayed in public. The modesty and chastity of the women is still dia. Why should anyone be ashamed of their body? What is natural about it? And it is no wonder that Westerners have issues with immigrants from Muslim countries who behave like animals on the sight of a woman's body whereas men who are used to seeing the curves of a woman on a daily basis do not get aroused and disrespectful like a wild animal. It is no wonder that Western women feel threatened by those immigrants who were trained to see a woman's body as an invitation to harass her. This is how sick it is when people grow up believing that their God given bodies are something to be ashamed of. And you said something about Saudi not allowing Europeans bring "anything" into there country. Read carefully. They are not allowed to bring in anything religious and yet Muslims want their mosques in America and Europe. To women in Saudi not driving. Is the law not a result of a religion that treats women like second class citizens? Were you not the one telling me to read about Saudi Arabia? I think it is you who needs to do the reading. First of all, I do not see how it is an achievement that most women do not work there since it means that the financial power, potential and capacity is with the men leaving women at their mercy. Secondly, a job means fulfillment to many people - it may come as a surprise to you but also to women - who have other ambitions as well than raising a family.. Careers offer the opportunity to explore one's talents, to contribute and to receive appreciation. Thirdly, the unemployment rate in Saudi Arabia is officially at 10% but it is assumed that it is de facto at about 20%. And even though the country is very wealthy due to its oil resources, there are millions of families who live below the poverty line. On the taking off of the Hijab. What a nonsense? They have seen it as part of the Muslim religion for a long time now. And since Western women have to cover up in Saudi Arabia, why shouldn't women be asked to take down their Hijab in Western countries? Answer the question and stop diverting. You said that people must behave like Romans when they go to Rome. AreMuslims suddenly excluded from this "obligation"? I guess your Lord ask you to seeks the naked bodies too.. Lwkmd. My God sees nothing wrong with his Creations - unlike yours. May Allah forgive me and you as well. Speak for yourself. I don't need your prayers. Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace It is. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 5:47am On Mar 07, 2016 |
omojeesu: Very well said. They need Enlightenment urgently. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 5:48am On Mar 07, 2016 |
omojeesu: True! It is understandable though since the religion is much younger than most other religions, they have not been through the Age of Enlightenment yet. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by egobetatoday: 7:00am On Mar 07, 2016 |
abbey621: so he provided few facts? are u a novice or a scholar? a 'scholar' like u should know, but since u dont know i will school you too ( looks like u r too dull everyone has to school u 'Mr SCHOLAR'). the age wasnt mentioned in the bible 'Mr scholar'). isaac married at abt 47yrs. his wife rebecca was younger by abt 15-25yrs). Mr scholar are u ok now? if u had told me u were a novice i would have given u d answer. oh well, just thank God i didnt get to send what i typed before...App malfunction. You are just an empty vessel. Empty vessels ( scholars lol) make the loudest noise! |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Terye(m): 7:55am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Mindfulness:If you really meant that there is nothing wrong in women or even human being walking naked, then I guess you need help.. (not offensive pls). Maybe I should give u some statistics about this "western countries" you speak so highly of. An average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault occur each year. Here's the math. According to the U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS)--there is an average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year. There are 525,600 minutes in a non-leap year. That makes 31,536,000 seconds/year. So, 31,536,000 divided by 293,066 comes out to 1 sexual assault every 107 seconds. Is this what you call liberation?? Smh (reference : U.S. Department of Justice. National Crime Victimization Survey. 2009-2013.) Also in the U. K According to a news report on BBC One presented on 12 November 2007, there were 85,000 women raped in the UK in the previous year, equating to about 230 cases every day. (reference : Easton, Mark (2008-07-09). "Rape: A complex crime" . BBC. Retrieved 2010-12-31) And I can give you the whole of the West. Lols. Even in Nigeria In a 2013 poll of 585 randomly selected adults from six Nigerian geopolitical zones by NOI Polls, 34% answered 'What do you think is the most prevalent cause of rape in the society?' with 'indecent dressing'. (reference : Noi-polls.com. Retrieved 2013-12-03) And CORRECTION A Muslim woman is not ashamed of her body, rather she values it rather than be exploited for it. Women in the West that you speak so highly of have been degraded to the extent that they are used to sell a car, even a chocolate box. Smh. You see adverts of chocolates with an naked lady on the display. Even a car. A Muslim women is to be judged by her intellect not by how short her skirt is. It's so heartbreaking to see teens loose there self esteem, looking at this magazines thinking they have to look like what they see, not realizing they are worth more that just a 2D image on a screen. But you can call me unrealistic, but lemme give you another statistic, 7 in 10 men view porn while over 75million are addicted, 68million request a day for ponographic pictures making 1 in 4 searches sexually related. It's a shame that we've subdue to our definition of beauty which is so misconstrued. And to the mosque in the West, I guess you haven't seen the new grand mosque just commissioned in Russia.. Also, We have Christians also living in Saudi don't we? , so long they will abide by the rules of the land. No rule of a western country that I know says a Muslim shouldn't practise her religion. Same with Saudi. Also, Saudi is a monarchical system of government. Bro, one of the biggest mosques in the world now is located in the West. West has Muslims living dia already, same with countries like UAE, DUBAI, QATAR having Christians living dia. Islam is well part of any country so long a Muslim doesn't violate the rules of the state she found her self. I came across a picture recently of a Muslim U. S citizen using the American flag as her Hijab. How cute is that? Lols.. Saudi won't forbid Christians from entering there territory, U. S secretary of state John Kerry visits the country everytime and he is given a rousing welcome. Also, so the Queen of England. But you just have to abide by there rules. That is the rule of the land. Abide or don't go. And to your statistics about the unemployment rate, pls now compare it to our beloved country, Nigeria. Lols. And if you think the Islamic law treats women like second class citizen, the take a trip to countries like Oman, Qatar, Dubai e. t. c. Thank me later. To Muslim woman been asked to take off her Hijab I have addressed this so many times, it is not possible to do that, cuz if that is the case, a nun sister will also not be able to go to the west without there head covered. So, it affect both religions. Women are the most treasured of the creations of Allah, ask a Muslim women around you. Allah orders men to lower dia gaze while women are told to cover up. This is to prevent promiscuity from either sides. Learn about Islam from the right source bro. Don't just base your views on the headlines on CNN or NTA. Hhahahahhhahahah.. And to "women at the mercy of men", pls visit any hospital in mecca and tell me the population of women doctors and physicians as compare to men. Lol. Pls read what I told you to read, trust me, it will really help you. Peace unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Terye(m): 8:12am On Mar 07, 2016 |
Mindfulness:Lols.. The religion is younger? Islam is the continuation of the tauheed preached by Jesus(May the blessing and salutations of Allah be upon him). It's not a new religion at all. And if by enlightenment, you mean, bin Americanised, then I guess I prefer or WE PREFER to be unenlightened. Lols. But If by enlightenment, you mean education, then I will ask you to look at the list of all the Vice chancellors of reputable Universities all over the country. You can thank me later. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by egobetatoday: 10:41am On Mar 07, 2016 |
abbey621: it is a well known fact that aisha was a child at marriage. Aisha was born in the yr 613/614AD and died aged 64 in the yr 678 ( 678 -614 = 64 yrs).she was bethroted to Mohammed by the yr 619AD, the marriage latter consummated in intimacy by 622 ('Mr scholar' that gives 9 yrs abi...622-613 = 9yrs). Ayesha was the only virgin married by your prophet mohammed, others were slaves, booties of war or widows lol, 11 of them in all, woww. Ayeesha/Ayisha was only 18yrs old when Mohammed died in the yr 632AD, was born in the yr 570 AD (632 - 622 = 10 yrs. They were actually married for only 9yrs , the difference being in months). she was reported to say in the hadith (the hadith is a source of guidance to the muslims, the quran is the verbatim instructions of allah to mohammed) : "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani- al-Harith bin Khazraj then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.” {Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234} . SHE SAID IT HERSELF OOO, LIAR! ANOTHER EVIDENCE: Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari , Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 ; see also Numbers 65 and 88). Others are evidence to thd fact yhat she wss 6/9 yrs are: (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309 ; see also 3310), (Sunan Abu Dawud , Number 2116), (Sunan Abu Dawud , Book 41, Number 4915 ) other prominent muslims who lived and worked with mohmmmed also documented same. i know you want to help Mohammed justify his love for children but you cant. There are other instances where he was interested in children like Ummul fadl. He was reported to have said if he is still alive when she grows up he will marry her... 'the apostle saw her (Ummu'lFadl) when she was a baby crawling before him and said, 'If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her .' But he died before she grew up and Sufyan ibn al-Aswad ibn Abdu'l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubab… (Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah). well, i just had to help you know how 'scholarly' u have been in the quran. In my research i found out so many disgusting truths about your prophet too. they are in my archives anyway, will dish them out as long as u people keep claiming 'peaceful'. This discussion was meant for you to see that the muslims who behave the way they do have a 'good' example in your prophet mohammed. it wasnt meant to tarnish the image of islam or to convert you. You have alot of work in your hands now, remain in islam but try to correct the evils the muslims commit especially on non muslims. No body will find time to go to the quran and hadith if the muslims dont wrong people of other religion. For all we care you can worship a demon if you like! I dont want to hear from you again because obviously u are dull and u think other people are too. this is the information age not stone age. get yourself acquainted with facts before arguing SO THAT U WONT LOOK LIKE A FOOL. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 12:54pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Terye: Who was speaking about walking around completely nak.ed in the first place? And even if I were (though I was not because the world does not entirely consist of extremes), then what would be wrong about it? Maybe I should give u some statistics about this "western countries" you speak so highly of. An average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault occur each year. First of all, the numbers say nothing. Rape also occurs in countries where women wear burkas. There is no clear correlation between clothing and the rate of rape else hot European countries / states where women dress lightly would have higher rape rates. And CORRECTION It was you who claimed that women are shameless to expose their "boobs". A Muslim woman will be judged by her intellect? If her intellect is all that matters, why not give her the freedom to wear whatever she chooses when looks are irrelevant? Some women want to be judged by their intellect and others want to parade their bodies. To each their own. This is the freedom you people struggle to accept. But you can call me unrealistic, but lemme give you another statistic, 7 in 10 men view porn while over 75million are addicted, 68million request a day for ponographic pictures making 1 in 4 searches sexually related. It's a shame that we've subdue to our definition of beauty which is so misconstrued. So? Let them watch porn 24/7. How is it your problem? And to the mosque in the West, The rules of the country are dictated by Islam so Christian and other minorities have to play by the rules of a belief system that is not theirs and people do not even have the freedom to criticize these rules without punishment. Bro, one of the biggest mosques in the world now is located in the West. West has Muslims living dia already, same with countries like UAE, DUBAI, QATAR having Christians living dia. Islam is well part of any country so long a Muslim doesn't violate the rules of the state she found her self. I came across a picture recently of a Muslim U. S citizen using the American flag as her Hijab. How cute is that? Lols.. Saudi won't forbid Christians from entering there territory, U. S secretary of state John Kerry visits the country everytime and he is given a rousing welcome. Also, so the Queen of England. But you just have to abide by there rules. That is the rule of the land. Abide or don't go. Nothing new. And to your statistics about the unemployment rate, pls now compare it to our beloved country, Nigeria. Lols. What has it got do with religion now? There are no Muslims in Nigeria? And if you think the Islamic law treats women like second class citizen, the take a trip to countries like Oman, Qatar, Dubai e. t. c. Thank me later. More often than not it does. And I guess you have been to all the countries mentioned, right? To Muslim woman been asked to take off her Hijab I have no problem with that. I do not favor any religion over the other. They are all outdated and illogical. Women are the most treasured of the creations of Allah, ask a Muslim women around you. Allah orders men to lower dia gaze while women are told to cover up. This is to prevent promiscuity from either sides. Learn about Islam from the right source bro. Don't just base your views on the headlines on CNN or NTA. Hhahahahhhahahah.. This is what Muslims often say but the reality looks different. Don't worry, one of my best friends is a Muslim. Her brothers were free to do whatever, she was not. And to "women at the mercy of men", pls visit any hospital in mecca and tell me the population of women doctors and physicians as compare to men. Lol. You are contradicting yourself. You were the one who said that most women in Saud Arabia do not work. Pls read what I told you to read, trust me, it will really help you. I don't need help. I just enjoy questioning archaic belief systems, which people adopt without using their brains because their families told them to. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 12:59pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Terye: How did you come to the conclusion that Enlightenment is Americanization? |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by abbey621(m): 1:13pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
egobetatoday: You are the greatest fool of all, go back and read what I requested of you: Show me the verse in the Quran that states her exact age. I'm not asking you to quote Hadiths and some other useless rhetoric, show me the exact verse in the Quran. Remember you were the one that challenged me on the fact that Rebecca's exact age was not mentioned in the Bible and hence she couldn't have been 3 years of age when married.......so stick to the question professor! |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Terye(m): 2:18pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Mindfulness:Don't be in a hurry to comment, check the post very well and you will see that dia is a question mark "?" in front of my post. Question mark symbolises a question bin ask.. #JesTeachingInCaseYou DontKnow |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Terye(m): 3:07pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Mindfulness:You surely would love to see the world go naked won't you? Lolz. God forbids sha. On the numbers? Did you even read them? Cuz I doubt u did. If you do, you would have understood that there is a strong correlation between rate of rape with the mode of dressing and I took Nigeria as a case study. I can give you the whole statistics of the rape cases in the whole of Europe but it would be of no use, you will still find something else to say. Dressing less doesn't translate to dressing indecently. And you say dia are rape cases in countries of burka Seems you are now getting my point. The rape case of such countries is near 0 cuz they still got morality. Compare to your "Almighty western States". And to the choice to uncover Islam doesn't force any woman to cover or do any act, I mean, so many Muslims in the West as well as Nigeria do not cover. But that doesn't mean that they will work about half naked in the name of "enlightenment".. And I think I have figured out your problem, you are taking Saudi Arabia as the symbol of a Muslim. See, Qatar, Oman, Indonesia etc are also islamic countries and that doesn't mean they are symbols of Islam too. What Saudi is doing is her rules and law, same way every nation in the world has rules and law. And it's true some Muslimah wants to parade dia body. But its OK, you can go to "the West" or better still come to Nigeria and do that. You are free. But, a person won't go to a and knowing there rules and deliberately violate it and expect not to be punished, even in Nigeria. Lols. They have dia law and tradition, the same way a person cant come to Nigeria and start having gay marriages. If you want to have gay marriages, you go to "the west" or is it "your west"? Lemme ask you, was the gay marriage law based on religion? Ofcuz not, it's pure common sense. But I guess you think otherwise.. Lols.. And to the porn, I guess you are not a student of human biology or biochemistry. So it's fair for me not to comment on that, and I will just pretend you didn't just say that. Lols And to Christians playing by the rules. See, even a Muslim woman who doesn't cover before will have to cover up when going to Saudi Arabia.. It's not about Christianity alone. Get your fact straight next time. And you talked about criticising rules. Will you criticise Nigerian rule forbidding same sex marriage? And about me being to those countries Lols. I pray I will, though have been to a few , especially Saudi Arabia and Dubai. And have read so much about all other countries mentioned. And to your friend not free to do what she wants If by "what she wants" you mean being half naked, I guess am happy for her. Moreover, no one is forcing her not to in Nigeria na. Abi? To the women working My point is, the few of them working are the best in what they do. Try read a book pls. And finally to the "archaic" believe system See, I don't know about any other religion but Islam permits us to use our brains. I mean, why will God create us with the most advance thinking faculty any ways? lols Common sense tells that even in the animal kingdom, same sex mating is not done. But I guess the common sense in the animal world is scarce in the Human world. Lols. Even scientifically, the body should be covered to prevent external bodies. (NB: am in no way insinuating that an animal is wiser than you pls) Even a young child once he/she reaches a certain age would not want to be bathed by the opposite gender. Lols. This the the common sense am talking about. I mean if a young child should know that the private body I'd not to be seen by outside world, then what about the adults? I guess common sense decreases with age?? Lolz I would have used the Quran to justify my points but I prefer the logic. This clearly tells you that Islam allows the use of logical reasoning. Please read a book urgently Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 4:22pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Terye: God is allowing it because it is already happening. Welcome to the 21st century. But some extremists claim that they need to fight God's war because the Almighty can't take care of the world the Almighty created. On the numbers? Did you even read them? Cuz I doubt u did. If you do, you would have understood that there is a strong correlation between rate of rape with the mode of dressing and I took Nigeria as a case study. I can give you the whole statistics of the rape cases in the whole of Europe but it would be of no use, you will still find something else to say. You must be kidding. There is no correlation between dressing and the number of rapes. I have done my research recently. Boy, you need to travel more. Go to hot European countries and see how people dress there and then check the number of rapes. And your numbers prove nothing, absolutely nothing. You have cited some loose numbers for the UK and the US without any context. Do a thorough research instead of supporting your belief system blindly. And you say dia are rape cases in countries of burka In such countries women are too afraid and too ashamed to even report rape and the whole world knows it. Stop deceiving yourself. Why? Because a Muslim woman's value is determined by her hymen or the lack of it. Welcome to the religion of peace who considers human beings dirty for having had sex even if it was forced. And to the choice to uncover Do they operate on Sharia law? Yes or no? Is it the law of Islam? Yes or no? Have Arabs not been killing each other for more than a 1000 years in the name of Islam? Yes or no? Religion of peace, indeed. And it's true some Muslimah wants to parade dia body. Fortunately they know better than to mix laws with religious beliefs. This is Enlightenment. They rely on reason and sense and not on a person who died more than a 1000 years ago. And to the porn, I guess you are not a student of human biology or biochemistry. So it's fair for me not to comment on that, and I will just pretend you didn't just say that. Lols Your choice. And to Christians playing by the rules. Irrelevant. And you talked about criticising rules. What has it got to do with the topic in question? And about me being to those countries Not enough, obviously since you were thinking that the economy in Saudi Arabia is better than in the entire Western world. And to your friend not free to do what she wants Cheap diversion tactics. The point is that Muslim men enjoy many more privileges than Muslim women and everybody knows it. To the women working First you said that most women in Saudi Arabia are not working When I gave reasons why it is nothing to be proud of, you said that there are so many female doctors in Saudi Arabia. When I pointed out that you are contradicting yourself, you are claiming that it is about the quality of their work. Can you see how little sense your line of argument makes? Never mind, this is what happens when you use religion to make a point. And finally to the "archaic" believe system Funny enough, your covering of the female body is not limited to her private body parts. They have to cover EVERYTHING, at times, even their faces. And why would a woman cover her hair? Is it something to be ashamed of? I would have used the Quran to justify my points but I prefer the logic. This clearly tells you that Islam allows the use of logical reasoning. Religions and critical thinking are almost mutually exclusive. Please read a book urgently Says someone who doesn't know how to make use of statistics to buttress his points. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 4:29pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Terye: Let me re-state my question. What made you think that I could mean Americanization when I said Enlightenment? And you were telling me to read a book. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Terye(m): 5:18pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Mindfulness:Lols. If you think God is allowing it cus it is already happening and you still not see my analogy of the same sex marriage, then I guess you are been bias. Will you say God allows same-sex marriage too? You really need to live in the real world not under a rock. You really think there is no correlation between the dressing and number of rapes? See I jes gave the reference of a study carry out in ur backyard Nigeria and you still don't think that is relevant? Ah. This is serious oooo And if you can give me the statistics of the "hot" European countries and the rape cases dia the same way I gave mine, I will so much appreciate it. Cus the Europe I know, even the rape is more frequent during the summer than any other periods. I guess you have to do another "research" cuz obviously the one you did is nothing to be proud of. Lols And you shifted to saying that a Muslim woman is valued by her hymen? Lols.. That is LAME a point as it can be. SO LAME. ahahahahahahaha.. Can't stop laughing. Smh. Pls bring a better point. Lwkmd.. And to Arabs killing each other. IRRELEVANT TO THE TOPIC MR. ENLIGHTENMENT, I guess ur "sense" told you that women walking about half naked is OK for the society. Lols. Even Animals have more shame.. And I did not compare the economy of Saudi with the world, I asked you to compare it with Nigeria which you did not. Instead, you are busy studying how hymen is been taking from a Muslim woman.. Lols And to the privileges I guess you have to read a book about Islam urgently. And to Saudi women working. Am sure you understood what I meant. If you don't, lemme tell you for the sake of Jihad. A few Saudi women do work and they are usually the best in what they do. I was opportune to visit Islamic University of Madina and I was shocked rate at which ladies study dia. Even more than have seen here. Most Saudi women choose to stay at home voluntarily not by force. I only cited the hospital to tell you that Saudi women are the best in what they do. And even with the few of them working, there economy is still better than a state like Nigeria. And to the covering, They do not have to cover everything, they are to cover and preserve dia BEAUTY for dia husbands. By Beauty I mean, anything that can attract the opposite gender. Be it hair or "curves". But, a Niqob (face covering) is prescribed for a lady that is incredibly attractive. However, she might choose not to wear one. And to me not able to buttress my point with stat. Atleast u understood me to the extent that you can say "I was not able to buttress it well". Lolz Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Terye(m): 5:24pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Mindfulness:isn't it obvious?? Lwkmd.. You Enlightenment is based on women walking about unclad isn't it? Lmao. Abeg no kill me with laughter abeg. Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 5:59pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Terye: If God is the only Creator of this world, who created homes.exuals? You really think there is no correlation between the dressing and number of rapes? See I jes gave the reference of a study carry out in ur backyard Nigeria and you still don't think that is relevant? Ah. This is serious oooo Spain and Greece have a beach culture that allows women to walk around in bikinis. In the evening women show their legs in short skirts. why is the number of rates not higher there than in Austria, Scotland or the UK as a whole (=relatively cold climate countries)? And why is the number in Italy, where women love to flaunt their bodies, so low? The weather there is hot and women love fashion and revealing clothes. And then: "Clothing has nothing to do with rape, expert says How a woman dresses is not a contributing factor to rape, criminologist Associate Professor Dr P. Sundramoorthy said, as furore rages over a Friday sermon by the Selangor religious authorities that blamed rape on women's dressing. The Universiti Sains Malaysia academic said it was misleading to make women think that dressing conservatively by covering all parts of the body, except the face and palms, known as "tutup aurat" among Malay Muslims, would make them immune to rape. (...)" See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/clothing-has-nothing-to-do-with-rape-expert-says#sthash.mjbSIMFk.dpuf But hey because there are some perverts out there, ALL women must wear burkas. So let us deprive them of their freedom and let perverts dictate what women should wear. Let us not ask men to exercise self-control and discipline. Let us make women ashamed of their bodies. What a beautiful way of thinking. And you shifted to saying that a Muslim woman is valued by her hymen? It does not play a role in your religion whether a woman is a virgin or not? Why do so many Muslim girls have surgeries to repair their hymens / to restore their virginity? And to Arabs killing each other. Ver relevant. It is a religion of peace after all but since Mohammed was a prophet, it was ok for him to be a warrior and start wars, right? Religion of peace, indeed. MR. ENLIGHTENMENT, I guess ur "sense" told you that women walking about half naked is OK for the society. Lols. Even Animals have more shame.. Here we go again. A Muslim taking pride in shame. What is good about shame? Why would anyone be ashamed of their beautiful body? What a sick idea. And I did not compare the economy of Saudi with the world, I asked you to compare it with Nigeria which you did not. Instead, you are busy studying how hymen is been taking from a Muslim woman.. Lols You don't make sense at all. Are there no Muslims in Nigeria? Are you insinuating that Nigeria's economy is weak because of the Christian population? And to the privileges No, thank you. I am not interested in what people who lived in the Dark Ages and married and bleeped children have to say. And to Saudi women working. Is it a fact or an assertion? And to the covering, Preserve beauty for their husbands? Will the appreciation of their beauty diminish their beauty? How insecure must a man be to hide his wife's beauty instead of being proud of it? And to me not able to buttress my point with stat. Atleast u understood me to the extent that you can say "I was not able to buttress it well". Lolz Not at all. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 6:06pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
Terye: You have not even heard of the Age of Enlightenment and you are telling people to read books. |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Terye(m): 11:13pm On Mar 07, 2016 |
[quote author=Mindfulness post=43563963] If God is the only Creator of this world, who created homes.exuals? God created us perfectly, I mean, dia is no camera in this world that can come close to the human eye neither is dia any computer that can compete alongside the human mind. Allah even said we are the best of his creations. But we humans decide to modify ourselves. Forgetting to Allah is our return one day. Hmmnnn. Spain and Greece have a beach culture that allows women to walk around in bikinis. In the evening women show their legs in short skirts. why is the number of rates not higher there than in Austria, Scotland or the UK as a whole (=relatively cold climate countries)? And why is the number in Italy, where women love to flaunt their bodies, so low? The weather there is hot and women love fashion and revealing clothes. And then: "Clothing has nothing to do with rape, expert says How a woman dresses is not a contributing factor to rape, criminologist Associate Professor Dr P. Sundramoorthy said, as furore rages over a Friday sermon by the Selangor religious authorities that blamed rape on women's dressing. The Universiti Sains Malaysia academic said it was misleading to make women think that dressing conservatively by covering all parts of the body, except the face and palms, known as "tutup aurat" among Malay Muslims, would make them immune to rape. (...)" See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/clothing-has-nothing-to-do-with-rape-expert-says#sthash.mjbSIMFk.dpuf [b] Bravo, am really impressed. You have now successfully opted out of just "verbal gymnastics" and produce some few quotes. Nice job However, 1. Your statistics about the Spain is wrong. According to the European Union, One in five Spanish women victim of sexual assault READ HERE http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-2014-vaw-survey-main-results-apr14_en.pdf 2. You mentioned Italy been small, pls check the prostitution rate of this country and thank me later. It's logical to think that Countries with high rate of prostitution would record less sexual assault obviously. Even in Nigeria, areas close to brothels records usually less cases of sexual harassment. So, there is not point in the Italy thing. 3. Some studies have shown that provocative dress can have an affect on the likelihood of sexual assault. Read Synovitz LB, Byrne TJ., J Am Coll Health. Jan;46(4):151-8 (1998) [AM SURE YOU WON'T EVEN BOTHER CHECKING THE REFERENCES] Smh Also, Workman JE, Freeburg EW., Sex Roles, Volume 41, Numbers 3-4, 261-277 (1995) States that in part that the way a woman choose to dress is sometimes taken as a statement about her character including vulnerability, desire and/or willingness to have sex and provocation of males which consequently affects the likelihood of rape, including date rape.[/b] But hey because there are some perverts out there, ALL women must wear burkas. So let us deprive them of their freedom and let perverts dictate what women should wear. Let us not ask men to exercise self-control and discipline. Let us make women ashamed of their bodies. What a beautiful way of thinking. NO one can force anyone to wear anything. Most of women that wear Hijab in the west and even in Nigeria choose to wear it by choice . In Saudi, the case is different, it's the rule of the land. Abide or don't go.. Simple. Also, If a woman is free to work unclad, why is she not free to cover it? HYPOCRISY!!! It does not play a role in your religion whether a woman is a virgin or not? Why do so many Muslim girls have surgeries to repair their hymens / to restore their virginity? pls only say what you know something about. I advice you to spend more of your time on better things rather than studying girls having hymen surgeries. Advice ni ooo.. Lwkmd.. Ver relevant. It is a religion of peace after all but since Mohammed was a prophet, it was ok for him to be a warrior and start wars, right? Religion of peace, indeed. Like I said before, talk what you know something about. Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] is not the topic. If you want a whole lesson on his life. I recommend the same book I recommended to the guy before. And pls read about KKK also. Thank me later Here we go again. A Muslim taking pride in shame. What is good about shame? Why would anyone be ashamed of their beautiful body? What a sick idea. You and this your naked bodies ehn. Lwkm. It's even against the culture of Nigerians to work unclad. And about beauty, it's a pity we have subdued to our definition of beauty which is so misconstrued. You don't make sense at all. Are there no Muslims in Nigeria? Are you insinuating that Nigeria's economy is weak because of the Christian population? NO way am I insinuating that. What am saying is that in a country that mostly men do the working and to think they still have a better economy than ours is to show you that they don't really give a damn about women not working cuz they are doing just fine. No, thank you. I am not interested in what people who lived in the Dark Ages and married and bleeped children have to say. Now your problem is clear, you don't read. You waste so much time checking naked girls on the beach of "is it Korea or what country did you even call it?" and checking the numbers of girls having hymen removed and fixed. Lols.. Time na money bro. I advice you use it wisely. Is it a fact or an assertion? You should know that I don't just vomit trash. I speak with references. If you want the reference, you ask for it. Am not given it out anyhow again like before cuz it's obvious you not even checking them out. Preserve beauty for their husbands? Will the appreciation of their beauty diminish their beauty? How insecure must a man be to hide his wife's beauty instead of being proud of it? Lols.. You call it insecure, and you really think we hide them?. See, nearly all the female medical doctors in Saudi Arabia are veiled and the are not "hidden" like you said. Even I Nigeria, we have Muslim female professors and doctors. Even our first lady, is she hidden too? Lols. Bro, Please you really need to read BOOKSSSSSSSSSSS. Not a book again. Lols. Your thinking is far too lame. [no offense meant] Not at all. Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Nobody: 7:39am On Mar 08, 2016 |
Terye: God made us perfect but we modify ourselves to be imperfect even though we were created perfect? So the so perfect beings have the ability to be be imperfect? The statement does not make any sense at all. I am not surprised. Christians and Muslims both think like this and it has nothing to do with simple logic because a perfect being can't be imperfect and a perfect being would not make imperfect and "improper" decisions. Bravo, am really impressed. You have now successfully opted out of just "verbal gymnastics" and produce some few quotes. Nice job Quote the according passages instead of expecting me to go through the entire material. I have no time for this. Until then your points remain invalid. 2. You mentioned Italy been small, pls check the prostitution rate of this country and thank me later. It's logical to think that Countries with high rate of prostitution would record less sexual assault obviously. Even in Nigeria, areas close to brothels records usually less cases of sexual harassment. So, there is not point in the Italy thing. So what if there is prostitution? There is also prostitution in Spain and Greece and even in Nigeria. So how does it prove that a woman's clothes are the reason for her being raped? Did you think you made sense now? 3. Some studies have shown that provocative dress Again, quote the passages you are referring to until then your point remains invalid. And again, why does a burka not prevent men from raping women? Moreover, why do you ask women to cover their God given bodies instead of asking men to exercise self-control? Only a sick person will rape a woman and sick people should not dictate people how to behave or how to dress. Also, Again: Clothing has nothing to do with rape, expert says How a woman dresses is not a contributing factor to rape, criminologist Associate Professor Dr P. Sundramoorthy said, as furore rages over a Friday sermon by the Selangor religious authorities that blamed rape on women's dressing. (...) Prominent rape cases in the past have shown that the victims were not dressed scantily. One high-profile case in 2000 involved 24-year-old engineer Noor Suzaily Mukhtar. She was raped and killed by the driver of the bus she was on. She was wearing a long skirt and a tudung (headscarf), which the rapist used to strangle her. Nurul Huda Ghani, 10, was kidnapped, gang raped, sodomised and strangled to death in 2004. Her naked body was found in the guardhouse of a Tenaga Nasional Berhad substation in Kampung Pekajang, in Johor Baru. - See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/clothing-has-nothing-to-do-with-rape-expert-says#sthash.tt35GehQ.dpuf Do your research properly. And instead of asking women to hide their bodies, ask men to respect a NO! They are free to wear Hijabs in non-Muslim countries. The problem is that non-Muslim women are not free not to wear a Hijab in some Muslim countries and that many Muslim men who are not used to seeing women dressed in a light way behave like animals. pls only say what you know something about. I advice you to spend more of your time on better things rather than studying girls having hymen surgeries. Advice ni ooo.. Lwkmd.. What I spend my time with is none of your business. You said that Muslim women are judged by their intellect and now you struggle to prove this point? Why do so many Muslim girls have surgeries to repay their hymen if they are judged by their intellect and not the condition of their body? Simple question. But hey, a man can officially mess up to four wives but a woman is considered dirty when she loses her virginity before she marries? And you speak of hypocrisy? Like I said before, talk what you know something about. Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] is not the topic. If you want a whole lesson on his life. I recommend the same book I recommended to the guy before. No, thank you. I know enough about him. Religion of Peace indeed. How many wives did he marry? Was he not an illiterate too? You and this your Unclad bodies ehn. Lwkm. It's even against the culture of Nigerians to work unclad. And about beauty, it's a pity we have subdued to our definition of beauty which is so misconstrued. Who said people should work un.clad? The ideal of beauty has been changing over time and will continue to do so. The most natural process is the process of change, which you religious folks struggle to accept. NO way am I insinuating that. What am saying is that in a country that mostly men do the working and to think they still have a better economy than ours is to show you that they don't really give a damn about women not working cuz they are doing just fine. Their economy has nothing to do with women working or not working. Now your problem is clear, you don't read. You waste so much time checking Unclad girls on the beach of "is it Korea or what country did you even call it?" and checking the numbers of girls having hymen REMOVED and fixed. Lols.. Time na money bro. I advice you use it wisely. I enjoy the beauty of God's Creations. You can continue feeling ashamed of your body and tell your daughters to do the same. God created humans perfect so let them hide their perfection because the perfect male Creation is so imperfect that they do not know how to control themselves. You should know that I don't just vomit trash. I speak with references. If you want the reference, you ask for it. Am not given it out anyhow again like before cuz it's obvious you not even checking them out. You struggle, mehn. Lols.. You call it insecure, and you really think we hide them?. See, nearly all the female medical doctors in Saudi Arabia are veiled and the are not "hidden" like you said. Even I Nigeria, we have Muslim female professors and doctors. Even our first lady, is she hidden too? Lols. Bro, Please you really need to read BOOKSSSSSSSSSSS. Not a book again. Lols. Your thinking is far too lame. [no offense meant] When you are not showing them and telling them to cover themselves to the point that they are unrecognizable, what is it if not hiding? |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by Terye(m): 9:56am On Mar 08, 2016 |
Mindfulness: Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace |
Re: 14-Year-Old Lucy Ejeh Kidnapped In Zamfara, Converted To Islam by HajimeSaito(m): 10:02am On Aug 12, 2018 |
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