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| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:21pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
From Vanguard Newspaper Tragedy occurred in Lagos, when a five storey building collapsed in the early hours of Tuesday, at Lekki Garden Estate, within Ikate Elegushi area, along Lekki-Epe Expressway. At least five unidentified dead bodies have been recovered so far from the rubble. The General Manager of the Lagos State Emergency Management Authority, LASEMA,Mr. Michael Akindele, who confirmed the report, said six persons have been rescued so far . It was gathered that the collapsed building was completed less than a year ago. According to Akindele, the incident occurred around 5 am, during the heavy rainfall. “So far, we have recovered five dead bodies and six persons have also been rescued. Though, we cannot ascertain the total number of trapped people, but rescue operation is still on-going.” Akindele told Vanguard. Rescue operation is being conducted by responders such as; National Emergency management Authority, NEMA, LASEMA, Lagos State Fire Service, Rapid Response Squad, RRS, Civil Defence Corp, Merchant Navy and members of the state police command. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/03/collapsed-building-five-confirm-dead-in-lagos/ cc: Onuokwu _________ Please take note of how Vanguard report the incident at 8:33am in the first picture when the location of the incident is yet to be confirmed. And how, it reported the news later around 11:13am
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| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 7:47pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
Stringent for where they are only interested in money. Do you know how many times I heard ke fun kesaru niti kesaru. . EgunMogaji: |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:54pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
Lekki Building Collapse: Who is to blame? Everybody!!! The Developers: whose primary duty is to engage certified professionals as consultants but failed to do so largely due to an unhealthy profit motivation. Consultants: the so-called professionals/consultants whose duty is to advise their client on the various aspects of the project and to ensure that due process is followed during the entire project cycle but have failed to honestly advise clients on the pitfalls of shortcuts. Government: through regulatory bodies charged with the duty of enforcing by-laws and ensuring that any development meets regulatory building standards. Weak technical capacity in local authorities; problems in the development approval process; corruption are all to blame for the problems we experience. Contractor: who are expected to have the capacity and competence to undertake the specific tasks for the specified scope of works. Clients: Yes, YOU! For aiding and abetting through wrong selection. You can't claim ignorance! For me, I'll blame the government, the bank, the insurance company, the consultants, the developers, the contractors and the subscribers. I'll blame almost everyone. Projects like this shouldnt fail if everyone played their parts very well but it seems the selection is based on whom you know and not merits. Anyone who has a contrary view can take me up on this. Where's LASBCA? Where's LSMTL? Where's the insurance company who issued the Contractor's insurance certificate and Performance Bond? Where's the Consultant? Where is the subsoil/geotechnical reports? Where is the Certificate of fitness? |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:59pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
Lekki Building Collapse Why are we calling National Emergency management Authority, NEMA, LASEMA, Lagos State Fire Service, Rapid Response Squad, RRS, Civil Defence Corp, Merchant Navy and members of the state police command. Where's LASBCA, NIOB, CORBON, ARCON COREN, LSMTL, COMMISSIONER FOR HOUSING, DG URBAN & PHYSICAL PLANNING? Where's the report of each agencies? It seems someone has vested interest if these agencies are silent on the case. |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by karleone(m): 9:37pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
brabus: It is not the duty of the latter listed bodies to rescue in emergencies like this. They'll only be called upon for questioning when the time comes. |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by skimanski(m): 9:58pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
I will feel deeply disappointed if I can confirm that the collapsed Building belongs to Lekki gardens. Because, I have heard the news all over radio and Even on Websites and Others and No one, Apart from the Vangaurd Page mentioned the Developers. Is it that they are covering up for Lekki Gardens? Because this is not the first Building Collapse i Know thats related to Lekki gardens. Please I need someone to confirm this authenticity of the report. 3 Likes |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Excuzeme: 11:36pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: It sure can happen... with people like @Brabus offering "Fake Building Approval' all over the place, what do you expect? I am just wondering if this is not one of Brabus/BrabusNG/ Bosun Davies contraptions? Any "confirmed news" on the builder yet? 3 Likes |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 2:43am On Mar 09, 2016 |
No nation can survive on a bedrock of delusional stupidity. How many of us think Barack Obama is the Antichrist? Conspiracy theorists made us think he's planning a war to confront Jesus in the Second Coming. (Of course, since Obama has been in office for 7 years and 49 days, the Internet Jack Baeur's are really finding it hard to understand what’s taking Jesus so long to get back to Earth to confront the demon president.) Bottom line here is that Nigerian's ignorance isn’t always just funny—it can be downright dangerous. Let's keep our fingers crossed as usual till everything is covered up by the government, the developer, the consultant and the zombies. And keep attacking the presumed Anti Christ. For me, I choose to stand out. I don’t want to be forced, someday, to stand by as the rest of the world renames our nation “Nigeria the Ignorant." 3 Likes |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 3:03am On Mar 09, 2016 |
Let me join the typical Nigerians. Where's the confirmed news? Like the missing $20bn. The missing budget. #wheresourbudget Very predictable. If hypocrites didn't have their double-standard, they wouldn't have any standard at all. |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 3:29am On Mar 09, 2016 |
From Premium Times Death toll in Lagos building collapse rises to 10 The Lagos State Emergency Management Agency (LASEMA) has said that the death toll in the collapsed five-storey building in Lekki, Lagos, has risen to 10. LASEMA’s General Manager, Michael Akindele, told the News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) that as of 3. 30 p.m. on Tuesday, 10 other people had been rescued. Mr. Akindele said the building at Chisco bus Stop, opposite Oando filling station, Lekki, which was under construction, collapsed during an early morning downpour. He said the victims were workers with the building’s construction firm handling, who slept in it overnight. The LASEMA chief said the agency got a distress call at about 4.47 a.m. and promptly mobilised for rescue operations. “Our men are still on the ground as search and rescue operation is still ongoing. “The Lagos State Fire Service , the Lagos State Police Command, Lagos State Ambulance Service, the Rapid Response Squad, the Nigerian Red Cross Society, and the Civil Defence Corps are on ground to ensure people are rescued and given proper medical attention,” Mr. Akindele said. Meanwhile, the Lekki Gardens, owners of the collapsed building, in a statement, said the building was meant to house a number of apartments. It said that work on the collapsed building had been suspended since January 2016, due to reported structural defects. “As regards the said building, a contractor was hired for the completion of the project, and was supposed to be completed in June 2017. “However, after preliminary structural assessments, we discovered that the building had some structural defects and immediately halted construction work on the said building,” the statement said. It said it also revoked all construction jobs assigned to the company for not implementing standard safety and structural procedures on-site. The statement added that further steps were initiated to reassess all construction tasks assigned to the company. (NAN) http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/199785-death-toll-lagos-building-collapse-rises-10.html
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| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 3:35am On Mar 09, 2016 |
From International Business Times Nigeria: 'Voices heard' in rubble of collapsed Lagos building Five people are dead, while six others have been rescued as many more remain trapped after a five-storey building collapsed in Nigeria's commercial port city of Lagos on 8 March, according to the General Manager of the Lagos State Emergency Management Agency, Michael Akindele. The building was still under construction and was occupied by some of the workers and their families. "So far as we speak, we had this collapsed building here in the early hours of the day and all responders are fully on ground and right now we have been able to rescue six people alive. Unfortunately we have five losses and at the same time the rescue mission is ongoing. We are hearing voices, we have assured them and, by the grace of God, we'll bring any other remaining out alive. I cannot tell you how many people are under the debris but the full operation is ongoing and we will ensure that we will do our best to rescue those under the debris,' Akindele said at the scene. The area where the building collapsed is reclaimed land and was originally surrounded by water. Rescue operations are continuing and the number of trapped victims is yet to be confirmed. Watch the video of the rescue mission here http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tv/embed/17612
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| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 3:59am On Mar 09, 2016 |
skimanski: It has been confirmed that it is Lekki Gardens' Project. It is the Horizon 1 Phase 3 as I guessed in my initial post. The Land was reclaimed about 3 years ago and the next thing is construction of the massive structures. I believe this could be something with foundations not distributing or carrying the load as expected. Picture credits: Daily Post NG 1 Like
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| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 4:30am On Mar 09, 2016 |
Wasn't Lekki Garden built by a nairalander builder? Am I wrong here? |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:57am On Mar 09, 2016 |
karleone: @ Karleone, I think different. The most important step in this type of operation is the survey/assessment phase. These set the tone for the entire operation. I completely agree NEMA and other safety groups should be the first-arriving unit. However, for proper examination, an investigative panel should survey the total area of the collapsed building (front, back, sides, top, and bottom of the collapsed structure) to see how it can be shored and stabilized. More importantly to check for hanging structural hazards. Don't ask me how I know so much. I've been part of so many safety drills. I believe this stage is very important as lots of evidence may be distorted during the rescue mission. The investigative committee/panel by now should have all the documents related to the construction and all the datas to evaluate the potential cause of the collapse and conformity with standards. The tests, the reports and everything else. If for instance, the building is meant to be a 3 level construction and the collapsed building is showing 5 slabs. This is the best time to verify before the evidences are distorted and it can only be done by experts. If latter, don't be surprised if someone tells you the building didn't collapse due to structural failure, it was controlled demolition and those pronounced dead are alive again. So, the time is now! Maybe, my own way of reasoning sha. 1 Like |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 6:01am On Mar 09, 2016 |
brabus: Interesting. I've always wondered about this. So with reclaimed land, on what does the foundation rest on? Directly on the reclaimed soil or they sink pillars through the filling all the way to bedrock? |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 6:20am On Mar 09, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: It reminded me of this song during our primary school days. Ologbon nkole s'ori apata /2ce Ojo si ro pupo Ojo ro, ikun omi si de /2ce Ile Ologbon duro. Asiwere nkole s'ori iyanrin /2ce Ojo si ro pupo Ojo to, ikun omi si de /2ce Ile asiwere wo. It's about the story of a wise man who built his house on the rock. There was a heavy rain and his house stands. _______ 99.9% of Lekki structures can't survive where I built my structure because they blast limestone everyday. Imagine, a structure fell due to heavy downpour. What happens when there's seismically induced vibrations. Or we think, it can't happen. Nigeria is free from all known disasters abi? Na imported rods I use? Most of the structures around Lekki are overloaded and more live loads imposed. And we don't take geotechnical test as important. Much respect to the one and only Nairalander who dumped Lekki land for Agbowa (very solid land) after seeing the result of the soil test conducted for him. Just few weeks ago, we saw another Nairalander on suicide mission, planning not only to construct on govt land but on rice swamp and asking for ways to go about it on the frontpage. Where's the govt? They're not on Nairaland. We want granite/marble floors on concrete slab over peat soil foundation. What happened to lightweight construction materials (laminated floors, epoxy, wooden slab, Aluminium struts etc). Every pin and spoon taken into a building add to the weight of the building and as a result we need to create more awareness on loading of structure and not how to build a house with cheapest amount. Again, Ologbon nkole s'ori Apata ... 1 Like |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 6:44am On Mar 09, 2016 |
Brabus seems to be the structural engineer doing the night shift here tonight. He has been covering the A-Z of this building collapse. Eku ise o  2 Likes |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 6:51am On Mar 09, 2016 |
FastShipping: Bros, I know we are not calling names here so I don't expect more people to attend. But this is intelligent discussion, you're welcome to the truth. If they can't talk, we will say it and nobody can stop us. ______ If God ever choose to grant my wish, I won't build a storey building in Lagos because building collapse is not about you alone, it's about the environment. In an environment where every house must sink a borehole, septic tank and waste water pit; sinkhole is inevitable. Too many soils have been disturbed and not restored back to original state after mining. So when it rains and nature does its thing, we start looking for the cause when the truth is right before us. So failure in such environment is very predictable. Can we ask ourselves how many bungalows have been reported to collapse in the last 2 decades? 2 Likes |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 6:58am On Mar 09, 2016 |
FastShipping:they have project in so many placess... different contractor are handling there projects |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:07am On Mar 09, 2016 |
brabus: All points considered and what hedged my decision to instead build a sprawling bungalow. |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by skimanski(m): 7:13am On Mar 09, 2016 |
This is utter rubbish!!! Saying they sacked the contractor after finding out the building had structur defect. What happens to the other high rise they build around? Have the checked for defects in those ones too? I went into a Lekki gardens apartment 6 stories of units of flats and since then I haven't been able to go to the place for anything like giving a quote and taking proper measurements for the finishing. When I saw the height and the way it was been constructed, I ran outside the unit immediately packed my bags and went home. After now we will still see them marketing their useless future vision to provide affordable housing for the populace in future. Which affordable housing? Is it the ones that will kill people? 3 Likes |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:21am On Mar 09, 2016 |
skimanski: Oga Skimanski, you should have registered another username to warn people o  |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by segcymoor(m): 7:22am On Mar 09, 2016 |
Lekki garden buildings collapse! ! Anyway , I am not surprised a bit because I have heard and seen a lot about this particular developer building 'affordable houses' |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:31am On Mar 09, 2016 |
@ Skimanski, It will be shocking to hear that I've only visited Lekki Garden once in my whole life. And the visit is unofficial. I just went to pick a friend sometimes in 2012. I can spot and sense danger from afar. I saw a lot of cosmetic repairs and I just moved out immediately. The thing no even shack me at all. Unfortunately, there's no remedy! If the Engr was sacked in January, why wasn't the building sealed up and marked for demolition as usual by LASBCA? Oga, there's rot in the system. 1 Like |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:37am On Mar 09, 2016 |
segcymoor: So my Oga sef no know person! Or you're not qualified to build collapsible structures for Lekki Gardens. It's quite unfortunate. Well done bro! |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Chekitaut: 7:46am On Mar 09, 2016 |
Many are still coming down. Imagine houses built beside water(not just water Atlantic ooo) and close by you have a dredging site mopping sand under it. If money is to be spent go to Ikotun pay each land lord to leave, if you like biuild that building in babylon na u sabi. |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Chekitaut: 7:51am On Mar 09, 2016 |
brabus:pick your call |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Gbenke: 7:54am On Mar 09, 2016 |
Good morning my Prince. (Euromillion.) I have been expecting to hear from you. |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by babalose: 8:23am On Mar 09, 2016 |
Today is Lekki Gardens turn, only God knows who's turn it is tomorrow. Builders beware, cutting corners to complete a project after using the clients money to pay personal bills. Eni ti ile ba mo ba, ni ole 1 Like |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Onuokwu: 8:44am On Mar 09, 2016 |
brabus: I read you Loud and Clear, over! |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 4nobody4every1: 8:51am On Mar 09, 2016 |
EgunMogaji:Same decisions l took severally in some of my few properties, l saw the nonsense at lekki gardens few years ago and sold the unit l had there and re-invested the money elsewhere, so many terrible construction work going on there without serious governmental regulations  2 Likes |
| Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by three: 9:47am On Mar 09, 2016 |
lalasticlala, seun this should be on FP please No Media Blackout on the developer should be tolerated. Vanguard is the only mainstream media stating the location. Posterity will judge but inaction can lead to more disasters! brabus: |
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