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Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Gombs(m): 1:53pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI What kind of a God convicts His children of their sins? Why then did He send Jesus? Why then did the Bible say "and if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" Why did the Bible say 2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation Ola, get a bible. Try and study na... Get this, Joseph Prince's point was that the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sinners, and not Christians, this by no means mean the Holy Spirit doesn't counsel believers in right and wrong...i mean, that's one of His jobs... But to come here and take it to another level by saying GOD (who gave His best for the world) is busy convicting Christians of their sin is 'spiritual felony' From the article you quoted, it shows God ganging up with Jesus, convicting Christians, while the Holy Spirit is the witness. Amazing!... And you call another a heretic. ![]() Cc Image123 Alwaysme NB: Was 1John 1 written to christains alone or unbelievers alike? 1 Like |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Joagbaje(m): 8:00pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Firstly the Bible verse he quoted was clear that Jesus was talking to the world for not believing on him ,, so the conviction is about salvation for the sinner. Secondly the sin is umbelieve in. Christ. That verse speaks for itself . And lastly it's talking about sin. Not sins. Which refers. To sin nature. So the Christian. Don't have the sin. Nature . But he may fall into a sin or sins. God has given us his word to. Correct us as we study it we grow out of errors. 1Pe 2:1 — 1Pe 2:3 2 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: Her also. Corrects us through words. Of. Exhortation .. Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. But I get your point . If God can't correct us. We are bastards . But Joseph prince is dealing with condemnation which comes from our conscience which we may attribute to God . He is not condemning us .and he has. Given. Us his word to guide out lives to live a pleasing life to him. Because we have a new nature sometimes when. We do wrong. We sense it. The issue with our sin is not with God . He has dealt with. It. When s Christian sin he has issue with the devil who may afflict him and. He has issue with his conscience which may condemn him 1 Like |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Image123(m): 1:40pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Gombs: Who be Alwaysme? Abi Alwaystrue, take time oh. The Holy Spirit is to guide us into all truth, so i believe if we are wrong or going wrong, He is to guide us into the Truth. That's what a Shepherd does i suppose. |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by promisechuks: 2:52pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Gombs:Please, leave the pharisee-self-righteous-holier-than-thou christian!!! I am just tired of the guy. But his problem is that he is using his thoughts, imaginations and experiences to judge the bible, instead of judging his thoughts, experiences and imaginations with the scriptures. All I know is that I will continue to labour till this gospel of grace circulates to people around me, no matter what it will cost me. 1 Like |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by promisechuks: 3:01pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Joagbaje:Please, help me tell these pharisee christians better. The veil on their eye is becoming too much. See how simple that verse is but he is judging the verse with his thought and imagination, which can never unveil to him the mind of God pertaining to that verse. Please we should learn to stop judge the bible with thoughts or "what you think" but, rather, judge what you think, your experiences, with the basis of the scripture. Until we take the scriptures the way it was written, especially in the greek form, we will not discover the revelation being conveyed in that verse. Please, help to continue in addressing this people's ignorance. |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Gombs(m): 3:29pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Image123: CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI... I meant Alwaystrue... Lol You spoke right. He counsels us in line with the word. |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 3:42pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Scholar8200:Wh n Jesus spoke of blasphemy of Holy Spirit, it was in context of ASCRIBING genuine work of the Spirit by Him to Satan. So if a Spirit led minister is dismissed as demon possessed, the Spirit is blasphemed 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 3:48pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Gombs: Gombs Gombs The verse you quoted does not support you at all. Please define CONVICT THE WORLD OF SIN per John 16:8 |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 4:05pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Joagbaje: My broda, If you are going to take a stance on masturbation on the basis of its mention you will be in trouble because we know there are countless things we consider sin not because they are mentioned but because they violate a scriptural principle or the will of God. Masturbation is not forbidden but we know it is attended by lustful thoughts, and we know fornication and adultery means more than the very act. It was amplified by Christ to cover thoughts. An activity that ministers lust remains a sin regardless of the frequency it is committed. Talking of frequency, how often should your wife sleep with another man before you conclude she has committed adultery? Back to whether something is backed by a verse, would you eat human flesh? |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Gombs(m): 9:46pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
vooks: Joagbaje: *mild editing ![]() |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Joagbaje(m): 10:14pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
vooks: i didn't say masturbation is ok. its a bad habit and it can be demonic also. but not a sin against God. its your body. people maturbate for medical test. if its not a sin to do it for medical test then it shouldn't be a sin otherwise. secondly lustful thought is not the same as mastubation. its a different thing on its own |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by esere826: 11:17pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
^^ not joining in the debate, but I,m not sure of this logic. Its like saying that if executing a man or man slaughtervis not a sin, then murdering is no sin. In all cases, one takes another's life. Don't be quick to say that the bible refers to murder. Although translators try to distinguish this and it can actually be inferred from reading the bible, however, from my studies, the actual original word used doesnt have that much of a distinction |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by esere826: 11:20pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Still on that. I think intent is the key. |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Joagbaje(m): 12:21am On Mar 10, 2016 |
esere826: So is taking another man's life a sin? Taking another man's life. Is different from murder. You may take life. In battle or in execution or by accident. Evey know sin is clearly spelt out in the Bible |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 4:45am On Mar 10, 2016 |
Joagbaje:So you saying the fact that it is employed medically is what makes it no sin? Lustful thoughts are not masturbation and nobody said they are, but if one is a sin and it is fueled by the other, both are sin, which is precisely why Peter prescribes sobriety in dressing by women Now let me ask you. Is watching porn a sin? 1 Like |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 5:05am On Mar 10, 2016 |
Gombs: Gombs Gombs, what is CONVICT THE WORLD OF SIN? Joagbaje's definition is narrow for if sin ONLY means unbelief in Jesus, then all who never heard about Jesus have never sinned Here is a biblical definition of sin; 1 John 3:4 (KJV) for sin is the transgression of the law. So please try and avoid clichés 1 Like |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Joagbaje(m): 7:53am On Mar 10, 2016 |
vooks: are you saying its a sin to do it medically in sperrm count test? and if it won't be a sin medically why should it be a sin otherwise? thoughts are not masturbation and nobody said they are, but if one is a sin and it is fueled by the other, both are sin, lustful thought are not sin which is precisely why Peter prescribes sobriety in dressing by women sobriety in women dressing is about their honour and self control and not about about giving men lustful thoughts. a man that is lusting is the one who has issues with lust. let me ask you. Is watching porn a sin? its a movie . is watching a movie a sin? porn is just indecency. kills spiritual fire like any fleshly thing |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 8:07am On Mar 10, 2016 |
Joagbaje:You are really out on a limb. Is it sin to put my finger inside your wife's sexual organs? lustful thought are not sinWhat is sin? sobriety in women dressing is about their honour and self control and not about about giving men lustful thoughts. a man that is lusting is the one who has issues with lust.What has honor to do with dressing? Care expounding that? its a movie . is watching a movie a sin?No it's not. So would you object to your wife shooting porn? porn is just indecency. kills spiritual fire like any fleshly thingPorn is no sin, right? 1 Like |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by esere826: 8:09am On Mar 10, 2016 |
Joagbaje:I'm not really concerned about the sin vs no-sin part the point that i tried to make was that this your logic is shaky: if masturbation for health aint sin, then masturbation for recreation aint sin either. Perhaps, you could use some other logic to buttress your point, but definitely not that one. Anyone with a little intellect will tear it down easily I'll tell you a true story. A building collapsed and mum and baby daughter were trapped for days and thirsty. The mum slit her wrist and gave her blood to the child to drink. If this is to be argued in a theological court, won't it be absurd to build logic around the act rather than the intent? |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Joagbaje(m): 9:37am On Mar 10, 2016 |
esere826: Sure . I don't know if I really get your point anyway Perhaps, you could use some other logic to buttress your point, but definitely not that one. Anyone with a little intellect will tear it down easily Well , it's not a topic I really like to discuss . It's just facts been laid out. |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Joagbaje(m): 9:45am On Mar 10, 2016 |
vooks: You don't have to talk silly to make a dumb point. The bible is clear on the issue of adultery . Proverbs 6:29 So he that goeth in to his neighbour's wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent. What is sin? Covetousness in this context What has honor to do with dressing? Care expounding that? Women are to dress modestly and decently . It's about them ,their mind and right values . No it's not. So would you object to your wife shooting porn? Stop being silly dear . And stop getting personal . I've told you porn is indecent . If you keeping getting personal with insult I will stop responding to you. If you have a sensible point . Lay it out from scriptures and any other reference . And if you run out of options . Just meditate on my points and leave there. Porn is no sin, right? Tell us |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Scholar8200(m): 11:39am On Mar 10, 2016 |
Since peace is one of the expression of the fruit of the Spirit, and we are enjoined to let this peace (of the Spirit) rule in our hearts such that a loss of that peace (when we sin/grieve the Spirit) makes our hearts trouble/condemn us in which case our prayers are hindered, since that peace and its absence is by the Spirit's moderation, then indeed He convicts us when we go wrong/sin to help us retrace our steps if we will: Let the peace of Christ [the inner calm of one who walks daily with Him] be the controlling factor in your hearts [deciding and settling questions that arise]. To this peace indeed you were called as members in one body [of believers] Colossians 3:15 But the fruit of the Spirit [the result of His presence within us] is love [unselfish concern for others], joy, [inner] peace, Galatians 5:22a 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 1John 3:20,21 Now any believer who sins and still claims to retain this peace is a blind reprobate. |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 12:36pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Joagbaje:How did I talk silly? You threw in medicine to show the 'innocence' of masturbation and I went along. You see how silly you sound? 'One can masturbate for medical reasons such as sperm extraction therefore masturbation is no sin'. Similarly, one can group your wife's parts without sinning since her gynecologist does it. Let's avoid stupidity when examining doctrine. Proverbs 6:29Yeah right, so her gynecologist is covetous? Women are to dress modestly and decently . It's about them ,their mind and right values .What has their 'mind and right values' got to do with dressing? Can you give examples of dressing that goes against their 'mind and right values'? Stop being silly dear . And stop getting personal . I've told you porn is indecent . If you keeping getting personal with insult I will stop responding to you.How am I being silly? You said watching porn is just watching a movie and there is nothing wrong with watching a movie. So there shouldn't be anything wrong either with shooting a movie, right? And by extension, there shouldn't be anything wrong with shooting porn. Your analogies are wild and am glad you can see that If you have a sensible point . Lay it out from scriptures and any other reference . And if you run out of options . Just meditate on my points and leave there.I have examined your analogies. Your reasoning is since masturbation is done medically or for medical reasons, it is no sin. I simply chose something else done medically; touching your wife's genit@lia. Tell usLustful thoughts are not sin? What is sin Joagbaje? |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Joagbaje(m): 3:25pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
vooks: well since you must use vulgar illustrations to express your dirty carnal mind. you ought to have used you mothers whatever as illustration. people like you always launch pesonall attacks when your wrong hypocritical theology crumbles like pack of cards in the face of light. enjoy your folly dear 2 Likes |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 3:33pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Joagbaje:I never thought I would find you this furious. So all this veneer of meekness covers a monster ![]() ![]() I could have used my mother, but I used your wife to bring the point home. Anyway,the point remains; appealing to medical utility of anything to sanctify it is epic idiocy. Even esere826 points this out Yours is basically idolatry; you as Oyaks sheeple and being on his payroll, and with little prospects of doing anything else meaningful in this life other than serving him, you have no choice but to stand by him even when he is churning out garbage. He is a pro-w@nker, every of his sycophant is a pro-w@nker 1 Like |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Gombs(m): 4:19pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Joagbaje: Pheeeeeew, i see you've met the man vooks?... a tiring bloke who always get personal when put in a tight angle. |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Gombs(m): 4:27pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
vooks: Quit the pettiness and get back to issues. I could have used my mother, but I used your wife to bring the point home. totally needless. Anyway,the point remains; appealing to medical utility of anything to sanctify it is epic idiocy. Even esere826 points this out wait a minute, if masturbation was asked for in a medical facility, probably a fertility clinic, are you of the opinion that Christians shouldn't partake in such? The issue you have is somewhat in line with obsession... you just go all around, on all threads mentioning masturbationn, or divorce, like a baby who lost his toy. Yours is basically idolatry; you as Oyaks sheeple and being on his payroll, and with little prospects of doing anything else meaningful in this life other than serving him, you have no choice but to stand by him even when he is churning out garbage. loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool... e pain am He is a pro-w@nker, every of his sycophant is a pro-w@nker you are really a piece of work. for other viewers, hear what Pastor Chris said here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP0CDsvu8DM ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() NB: Porn... Pastor Chris addressed this in one communion service... I'd find the notes. |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Joagbaje(m): 5:21pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
vooks: Not furious at all just applying scriptures Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. 1 Like |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Joagbaje(m): 5:22pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Gombs: Maybe it's another moniker for Newmi bomboy ![]() |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 6:36pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Joagbaje:Gloves are off. Your idol is at stake 1 Like |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Gombs(m): 6:38pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Joagbaje: you mean Nuclearboy?... i guessed as much oooooo ![]() |
Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by vooks: 6:41pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Gombs:Would you object to a man gripping your wife( you don't have any) goods because a gynecologist freely does it? The issue you have is somewhat in line with obsession... you just go all around, on all threads mentioning masturbationn, or divorce, like a baby who lost his toy.It was your boy Joagbaje who reasoned that since there is medical use of masturbation it ain't no sin. I just used his idiocy to smack some sense into his puny brain ![]() Oyaks is a pro on divorce, a professional failure, an anointed one at that.....that's something I'll consult him on ![]() ![]() Holla when when pens his Divorce Files I never knew that gods can be divorced and dumped like filthy rags |
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