3strike:



Karma is a B!tch...she F$#ks anybody sir.

reminds me of one big time omonile for ayobo side wey de harrass landlords and take people land anyhow. He go set up building na collapse you go hear.

skimanski:
Oga Brabus I can see you know a lot about Structural Calcs. Your professionalism na top. but lets come down to the level of laymen like us. forget those story of Following Structural Calculation to confirm the Live/Dead Load Analysis, Steel Analysis, Shear Force and Movement Information. Thats not what I feel is the problem, those na many grammar.

This is a Clear case of Lekki Garden Bring Small Money put am for contractor hand, and expect contractor to make the figure work no matter what, and Contractor collects what he feels is his gain inside and use the remainder to work, before you know the money becomes too micro for the project. The major blame should go to the buyers who like Cheap things, you want to buy a house with money you know wont build you Carcass. didnt you think of how is it possible for the Sellers to make gain like. Oh! the sellers are not there to make gain right? only you the buyer is expected to gain from the process right? Thats a case of when people deceive their selves. you want to buy things with money you know isn't realistic and expect to get what you want. O.Y.O is their case anyway. Lekki Gardens Build Cheap Houses because they know people like their Buyers are everywhere. They want to eat their cakes and still have it.

I know some who went to tender for a contract with them and he came away to say the money on offer was not worth it.

brabus:
Baba Beulah09, I'm not professional. Pls treat my case differently.
I'm just happy the project has not been handed over with live loads increased. Maybe you'll appreciate my way of reasoning much better.

As you lay your bed, so you'll lie on it.

For the records, the Atlantic City project started before The Horizon. You'll see the difference between projects in there. The subscribers of the Atlantic City can build 10 Lekki gardens at once but they choose to wait until all (including the Great Wall of Lagos) that the promoters promised are in place.


So talk to me about Pros using pro and not wisefool using supposed Pros.

Pls note, I'm not holding brief for Lekki Gardens. I'm just trying to advice buyers not to be hasty in making decisions. Not all that glitters are gold. Forget the Pro talk. In few days, we will see the names of those who are involved in the collapsed building project.
Even though I have a feeling, man know man, person know person approach will be adopted since most of the deaths recorded are foreigners.

The CONTRACTOR and the MD of Lekki Gardens are already in court. If anything, they will have case to answer with respect to gross negligence and professional misconduct.

EgunMogaji:

Thank you Sir, that's exactly what I was asking.
I poured over many pics and they were like that. When I asked my framing carpenter he was shocked at my level of detail.
He said they do it that way for headroom and visibility.
To the pros that share pics, to you I say thanks and they are useful.

Another example on the attached pic from a project.. You can see the plank structure is one block higher.
Look and you can see that only two blocks was added on top instead of the three blocks added in other areas.
Thanks.

Hajji M.

brabus:


Baba tezzapete,

Don't get me wrong. I'm not putting all the blame on the subscriber but I'm telling they have a part to play. And you all know my position on Lekki Gardens and its contractors.

Sorry for the loss of your grandad. That's exactly the way things run here. We believe every building with a cross sign is a Church. Any building with stethoscope sign is a hospital. Anybody with a COREN stamp is a Pro! (To the pros in the house, I mean no harm).

But here's the truth:

There are specialist hospitals who deals on special cases. My baby broke his arm sometimes in January and I took him to a family doctor (what do I know) who later me to another specialist hospital where they treat such case. It was in the midst of this that I realize the man I met is a Pediatrist and the man they referred me to is an Orthopaedist.
What didn't I do at that time? I didn't let the anxiety or tension to becloud me to think the doctor is stupid because my believe is that. Hospital is a hospital and doctors are doctors. Misdiagnosis can only happen where there's a misfit. It doesn't matter the NAME of the hospital.

No blame. Hope you get my point.

Back to Lekki Gardens, what else do subscribers during launch phase of the Horizon that is not already on ground. I'm talking about the hindsight and the information readily available.
Lekki Gardens before the launch of The Horizon had more than 5 estates where due diligence can be carried out. The YouTube videos that came up in 2015 is from models that were completed in 2013.

But here we are, no one is even mentioning why did Lekki Garden add additional floors in the building? All the presentation drawings on Lekki Gardens website showed only 4 and 5 floor models and not 6 and 7.
Why is nobody (especially the subscriber) making noise when more than 20 units of 5 floor building became 20 units of 7 floor building? Even the govt who claimed they issued contravention order, why wasn't the place sealed up immediately and possession take until developer revert to approved construction? At least, synagogue's case is still fresh in our mind. I believe the wise will pick points and others will blame whoever comes to mind. But the truth is we are our own enemy.

I'm not a subscriber of any of the Lekki Gardens project nor a contractor. Neither a victim but a concerned citizen of this country. The earlier we start to do things right, the better for us.


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If my airline with 285 capacity jet chooses to fly 350 people, I'll quickly ask for a refund.

How will you know how many people are on board?

brabus:


Oyb,

I built 2 units of detached duplex for a Nairaland in 2012 and the client insisted that they want independent consultants (structural, mechanical and electrical) to double check my work. Each of them had nothing less than 20 years of experience. This is outside the estate project managers and architect who come in at every critical stage of work to check conformity with standard.

Why did the do that? To be sure they bought piece of mind. Not to show off.

Now we are talking about mass production of multi-floor building projects in a reclaimed land. Then I'll fold my arms.

See me as your consultant in this case. Na so I go blame you.

The estate is Diamond Estate, Sangotedo which is not a reclaimed land. You can make further enquiries.

You are comparing apples with oranges. A client (Lekki Gardens) contracted you (A Contractor) to build 2 units of detached duplex for him (Lekki Gardens). The client (Lekki Gardens) now have Consultants to SUPERVISE the work that you are doing to ensure that the CONTRACTOR builds according to specification. If the client (Lekki Gardens) is selling the house to a subscriber, you can see that the subscriber is not involved. It is purely Client vs Contractor relationship. That also governs the roles, responsibilities and liabilities

The underlying principle has nothing to do with type, location or complexity of job. It is all about contractual relationships.

EgunMogaji:


How will you know how many people are on board?

When I see that the number of people standing is almost about quarter of the ones sitting. Then I'll know there's something fishy.

gabbytabby:


I know some who went to tender for a contract with them and he came away to say the money on offer was not worth it.

Good way to go. However once the CONTRACTOR agree to do the job at an agreed price to the required specification, he cannot claim that he did a poor job because the money was small. He was not forced to agree to do the job.

brabus:


I'm talking about the same truth Ocholi refused to hear.

That you bought 2015 model Lexus does not exempt from road accident if you don't do the safety checks?

Check tires.
Check that the car is not overloaded
Put on safety belt
Maintain the speed limit
Shout on the Overspeeding Professional driver
If he no wan hear, stop the journey and take over your ride.

Of course, Ocholi has the right to sue Lexus for manslaughter because he paid in full.

Brabus!


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Hmn.what a guy!

brabus:


I'm talking about the same truth Ocholi refused to hear.

That you bought 2015 model Lexus does not exempt from road accident if you don't do the safety checks?

Check tires.
Check that the car is not overloaded
Put on safety belt
Maintain the speed limit
Shout on the Overspeeding Professional driver
If he no wan hear, stop the journey and take over your ride.

Of course, Ocholi has the right to sue Lexus for manslaughter because he paid in full.

Now I understand your way of thinking. I hope other builders are not like you. All the best.

In the news

CEO And Contractor Responsible For Lekki Building Collapse Remanded Into Police Custory

A Magistrate Court in Ebute Meta, Lagos today remanded Richard Nyong and Odofin Taiwo for their role in the Lekki Gardens building collapse in Lagos which killed at least thirty-five people.

Read more here
http://saharareporters.com/2016/03/11/ceo-and-contractor-responsible-lekki-building-collapse-remanded-police-custory

http://saharareporters.com/sites/all/libraries/juicebox/full.html

brabus:


I'm talking about the same truth Ocholi refused to hear.

That you bought 2015 model Lexus does not exempt from road accident if you don't do the safety checks?

Check tires.
Check that the car is not overloaded
Put on safety belt
Maintain the speed limit
Shout on the Overspeeding Professional driver
If he no wan hear, stop the journey and take over your ride.

Of course, Ocholi has the right to sue Lexus for manslaughter because he paid in full.

And they should quickly tell him that his vehicle was

1) running wrongly mounted unidirectional tires that were installed incorrectly
2) running over inflated tires
3) equipped with all points seat belts that were not worn

abdulwastecx:


I think he is joking with that comment and I don't know why you are very angry with your comment.

I will get certified soon and that will be no big deal to me, I may not even use the title in my name.

The seal and stamp don't make the drawing, that is the mistake we always make. The proper use of mathematical principle and your engineering judgement make it.

Angry kee? Where did you see anger in my comment? Angry over what?

In fact, my comment was made in similar humour as Brabus
Whether you use it or not, is non of my business (only you know why you chose to pursue it!) ....and l knew he was joking anyway!
Is it true that "Science/Engineering-biased" people generally have a poor sense of humour...probably due to poor communication skills?

And you dont seen to understand grammatical "figure of speech" at all!
When l say "The Seal and Stamp" makes the drawing, .........it is a "figure of speech" used to emphasise the importance which authorities attach to it,... in any building drawing
For example, your drawing will never be approved, if your drawing does not have the requite "Stamp and Seal" from the Engineers and Architect.

So, without "Stamp and Seal", what you have is just a 'glorified drawing' on Paper, mathematical principle and engineering judgement not withstanding!

It's happy hour again. Thank God it's Friday!

Santa Egungun is coming to town.

@ Excuzeme, what should I order?

brabus:


When I see that the number of people standing is almost about quarter of the ones sitting. Then I'll know there's something fishy.

Haa Brabus!

Standing inside Aeroplane ke?!

You no go kill persin!

41 sitting, 99 Standing...suffering and Smiling - Abami Eda.


BTW: I have actually entered a BA flight to London at MMA and the number of passengers was more than the number of available seats! (more than one person on one seat!)

We got to know that it was the Nigerian BA staff that were doing Mago-Mago with tickets, hoping somebody will not show up.

Bad-Azz people!

Bamboo For Sale

3.2m long (first use) bamboo for sale. N80 each. Over 300 pcs available.

Interested person should call me on 08023429122.

brabus:
It's happy hour again. Thank God it's Friday!

Santa Egungun is coming to town.

@ Excuzeme, what should I order?

That particular drink that you seem to like: Don Moen or what do you call it!
Green Tea is okay for me. With Ice please

Egungun can never be a Santa. His tongue is too sharp! All the children will die of "fear".


BTW: What do you actually mean by 'Happy Hour'? Fun time? Silly Time? Anger Period? Just curious nii

TGIF all the same

brabus:
Bamboo For Sale

3.2m long (first use) bamboo for sale. N80 each. Over 300 pcs available.

Interested person should call me on 08023429122.

Chai! Ijebu man!

Dash these to somebody near you who is at that stage of building now?

do you know that its less than 25K you will get from it...with all the hassles!

Excuzeme:


Haa Brabus!

Standing inside Aeroplane ke?!

You no go kill persin!

41 sitting, 99 Standing...suffering and Smiling - Abami Eda.


BTW: I have actually entered a BA flight to London at MMA and the number of passengers was more than the number of available seats! (more than one person on one seat!)

We got to know that it was the Nigerian BA staff that were doing Mago-Mago with tickets, hoping somebody will not show up.

Bad-Azz people!

You never see lapping for airplane. I hope you won't be shocked to hear that they jumpstart some aircraft here.

Excuzeme:


That particular drink that you seem to like: Don Moen or what do you call it!
Green Tea is okay for me. With Ice please

Egungun can never be a Santa. His tongue is too sharp! All the children will die of "fear".


BTW: What do you actually mean by 'Happy Hour'? Fun time? Silly Time? Anger Period? Just curious nii

TGIF all the same

No na Don Corleone.

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Happy hour is the time to loosen up, throw jabs and learn new punch lines. Fun time, silly time...

brabus:


You never see lapping for airplane. I hope you won't be shocked to hear that they jumpstart some aircraft here.

heheheh ROFL!

brabus:




No na Don Corleone.

As long as im 'Don-something' ...

wanaj0:


You are comparing apples with oranges. A client (Lekki Gardens) contracted you (A Contractor) to build 2 units of detached duplex for him (Lekki Gardens). The client (Lekki Gardens) now have Consultants to SUPERVISE the work that you are doing to ensure that the CONTRACTOR builds according to specification. If the client (Lekki Gardens) is selling the house to a subscriber, you can see that the subscriber is not involved. It is purely Client vs Contractor relationship. That also governs the roles, responsibilities and liabilities

The underlying principle has nothing to do with type, location or complexity of job. It is all about contractual relationships.

Iam sure Brabus drives on the Lekki-Ajah road built by LCC every almost everyday and tolls. Can he tell us if he did a due diligence on it as a user of the road and if he was visiting the road during the construction period. In addition, has he also gone through all the design document of the road for him to know if they were followed.

NL1960:


Iam sure Brabus drives on the Lekki-Ajah road built by LCC every almost everyday and tolls. Can he tell us if he did a due diligence on it as a user of the road and if he was visiting the road during the construction period. In addition, has he also gone through all the design document of the road for him to know if they were followed.

Yes, I did and the few who were always present at the LCC stakeholders meetings when the road design was been discussed knew people were carried along.

Hope you're aware sir that residents kicked against the fence proposal, period of concession and the toll gates. It was in the meetings that the alternative routes were discussed. Stakeholders insist on no toll until alternative routes are built which led to the constitution of City of David road. If I can check my files, I can still come up with some documents.

Anyone who thinks I'm cooking up a story should say so.

LCC didn't work in isolation.


https://www.nairaland.com/255605/stakeholders-govt-differ-toll-collection

brabus:
It's happy hour again. Thank God it's Friday!

Santa Egungun is coming to town.

@ Excuzeme, what should I order?

Dude it's freaking 930AM, I'm not in the right frame of mind for happy hour yet

brabus:


You never see lapping for airplane. I hope you won't be shocked to hear that they jumpstart some aircraft here.

Technically, if the aircraft is jet powered then they are all jump started with an external compressor. Now if you mean push start then not possible for any aircraft.

But I know say na joke you dey joke.

All this nairaland people wey already dey happy hour, there is god o

Make una all fear god as some of us just dey start the day.

@ NL1960

At the Stakeholders Meeting, we discussed how much will be paid at the tolls. And that prompted the installation of vehicle density sensors at Law School (can't remember the year again) to count the numbers of cars that go in and out of VI.

Bros, make I go on.

@ NL1960,

There's no point saying too much here. I'll suggest you visit LCC office and ask question about the kick off of the project and how they met stiff resistance from the residents at the inception.

As for the stakeholders meeting, I was in the IT then (working on The Palms, Lekki) and we are always connected with BIG projects. So, LCC was something on mind then. Looking at what we can do together so we were at the meeting to see what's on the blueprint and things that we can do for the concessionaire. I can tell over and over again. LCC never worked in isolation and they were very transparent.

Lot of awareness were created especially on meeting days. Lots of flyers and signs were shared during the construction. And I can make bold statement that we saw the blueprint frm the inception

For those who didn't know, they'll assume they shove Lekki Toll road down our throat. No! We were carried along.

brabus:
In 2012, I wrote this piece on foundation engineering based on field experience.



And a certified pro beg to disagree with my post with this claim.



Here's what I learnt from the Journals documented by the practising pro.



Is it safe to say, our pros are not updated.


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Source: Building in Nigeria: Lessons learned by Brabus.

The 50 deep pile is the actual foundation. That defeats your argument of regarding the depth of foundation

erico2k2:

The 50 deep pile is the actual foundation. That defeats your argument of regarding the depth of foundation

Ok. So what's the actual depth sir? 3 miles or what?

It's happy hour you know.

Read more here:
http://www.aboutcivil.org/burj-khalifa-design-construction-structural-details.html

And here for the geotechnical infos:
http://www.geomarc.it/Poulos_&_Bunce_2008.pdf

wanaj0:


Good way to go. However once the CONTRACTOR agree to do the job at an agreed price to the required specification, he cannot claim that he did a poor job because the money was small. He was not forced to agryee to do the job.

In saner climes that is what obtains but in 9ja the likes of brabus and co will start to blame the client.

But then even oyinbo talk am say if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is not good and a scam. Buyer beware.

No no not just so cos if lekki knowingly buys at a ridiculous price then the concept of stolen property will be applied if that item was discovered to be stolen or damaged.

Lekki gardens can sue the contractor but remember that they also employed consulants to supervise and certifiy that building is as specified and suitable for purpose. Concept of joint and severally liable comes to play.

wanaj0:


You are comparing apples with oranges. A client (Lekki Gardens) contracted you (A Contractor) to build 2 units of detached duplex for him (Lekki Gardens). The client (Lekki Gardens) now have Consultants to SUPERVISE the work that you are doing to ensure that the CONTRACTOR builds according to specification. If the client (Lekki Gardens) is selling the house to a subscriber, you can see that the subscriber is not involved. It is purely Client vs Contractor relationship. That also governs the roles, responsibilities and liabilities

The underlying principle has nothing to do with type, location or complexity of job. It is all about contractual relationships.